We know people should exercise, and yet when we tell people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they don't actually lose weight and they very rarely improve their diabetes. Why is that? The best selling author and post the number one healthy well in his.

We know people should exercise, and yet when we tell people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they don't actually lose weight and they very rarely improve their diabetes. Why is that? The best selling author and post the number one healthy well in his.

Podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that I'm really excited to dive in with because he's an expert in his field and has incredible insights, practical steps and habits that we can all implement to feel better, do better, and do good in the world. Now, I first came across him when I was using one of his products, which we'll speak about a bit later on, and so when I had the opportunity to have him on the show, it was an immediate yes because I'd been taking this product. It worked wonders for me, and that always is a good fit for someone that I want to sit down with and speak to. I'm speaking about Zach Bush, MD, a physician specializing in internal medicine and hospice care. He's an internationally recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it relates to health, disease, and food systems. Please welcome to On Purpose, Zach Bush. Zach, thank you for being here.

Podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that I'm really excited to dive in with because he's an expert in his field and has incredible insights, practical steps and habits that we can all implement to feel better, do better, and do good in the world. Now, I first came across him when I was using one of his products, which we'll speak about a bit later on, and so when I had the opportunity to have him on the show, it was an immediate yes because I'd been taking this product. It worked wonders for me, and that always is a good fit for someone that I want to sit down with and speak to. I'm speaking about Zach Bush, MD, a physician specializing in internal medicine and hospice care. He's an internationally recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it relates to health, disease, and food systems. Please welcome to On Purpose, Zach Bush. Zach, thank you for being here.

What a pleasure to be with you, Jay and the whole audience. Thank you.

What a pleasure to be with you, Jay and the whole audience. Thank you.

Yeah. I'm so grateful, honestly to talk to you today because one of the things I love doing on the show is sitting down with people who've dedicated their life to helping people feel better, do better, and do good. And I feel that a lot of your work is entirely dedicated to that. And in order for me and my audience to get to know you a bit better, I'd love to start off by asking you, you know, what was your journey from conventional medicine to internal medicine and how did you even move in that direction, because I think that today we're seeing a lot more of that. But you've been doing this for a long time, so I wonder what that transition was like.

Yeah. I'm so grateful, honestly to talk to you today because one of the things I love doing on the show is sitting down with people who've dedicated their life to helping people feel better, do better, and do good. And I feel that a lot of your work is entirely dedicated to that. And in order for me and my audience to get to know you a bit better, I'd love to start off by asking you, you know, what was your journey from conventional medicine to internal medicine and how did you even move in that direction, because I think that today we're seeing a lot more of that. But you've been doing this for a long time, so I wonder what that transition was like.

It was a step wise journey into a lot of left hand turns and pivot, I think. But the journey began in the Philippines. I took a hard left turn in my career. I was going into engineering, took a year off, and then had the opportunity to birth babies in the Philippines with a group of international midwives, and that experience of being around the birth of human life was so riveting and so engaging that the idea of returning to a program in robotics and machines just couldn't capture my imagination anymore. And so that was my interer pointing to the health career and initially thinking maybe nursing nurse practitioner, and then eventually slippery slope took me into the idea of just going down that medical doctor route, and that journey came along in an interesting point in human history where I didn't realize in the nineteen nineties, none of us knew at the time that we were about to witness the most extraordinary explosion of chronic disease in human history. We were about to see the complete collapse of the human immune system, the human neurologic system, and the debut of things like attention death is a disorder, gluten sensitivity, lime disease, chronic fatigue syndromes, chronic pain syndromes, things that had simply not existed ten years, let alone in the previous thousand years. And so it was a very interesting time to enter into this world of science and medicine at the point where we would lose it all. And now we recognize, you know, thirty years later, that we're now in the midst of the sixth extinction event, where we're losing biology at such an extraordinary rate, and we see not only cancer epidemics and autimmune epidemics and the rest, we're seeing pandemics and the results of this real disruption of neural anatomy and attention deficit to autism from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's, and this breakdown in our cell cell communication such that we would really lose our self identity in this milieu of inflammation and destruction at the cellular level, which of course is manifesting at the macro level as well. And so we see the dissolution of socio political systems and this polarization and the fear, guilt, shame paradigms amplifying as our biology collapses. So never before or so interesting a moment to step into this space, and it's been a real exciting journey into realizing that the end is near of an old paradigm and the beginning is knife for everything that we perhaps have not even yet imagined, because we are starting to realize that to be human, to be human, health is to really a description of an ecosystem rather than a single species trying to met out a survival paradigm within a complex ecosystem of life.

It was a step wise journey into a lot of left hand turns and pivot, I think. But the journey began in the Philippines. I took a hard left turn in my career. I was going into engineering, took a year off, and then had the opportunity to birth babies in the Philippines with a group of international midwives, and that experience of being around the birth of human life was so riveting and so engaging that the idea of returning to a program in robotics and machines just couldn't capture my imagination anymore. And so that was my interer pointing to the health career and initially thinking maybe nursing nurse practitioner, and then eventually slippery slope took me into the idea of just going down that medical doctor route, and that journey came along in an interesting point in human history where I didn't realize in the nineteen nineties, none of us knew at the time that we were about to witness the most extraordinary explosion of chronic disease in human history. We were about to see the complete collapse of the human immune system, the human neurologic system, and the debut of things like attention death is a disorder, gluten sensitivity, lime disease, chronic fatigue syndromes, chronic pain syndromes, things that had simply not existed ten years, let alone in the previous thousand years. And so it was a very interesting time to enter into this world of science and medicine at the point where we would lose it all. And now we recognize, you know, thirty years later, that we're now in the midst of the sixth extinction event, where we're losing biology at such an extraordinary rate, and we see not only cancer epidemics and autimmune epidemics and the rest, we're seeing pandemics and the results of this real disruption of neural anatomy and attention deficit to autism from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's, and this breakdown in our cell cell communication such that we would really lose our self identity in this milieu of inflammation and destruction at the cellular level, which of course is manifesting at the macro level as well. And so we see the dissolution of socio political systems and this polarization and the fear, guilt, shame paradigms amplifying as our biology collapses. So never before or so interesting a moment to step into this space, and it's been a real exciting journey into realizing that the end is near of an old paradigm and the beginning is knife for everything that we perhaps have not even yet imagined, because we are starting to realize that to be human, to be human, health is to really a description of an ecosystem rather than a single species trying to met out a survival paradigm within a complex ecosystem of life.

You know, one of the reasons why I've been so interested in your work is because I found myself going from being quite a healthy individual to then randomly having inflammation and having gut issues and whatever it may have been. And none of them were things I could even explain, like I was living a generally healthy diet or I was pretty active or whatever it may be. But still I'd started to see all these things, and so what started in the first place at such a global level, like what has been going on with our health, the food system and everything else it's been happening that has caused it today where I think the majority of us either are experiencing it or know someone who's experiencing it.

You know, one of the reasons why I've been so interested in your work is because I found myself going from being quite a healthy individual to then randomly having inflammation and having gut issues and whatever it may have been. And none of them were things I could even explain, like I was living a generally healthy diet or I was pretty active or whatever it may be. But still I'd started to see all these things, and so what started in the first place at such a global level, like what has been going on with our health, the food system and everything else it's been happening that has caused it today where I think the majority of us either are experiencing it or know someone who's experiencing it.

