This is a special TWO part episode! 

You love On Purpose because it inspires your life. Have you tried Jay’s Genius workshops and meditations to access even deeper well-being? Learn more at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius 

Adam is a world-renowned psychologist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. So you’d think he understands his mind enough to get things right the first time, right? Think again. 

This week, Jay Shetty speaks with Adam Grant about his new book Think Again and the importance of being open to rethinking what you once thought you knew. 

This is a special TWO part episode! 
You love On Purpose because it inspires your life. Have you tried Jay’s Genius workshops and meditations to access even deeper well-being? Learn more at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius 
Adam is a world-renowned psychologist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. So you’d think he understands his mind enough to get things right the first time, right? Think again. 
This week, Jay Shetty speaks with Adam Grant about his new book Think Again and the importance of being open to rethinking what you once thought you knew.

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace.

I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace.
I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

My name is Jay Shetty, and my purpose is to make wisdom go viral. I’m fortunate to have fascinating conversations with the most insightful people in the world, and on my podcast, I’m sharing those conversations with you. New episodes Mondays and Fridays. Please rate and review the podcast if you enjoy it. Live life today ON PURPOSE.

My name is Jay Shetty, and my purpose is to make wisdom go viral. I’m fortunate to have fascinating conversations with the most insightful people in the world, and on my podcast, I’m sharing those conversations with you. New episodes Mondays and Fridays. Please rate and review the podcast if you enjoy it. Live life today ON PURPOSE.

This is a special TWO part episode! 

You love On Purpose because it inspires your life. Have you tried Jay’s Genius workshops and meditations to access even deeper well-being? Learn more at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius 

Adam is a world-renowned psychologist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. So you’d think he understands his mind enough to get things right the first time, right? Think again. 

This week, Jay Shetty speaks with Adam Grant about his new book Think Again and the importance of being open to rethinking what you once thought you knew.

Adam Grant ON: How to Rethink Your Assumptions & Become More Effective at Communicating with Others

For decades, we’ve been told that success and spirituality live in separate worlds. One is about achievement, the other about inner peace. In this conversation, John Mackey shares why he believes the two are deeply connected. Reflecting on the journey of building Whole Foods Market, he explores how purpose, intuition, gratitude, and conscious leadership shaped both his business and his life. From navigating near-failure and selling the company to Amazon, to redefining success beyond money and status, this episode is a powerful invitation to lead with more awareness, build with more heart, and create a life that feels as meaningful on the inside as it looks on the outside.

In this episode you'll learn:

How to Build a Business With Purpose

How to Turn Setbacks Into Growth

How to Find Joy in Your Work

How to Turn Envy Into Learning

How to Create a Culture People Never Want to Leave

How to Make Difficult Decisions With Compassion

How to Stay Connected to What Matters Most

There will be setbacks, doubts, and moments when things don’t go according to plan, but those moments don’t define your journey. What matters is continuing to move forward with purpose, staying connected to what brings you joy, and remembering that success means little if it costs you who you are.

John’s book, The Whole Story: Adventures in Love, Life, and Capitalism, talks about why Whole Foods isn’t just a business success story, it’s the story of a retail, cultural, and dietary revolution that has forever changed the industry and the way we eat. Grab a copy here: https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Story-Adventures-Love-Capitalism/dp/1637745125 

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX

Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe  

Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast 

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

02:37 Answering the Call to Adventure

05:53 The Search for Meaning and Consciousness

09:42 A Spiritual Awakening Through Psychedelics

13:40 Exploring the Inner Universe

17:45 Envy Steals Joy

19:49 Understanding Ego Death

24:54 The Power of Play and Creativity

27:33 Follow What Brings You Joy

29:36 Confronting Your Inner Critic

33:45 Building a Business With Heart

35:45 The Gift of Being Fully Present

39:10 Responding to Life’s Greatest Challenges

41:35 Turn Mistakes Into Growth

44:24 The Rise of Conscious Leadership

46:15 The Decision to Sell to Amazon

53:34 A Year of Gratitude and Goodbyes

55:23 Attracting Great People to Your Mission

57:10 Letting People Go With Compassion

59:45 John on Final Five

Episode Resources:

Website | https://johnpmackey.com/ 

Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/iamjohnmackey 

Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/iamjohnmackey/ 

LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamjohnmackey 

X | https://x.com/iamjohnmackey 

Linktree | https://linktr.ee/iamjohnmackey

For decades, we&rsquo;ve been told that success and spirituality live in separate worlds. One is about achievement, the other about inner peace. In this conversation, John Mackey shares why he believes the two are deeply connected. Reflecting on the journey of building Whole Foods Market, he explores how purpose, intuition, gratitude, and conscious leadership shaped both his business and his life. From navigating near-failure and selling the company to Amazon, to redefining success beyond money and status, this episode is a powerful invitation to lead with more awareness, build with more heart, and create a life that feels as meaningful on the inside as it looks on the outside.
In this episode you'll learn:
How to Build a Business With Purpose
How to Turn Setbacks Into Growth
How to Find Joy in Your Work
How to Turn Envy Into Learning
How to Create a Culture People Never Want to Leave
How to Make Difficult Decisions With Compassion
How to Stay Connected to What Matters Most
There will be setbacks, doubts, and moments when things don&rsquo;t go according to plan, but those moments don&rsquo;t define your journey. What matters is continuing to move forward with purpose, staying connected to what brings you joy, and remembering that success means little if it costs you who you are.
John&rsquo;s book, The Whole Story: Adventures in Love, Life, and Capitalism, talks about why Whole Foods isn&rsquo;t just a business success story, it&rsquo;s the story of a retail, cultural, and dietary revolution that has forever changed the industry and the way we eat. Grab a copy here: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Story-Adventures-Love-Capitalism/dp/1637745125">https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Story-Adventures-Love-Capitalism/dp/1637745125</a>&nbsp;
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
JAY&rsquo;S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX
Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe <a href="https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe">https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe</a> &nbsp;
Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! <a href="https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast">https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast</a>&nbsp;
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
02:37 Answering the Call to Adventure
05:53 The Search for Meaning and Consciousness
09:42 A Spiritual Awakening Through Psychedelics
13:40 Exploring the Inner Universe
17:45 Envy Steals Joy
19:49 Understanding Ego Death
24:54 The Power of Play and Creativity
27:33 Follow What Brings You Joy
29:36 Confronting Your Inner Critic
33:45 Building a Business With Heart
35:45 The Gift of Being Fully Present
39:10 Responding to Life&rsquo;s Greatest Challenges
41:35 Turn Mistakes Into Growth
44:24 The Rise of Conscious Leadership
46:15 The Decision to Sell to Amazon
53:34 A Year of Gratitude and Goodbyes
55:23 Attracting Great People to Your Mission
57:10 Letting People Go With Compassion
59:45 John on Final Five
Episode Resources:
Website | <a href="https://johnpmackey.com/">https://johnpmackey.com/</a>&nbsp;
Facebook | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/iamjohnmackey">https://www.facebook.com/iamjohnmackey</a>&nbsp;
Instagram | <a href="https://www.instagram.com/iamjohnmackey/">https://www.instagram.com/iamjohnmackey/</a>&nbsp;
LinkedIn | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamjohnmackey">https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamjohnmackey</a>&nbsp;
X | <a href="https://x.com/iamjohnmackey">https://x.com/iamjohnmackey</a>&nbsp;
Linktree | <a href="https://linktr.ee/iamjohnmackey">https://linktr.ee/iamjohnmackey</a>

John Mackey: Not Sure You're on the Right Path In Your Career? (Use THIS Framework When You Feel Lost About What's Next)

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Today Jay sits down with former First Lady Dr. Jill Biden where she pulls back the curtain on an extraordinary journey of love, profound loss, and unrelenting public scrutiny. After first rejecting a young senator's marriage proposal five times, she and husband President Joe Biden ultimately built a family rooted in fierce loyalty and unwavering devotion. Jill shares what it takes to navigate life’s hardest moments - from the unimaginable grief of losing her son Beau to cancer, to her son Hunter's battle with addiction, to her husband's ongoing health struggles and heartbreaking political exit. Jill’s story highlights the radical power of staying present, and the impact of making a conscious decision to always choose joy no matter where you are in life. 

