Tanya Rad shared in today's trending that TV queen Shonda Rhimes has changed her stance on marriage and it got us thinking about the phrase never say never.

The ShondaLand legend who is behind shows like Grey's Anatomy, Scandal and Bridgerton, appeared on Alex Cooper's "Call Her Daddy" podcast and revealed she looks at marriage different now. 

Listen back to find out what she said that sparked the convo on-air with Tanya, Seacrest and Sisanie