Yeah, I think I had to go into the problem before I found some of the answers to your questions there and diving deeper and deeper into the problem. I was as trained in internal medicine, which is general hospital care kind of your adult medicine, and conventional pharmaceutical model, running ICUs and the like running how was the chief resident, training residence and med students at the University of Virginia, and was finding that I wasn't finding the answer as to how do I make my patients healthier. I was chasing disease and it was getting more and more difficult. It seemed every year to actually have a positive outcome with my patients. And so I felt like I needed more training, and I did endochronology and metabolism for another three years, and that training really took me into what is the communication network of this exquisite symphony that we would call a human body. How's liver talk to the brain, How's the brain talk back to the adrenal glands. How the adrenal glands talked to those kidneys? And so that was the fascination of that hormonal network of communicator, and that drove me down deeper into the second half of that specialty, which is called metabolism. How does energy get liberated within a human cell to manifest life and the answer was just becoming obvious, was that it's actually not the human cells creating the energy. It's these tiny little microbes, these little bacteria that live inside of our cells, that was liberating energy for the human cell to thrive upon. And those little bacteria, often called mitochondria, are very susceptible to toxins. I was developing toxins to kill cancer cells and was watching those toxins damage this ecosystem within and then make it very difficult for a cell to recover on a cancer journey. And so it was a realization that this paradigm of poisoning for the effort of health was just chasing for the wind. So I'd spent seventeen years of academia becoming an expert in celluar biology, becoming an expert ultimately and this little niche of chemotherapy, realizing that at the end, oh my gosh, I'm chasing the wind. No matter how good my chemo theay he gets, it's never going to actually solve the problem that I face because actually, in human history, not a single case of cancer has ever been caused by a lack of chemotherapy. And so it was that kind of slippery slope of root cause roots solution with cause res solution to realize I'm not anywhere near the root of this thing. But my chemotherapy was in vitamin A compounds, which are nutrients obviously from food systems, and so that was a backdoor into the question of what happened to nutrition that we would suddenly have all this cancer. If nutrition can kill cancer, where did that nutrient base go? And that led us then to some pretty exciting answers. And I had to leave the university setting at that point because the research that I next wanted to do couldn't really fit into the paradigm of here's a drug, here's the disease, and I was starting to want to ask deeper questions about how does life happen, how does biology happen? So I left in twenty ten started a clinic that was based in nutrition, an idea that nutrition could be the base for reversing chronic disease and perhaps ultimately preventing it. And that was a daunting and scary moment for me because I had been trained nothing at all on nutrition, and so I was desperately looking for everything I could put my hands on, and the nutrition sciences to try to find a path forward, and I was finding that the nutrition science is really disconnected from the deeper understanding of how biology worked. We were practicing on a fifty year old beliefs about nutrition with the feud pyramid and all this, when in fact we kind of knew already at the biology level that that was a miss, but we hadn't matured that science and long winding path. It turns out that I found myself back to not recent medicine, but ancient, ancient medicine. And we find that long before Hippocrates came along to say we are what we eat kind of thing, Chinese medicine had recognized that we must realize that we are manifestation of the nutrient nutrition, the connection to nature. And maybe deeper than Chinese medicine are veda, which was a deep, deep feel that you've studied extensively with your tea company and everything else. This science of iravative dates back nine thousand years, and comparing that to like fifty years of food science that we throw at the wall right now, it's been proven over and over and over again in vast different people's groups and genetics and everything else, and so in the end, that long winding path took me back into this indigenous realization of we are of nature, We are of the earth. Each one of us is of the earth, and this is why we call ourselves earthlings, I suppose. But this human condition identifies that nature intended us into our existence and into our resilience and into our full potential. And it's in this last one hundred years where we've accelerated this march away from that nature and the convenience lifestyles and the technology boom and everything else. And this has been that pivot point of how did we lose health? We simply distanced ourselves from nature further than we'd ever been, and we did it at these fundamentals, as you point out, of the food system. And so that was my slippery slope into what's happened to the food, which took us into what happened to the soil, which has taken us into a realization of, oh my gosh, we became chemically dependent, both in our farming practices and our pharmacy of the hospital. And when we took both of those industries and said we will technologically create a new chemical that will allow us to grow food better, and be healthier. We lost our underpinnings, We lost the foundation of nutritional health on the planet and the vitality of humanity.

Yeah, I think I had to go into the problem before I found some of the answers to your questions there and diving deeper and deeper into the problem. I was as trained in internal medicine, which is general hospital care kind of your adult medicine, and conventional pharmaceutical model, running ICUs and the like running how was the chief resident, training residence and med students at the University of Virginia, and was finding that I wasn't finding the answer as to how do I make my patients healthier. I was chasing disease and it was getting more and more difficult. It seemed every year to actually have a positive outcome with my patients. And so I felt like I needed more training, and I did endochronology and metabolism for another three years, and that training really took me into what is the communication network of this exquisite symphony that we would call a human body. How's liver talk to the brain, How's the brain talk back to the adrenal glands. How the adrenal glands talked to those kidneys? And so that was the fascination of that hormonal network of communicator, and that drove me down deeper into the second half of that specialty, which is called metabolism. How does energy get liberated within a human cell to manifest life and the answer was just becoming obvious, was that it's actually not the human cells creating the energy. It's these tiny little microbes, these little bacteria that live inside of our cells, that was liberating energy for the human cell to thrive upon. And those little bacteria, often called mitochondria, are very susceptible to toxins. I was developing toxins to kill cancer cells and was watching those toxins damage this ecosystem within and then make it very difficult for a cell to recover on a cancer journey. And so it was a realization that this paradigm of poisoning for the effort of health was just chasing for the wind. So I'd spent seventeen years of academia becoming an expert in celluar biology, becoming an expert ultimately and this little niche of chemotherapy, realizing that at the end, oh my gosh, I'm chasing the wind. No matter how good my chemo theay he gets, it's never going to actually solve the problem that I face because actually, in human history, not a single case of cancer has ever been caused by a lack of chemotherapy. And so it was that kind of slippery slope of root cause roots solution with cause res solution to realize I'm not anywhere near the root of this thing. But my chemotherapy was in vitamin A compounds, which are nutrients obviously from food systems, and so that was a backdoor into the question of what happened to nutrition that we would suddenly have all this cancer. If nutrition can kill cancer, where did that nutrient base go? And that led us then to some pretty exciting answers. And I had to leave the university setting at that point because the research that I next wanted to do couldn't really fit into the paradigm of here's a drug, here's the disease, and I was starting to want to ask deeper questions about how does life happen, how does biology happen? So I left in twenty ten started a clinic that was based in nutrition, an idea that nutrition could be the base for reversing chronic disease and perhaps ultimately preventing it. And that was a daunting and scary moment for me because I had been trained nothing at all on nutrition, and so I was desperately looking for everything I could put my hands on, and the nutrition sciences to try to find a path forward, and I was finding that the nutrition science is really disconnected from the deeper understanding of how biology worked. We were practicing on a fifty year old beliefs about nutrition with the feud pyramid and all this, when in fact we kind of knew already at the biology level that that was a miss, but we hadn't matured that science and long winding path. It turns out that I found myself back to not recent medicine, but ancient, ancient medicine. And we find that long before Hippocrates came along to say we are what we eat kind of thing, Chinese medicine had recognized that we must realize that we are manifestation of the nutrient nutrition, the connection to nature. And maybe deeper than Chinese medicine are veda, which was a deep, deep feel that you've studied extensively with your tea company and everything else. This science of iravative dates back nine thousand years, and comparing that to like fifty years of food science that we throw at the wall right now, it's been proven over and over and over again in vast different people's groups and genetics and everything else, and so in the end, that long winding path took me back into this indigenous realization of we are of nature, We are of the earth. Each one of us is of the earth, and this is why we call ourselves earthlings, I suppose. But this human condition identifies that nature intended us into our existence and into our resilience and into our full potential. And it's in this last one hundred years where we've accelerated this march away from that nature and the convenience lifestyles and the technology boom and everything else. And this has been that pivot point of how did we lose health? We simply distanced ourselves from nature further than we'd ever been, and we did it at these fundamentals, as you point out, of the food system. And so that was my slippery slope into what's happened to the food, which took us into what happened to the soil, which has taken us into a realization of, oh my gosh, we became chemically dependent, both in our farming practices and our pharmacy of the hospital. And when we took both of those industries and said we will technologically create a new chemical that will allow us to grow food better, and be healthier. We lost our underpinnings, We lost the foundation of nutritional health on the planet and the vitality of humanity.

