From Designer To Dupes, We've Found Your Perfect Handbag

Published Jul 23, 2024, 8:00 PM

29 Handbags Under $100 That Are Practical And Chic

According to Leigh Campbell, every woman needs nine different types of bags to survive in this world. And we think she has a point.

To break down all these different categories, from designer to dupes and everything in between, we’re adding fashion journalist Damien Woolnough to our Mamamia fashion collective.

He brings with him decades of knowledge on designer items, so get ready for a history lesson. We've got this episode in the bag! 

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      Host: Leigh Campbell

      Guest: Damien Woolnough

      Producer: Grace Rouvray

      Audio Producer: Lu Hill

      Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

      You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Camberlon. Every week I chat to an expert who helps us work out how to get more out of the clothes we already own and tell us exactly what is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, we've been doing this podcast for almost a year and it came to our attention that we hadn't really talked about accessories. This episode was actually requested by one of our listeners, and we are listening. If you have an idea, please reach out and tell us. We'd love to hear what topics you'd like us to cover. You can get in touch via the show notes. For today's episode, we are going into bags, from designers to dups and everything in between to get the history of some of the best and well known brands in the business. I have enlisted the help of my friend Damien Wilno. Damien is the style editor of the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. He's been writing about fashion and style for many, many decades. Damien, I'm so happy to have you here.

      Oh, I'm so happy to be here.

      We became friends. We've both been in the industry. How long have you been doing this?

      Actually we decided on just saying decades, because if I go for the full year, it's.

      Okay, not pretty decades and me in media not so much fashion, but beauty for decades. And we traveled to Paris late last year together for work and we connected and I just love your knowledge and your wisdom and your take on fashion. But before we get into this topic, I'm going to talk about your style. Can you describe your style in three words?

      Well, it's sort of more sounds than words. It's sort of boom oh okay, which could be my drag name. I think I love quiet luxury. Yes, I love classics and basics elevated essentials, but the boom is sort of I think you need to just add something, whether it's a knockout shoe, a statement jacket. Wisz with a twist.

      I like a sound Mine would be like ugh ooh tired. Okay, the theory that rings true with almost everyone. We've got a wardrobe full of clothes. But there's ten percent of our items, our accessories that we often have on high rotation because they really work for us. What's in your ten percent?

      Oh? In my ten percent is a Navy cashmere jumper that I've had for years that has just developed a hole in it. My mission in life is trying to find a replacement. At the moment, we darn it. I am going to darn it, but I do think it's sort of once it has a hole, it sort of transitions to Sunday sofas.

      Yeah, totally, and we'll still be loved.

      Oh we fantasy will become a sort of aeroplane jumper, which is essential classic jeans playing Calvin Kleins. I have lots of genes, big labels, but is the Calvin Klients that are on that high rotation interesting, comfy, comfy, super comfy, super reliable, sturdy and sort of they don't punish you if you have a big lunch.

      Love that anything else.

      A camel coat. The camel coat is from the nineties from Joe Saba's first store in Melbourne. I love that and it holds up.

      Yeah, well you are all about investing not a huge amount of money, but I guess investing in quality and then keeping it and updating. But you know, rotating. I love that.

      I think once you hang around long enough, you do appreciate investment pieces and those items that last, they become sort of loved and treasured and part of who you are.

      And you'll know they'll be back because you're seeing trends the third and four and fifth time as am I all right, we're getting into handbags. One of my last questions is why you, as a male guest, are talking about this. But we're going to end on that. I want to start with designer handbags and essentially the history and why society is obsessed with designer handbags. So can we start with the Ermez Burken Because I love a design handbag and I love fashion. But this handbag starts at either twenty or thirty thousand dollars and can go up to two million dollars. I don't know if this is true. Maybe you can tell me, but you can't just walk into Ermez if you've won the lotto and buy one, you have to accumulate status within the store. Do you know much about the Ermez Berken?

      The Ermez Burken is parts of it, and particularly buying one is shrouded in mystery, and there are stories of people not being able to get them until they've purchased a certain amount within a store or developed a relationship with the store. It's also a matter of finding the right store that has the style of Burken.

