Trigger Warning: Suicide & Self-Harm

If you or someone you know is in crisis, please call or text 988 (U.S.) or contact your local emergency services.

Have you been feeling down lately?

What’s been weighing on you the most?

Today, Jay sits down with Dr. Matthew Nock, Harvard psychologist and one of the world’s foremost experts on suicide prevention, to unpack one of the most urgent and misunderstood issues of our time. Together, they dismantle common myths about suicide, revealing that it’s rarely about wanting life to end, but more often about escaping overwhelming pain. Drawing on decades of groundbreaking research, Matthew explains how suicidal thoughts take shape, why they don’t always lead to action, and how depression, anxiety, impulsivity, and social disconnection can shape someone’s experience.

Jay and Matthew also look at how culture, gender, and age shape risk, uncovering why men are more likely to die by suicide, why adolescence is such a vulnerable stage, and how isolation later in life can intensify struggle. They examine the double edge of technology and AI, from the dangers of online bullying to the hopeful potential tools that can predict when someone may be most at risk. The conversation underscores the lifesaving power of open dialogue, especially between parents and children, while dispelling the myth that asking about suicide will put the idea in someone’s mind.

In this interview, you'll learn:

How to Talk About Suicide Without Fear

How to Support a Friend in Crisis

How to Spot Risk Factors in Adolescents

How to Create a Safety Plan at Home

How to Use Technology Safely for Mental Health

How to Break the Stigma Around Suicide

How to Strengthen Hope and Connection

You are not alone, and your presence in this world carries more value than you may realize. Hold on to hope, and know that even in the darkest moments, there are pathways toward light, growth, and renewal.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

03:13 Why Mental Health Conversations Are Limited

04:24 Suicide Awareness Saves Lives!

05:09 Debunking the Biggest Myths About Suicide

06:02 What the Data Really Reveals About Suicide Rates

08:40 Understanding the Stages of Suicidal Thoughts

12:06 Who Is Most at Risk for Suicide?

16:55 How Men and Women Differ in Suicide Risk

18:30 Why Adolescence Brings Higher Risk

20:02 Should We Teach Suicide Awareness in Schools?

22:19 The Promise and Perils of AI in Mental Health

26:06 Why Good Intentions Aren’t Enough

27:36 Bullying Is Still a Serious Risk

30:03 Why Parents Should Talk About Suicide with Their Children

33:57 What If Kids Don’t Want to Talk About It?

36:40 What Steps Should You Take Next?

38:52 Why Men Are More Likely to Die by Suicide 

42:06 Why Science Must Guide Suicide Prevention 

44:02 New Mothers Experience With Suicidal Thoughts 

46:01 Most Effective Therapies For Suicide Prevention

47:53 Do Suicide Survivors Regret Their Attempts?

49:23 How Mental Disorders Increase Risk 

50:07 Can We Predict When Someone Will Act on a Suicidal Thought?

52:39 Predicting Who’s at Risk And When

54:00 The Shame Around Suicidal Thoughts

55:41 Careers Linked to Higher Suicide Risk

57:50 Losing a Close Friend to Suicide

59:41 How Do You Begin to Heal After a Loss?

01:01:29 The Impact of Losing Someone to Suicide

01:02:55 You Are Never a Burden

01:04:30 How to Use Social Media Safely and Responsibly

01:06:05 Suicide Is Rarely Sudden, It Builds Over Time

01:07:48 The Future of Suicide Prevention

Episode Resources:

Matthew Nock | X

Nock Lab

Trigger Warning: Suicide &amp; Self-Harm
If you or someone you know is in crisis, please call or text 988 (U.S.) or contact your local emergency services.
Have you been feeling down lately?
What&rsquo;s been weighing on you the most?
Today, Jay sits down with Dr. Matthew Nock, Harvard psychologist and one of the world&rsquo;s foremost experts on suicide prevention, to unpack one of the most urgent and misunderstood issues of our time. Together, they dismantle common myths about suicide, revealing that it&rsquo;s rarely about wanting life to end, but more often about escaping overwhelming pain. Drawing on decades of groundbreaking research, Matthew explains how suicidal thoughts take shape, why they don&rsquo;t always lead to action, and how depression, anxiety, impulsivity, and social disconnection can shape someone&rsquo;s experience.
Jay and Matthew also look at how culture, gender, and age shape risk, uncovering why men are more likely to die by suicide, why adolescence is such a vulnerable stage, and how isolation later in life can intensify struggle. They examine the double edge of technology and AI, from the dangers of online bullying to the hopeful potential tools that can predict when someone may be most at risk. The conversation underscores the lifesaving power of open dialogue, especially between parents and children, while dispelling the myth that asking about suicide will put the idea in someone&rsquo;s mind.
In this interview, you'll learn:
How to Talk About Suicide Without Fear
How to Support a Friend in Crisis
How to Spot Risk Factors in Adolescents
How to Create a Safety Plan at Home
How to Use Technology Safely for Mental Health
How to Break the Stigma Around Suicide
How to Strengthen Hope and Connection
You are not alone, and your presence in this world carries more value than you may realize. Hold on to hope, and know that even in the darkest moments, there are pathways toward light, growth, and renewal.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
03:13 Why Mental Health Conversations Are Limited
04:24 Suicide Awareness Saves Lives!
05:09 Debunking the Biggest Myths About Suicide
06:02 What the Data Really Reveals About Suicide Rates
08:40 Understanding the Stages of Suicidal Thoughts
12:06 Who Is Most at Risk for Suicide?
16:55 How Men and Women Differ in Suicide Risk
18:30 Why Adolescence Brings Higher Risk
20:02 Should We Teach Suicide Awareness in Schools?
22:19 The Promise and Perils of AI in Mental Health
26:06 Why Good Intentions Aren&rsquo;t Enough
27:36 Bullying Is Still a Serious Risk
30:03 Why Parents Should Talk About Suicide with Their Children
33:57 What If Kids Don&rsquo;t Want to Talk About It?
36:40 What Steps Should You Take Next?
38:52 Why Men Are More Likely to Die by Suicide&nbsp;
42:06 Why Science Must Guide Suicide Prevention&nbsp;
44:02 New Mothers Experience With Suicidal Thoughts&nbsp;
46:01 Most Effective Therapies For Suicide Prevention
47:53 Do Suicide Survivors Regret Their Attempts?
49:23 How Mental Disorders Increase Risk&nbsp;
50:07 Can We Predict When Someone Will Act on a Suicidal Thought?
52:39 Predicting Who&rsquo;s at Risk And When
54:00 The Shame Around Suicidal Thoughts
55:41 Careers Linked to Higher Suicide Risk
57:50 Losing a Close Friend to Suicide
59:41 How Do You Begin to Heal After a Loss?
01:01:29 The Impact of Losing Someone to Suicide
01:02:55 You Are Never a Burden
01:04:30 How to Use Social Media Safely and Responsibly
01:06:05 Suicide Is Rarely Sudden, It Builds Over Time
01:07:48 The Future of Suicide Prevention
Episode Resources:
Matthew Nock | <a href="https://x.com/mk_nock">X</a>
<a href="https://nocklab.fas.harvard.edu/people/matthew-k-nock-phd">Nock Lab</a>

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace.

I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace.
I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

My name is Jay Shetty, and my purpose is to make wisdom go viral. I’m fortunate to have fascinating conversations with the most insightful people in the world, and on my podcast, I’m sharing those conversations with you. New episodes Mondays and Fridays. Please rate and review the podcast if you enjoy it. Live life today ON PURPOSE.

My name is Jay Shetty, and my purpose is to make wisdom go viral. I’m fortunate to have fascinating conversations with the most insightful people in the world, and on my podcast, I’m sharing those conversations with you. New episodes Mondays and Fridays. Please rate and review the podcast if you enjoy it. Live life today ON PURPOSE.

Harvard Psychologist Matthew Nock: 20% of People Experience Suicidal Thoughts! (Spot the Signs and Ask THESE Questions That Could Save a Life)

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