It's incredible, isn't it That it feels like such small, simple changes, but then they achieve incredible scale, right like the idea of if you could find that to be the root. But the rate at which we've all been negatively impacted by it has been colossal. I guess right now, the individuals that are listening and all of us, it's kind of we're in a challenging place because I think people want to be healthier, but they feel extremely conditioned by how they've been raised, they grew up, the kinds of foods that they've been exposed to, the types of convenience as you said that they have already. And I find that that's probably one of the hardest things, is habit change, because like you said, we've marched so far away from being at one with the environment, or being at one with the soil, or being so close to our food, and now it's being so far away that it almost feels more abnormal to go back to nature because of the conditioning that exists, and so how difficult have you found it to help people actually reconnect with that which we've forgotten, when that's actually who we were. If that makes sense.

It's incredible, isn't it That it feels like such small, simple changes, but then they achieve incredible scale, right like the idea of if you could find that to be the root. But the rate at which we've all been negatively impacted by it has been colossal. I guess right now, the individuals that are listening and all of us, it's kind of we're in a challenging place because I think people want to be healthier, but they feel extremely conditioned by how they've been raised, they grew up, the kinds of foods that they've been exposed to, the types of convenience as you said that they have already. And I find that that's probably one of the hardest things, is habit change, because like you said, we've marched so far away from being at one with the environment, or being at one with the soil, or being so close to our food, and now it's being so far away that it almost feels more abnormal to go back to nature because of the conditioning that exists, and so how difficult have you found it to help people actually reconnect with that which we've forgotten, when that's actually who we were. If that makes sense.

I think it's almost impossible when you sit down with somebody in the constructor I'm going to prove to you that you're wrong. But it's incredibly easy to get there when you start in a state of compassion. Compassion is a much different energy than empathy, and I think we've lost compassion for our belief and empathy. Empathy is that effort to bring my energy, my vibration to your vibration. Let you be the tuning fork, because you might have been just been diagnosed with a condition. If I sit down with a cancer patient, their vibration is in fear and you know, maybe guilt and shame because they're gonna leave their children behind at a young age or whatever it is. And so if I dive into empathy and try to match that vibration, we get stuck there. We get stuck in the fear, guilt, shame paradigm, and I'm suddenly steeped in fear of like, I don't think I'm equipped to help you free yourself with this disease. I think you are going to die, I think that you know, and so I have these deep fears within me around the death of my patient, and they have that deep fear of death within themselves. And so that's typically where we go as humans right now, as we're taught that this empathic state of what is the vibration of the other person across from you? Can you match that that before you're in it together, whereas compassion is a much different state of recognizing where they're at, listening to the song they're singing, but not becoming part of that symphony, and holding this other space, this other potential reality of Okay, yes this has happened, but what is the alternative to it? And I think you lose that when you slip into that fear state, when you lose your creativity. As soon as that fight or flight state kicks in on your sympathetic nervous system, the creative part of your brain shuts down. When we stimulate the adrenal glands, which is of course what we're doing to our children with adderall and all this, we stimulate with drugs those adrenal glands and they lose their creativity. So we have whole generations now that have been taught to answer multiple choice tests at the cost of their own creativity and performance is linked to their adrenaline levels. That is basically the same thing that's happening in every doctor's office in the world, as the physician is afraid that they're not going to prevent death in this patient, and the patient is afraid that they are dying. And for all that fear of an endpoint, we can't imagine life as a continuum, as a continuing energetic event that's vital and constantly regenerating itself. And so that's kind of the spiral that we were in and finding our way out of that had to deal with realize that nature has never seen an endpoint, has never seen death of an individual or species, as endpoints always new potential energy, and the beauty on this planet has continued to get more rich, more diverse, and ultimately more intelligent with every single iteration. We call it the sixth extinction that we're in because there's been five others, and yet life booms on this planet in ways that we couldn't have imagined before that last extinction. Sixty million years ago, the dinosaurs were walking around on top soil levels that were thirty feet deep. We're lucky to find three inches of good time soil on the Earth right now, thirty feet deep top soils, root systems of ferns and palms that allowed for those forms of vegetation to fuel those dinosaurs in to these massive bodies, because there was so much nutrition, so much energy available. And then the top topsoil died. An asteroid hit, It choked the top soils out, and life on Earth disappeared for a moment, and then it came back, not with dinosaurs, but with birds, mammals, humans, not with palms and ferns, but palms, ferns and flowering trees, deciduous trees, flowering plants, wild flowers, and so this has been a journey of iteration on this planet of life more rich and more intelligent at every single turn. And this needs to be embraced as a society right now, as we anticipate the death of many things, we need to get excited for what will come next. More richness, more beauty is going to happen, and that's programmed into the matrix of life. It will get better, it will get more diverse, and it will get more intelligent. And if we imagine the Earth leaping from dinosaurs to birds and mammals and humans. Where do we go from birds, mammals and humans to what? What species has this Earth already imagined and already coated for in the virom? The virom is a description of a library of genetic potential. It's all of the viruses of the planet. It's a database. Those viruses are new potential genes waiting to be expressed by whatever life happens next. Right now, in my body, there's ten to fifteen viruses coursing through my bloodstream. It's ten billion viruses in my bloodstream right now. Not the same virus, has repeated, different viruses, ten billion new genes checking in with every cell in my body. To say, is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? So as I let go of my own biology, if I let go of fear, guilt and shame, is there a possibility for me to leap forward with my own biology, with the genes that are within me right now coursing through my bloodstream. Because I'm a microcosm of extinction and rebirth. And this is where medicine has really failed us as it was a belief of scarcity rather than abundance, death rather than rebirth, fear of being that everything was against us rather than perhaps everything is for us. And this has been slippery journey for me of realizing at each turn I under estimated our potential and we are sitting here at the pinnacle of a great rebirth of humanity if we choose to go that direction.