In this episode you'll learn:

How to Move Forward After Major Life Changes

How to Cultivate a Lasting Marriage

How to Instill Confidence in Those Around You

How to Advocate for Your Health

How to Navigate Loving Someone Through Addiction

How to Survive Unimaginable Grief

As you navigate your own journey, remember to lead with compassion and be kind, because we never truly know the hidden struggles behind someone else's smile.

In her new book, View from the East Wing: A Memoir, Jill shares her White House experiences for the first time, in her own words. You can order here: https://bit.ly/ViewFromTheEastWing 

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX

Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe  

Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast 

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

01:26 A New Life Trajectory

06:39 Saying “No” Five Times 

08:03 Lessons in Independence

09:56 Building Loving Relationships

15:08 A Blessing in Disguise

17:17 "My Husband Is Not Dying"

19:26 Grieving Loved Ones

21:18 A True Partnership

23:01 Redefining Your Role

23:53 The Weight of the World

25:32 Practicing Radical Presence

26:16 "We Won!"

27:50 Life’s Greatest Gift

31:52 Beyond the Classroom

32:31 The Health Gap

36:06 Panic in the Green Room

38:04 "I Had No Choice"

40:06 The Morning After

42:20 Alternate Realities

44:08 A Cruel Diagnosis

45:31 Strength in the Storm

46:12 An Unimaginable Loss

48:55 Learning to Live With the Pain

50:55 The Intervention

52:42 Breaking the Stigma Around Addiction 

54:38 Jill on Final Five

Episode Resources:

Website | https://joebiden.com/ 

Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/DrJillBiden/ 

Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/drbiden 

X | https://x.com/DrBiden

Today Jay sits down with former First Lady Dr. Jill Biden where she pulls back the curtain on an extraordinary journey of love, profound loss, and unrelenting public scrutiny. After first rejecting a young senator's marriage proposal five times, she and husband President Joe Biden ultimately built a family rooted in fierce loyalty and unwavering devotion. Jill shares what it takes to navigate life&rsquo;s hardest moments - from the unimaginable grief of losing her son Beau to cancer, to her son Hunter's battle with addiction, to her husband's ongoing health struggles and heartbreaking political exit. Jill&rsquo;s story highlights the radical power of staying present, and the impact of making a conscious decision to always choose joy no matter where you are in life.&nbsp;
In this episode you'll learn:
How to Move Forward After Major Life Changes
How to Cultivate a Lasting Marriage
How to Instill Confidence in Those Around You
How to Advocate for Your Health
How to Navigate Loving Someone Through Addiction
How to Survive Unimaginable Grief
As you navigate your own journey, remember to lead with compassion and be kind, because we never truly know the hidden struggles behind someone else's smile.
In her new book, View from the East Wing: A Memoir, Jill shares her White House experiences for the first time, in her own words. You can order here: <a href="https://bit.ly/ViewFromTheEastWing">https://bit.ly/ViewFromTheEastWing</a>&nbsp;
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
JAY&rsquo;S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX
Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe <a href="https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe">https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe</a> &nbsp;
Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! <a href="https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast">https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast</a>&nbsp;
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
01:26 A New Life Trajectory
06:39 Saying &ldquo;No&rdquo; Five Times&nbsp;
08:03 Lessons in Independence
09:56 Building Loving Relationships
15:08 A Blessing in Disguise
17:17 "My Husband Is Not Dying"
19:26 Grieving Loved Ones
21:18 A True Partnership
23:01 Redefining Your Role
23:53 The Weight of the World
25:32 Practicing Radical Presence
26:16 "We Won!"
27:50 Life&rsquo;s Greatest Gift
31:52 Beyond the Classroom
32:31 The Health Gap
36:06 Panic in the Green Room
38:04 "I Had No Choice"
40:06 The Morning After
42:20 Alternate Realities
44:08 A Cruel Diagnosis
45:31 Strength in the Storm
46:12 An Unimaginable Loss
48:55 Learning to Live With the Pain
50:55 The Intervention
52:42 Breaking the Stigma Around Addiction&nbsp;
54:38 Jill on Final Five
Episode Resources:
Website | <a href="https://joebiden.com/">https://joebiden.com/</a>&nbsp;
Facebook | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/DrJillBiden/">https://www.facebook.com/DrJillBiden/</a>&nbsp;
Instagram | <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drbiden">https://www.instagram.com/drbiden</a>&nbsp;
X | <a href="https://x.com/DrBiden">https://x.com/DrBiden</a>