      You want, because they're very limited, aren't they.

      Yeah, it's very limited, and that's part of the reason why they're so valuable, because it's that scarcity of supply. But in fact, there's a legal case in the US at the moment about this very issue that people just can't go in and buy a Burken bag. So they're taking it to court in.

      Terms of discrimination.

      Yeah, discrimination and mystery, and I think the particular laws in the US that maybe being crossed here. But you know, going up against Ermez is quite a thing. They're the second largest luxury label in the world.

      Well, if they're getting paid tens of thousands of dollars for each bag, I'm sure that they've got some money to pay for the lawyers. But what are your thoughts on that? On the exclusivity of that, you can't just wander and even if you've got the money. I'm in two minds because I think some part of fashion is aspirational, Like I would never want one of these even if I had the money. But then I do see the point. It's like, you know what, what's so great about you? What's your thoughts on this whole thing?

      I love items that have a bit of mystery and a bit of aspiration. I guess the issues around it are that it does leave it open for discrimination, perhaps having to look a certain way or have a certain amount of money. There's that lovely movie about the woman in the fifties saving up to buyer to your address, Missus Harris go And you know, you hope that missus Harris would have been able to buy a Berken, But it doesn't sound like she could have.

      No, that's a bit Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, Big Mistake, Huge. Who is Burken? Is that a person?

      It is a person that the wonderful Jane Berkin, who was an English singer and actress who moved to France and became a style icon in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, who only just died recently. Her children are style icons, Lou Doyle, Charlotte Gainsbour. She came to represent that sort of quintessential French girl chic, the sort of you know, the undone hair, She've just got.

      Out of bed. But that would take me five hours exactly.

      I'd thrown a singlet and jeanis and you're ready to go. She was on a plane in nineteen eighty one carrying a basket, which was sort of her signature. She'd been upgraded to first class and as she was getting to her seat, her basket tipped over. Sitting beside her was the CEO of Ermez and he said, you know you need an Ermez bag and she said, well, when you make one with pockets, I'll buy one. So she sketched a design on a sick bag, so glamorous.

      Beginning airline sick bag.

      Yes, and they developed the Burken two years later. He took the sketch and said, you know, I will make it if I can use your name to sell it. Wow, And so it became synonymous with her. It was released in eighty three, I think two years after their encounter, and I think it started sales at around two thousand dollars oh back in the day.

      But that's a lot back then, I mean nothing compared to now. But wow, I had no idea. And another probably lesser known Ermez bag before we move on, is the Kelly. It's kind of like the Little Sister, slightly more affordable, still exhorbitant. Do you know much about the Kelly?

      The Kelly is one of the earliest bags in Ermes repertoire, it sort of I think it was in nineteen twenty eight. It first emerged with a French name I'm not going to attempt to pronounce, but a very French name, bit more prim than the sort of slotchy Burken. And it was used by Grace Kelly in the film to catch a thief. And after she'd become a princess in Monaco, when she became pregnant, she sort of concealed the baby bump with one of these bags.

      I did that for my pregnancy, but with my Tsara handbag.

      Also, why is that not called the Lee bag, which is what happened with the Kelly bag.

      Well, there you go. Gosh, you're a fountain of knowledge. All right, I want to move on to what is arguably the most iconic bag, the Chanell Classic flat Bag. Do you know much about this one's history?

      I know a little bit about the Chanell flat bag. Like many of these, there are a number of renditions, but the flat bag has at some years it sort of competes with Burken in terms of resale investment. Certain Burkins double in value.

      I knew Chanel went up in value a bit like men who are really into roll ex, but I didn't know Burkins can double in value.

      Absolutely. They have to be kept in pristine condition.

      I can't use it, can't you? Okay?

      Perfect, keep it in the bag. Yeah, So what's the point again? And we'll probably get to that further along day doubling value. They've outstripped gold in their resale value and art as well. But the flat bag, yes, some years, does the same. And the flatbag was not the classic quilted coco Chanel bag from the fifties, but was actually developed by Carl Lagerfeld in the eighties. The eighties was a good time for handbag, it was, And the flat bag also has an internal flap. It has the chain and leather strap and the black style, which is the one I think most people think of black with gold hardware.