I think it's almost impossible when you sit down with somebody in the constructor I'm going to prove to you that you're wrong. But it's incredibly easy to get there when you start in a state of compassion. Compassion is a much different energy than empathy, and I think we've lost compassion for our belief and empathy. Empathy is that effort to bring my energy, my vibration to your vibration. Let you be the tuning fork, because you might have been just been diagnosed with a condition. If I sit down with a cancer patient, their vibration is in fear and you know, maybe guilt and shame because they're gonna leave their children behind at a young age or whatever it is. And so if I dive into empathy and try to match that vibration, we get stuck there. We get stuck in the fear, guilt, shame paradigm, and I'm suddenly steeped in fear of like, I don't think I'm equipped to help you free yourself with this disease. I think you are going to die, I think that you know, and so I have these deep fears within me around the death of my patient, and they have that deep fear of death within themselves. And so that's typically where we go as humans right now, as we're taught that this empathic state of what is the vibration of the other person across from you? Can you match that that before you're in it together, whereas compassion is a much different state of recognizing where they're at, listening to the song they're singing, but not becoming part of that symphony, and holding this other space, this other potential reality of Okay, yes this has happened, but what is the alternative to it? And I think you lose that when you slip into that fear state, when you lose your creativity. As soon as that fight or flight state kicks in on your sympathetic nervous system, the creative part of your brain shuts down. When we stimulate the adrenal glands, which is of course what we're doing to our children with adderall and all this, we stimulate with drugs those adrenal glands and they lose their creativity. So we have whole generations now that have been taught to answer multiple choice tests at the cost of their own creativity and performance is linked to their adrenaline levels. That is basically the same thing that's happening in every doctor's office in the world, as the physician is afraid that they're not going to prevent death in this patient, and the patient is afraid that they are dying. And for all that fear of an endpoint, we can't imagine life as a continuum, as a continuing energetic event that's vital and constantly regenerating itself. And so that's kind of the spiral that we were in and finding our way out of that had to deal with realize that nature has never seen an endpoint, has never seen death of an individual or species, as endpoints always new potential energy, and the beauty on this planet has continued to get more rich, more diverse, and ultimately more intelligent with every single iteration. We call it the sixth extinction that we're in because there's been five others, and yet life booms on this planet in ways that we couldn't have imagined before that last extinction. Sixty million years ago, the dinosaurs were walking around on top soil levels that were thirty feet deep. We're lucky to find three inches of good time soil on the Earth right now, thirty feet deep top soils, root systems of ferns and palms that allowed for those forms of vegetation to fuel those dinosaurs in to these massive bodies, because there was so much nutrition, so much energy available. And then the top topsoil died. An asteroid hit, It choked the top soils out, and life on Earth disappeared for a moment, and then it came back, not with dinosaurs, but with birds, mammals, humans, not with palms and ferns, but palms, ferns and flowering trees, deciduous trees, flowering plants, wild flowers, and so this has been a journey of iteration on this planet of life more rich and more intelligent at every single turn. And this needs to be embraced as a society right now, as we anticipate the death of many things, we need to get excited for what will come next. More richness, more beauty is going to happen, and that's programmed into the matrix of life. It will get better, it will get more diverse, and it will get more intelligent. And if we imagine the Earth leaping from dinosaurs to birds and mammals and humans. Where do we go from birds, mammals and humans to what? What species has this Earth already imagined and already coated for in the virom? The virom is a description of a library of genetic potential. It's all of the viruses of the planet. It's a database. Those viruses are new potential genes waiting to be expressed by whatever life happens next. Right now, in my body, there's ten to fifteen viruses coursing through my bloodstream. It's ten billion viruses in my bloodstream right now. Not the same virus, has repeated, different viruses, ten billion new genes checking in with every cell in my body. To say, is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? So as I let go of my own biology, if I let go of fear, guilt and shame, is there a possibility for me to leap forward with my own biology, with the genes that are within me right now coursing through my bloodstream. Because I'm a microcosm of extinction and rebirth. And this is where medicine has really failed us as it was a belief of scarcity rather than abundance, death rather than rebirth, fear of being that everything was against us rather than perhaps everything is for us. And this has been slippery journey for me of realizing at each turn I under estimated our potential and we are sitting here at the pinnacle of a great rebirth of humanity if we choose to go that direction.

I guess if anyone's feeling that way on a personal level, where they're living in that scarcity, they're living in that fear, they're living in that insecurity of and just challenge of I don't know what to do. I don't know where to start. There's so many things that I need to sort out. With my health, there's you know, I'm worried about I keep hearing about my nervous system and the microbiome, and it just feels like overwhelming because we've been so uneducated and untrained in our bodies. Right, It's almost like we've been given these bodies since we've been born, but we're so uneducated about how to use them and what they need and what's good for them and what's bad for them. And so if someone's feeling in a state of overwhelm, Where do you suggest they begin.

I guess if anyone's feeling that way on a personal level, where they're living in that scarcity, they're living in that fear, they're living in that insecurity of and just challenge of I don't know what to do. I don't know where to start. There's so many things that I need to sort out. With my health, there's you know, I'm worried about I keep hearing about my nervous system and the microbiome, and it just feels like overwhelming because we've been so uneducated and untrained in our bodies. Right, It's almost like we've been given these bodies since we've been born, but we're so uneducated about how to use them and what they need and what's good for them and what's bad for them. And so if someone's feeling in a state of overwhelm, Where do you suggest they begin.

We've we've been working for the last fifteen years in our laboratory and in our clinics to sort out what's the simplest approach to beginning again, because I think we really are at the end of physiology. When we see two year olds with osteosarcoma, when we see fifteen year olds with psychotic major depression, and when we see a twenty year old with life threatening autommune disease. All of these conditions are saying that we need a radical revolution. And so we've been working through all of the complexity of the diseases and the root causes and everything else to find that there's really eight very basic things that start to build physiology from the ground up at the cell level and therefore at the organism level, and from the organism to the species. And those eight things really revolve around some very basic lifestyle interventions, the first of which is coming out of fear. And so we spend the first segment of this process of finding self within the context of all the anxiety that you have that you might feel like you're dying, that you feel like it's so feel like all the cards are stacked against you. How do we get out of that paradigm quickly? And that's an effort of really bringing the arrow inwards, because right now the medicine and the world at large are trying to point outside of you to say there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's a problem. So turning that arrow inward to say, where's my solution? And you and I talked about this briefly before the podcast started, of like, how did you know your journey? How did you get from North London to Los Angeles and everything in between? And you answered very beautifully. You said, I just listened to my intuition and I never tried to judge it for did it make sense or non And that's basically what's happened at our clinic is we had to go inward and ask where does this health come from? Because I wasn't trained into health. I was trained into disease management. And so as myself and my colleagues started to put that arrow inward, we found while this is really exciting, it's super simple. In the end, It's not a thousand diseases against humans, It's one health waiting to emerge. And so as you come out of the fear paradigm and that external definition of self and you become you, then your guide is your future self, your highest self, whatever is it being expressed to make you alive today with a self identity, which is pretty bizarre. It's strange that you know, you wake up every morning and you know your Jay. It's strange that I haven't woken up and at some point thought I'm j shehddy because we're really the same thing, like we're saying biology same thing. I think I'm in Los Angeles. I could have bumped into the jwave very easily and been like, I'm Jay shehtdy. And yet you keep being you, no matter how close and proximity others are around you, no matter how much food you share the same beliefs, you share, the same You keep being you. And the really trippy thing is I get to in that ic U setting, see people let go of the body and die, heart stops, brain waves come to a standstill, they leave that body, and then they suddenly reanimate. We're doing chest compressions, we're shocking on whatever's going on, or sometimes they just spontaneously come back into that body, and they traveled after that body stopped, after that heartbeat stopped, they traveled around, sometimes in the room, sometimes great distances around the planets that visit loved ones, et cetera. Sometimes off the planet into the cosmos. And at no point in that after death journey do they lose track of their self identity. And so that is a very strange thing about near death experiences that has I think has been under explored. Your identity preceded your biologic expression and will follow your biologic expression as your body. But you're you when we begin health at that point of realizing that's a permanent condition that can't be destroyed by biologic processes. That's your original math. That's the vibration you're going to follow. For me, that's the anatomy of the soul. A soul is something that has been captured by the religious world to describe the thing that will supersede your life. But on the science side, it is perhaps a great description of the energy field that allows you to organize in your mother's womb. At the beginning of your one cell that starts to divide, just like a tumor divides, and then suddenly around replication two hundred and sixty. You start to differentiate, and suddenly a cell becomes a kidney cell or anu logic cell or whatever it's going to become. And not only does it become a unique cell, it knows where to migrate to in a three dimensional map to become that organ system. And we cannot find that map in this inside the human cell or in biology. That map seems to be in the physics field, which is to say, in the electromagnetic field, which is to say, in the space between everything. Your body, as solid as it appears to me right now, is ninety nine point ninety nine nine percent vacuum space filled with an electromatic field, which is super dense that organizes the reality of tissue around it. This solid is organized by the vacuum. And so that thing, that thing that organizes jays shetty every millionth of a second to reorganize itself, because you just appear and reappear constantly, approximately every millionth of a second, and you keep being you, you keep coming back every millionth of a second, So one million times a second, I'm remanifesting in front of you with a map from that electromatic field. So perhaps that's the anatomy of the soul. Perhaps that's the thing that holds the original you, and we have set this world up for disease by convincing you you're a whole bunch of identities outside of yourself. You're a son, you're a father, you're a mother, you're an employer, you're an employee, you're a boss, this or that. It was Harely. The more altruistic those titles get, the more likely they are to diverge you from self. For me, that was the title doctor. The whole world wanted to make me feel like that was the most important thing I had accomplished, and this is what gave me value in society. And it's been a long, bumpy thirty years since getting that MD kind of in behind my name to realize it's not the thing, It's not me. I'm something bigger than that. I am something more true, true than a compilation of somebody else's curriculum and some doctor's title. And when you find that original vibration of this is me, you become very potent. We start to tune to something bigger than the biology would have you believe in, and in that you start to do something different. With your relationship to everything. And that's the a point journey that we've put together for the Journey of Intrinsic Health, which is our program that we've been helping answer that question how do you get to health? These eight steps are laid out in this eight week journey and it's about that change of relationship to your food, to actually water. Water is really backwards as to our understanding of how we hydrate and what water is. And then we also get confused about breath and our relationships to each each little respiration we take. We're confused about what it happens when we fast and what does that paucity of stress on the neurologic system look like. Confused about exercise. We do exercise backwards as well, and so it's re forming the relationship to all of these lifestyle things that you've been told are important, but when you go and do the thing that's important, you don't get healthier. And that was a big question mark for all of us in the medical field of like, we know people should exercise, and yet when we tell people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they don't actually consistently lose weight, and they very rarely improve their diabetes. Why is that we know movement is important and yet it's not working. And I think it's because of this externalization of everything. And so since you're not you, and you're this external representation of yourself, your relationship to all these things food, movement, breath, fasting, the rest are all backwards as well. And so this is the eight week journey into the obvious, but in a completely new lens of everything's going to go internal instead of externally sought after. And that's changed a lot of everything, and it's allowed me to close my physical clinic where I was seeing one patient of time and go to a coaching model where we are witnessed to the healing process rather than mandating the healing process, rather than the prescriptive process of an MD writing down eight prescriptions and saying this will make you better, realizing that can never make anybody bigger better because those prescriptions are eight externals, you know, stimuli that have absolutely nothing to do with the roof cause of their disease. And so this has been an exciting journey of reversing out of my education and into the realization that there's nothing more beautiful and potent than a human being in their own field, in their own self, in their own original math.