Dr. Jill Biden: The Hardest Moments No One Saw (The Untold Story of the White House Years)

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/0b554ca5-f95c-4733-a4af-b4710061c95a/transcript

We often tell ourselves that we’ll start pursuing our goals when we have more time, more energy, or more motivation. But the truth is that lasting change is usually built in the small pockets of time we already have. In this episode, Jay explores how the hours after work can directly shape our lives, revealing why so many people feel stuck despite having big dreams for themselves.

Through practical insights and personal stories, Jay shares how to break free from autopilot routines, overcome decision fatigue, and create evenings that leave you feeling fulfilled rather than depleted. He reminds us that success is rarely the result of one dramatic decision, but of consistent choices that align with the person we want to become. The life you imagine for yourself may be closer than you think, it starts with how you spend today.

In this episode, you'll learn:

How to Reclaim Your Evenings

How to Break the After-Work Autopilot

How to Batch Tasks and Save Time

How to Build Energy Instead of Draining It

How to Turn Small Actions Into Big Results

How to Use Your 5-to-9 to Change Your Life

You don't need a perfect plan, endless motivation, or extra hours in the day to start moving your life forward. Real change is often built through small decisions made consistently, especially on the ordinary days when no one is watching.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX

Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe 

Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast 

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

01:19 Spending Your 5-9 Wrong

04:12 Shift #1: Change Your First Habit After Work

06:31 Shift #2: Batch Small Tasks to Avoid Getting Overwhelmed

07:48 Shift #3: Stop Waiting to Feel Good Before Taking Action 

10:55 Shift #4: Give Yourself One Meaningful Goal Each Night

12:48 Shift #5: Build Evenings That Help Regain Your Energy

15:49 Make the Right Choices to Spend Your Evenings Right

20:49 Positively Impact Your Future Years

23:04 Work for the Things You Care About

We often tell ourselves that we&rsquo;ll start pursuing our goals when we have more time, more energy, or more motivation. But the truth is that lasting change is usually built in the small pockets of time we already have. In this episode, Jay explores how the hours after work can directly shape our lives, revealing why so many people feel stuck despite having big dreams for themselves.
Through practical insights and personal stories, Jay shares how to break free from autopilot routines, overcome decision fatigue, and create evenings that leave you feeling fulfilled rather than depleted. He reminds us that success is rarely the result of one dramatic decision, but of consistent choices that align with the person we want to become. The life you imagine for yourself may be closer than you think, it starts with how you spend today.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How to Reclaim Your Evenings
How to Break the After-Work Autopilot
How to Batch Tasks and Save Time
How to Build Energy Instead of Draining It
How to Turn Small Actions Into Big Results
How to Use Your 5-to-9 to Change Your Life
You don't need a perfect plan, endless motivation, or extra hours in the day to start moving your life forward. Real change is often built through small decisions made consistently, especially on the ordinary days when no one is watching.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
JAY&rsquo;S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX
Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: <a href="https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe">https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe</a>&nbsp;
Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! <a href="https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast">https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast</a>&nbsp;
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
01:19 Spending Your 5-9 Wrong
04:12 Shift #1: Change Your First Habit After Work
06:31 Shift #2: Batch Small Tasks to Avoid Getting Overwhelmed
07:48 Shift #3: Stop Waiting to Feel Good Before Taking Action&nbsp;
10:55 Shift #4: Give Yourself One Meaningful Goal Each Night
12:48 Shift #5: Build Evenings That Help Regain Your Energy
15:49 Make the Right Choices to Spend Your Evenings Right
20:49 Positively Impact Your Future Years
23:04 Work for the Things You Care About

Always “Too Tired” After Work? 5 Shifts to Optimize Your 5–9 and Finally Build the Life You Want

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/0cc6a8e5-4d4d-4cc0-9292-b46e006fb857/transcript

Adam Grant ON: How to Rethink Your Assumptions & Become More Effective at Communicating with Others

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