      I'm more of a Chanelle boy bag myself, not than I own any of them, but I think that classic quiltedge with probably the lambskin which doesn't wear all that well, and the gold hardware. That's what I think when I think the Chanelle classic flatbag.

      I think that's what's really come to represent the Chanell bag that everyone wants. What I do like about the Chanelle flatbag is there is a certain part from the price tag, a certain degree of practicality about it.

      Good size, relative security, although I don't know if that chain is right.

      You've got to be careful with what you wear the correct and.

      It hurt your shoulder. And they look around fifteen or twenty grand, you know, pocket change.

      And they keep going up in value as well.

      I was going to ask you can I get a good one second hand? But I'm probably going to pay the same price as retail or more.

      Probably more with a lot of these bags, in fact, that you can be paying twenty percent more than their in boutique price. But the im boutique prices just went up by around six percent in March and we'll go up again by the end of the year. They go up twice a year.

      Apparently, one more iconic bag before we get onto more obtainable bags most of us the Fendi Peekaboo bag. Do you know much about this one? I feel like this is a dark horse, a quiet luxury, unsung hero, but it's pretty iconic.

      I know a little bit about the Fendy Peekaboo in that it's sort of emerged in the two thousands. It emerged alongside a car lagofeld collection for Fendy, but was probably from one of the Fendy sisters designing the accessories. I feel it falls in to that stealth wealth category after the huge success of the Fendi baget Yes, which was such a sort of hot hit. It's certainly more understated. In fact, the first version that came down the runway, I believe was a cloth version as well, So it does sort of have that in the no quality. You spot one and if you recognize it, you're part of that exclusive club that appreciates something without a bit of gold hardware to tell you what it is.

      And they're what around eight or nine K. So this is very interesting, But you know, as history shows and trends show. Trends start somewhere and then they trickle down to the high street into the mass stores, and that's where most of us can afford them. But I want to firstly ask about it bags in general. The term it bag has been around for decades. So what do you think it is about handbags, especially that we're so obsessed with and make such a status symbol.

      I think it's that recognition. It's a really clear way of showing your taste or what you think good taste is. You're sort of saying, I love Louis Vuton, I can afford Louis Vuton, I love hermez, I can afford hermez, and good luck to you if you can. So in that way, they're almost like an extension of the shopping bag that Julia Rowitt swings in her hands as she leaves the store.

      Yes, and the car you drive. It's a status symbol.

      It is a status symbol in the same way for many men. Look, the watch is the status symbol. But I feel that handbags in particular, they're loaded with meaning. Anyone can carry a handbag. You're not limited by size, yability. You know, the handbag is fairly accessible as a wardrobe item.

      They've got dopamine, okay, Jupes, Fakes and super fakes. Duopes are everywhere in handbags and drooly in beauty, in fashion. Let's face it, that's how the vast majority of us can buy a statement or stylish bag or just you know, a handbag, because everything trickles down. So the revival of Botaga Vanetta, how many years ago do you reckon that was now? Because that was always around, but it was a pretty uncool bit dowdy and then Bataga blew up.

      I think it was around the time Daniel Lee, the creative director was there and we saw green everywhere. We saw that Buttaga green.

      Everywhere, almost like a Kermit green.

      And he took that classic weaving method, that platted method in triciata I think it's called that Bataga use and sort of took it to the next level, but sort of pop colors.

      So what is your thought on jupes.

      I guess it depends on what we mean by dupes. If we mean things posing as the knockoff themselves, my stomach turns. I don't understand why you would want to own something.

      And that's just not fake, right, It's more like it's got the Chanel logo, but we know it's not Chanelle, or maybe you don't know.

      I'm fine with inspired by pieces that allow most of us who don't have vemez budget to embrace a trend. I do like it when the brand that's been inspired do put their own twist on it and it's not too literal. Some Australian brands can get a bit too close to their international inspirations when delivering it. I prefer it when there's a bit of distance. They might just expand on the method, whether it's the platting, the cloud puffiness of cloud handbags or the straw detailed a nod a nod. And also don't take the prices up to that level.