We've we've been working for the last fifteen years in our laboratory and in our clinics to sort out what's the simplest approach to beginning again, because I think we really are at the end of physiology. When we see two year olds with osteosarcoma, when we see fifteen year olds with psychotic major depression, and when we see a twenty year old with life threatening autommune disease. All of these conditions are saying that we need a radical revolution. And so we've been working through all of the complexity of the diseases and the root causes and everything else to find that there's really eight very basic things that start to build physiology from the ground up at the cell level and therefore at the organism level, and from the organism to the species. And those eight things really revolve around some very basic lifestyle interventions, the first of which is coming out of fear. And so we spend the first segment of this process of finding self within the context of all the anxiety that you have that you might feel like you're dying, that you feel like it's so feel like all the cards are stacked against you. How do we get out of that paradigm quickly? And that's an effort of really bringing the arrow inwards, because right now the medicine and the world at large are trying to point outside of you to say there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's a problem. So turning that arrow inward to say, where's my solution? And you and I talked about this briefly before the podcast started, of like, how did you know your journey? How did you get from North London to Los Angeles and everything in between? And you answered very beautifully. You said, I just listened to my intuition and I never tried to judge it for did it make sense or non And that's basically what's happened at our clinic is we had to go inward and ask where does this health come from? Because I wasn't trained into health. I was trained into disease management. And so as myself and my colleagues started to put that arrow inward, we found while this is really exciting, it's super simple. In the end, It's not a thousand diseases against humans, It's one health waiting to emerge. And so as you come out of the fear paradigm and that external definition of self and you become you, then your guide is your future self, your highest self, whatever is it being expressed to make you alive today with a self identity, which is pretty bizarre. It's strange that you know, you wake up every morning and you know your Jay. It's strange that I haven't woken up and at some point thought I'm j shehddy because we're really the same thing, like we're saying biology same thing. I think I'm in Los Angeles. I could have bumped into the jwave very easily and been like, I'm Jay shehtdy. And yet you keep being you, no matter how close and proximity others are around you, no matter how much food you share the same beliefs, you share, the same You keep being you. And the really trippy thing is I get to in that ic U setting, see people let go of the body and die, heart stops, brain waves come to a standstill, they leave that body, and then they suddenly reanimate. We're doing chest compressions, we're shocking on whatever's going on, or sometimes they just spontaneously come back into that body, and they traveled after that body stopped, after that heartbeat stopped, they traveled around, sometimes in the room, sometimes great distances around the planets that visit loved ones, et cetera. Sometimes off the planet into the cosmos. And at no point in that after death journey do they lose track of their self identity. And so that is a very strange thing about near death experiences that has I think has been under explored. Your identity preceded your biologic expression and will follow your biologic expression as your body. But you're you when we begin health at that point of realizing that's a permanent condition that can't be destroyed by biologic processes. That's your original math. That's the vibration you're going to follow. For me, that's the anatomy of the soul. A soul is something that has been captured by the religious world to describe the thing that will supersede your life. But on the science side, it is perhaps a great description of the energy field that allows you to organize in your mother's womb. At the beginning of your one cell that starts to divide, just like a tumor divides, and then suddenly around replication two hundred and sixty. You start to differentiate, and suddenly a cell becomes a kidney cell or anu logic cell or whatever it's going to become. And not only does it become a unique cell, it knows where to migrate to in a three dimensional map to become that organ system. And we cannot find that map in this inside the human cell or in biology. That map seems to be in the physics field, which is to say, in the electromagnetic field, which is to say, in the space between everything. Your body, as solid as it appears to me right now, is ninety nine point ninety nine nine percent vacuum space filled with an electromatic field, which is super dense that organizes the reality of tissue around it. This solid is organized by the vacuum. And so that thing, that thing that organizes jays shetty every millionth of a second to reorganize itself, because you just appear and reappear constantly, approximately every millionth of a second, and you keep being you, you keep coming back every millionth of a second, So one million times a second, I'm remanifesting in front of you with a map from that electromatic field. So perhaps that's the anatomy of the soul. Perhaps that's the thing that holds the original you, and we have set this world up for disease by convincing you you're a whole bunch of identities outside of yourself. You're a son, you're a father, you're a mother, you're an employer, you're an employee, you're a boss, this or that. It was Harely. The more altruistic those titles get, the more likely they are to diverge you from self. For me, that was the title doctor. The whole world wanted to make me feel like that was the most important thing I had accomplished, and this is what gave me value in society. And it's been a long, bumpy thirty years since getting that MD kind of in behind my name to realize it's not the thing, It's not me. I'm something bigger than that. I am something more true, true than a compilation of somebody else's curriculum and some doctor's title. And when you find that original vibration of this is me, you become very potent. We start to tune to something bigger than the biology would have you believe in, and in that you start to do something different. With your relationship to everything. And that's the a point journey that we've put together for the Journey of Intrinsic Health, which is our program that we've been helping answer that question how do you get to health? These eight steps are laid out in this eight week journey and it's about that change of relationship to your food, to actually water. Water is really backwards as to our understanding of how we hydrate and what water is. And then we also get confused about breath and our relationships to each each little respiration we take. We're confused about what it happens when we fast and what does that paucity of stress on the neurologic system look like. Confused about exercise. We do exercise backwards as well, and so it's re forming the relationship to all of these lifestyle things that you've been told are important, but when you go and do the thing that's important, you don't get healthier. And that was a big question mark for all of us in the medical field of like, we know people should exercise, and yet when we tell people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they don't actually consistently lose weight, and they very rarely improve their diabetes. Why is that we know movement is important and yet it's not working. And I think it's because of this externalization of everything. And so since you're not you, and you're this external representation of yourself, your relationship to all these things food, movement, breath, fasting, the rest are all backwards as well. And so this is the eight week journey into the obvious, but in a completely new lens of everything's going to go internal instead of externally sought after. And that's changed a lot of everything, and it's allowed me to close my physical clinic where I was seeing one patient of time and go to a coaching model where we are witnessed to the healing process rather than mandating the healing process, rather than the prescriptive process of an MD writing down eight prescriptions and saying this will make you better, realizing that can never make anybody bigger better because those prescriptions are eight externals, you know, stimuli that have absolutely nothing to do with the roof cause of their disease. And so this has been an exciting journey of reversing out of my education and into the realization that there's nothing more beautiful and potent than a human being in their own field, in their own self, in their own original math.

