You can hear the second half of Mia's conversation with Patric here. 

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Patric Gagne is not what most people picture when they hear the word ‘sociopath’. For example, she’s married and has two children. She’s a functioning member of society. She has friends.

Sociopaths tend to lie, break laws, act impulsively and they have little regard for their own safety because they simply don’t have fear or guilt. All these things are true for Patric.

In this conversation Patric talks to Mia Freedman about the emotions she doesn't feel, the signs that popped up when she was a child and what it's like being friends with a sociopath.

It’s believed just under 5% of the population are sociopaths, that’s one in 25 people. That’s why Patric wrote her memoir Sociopaths, to share what it’s really like.

Patric's book Sociopaths is available here

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