One of the thrills of having this podcast is that S.E. gets to sit down for a luxurious amount of time with her friends. And this episode is a special one for that reason. S.E. brings on her friend and fellow journalist Alisyn Camerota. They talk about Alisyn's nostalgia for the 'unpainted' punk 80s, why she was an "impatient and problematic employee" in her early days, their shared experiences at Fox News and carving out a life and a career in an unstable industry. They also dig into family life, relationships, and grief, which is still fresh for Alisyn who lost her husband to cancer in 2024. It's an emotional conversation but a fun one, too. Alisyn Camerota is an award-winning journalist and author of Combat Love. Find out more about her retreat here.