I'd love to dive into some of those eight if it's okay, because I think identity is such a cool one, which you just touched on beautifully there. You touched on water there. I'd love to understand a bit more about that, because I think that's kind of like not even talked about. I've barely heard. I don't know my wife's I always call my wife a water snob because she's very, very careful about the what do we drink and the what do we you know, shower with and everything else. But if you could guide us to understanding what you're sharing a new a week program around water, at least as a high level, could you guide us through that right now?

I'd love to dive into some of those eight if it's okay, because I think identity is such a cool one, which you just touched on beautifully there. You touched on water there. I'd love to understand a bit more about that, because I think that's kind of like not even talked about. I've barely heard. I don't know my wife's I always call my wife a water snob because she's very, very careful about the what do we drink and the what do we you know, shower with and everything else. But if you could guide us to understanding what you're sharing a new a week program around water, at least as a high level, could you guide us through that right now?

When we think about liquid water, we tend to think of this stuff in this glass here and tastes good to drink, It feels good to drink when it's clean, and it has this kind of refreshing quality to it for a lot of us. But my body is seventy percent water, and not a single ounce of that is in this form. The vast majority of the water within my body is actually in a crystalline structure. If you've ever seen jello eaten jello made jello, you see liquid turn into a solid. And that gel like structure with hidden yellow is the result of complex crystal structures of the water organizing itself around proteins. And that's how I hold water. And it turns out that my biologic age and my likelihood of disease correlates perfectly with how much crystal water do I hold. That crystal water is holding something within it, and it's light. In a very amazing bio logic phenomenon, this planet is able to capture solar energy in chlorophyll, which are tiny little mitochondria that live inside of plants, a little bacteria, and these chlorophyll have been able to take CO two and turn it into batteries, and the battery is a long chain of carbon double carbon bond is the most efficient battery ever invented by nature that takes no energy to maintain the light within that. So sunlight is captured between two CO two molecules and then eight and then twelve, and these long carbon chains, and then we digest those by consuming food, and we liberate glucose sugars carbohydrates, fatty acids, and the oils in our foods, and we package that up in our liver and send it out to every cell in the body. And it turns out that human cells don't know how to use any of that glucose for fatty acids. There's no mechanism for releasing the sunlight, so it has to pass it down to the mitochondria living inside our cells. So it's basically the mitochondria in plants communicating potential energy to the mitochondria within us. Those mitochondria start breaking apart the CO two and start releasing sunlight back into the side of their matrix, and that's what's being held within the crystal structure of water. And it turns out that when I drink water like this, I'm doing very little to support the crystalline structure within my cells. For this to turn into a crystal, it takes a complex relationship to a vast array of salts, mineral amino acid complexes, and protein structures. And that's where we kind of lost the hydration story. If I drink this water's going to feel good. It's going to feel like I'm hydrating myself for a few minutes. But I'm going to pee this out in the next forty five minutes. It'll if I haven't emptied my bladder, it will be citty in my bladder. It's no longer in my body. It's outside of my body again. Because this pure water has no reservoir in my body. It has to pass quickly through my bloodstream back to the kidneys and get out to my urine. And so the journey into health is really a rediscovery of how do you get water into the crystal stage. And it's a complex journey in some ways, but it is an exciting premise to begin with. Is I need to be more full of light? How do I become more full of light so that I'm more vital, so I can repair at a faster rate than ever before. Because there's more poisons in my environment than any other time in human history, I need more crystalline structure. And so we reevaluate water at that journey from your gut into the crystal form inside your cells, where it turns into that gel battery storage place for that light liberation from the sunlight, for the animation of life to happen. And so that's a little bit of a nutshell of a lot more content that can be drilled into. But that's a little bit of that flip on the head of water.

When we think about liquid water, we tend to think of this stuff in this glass here and tastes good to drink, It feels good to drink when it's clean, and it has this kind of refreshing quality to it for a lot of us. But my body is seventy percent water, and not a single ounce of that is in this form. The vast majority of the water within my body is actually in a crystalline structure. If you've ever seen jello eaten jello made jello, you see liquid turn into a solid. And that gel like structure with hidden yellow is the result of complex crystal structures of the water organizing itself around proteins. And that's how I hold water. And it turns out that my biologic age and my likelihood of disease correlates perfectly with how much crystal water do I hold. That crystal water is holding something within it, and it's light. In a very amazing bio logic phenomenon, this planet is able to capture solar energy in chlorophyll, which are tiny little mitochondria that live inside of plants, a little bacteria, and these chlorophyll have been able to take CO two and turn it into batteries, and the battery is a long chain of carbon double carbon bond is the most efficient battery ever invented by nature that takes no energy to maintain the light within that. So sunlight is captured between two CO two molecules and then eight and then twelve, and these long carbon chains, and then we digest those by consuming food, and we liberate glucose sugars carbohydrates, fatty acids, and the oils in our foods, and we package that up in our liver and send it out to every cell in the body. And it turns out that human cells don't know how to use any of that glucose for fatty acids. There's no mechanism for releasing the sunlight, so it has to pass it down to the mitochondria living inside our cells. So it's basically the mitochondria in plants communicating potential energy to the mitochondria within us. Those mitochondria start breaking apart the CO two and start releasing sunlight back into the side of their matrix, and that's what's being held within the crystal structure of water. And it turns out that when I drink water like this, I'm doing very little to support the crystalline structure within my cells. For this to turn into a crystal, it takes a complex relationship to a vast array of salts, mineral amino acid complexes, and protein structures. And that's where we kind of lost the hydration story. If I drink this water's going to feel good. It's going to feel like I'm hydrating myself for a few minutes. But I'm going to pee this out in the next forty five minutes. It'll if I haven't emptied my bladder, it will be citty in my bladder. It's no longer in my body. It's outside of my body again. Because this pure water has no reservoir in my body. It has to pass quickly through my bloodstream back to the kidneys and get out to my urine. And so the journey into health is really a rediscovery of how do you get water into the crystal stage. And it's a complex journey in some ways, but it is an exciting premise to begin with. Is I need to be more full of light? How do I become more full of light so that I'm more vital, so I can repair at a faster rate than ever before. Because there's more poisons in my environment than any other time in human history, I need more crystalline structure. And so we reevaluate water at that journey from your gut into the crystal form inside your cells, where it turns into that gel battery storage place for that light liberation from the sunlight, for the animation of life to happen. And so that's a little bit of a nutshell of a lot more content that can be drilled into. But that's a little bit of that flip on the head of water.

Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and you said you can actually test you can actually see your age through the quality of that crystalline structure. You can test for that. How do you test for that?

Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and you said you can actually test you can actually see your age through the quality of that crystalline structure. You can test for that. How do you test for that?

