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Leigh Sales And Lisa Millar: The Introvert And The Extrovert

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As two of Australia's most well-known and successful journalists, Leigh Sales and Lisa Millar have witnessed and reported on the most significant news events in the past 30 years. They’re also best mates.

Leigh and Lisa both work for the ABC and share a passion for journalism but they're very different. One wakes up at 3am, loves strangers and does park runs on the weekend. While the other looks for the exit at parties, is learning to play the cello and has interviewed every living Australian Prime Minister.

In this conversation, Mia speaks to Leigh Sales and Lisa Miller about their meet cute, divorce, online harassment and friendship.

Leigh and Lisa are working together on The Newsreader Podcast: a weekly companion podcast for the ABC’s hit drama The Newsreader.

Leigh Sales has a new book: Storytellers and Lisa Millar is working on Muster Dogs from Pups to Pros.


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Host: Mia Freedman. You can find Mia on Instagram here and get her newsletter here.

Executive Producer: Kimberley Braddish 

Audio Producer: Madeline Joannou

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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