      Oh, I agree, forget it. What do you think sizes say about bags? Is some of it just ridiculous.

      I think it's absolutely ridiculous, but it says a lot. I mean we're tapping here into the politics of the handbag, and handbags emerged at a time where women were being liberated, they were entering the workforce, they had greater freedoms, and the handbag really represents that in our history. So I think that's what looks slightly disturbing with a particularly small handbag that can only carry your lipstick. It's kind of saying, well, you know, I need to be looked after, or I'm so beyond this, I don't need to carry anything with me. And yeah, I find that bit gross.

      Yeah, and there is that. There's a lot of history and meaning behind these things. But do you think the average everyday person like you and I just want to stylish and practical handbag.

      Absolutely. I think that's the case with many women I know who do have wonderful statement investment handbags, but they continually fall back on the one that can squeeze in their laptop, or carry their bolding purse or hide their tissues. There's the good fallback bag, and that's I think the one that we should be aspiring to buy.

      Well, let's talk about the majority of handbags for the population. So the average woman owns nine handbags. I thought that was actually quite a lot. I thought it might be about five. I thought my average would blow it out. But that's because I've got so many bags I don't use and I'm going to get better. But I sat down and thought, what are my ones? That I always use and need, and then I want to get your opinion on the essential. So for me, it's a crossbody because hands free groceries, whatever, a large tote or a shopper or a carry all I love good for travel, or that they must have a zip, a fancy slash, statement slash going out bag. That's where I've got a lot of because back in the day I used to buy a whole new outfit for a wedding. Now I never do that, but I've got too many evening bags and not enough places to go. Good old bucket bag, good old beach bag, and controversial a bum bag. I love a bum bag. So do you reckon? There's some categories that are kind of the essentials.

      The way you've divided the categories shows exactly that it has to be fit for purpose. There's nothing worse than seeing someone going to a fantastic evening event carrying sort of an everyday cross body bag. It just looks wrong.

      Sometimes you can take the strap poss off and it's kind of like a clutch.

      That's fine, and you can get you've made an effort, then fantastic And sometimes I've seen people using sort of their computer pouches as a clutch and getting away with it. Why not? But I think it has to be fit for purpose. Yeah, but the categories you reared off were pretty good. Yeah, I'll go with those.

      I'm still learning that bags should not be impulse purchases because you ask a lot of them, you really won't use them if they're not fit for purpose. So I want to talk about not spending five thousand dollars on a handbag. Do you have any brands that make great bags that you'd recommend that aren't the price of a small car.

      There's some great Australian and New Zealand labels out there that you can support that use really great quality materials, tap into some of the current trends, but have that sense of discovery. You're not sort of following you. You're not a sheep, You're sort of leading the pack. You're blazing a trail. Some of those brands are you may from New Zealand are never maard of first. Jesse Wong, an inspiring woman who started this label using deer leather with an ethic sustainable approach, creates one of the coolest bucket bags. Okay, really awesome. If you're after a statement piece, something a bit more youthful per designer Poppul listenmen really fun pieces.

      The kids are all about Poppy. I've got a fifteen and eighteen year old niece and they are obsessed with popular cement and I thought it was just a teen brand, but I did look online and there's some really beautiful styles, contrasts black and white and yeah she's from Perth, right.

      Yeah, per really and does create sunglasses as well to put in the handbag later on. Most of these are sort of not getting to the four figures, or if they are, they're not getting too far beyond it. There's a great Australian label for Stsy Yes for.

      Stersy, I love that one too. Monica the founder, she used to be in beauty pr Oh wow, and then she was like, how are people all affording these ridiculous handbags? And so have luxury Italian made handbags that are about three hundred bucks. I think.

      Yeah. The styles sort of tap into the current trends, but they don't feel dupy. There's enough difference they really stand out up. Each time I've been asking a girlfriend where their bag is from, because it's caught my eye. It has been from Chestercy.