The easiest way to test for is a relatively old technology. It's called a phase angle calculation. But you use an impedance monitor, which is a description of just measurement of resistance. And it looks like ekg leads. If you've ever seen an ekge twelve leads around the heart and all that stuff. They're sticky little paths. You'll put one on the wrists, one on the forefinger, one on the ankle, one on the toe, and then you lay perfectly flat and you measure across that column of water that's now at an equal lateral level to the Earth and to gravity. You measure the amount of electrical resistance across that column, and from that you can calculate, based on body weight and your height and all this stuff, how much water is inside every cell. And when you calculate that, then you get a very good biologic age and biological estimate of your vitality. An ideal phase angle is up around ten twelve. I've never seen anybody at ten or twelve. The healthiest patients walking my clinic are typically around a seven or an eight on their phase angle. Anybody coming in with disease, let's go with cancer for the endpoint. There is typically around a four. Death happens at three point five. And so what I just told you is ideal health is ten, death is three point five, and cancer shows up at four. And here we're telling everybody they're dying of cancer. As it turns out, when you look at the simple reality of water inside a cell, cancer is one of the last symptoms of a complete disconnect from the energetics of life. Cancer happens when you no longer are connected to the energy of that plant, of that chlorophyll, of that sunlight that charged life in the first place. And so that's where we go with this eight week journey is where did it break down? How did you go from ten to three? How did you get from ten to four? Whatever it is? And then how do we start to back you up that track of crystaline water? How do we get your body to hold more light energy? So that you're more vital, so that you accelerate every enzyme process, detoxification, repair, regeneration, protein structures throughout all matrices. All of that happens automatically when the light goes up. You mentioned a product earlier, the gut supplement you probably got put on by your nutritionus. But the journey into that phenomenon was our understanding of soil and food And how did it break down so quickly was the question we were trying to answer. How did we go from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and two that ten years saw the complete dissolution of human health across all ages, across all organ systems in a ten year period, across all peoples. Really that we're touching Western civilization, Western food systems. And in that journey we discovered glyphisate, and glyphasate is the primary herbicide or weed killer in the vast majority ninety plus percent of the weed killers on the planet. We now spend billions of dollars a year spraying this thing into our environment. We have an estimated four billion pounds of glyfe staate being sprayed into our soil and water systems worldwide. And it turns out as our laboratory has been studying this compound for a decade now. Every time you touch human cell systems with glyfe state the communication between them, it disconnects you from the boundary of being human, and it dissolves that to the point where you don't know where your begin or end of human biology, and your immune sism has to turn on to fight everything. So you were eating pretty healthy, you were exercising, you were living a pretty affluent lifestyle compared to the rest of the world, perhaps, and yet you weren't thriving because there was a chemical now in your food that was dissolving the boundary event and your energy was now leaking out of your body. Quite literally. We've popularized the term leaky gut, but it's much deeper than that. That that's happening at the individual cell level. That's leaking the light, leaking water outside of itself. And if you can't hold that crystalline water, you can't hold the vitality, the energetics of the plants you're eating, of the nutrition you're eating, and so you start to fade with your energy levels, and with less energy, you repair less well, and you start into this chronic disease that happened between nineteen ninety two and two thousand and two, chrontic fittigue, centers, chronic pain, everything mentioned. And so that was your personal journey. And then you got put on a supplement. What is that supplement? It's not actually a traditional supplement. Most supplements are like pieces of the nutrition cascade of a vitamin or a mineral or protein or whatever it is. This is way way upstream of that. This is not a nutrient. This is in fact the small carbon molecules that form a redoc singling system, which is a fancy word for a wireless communication network between your cells. There's two ways cells communicate. One is through hard fiber optic cables they can pass light energy back and forth for communication. And the other one is through this more ethereal wireless communication similar to your cell phone. Your cell phone sits there all the time with a complex transmitter in there. A transceiver really can receive and transmit tiny little signals, but it has to be picked up by a cell phone tier that will propagate that information at distance. So I can talk to my grandmother. For me to talk three thousand miles away, I need lots and lots of connections between all those cell towers to cascade through to carry that message. If you lose one cell tower nearby, your cell phone selling doesn't work. Nothing broke in the cell phone is an important, real reality. It just can't reach the bigger system. And so the disease of today is not actually a disease of a single cell. It's a failure of that wireless communication network. And so when a single cell gets injured, now it can't send out the signal of hey, I'm injured, I need repair, and it sits there and accumulates injury. And without accumulation of injury, we reach cancer. Cancer is a single human cell that has twenty thousand unrepaired genetic injuries in it. And so this journey towards cancer is not only a loss of electric light and light potential. It's a loss of communication and the loss of that regenerative potential. And so we now have a whole society of humans, eight billion of us that are losing our light. We are dimming, and we are losing our cell cell communication. The cell phone towers are going down and we cannot repair. But nature always prepares for the worst, and the antidote it turns out to the death of communication, which is happening at the human level is actually the microbiome, which is a term that's now thrown around a lot, and I think we all have a vague understanding. I think that's like bacteria or something, but really what it's describing as complex ecosystem. It's thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not millions, of different species of bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and human cells alike, all getting into this coherent communication network. And so the microbiome is a description of a complex landscape of biodiversity. And each of those microbes, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and the like are making another variant to these small carbon snowflakes. And when those carbon snowflakes go into a liquid state, into the aqueous state of your bloodstream, or into that semi aquis state of the gael within your cells, they're able to transmit information long distances. And so we started extracting these from fossil soils before the last extinction sixty million years ago. Again, thirty foot top soil levels the healthiest microbiome the planet has ever seen. And so we back into the fossil layer of soil and start extracting that communication network. And the first time we put this on human cells was twenty twelve, and I got to see in my lab, which was rudimentary at the time, some of the most ridiculous things happened in a petri dish that I just didn't even believe possible. And it was a journey from stop asking questions about the cancer cells. We were talking and asking questions and studying too healthy biology. Is are we witnessing health in a petri dish? Is that's what's really happening because so many things we're fixing and repairing at such a rate I've never imagined before. And so it's been a very exciting journey to realize that the Earth has coded into her deep fossil soils a communication network that can help us out of our crisis, that can help us beyond this isolation of the single human cell, and ultimately the isolation of a single human species, back into an interpretive dance with life itself. This vast biology within us and around us as ready to re engage. We just need those cell phone towers up and running, but in our bodies, and that's what happened to you when you started ion.

