In this powerful episode of NXT Chapter, Bishop T.D. Jakes sits down with John Hope Bryant, founder and CEO of Operation HOPE, for a deep and unfiltered conversation on financial literacy, economic dignity, and the true roots of division in America and across the world.

John Hope Bryant breaks down why race is not a biological construct but an economic one, tracing how class systems, capitalism, and access to financial education have shaped inequality for centuries. From slavery and the invention of race to modern credit systems, wealth gaps, and financial exclusion, this conversation challenges long-held beliefs and reframes how we understand power, money, and unity.

Together, T.D. Jakes and John Hope Bryant explore mindset, self-esteem, and why financial literacy is the civil rights issue of this generation. They discuss homelessness, building wealth versus chasing money, the importance of ownership, and how creativity, culture, and purpose play a role in economic freedom. The episode also dives into faith, leadership, unity, and why surrounding yourself with builders—not broken mindsets—is essential to growth.

This episode is a masterclass in truth, history, economics, and hope—designed to shift how you think about money, identity, and your role in building a better future.