      I've got a couple. I've got a really beautiful chocolate brown, sort of Quilton inspired smaller bag, and then I've got one of their big convertible backpacks. That's a tope, but then you do something fancy to the handle, it's apack.

      I do think the old Oreton if you sif through.

      I love Oreton. Their new collections amazing. I think Oreton is really having a comeback. And also a little tip if your shopping online, head to their website and then click straight over to the outlet site. Mimco. Do you have fond memories of Mimco.

      I have very fond memories of Mimco and their rise, and part of those memories continue to be happy with their founder, Amanda Brisken Retick, who's gone on to found another label called Aesque out of Melbourne, great classic pieces. They do a wonderful cloud clutch as well in a striking metallic With all of these brands, it's about the feel as well. So it is great to click online and to go to the outlet, but you do want to feel that leather and you.

      Know what you need to do or what I wish I did with my Booshie. You will get to you later. Take your laptop, take your toup away container if you're can have that in your bag, put it in the bag in the store and walk around. Does it fit under your arm? Is it comfortable? Are you going to use it? I want to mention a few other ones. You did mention as because that he pronounced it so she was Mimco sold Mimco then did that Mimco still do great bags. The Horse is another Aussie brand. I think their husband and wife duo that started beautiful, beautiful designs, and we're going to link to all of this in the Nothing to Wear newsletter, so you don't need to write anything down. Ryland's studio is a really beautiful one, kind of that minimal esthetic, you know the really cool girls on Instagram that are all black and white and neutral, but there's some brown, some beautiful detailing that are kind of a nod to trends but nothing to statementy. Another great one is Peter and Jan I hope I'm pronouncing that right. They launched in twenty seventeen and they're a vegan accessories brand, so they kind of identified a gap in the market whereby there wasn't cool, beautiful style, trendy handbags that were vegan, which I think is a really important market decter for a lot of people don't want to carry leather and status. Anxiety is another Aussie brand that do some really beautiful designs, big, small, colored, simple Classic.

      Another one before I forget and it's more of a They do do some leather pieces, but more canvas totes. Wholier. Yes, Jeremy Hershon, who won the National Designer of the Year award, has these banging canvas totes. You'll see them at the airport's trinny Woodall has won a few people and it's another one of these pieces that in great sort of sunshade colors that you see and you sort of recognize it.

      I know that, but what is that exactly?

      They're fantastic. You can knock them about a bit, which I love.

      We need that now. Listen, Damien, you are male. My husband is male, and he drives me insane because we're going out and I have a certain sized handbag for what I need to carry, and then he says, can you put these things in my bag? Why do you think that as a society, men don't have as many or often carry bag the way women do.

      I think it's about history and the fact men we had to rely on pockets for so long, and which is why anytime a woman puts out an outfit with pockets, they scream with delight in my experience, So men aren't used to carrying bags. And also there's a lot of dated, heteronormative sort.

      Of men don't carry bag.

      Yeah, men don't carry bats, sort of the feminization of carrying a bag, which is slowly disappearing, particularly with the rise of totes. They just have briefcases which have disappeared completely.

      They weren't very practical, were they.

      Well they might have been at the time, I guess, but they weren't laptops. I think you just no.

      They just had files, files backs. Now you're incredibly stylish as a male, So what styles brands do you use? I'm often asked, I need to buy my husband a weekender or my brother a bag for work, or a gym bag. And I don't really know all that much in terms of quote, unquite men's bags. Obviously, men can have any bag, But do you have like some styles? It's hot on high rotation for you, so on.

      Highest Rotation is one of those holier canvas bags. Because I'm tough, I can't have good things, okay, but they get dirty, they get thrown around. So it's my go to weekend bags. I have a classic black leather Mulberry bag Weekend that's been with me for years, but recently picked up a sort of cherry leather r and William's.

      Bag al Rillins is another great Aldie brand.

      Beautiful, beautiful weekend bags. And the great thing is you're just looking at it now. It's new and I can't wait to see how it will look in ten years.

      Beautiful worthy investment. It's very expensive, Mney.

      How wond are these.