The easiest way to test for is a relatively old technology. It's called a phase angle calculation. But you use an impedance monitor, which is a description of just measurement of resistance. And it looks like ekg leads. If you've ever seen an ekge twelve leads around the heart and all that stuff. They're sticky little paths. You'll put one on the wrists, one on the forefinger, one on the ankle, one on the toe, and then you lay perfectly flat and you measure across that column of water that's now at an equal lateral level to the Earth and to gravity. You measure the amount of electrical resistance across that column, and from that you can calculate, based on body weight and your height and all this stuff, how much water is inside every cell. And when you calculate that, then you get a very good biologic age and biological estimate of your vitality. An ideal phase angle is up around ten twelve. I've never seen anybody at ten or twelve. The healthiest patients walking my clinic are typically around a seven or an eight on their phase angle. Anybody coming in with disease, let's go with cancer for the endpoint. There is typically around a four. Death happens at three point five. And so what I just told you is ideal health is ten, death is three point five, and cancer shows up at four. And here we're telling everybody they're dying of cancer. As it turns out, when you look at the simple reality of water inside a cell, cancer is one of the last symptoms of a complete disconnect from the energetics of life. Cancer happens when you no longer are connected to the energy of that plant, of that chlorophyll, of that sunlight that charged life in the first place. And so that's where we go with this eight week journey is where did it break down? How did you go from ten to three? How did you get from ten to four? Whatever it is? And then how do we start to back you up that track of crystaline water? How do we get your body to hold more light energy? So that you're more vital, so that you accelerate every enzyme process, detoxification, repair, regeneration, protein structures throughout all matrices. All of that happens automatically when the light goes up. You mentioned a product earlier, the gut supplement you probably got put on by your nutritionus. But the journey into that phenomenon was our understanding of soil and food And how did it break down so quickly was the question we were trying to answer. How did we go from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and two that ten years saw the complete dissolution of human health across all ages, across all organ systems in a ten year period, across all peoples. Really that we're touching Western civilization, Western food systems. And in that journey we discovered glyphisate, and glyphasate is the primary herbicide or weed killer in the vast majority ninety plus percent of the weed killers on the planet. We now spend billions of dollars a year spraying this thing into our environment. We have an estimated four billion pounds of glyfe staate being sprayed into our soil and water systems worldwide. And it turns out as our laboratory has been studying this compound for a decade now. Every time you touch human cell systems with glyfe state the communication between them, it disconnects you from the boundary of being human, and it dissolves that to the point where you don't know where your begin or end of human biology, and your immune sism has to turn on to fight everything. So you were eating pretty healthy, you were exercising, you were living a pretty affluent lifestyle compared to the rest of the world, perhaps, and yet you weren't thriving because there was a chemical now in your food that was dissolving the boundary event and your energy was now leaking out of your body. Quite literally. We've popularized the term leaky gut, but it's much deeper than that. That that's happening at the individual cell level. That's leaking the light, leaking water outside of itself. And if you can't hold that crystalline water, you can't hold the vitality, the energetics of the plants you're eating, of the nutrition you're eating, and so you start to fade with your energy levels, and with less energy, you repair less well, and you start into this chronic disease that happened between nineteen ninety two and two thousand and two, chrontic fittigue, centers, chronic pain, everything mentioned. And so that was your personal journey. And then you got put on a supplement. What is that supplement? It's not actually a traditional supplement. Most supplements are like pieces of the nutrition cascade of a vitamin or a mineral or protein or whatever it is. This is way way upstream of that. This is not a nutrient. This is in fact the small carbon molecules that form a redoc singling system, which is a fancy word for a wireless communication network between your cells. There's two ways cells communicate. One is through hard fiber optic cables they can pass light energy back and forth for communication. And the other one is through this more ethereal wireless communication similar to your cell phone. Your cell phone sits there all the time with a complex transmitter in there. A transceiver really can receive and transmit tiny little signals, but it has to be picked up by a cell phone tier that will propagate that information at distance. So I can talk to my grandmother. For me to talk three thousand miles away, I need lots and lots of connections between all those cell towers to cascade through to carry that message. If you lose one cell tower nearby, your cell phone selling doesn't work. Nothing broke in the cell phone is an important, real reality. It just can't reach the bigger system. And so the disease of today is not actually a disease of a single cell. It's a failure of that wireless communication network. And so when a single cell gets injured, now it can't send out the signal of hey, I'm injured, I need repair, and it sits there and accumulates injury. And without accumulation of injury, we reach cancer. Cancer is a single human cell that has twenty thousand unrepaired genetic injuries in it. And so this journey towards cancer is not only a loss of electric light and light potential. It's a loss of communication and the loss of that regenerative potential. And so we now have a whole society of humans, eight billion of us that are losing our light. We are dimming, and we are losing our cell cell communication. The cell phone towers are going down and we cannot repair. But nature always prepares for the worst, and the antidote it turns out to the death of communication, which is happening at the human level is actually the microbiome, which is a term that's now thrown around a lot, and I think we all have a vague understanding. I think that's like bacteria or something, but really what it's describing as complex ecosystem. It's thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not millions, of different species of bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and human cells alike, all getting into this coherent communication network. And so the microbiome is a description of a complex landscape of biodiversity. And each of those microbes, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and the like are making another variant to these small carbon snowflakes. And when those carbon snowflakes go into a liquid state, into the aqueous state of your bloodstream, or into that semi aquis state of the gael within your cells, they're able to transmit information long distances. And so we started extracting these from fossil soils before the last extinction sixty million years ago. Again, thirty foot top soil levels the healthiest microbiome the planet has ever seen. And so we back into the fossil layer of soil and start extracting that communication network. And the first time we put this on human cells was twenty twelve, and I got to see in my lab, which was rudimentary at the time, some of the most ridiculous things happened in a petri dish that I just didn't even believe possible. And it was a journey from stop asking questions about the cancer cells. We were talking and asking questions and studying too healthy biology. Is are we witnessing health in a petri dish? Is that's what's really happening because so many things we're fixing and repairing at such a rate I've never imagined before. And so it's been a very exciting journey to realize that the Earth has coded into her deep fossil soils a communication network that can help us out of our crisis, that can help us beyond this isolation of the single human cell, and ultimately the isolation of a single human species, back into an interpretive dance with life itself. This vast biology within us and around us as ready to re engage. We just need those cell phone towers up and running, but in our bodies, and that's what happened to you when you started ion.

Yeah, no, thank you for explaining that. It's incredible how little we know. I mean, when I'm listening to you, I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, we we just don't know enough, and individually and collectively as well. But one of the things you talked about water. We talked about a bit about microbiom which I want to get back into, but a big area that you're focusing on is soil regeneration. I think that's been something that's been more recently talked about as opposed to something that we've thrown around as you were saying about the microbiome. But talk us through that very key element of the environment, and again, if you can give us that sort of synopsis version as you did with water, for us to just understand the value of that, because I want people to go and follow you and figure out through your work the depths of everything we're discussing today. But I think think at least for the benefit of this conversation, if people could get a sense of just the breadth of areas that we may know. Me considering a negatively impacting my health, just as you said, I had no idea when I was taking eye on what was really going on behind the scenes.

Yeah, no, thank you for explaining that. It's incredible how little we know. I mean, when I'm listening to you, I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, we we just don't know enough, and individually and collectively as well. But one of the things you talked about water. We talked about a bit about microbiom which I want to get back into, but a big area that you're focusing on is soil regeneration. I think that's been something that's been more recently talked about as opposed to something that we've thrown around as you were saying about the microbiome. But talk us through that very key element of the environment, and again, if you can give us that sort of synopsis version as you did with water, for us to just understand the value of that, because I want people to go and follow you and figure out through your work the depths of everything we're discussing today. But I think think at least for the benefit of this conversation, if people could get a sense of just the breadth of areas that we may know. Me considering a negatively impacting my health, just as you said, I had no idea when I was taking eye on what was really going on behind the scenes.

I want to step in that first point for you too. You made the statement that we don't know enough, and that's how I felt most of my life as a doctor. That's what led to seventeen years of higher education and chasing that proverbial knowledge that i'd feel less afraid. I feel like my whole world has just flipped on its head in the last fifteen years to the point where I now realize I know everything, but I don't know it up in my head. I have access to information throughout the cosmos through something deeper than my mind. And that's again where you are acting from in your career, and not just in your career, with your interaction with humans in general. Your recent book on human relationships, not just the relationship to human cells, to human beings. How do we start to relate differently than we have in the past, And that journey, I think is really exciting to realize we actually know everything if we listen inside. And this is the experience I'm sure you had in those few years living as a monk and everything else. When you spend more time in silence than you do talking, you find you know so much and it's not something up in your head. It's not an intelligence, it's a connection. The real truth within you will be remembered rather than discovered, and so that is an exciting journey into Let's take a deep breath and realize nobody knows about crystal water, or nobody knows about all this stuff, and that doesn't matter, because ultimately it shows the layers that I can show you in our laboratory will give you a glimpse of beauty that you may not have been realizing it. But how you get to that beauty is something you all innately know. Your relationship to your water, to your food, and ultimately to your soil and ultimately to your planet is something that precedes human intellect, human consciousness. And so we are now in a state of being where we can actually realize, Okay, if everything existed, our capacity to become human existed before the moment we were human, what does that mean for our connection to the future. It's already here, It's already connected. It's already manifesting through the genome of the viruses, through the genetic potential of the planet itself. It's already here. So not only do I know myself right now, I have access to information of the future because it's already coded for in biology that hasn't quite yet appeared, but the information is already there. In the same way I can remember the past because it's coded for in my genes, that all the trauma, all the remembrance, is all the experience of my ancestors. It coded for in my genetic code. It's not in my head, it's within every single cell of my body resonating in a crystalline structure that we would call the fourth phase of water. And we resonate in that liquid crystal state to no self and then to express self within that mature so deep breath for all of us right now this part of the podcast of like, you know what we're connected to all of it. We don't need to know it in our heads because we already have access to it.