Do you ever feel like you're having the same fight over and over again?

Why is it so hard to be in a relationship with someone who is different from you?

Today, Jay sits down with Dr. Orna Guralnik — the world-renowned clinical psychologist, psychoanalyst, and lead therapist on the hit series Couples Therapy. Known for helping couples navigate the complexities of intimacy, conflict, and emotional patterns, Orna shares the real reason relationships break down — and what it actually takes to build something that lasts.

Jay and Orna explore why couples often blame communication as the root of all their problems, when what’s really breaking them down runs much deeper. They explore how differences in values, backgrounds, and even childhood wounds create invisible barriers in love—and how we often try to solve them by changing the other person instead of turning inward. Orna shares how blame, defensiveness, and scorekeeping keep us stuck in toxic patterns, and what it looks like to show up with more honesty, humility, and curiosity.

Together Jay and Orna unpack the rise of therapy language online—terms like “gaslighting” and “narcissist”—and how misusing them can shut down the kind of open dialogue relationships truly need. They also explore how issues around money, time, and intimacy often point to deeper struggles with power, identity, and emotional safety.

In this interview, you’ll learn:

How to Stop Trying to “Fix” Your Partner

How to Recognize the Real Issue Beneath the Argument

How to Make Conflict a Source of Connection

How to Move from Blame to Responsibility

How to Stay Grounded When Your Values Clash

How to Build a Relationship That Grows with You

Real love doesn’t ask us to become someone else — it asks us to grow into our most honest, grounded self. This episode is a reminder that healthy relationships aren’t about avoiding differences, but about learning how to navigate them with compassion.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

01:06 Why Couples Really Fight: The Common Core Conflicts  

04:02 Facing “Otherness”: What Happens When Your Partner Is Different  

06:07 Embracing Differences Without Losing Yourself  

10:21 Building a Partnership of Equals During Conflict  

16:48 Holding On to Your Value in a Relationship  

19:39 Conflicting Loyalties: When Family and Love Collide  

25:18 The Art of Working Through Relationship Struggles  

30:01 Digging Deeper: Finding the Root of Your Disagreements  

33:26 Escaping the Blame Trap in Your Relationship  

37:24 Self-Centeredness vs. Shared Growth  

43:07 Creating Emotional Safety for Your Partner  

49:57 Letting Love In: Are You Truly Ready for Partnership?  

55:33 How Men and Women Tend to Navigate Relationships Differently  

57:02 Why It’s So Hard for Men to Open Up Emotionally  

01:00:59 Listen Closely—People Reveal More Than You Think  

01:03:20 When Parental Baggage Shapes Your Relationship  

01:06:57 Signs of a Strong and Healthy Relationship  

01:13:35 What Really Makes Someone a Bad Partner?  

01:18:35 Are You in Love with a Narcissist?  

01:22:12 The Money Struggles Behind Relationship Conflict  

01:28:46 Intimacy and Desire: What Keeps Love Alive 

01:33:25 Orna on Final Five 

Episode Resources:

Orna Guralnik | Website

Orna Guralnik | Linkedin

Orna Guralnik | Instagram

Orna Guralnik | Tiktok

Do you ever feel like you're having the same fight over and over again?
Why is it so hard to be in a relationship with someone who is different from you?
Today, Jay sits down with Dr. Orna Guralnik &mdash; the world-renowned clinical psychologist, psychoanalyst, and lead therapist on the hit series Couples Therapy. Known for helping couples navigate the complexities of intimacy, conflict, and emotional patterns, Orna shares the real reason relationships break down &mdash; and what it actually takes to build something that lasts.
Jay and Orna explore why couples often blame communication as the root of all their problems, when what&rsquo;s really breaking them down runs much deeper. They explore how differences in values, backgrounds, and even childhood wounds create invisible barriers in love&mdash;and how we often try to solve them by changing the other person instead of turning inward. Orna shares how blame, defensiveness, and scorekeeping keep us stuck in toxic patterns, and what it looks like to show up with more honesty, humility, and curiosity.
Together Jay and Orna unpack the rise of therapy language online&mdash;terms like &ldquo;gaslighting&rdquo; and &ldquo;narcissist&rdquo;&mdash;and how misusing them can shut down the kind of open dialogue relationships truly need. They also explore how issues around money, time, and intimacy often point to deeper struggles with power, identity, and emotional safety.
In this interview, you&rsquo;ll learn:
How to Stop Trying to &ldquo;Fix&rdquo; Your Partner
How to Recognize the Real Issue Beneath the Argument
How to Make Conflict a Source of Connection
How to Move from Blame to Responsibility
How to Stay Grounded When Your Values Clash
How to Build a Relationship That Grows with You
Real love doesn&rsquo;t ask us to become someone else &mdash; it asks us to grow into our most honest, grounded self. This episode is a reminder that healthy relationships aren&rsquo;t about avoiding differences, but about learning how to navigate them with compassion.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
01:06 Why Couples Really Fight: The Common Core Conflicts&nbsp;&nbsp;
04:02 Facing &ldquo;Otherness&rdquo;: What Happens When Your Partner Is Different&nbsp;&nbsp;
06:07 Embracing Differences Without Losing Yourself&nbsp;&nbsp;
10:21 Building a Partnership of Equals During Conflict&nbsp;&nbsp;
16:48 Holding On to Your Value in a Relationship&nbsp;&nbsp;
19:39 Conflicting Loyalties: When Family and Love Collide&nbsp;&nbsp;
25:18 The Art of Working Through Relationship Struggles&nbsp;&nbsp;
30:01 Digging Deeper: Finding the Root of Your Disagreements&nbsp;&nbsp;
33:26 Escaping the Blame Trap in Your Relationship&nbsp;&nbsp;
37:24 Self-Centeredness vs. Shared Growth&nbsp;&nbsp;
43:07 Creating Emotional Safety for Your Partner&nbsp;&nbsp;
49:57 Letting Love In: Are You Truly Ready for Partnership?&nbsp;&nbsp;
55:33 How Men and Women Tend to Navigate Relationships Differently&nbsp;&nbsp;
57:02 Why It&rsquo;s So Hard for Men to Open Up Emotionally&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:00:59 Listen Closely&mdash;People Reveal More Than You Think&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:03:20 When Parental Baggage Shapes Your Relationship&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:06:57 Signs of a Strong and Healthy Relationship&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:13:35 What Really Makes Someone a Bad Partner?&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:18:35 Are You in Love with a Narcissist?&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:22:12 The Money Struggles Behind Relationship Conflict&nbsp;&nbsp;
01:28:46 Intimacy and Desire: What Keeps Love Alive&nbsp;
01:33:25 Orna on Final Five&nbsp;
Episode Resources:
Orna Guralnik | <a href="https://www.ornaguralnik.com/about">Website</a>
Orna Guralnik | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/orna-guralnik">Linkedin</a>
Orna Guralnik | <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ornaguralnik">Instagram</a>
Orna Guralnik | <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.ornaguralnik">Tiktok</a>

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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace.
I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

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My name is Jay Shetty, and my purpose is to make wisdom go viral. I’m fortunate to have fascinating conversations with the most insightful people in the world, and on my podcast, I’m sharing those conversations with you. New episodes Mondays and Fridays. Please rate and review the podcast if you enjoy it. Live life today ON PURPOSE.

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