On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, Cam welcomes Seahawks Pro Bowl defensive tackle Leonard Williams for a wide-ranging, funny, and surprisingly nerdy conversation that goes from playoffs to Pro Bowls to Pokémon.

Leonard breaks down why this Seahawks squad is the best team he’s ever been on. He and Cam also chop it up about Seattle’s push for the top playoff seed in the NFC, the importance of a first-round bye, and how different it feels playing meaningful December football after years on teams that didn’t win.

He opens up about how joining Seattle changed his career trajectory, what it’s like playing for head coach Mike McDonald, and the life of a hybrid defensive lineman.

From Philip Rivers NFL return to USC football to anime debates to becoming a father, this conversation is a blend of football IQ, storytelling, laughs, and real insight into one of the league’s most versatile trench players.

The Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeart Media.