      Percent okay on tabougie and budget? I probably just stole you budget from later, but I need to tell you about mine, my bougie I adore. I wish I'd tried it before I bought it, but I bought it online. I bought it last year. It's the Victoria Beckham Jumbo chain pouch bag in Bordeaux, so it's that dark ready wine color. I adore this bag. It's huge, and it's got a shoulder strap and then it's got a flap and some gold hardware. So she was pretty expensive, but not Chanelle. Not why I sell prices in the two thousands, and I'd saved up for her. There was a certain goal that I wanted to hit, and then she was my treat. I adore this bag. Is it the most functional bag? No? Because the way it sits under my shoulder, then I have to open the flat to get anything out. I'm kind of always doing acrobatics that looks like I'm blow drying my hair. This is my point. If you're going to invest in a bag, even if it's one hundred bucks, see if you can play with the first I persevere with his bag and I use it because I love it, But it wasn't worth the money for the functionality. But look at that color.

      I just saw one of the last week. Yes, and I loved the look of it. To be fair, my friend wasn't carrying it at at the time. But there's a slouchy quality.

      Yes, so it looks much better slouched. And you can also take the handle off and use it as a big oversized clutch. I'm a woman, I'm carrying a million things. I'm never cool and oversized and slouchy. Otherwise I take a smaller bag. It looks cool. I love it. I get a lot of comments. Would I again spend that much money on it? Noy, We live and we own.

      Do you have a bougie a boogie handbag that my friends have that I constantly fall in love with and it's not too bougie but it comes in and out of fashion. It's the Chloe Marcy saddle bag.

      Oh yes, beautiful.

      I think it's an underrated bag, but it always looks smart. It fits quite a lot in it.

      Another guest of ours has recommended that before, and I think Chloe's having a real moment. It was so boho cool see in the middle of what twenty years ago, and.

      It's back glaston Bruce just happened. That whole boho spirit is coming back and we're going to see those Chloe belts everywhere with the name across them. So yeah, nod to the past and grab a MASSI saddlebag.

      Yes, and if you've got one to get out so my budget, you can't buy exactly anymore again. I bore it last year. It was thirty nine ninety five and it's a beautiful medium gray bucket bag from H and M Best. They don't have it anymore, but they have a similarish one that I love that will link to. It's called the Small Shoulder Bag, incredibly original name thirty nine ninety nine and the color is grayish, so like a gray beige. And I think for forty bucks, it's got cute little what's that thing called buckle buckle? Great hardware, Yeah, great hardware, little buckle detail. You can also get it in a is it like a mint green? I think H and M and Zara do very good. Inspired by Jupes. This has obviously come from somewhere and I don't know where.

      And you're happy to spend forty dollars when it's a mint because how long are you going to correct?

      And that's it and it's going to get knocked about if you met you throw it in the back of the car. You've got kids, musley bars in it. It's a nice little size and that it could an evening bag, can be a day bag without your laptop. I think if you do want something a bit fashion forward but don't want to spend a lot of money, H Shanamn Zara are really good. What about budget for you?

      For me, it's really tapping into that individuality once again, rather than being sort of a sheet, it's trying to pull off the right straw basket, just like Jane Burkin did, finding a basket with a leather strap that you can see at markets and some grocery stores. And if you're able to pull that off, you can actually put a drawstring cloth bag in it inside as well.

      So everybody doesn't see your belongings, your tampons and everything exactly.

      It sort of keeps some mystery to the whole thing. Just check that you get the right straw finish, because you don't want it rubbing up against silk or knit and then just tearing and catching a good point.

      I do love a straw bag. Do you think you can do a straw in winter?

      I do absolutely, And straw bags are having that sort of renaissance at the moment they're coming in, So try and find one with a great deep brown leather strap.

      That made me think. The hippy designer Tivvy's a brand that I absolutely love and I follow their founder and designer on Instagram. She had purchased a large basket hat that didn't fit her right. She didn't like it. She turned it upside down, wove a ribbon through it and turned it into a bucket bag.

      I could do that with some of my albanies.

      Perhaps, may you go, Damien, thank you so much for joining me. You're a wealth of knowledge.

      That was great to have you o's being an all bag. Thank you.

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