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Before y'all go being at y'all have a better knowledge of the game of basketball, whether it be NBA or w NBA. As someone on the outside looking in that was able to watch y'all this morning, I want to tell you that was peak elite sports journalism as far as conversation is concerned. There's got to be so many different opinions. Where the wrong, where the right? Monica, I didn't know you could cook. I ain't know you was a chef because honey, you was cooking the start and you hear me you was cooking. You had your points, but the passion, the passion and authenticity. Monica that you spoke with today, Well, I'm talking about man, bruh. I was on the edge of my seat. You had, you made your points and then Monica, you and Stephen they going back and forth and I'm sitting on the edge of my seat, like, man, what is going on?

Before y'all go being at y'all have a better knowledge of the game of basketball, whether it be NBA or w NBA. As someone on the outside looking in that was able to watch y'all this morning, I want to tell you that was peak elite sports journalism as far as conversation is concerned. There's got to be so many different opinions. Where the wrong, where the right? Monica, I didn't know you could cook. I ain't know you was a chef because honey, you was cooking the start and you hear me you was cooking. You had your points, but the passion, the passion and authenticity. Monica that you spoke with today, Well, I'm talking about man, bruh. I was on the edge of my seat. You had, you made your points and then Monica, you and Stephen they going back and forth and I'm sitting on the edge of my seat, like, man, what is going on?

That was Listen.

That was Listen.

That was peak elite. I'm talking about elite television. So anytime that's any any type of NBA topics, w NBA topics, if the execs at the ESPO knew what they were doing, they need to make sure they had that same that same trio and all along with Molly because that that was great.

That was peak elite. I'm talking about elite television. So anytime that's any any type of NBA topics, w NBA topics, if the execs at the ESPO knew what they were doing, they need to make sure they had that same that same trio and all along with Molly because that that was great.

That was fabulous.

That was fabulous.

I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying it because you on the goddamn show tonight, because you see I'm cursing that ship was That ship was fucking fabulous.

I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying it because you on the goddamn show tonight, because you see I'm cursing that ship was That ship was fucking fabulous.

That was That was all TV. What if thing is that?

That was That was all TV. What if thing is that?

Oh show that when you just do television and Monica attested this, you never know what you're gonna get because you have so many you have sometimes two, three, maybe even four people and it's an opinion based show. Yeah, Monica had her opinion, I had mine, Steve, and they had had his and so Monica says, a topic like this deserves a more nuanced conversation that we don't have to worry about getting into a break. So if Monica needs to talk fifteen minutes straight, we can allow Monica to do that. Monica, the topic came up basically, it's Caitlin Clark is the NBA? Are some of the players in the w NBA have a person of vendetta? Are the envious? Are they jealous? Are they is their resentment? I think the term resentment show show his head up into the conversation. So I want to turn the floor over to you. What point do you want to reiterate? What point do you didn't get an opportunity to make that you would like to make? Now the floor is yours.

Oh show that when you just do television and Monica attested this, you never know what you're gonna get because you have so many you have sometimes two, three, maybe even four people and it's an opinion based show. Yeah, Monica had her opinion, I had mine, Steve, and they had had his and so Monica says, a topic like this deserves a more nuanced conversation that we don't have to worry about getting into a break. So if Monica needs to talk fifteen minutes straight, we can allow Monica to do that. Monica, the topic came up basically, it's Caitlin Clark is the NBA? Are some of the players in the w NBA have a person of vendetta? Are the envious? Are they jealous? Are they is their resentment? I think the term resentment show show his head up into the conversation. So I want to turn the floor over to you. What point do you want to reiterate? What point do you didn't get an opportunity to make that you would like to make? Now the floor is yours.

Well, so I'm.

Well, so I'm.

Gonna take y'all. Two things happened to me. I actually went to the game on Friday, and this episode sort of speaks to the growth of the game. My fiance and I we just take the train home because it's easiest for in New York. And there are a couple of white boys. One of them went to Auburn, his brother went to University Missouri. His girlfriend was with them, another young white man. They're playing their late twenties when I might have been in the early twenties. And it was a black woman that clearly just left the Liberty game that sat across from them, and they just spark up, y'all, this spontaneous conversation about women's basketball. And yes, it was about this particular play, and it was a little bit about this guy Angel and it was Kaitlyn, and it was about the Liberty And I'm looking at my fiance like this is crazy, Like we're just on a train, and folks that you might think are watching the WNBA pop into this conversation and they had both engaged and they started talking about Auburn and the Tuskegeeon. I was peak ear hustling for the record, but they was loud. But I say that to say and Shannon, I get that we are at a special place when it comes to women's basketball and the growth of the game and all of the eyeballs. I think what I was frustrated by in our conversation earlier is that we can hold more than one truth, y'all. Like the idea of some players being jealous, yes, step that probably exists, but I think in Caitlyn's debut since or since she has made her debut, there's been a large and loud clamor or push Yes, that is Caitlyn versus the W, and that is unfair to me.

Gonna take y'all. Two things happened to me. I actually went to the game on Friday, and this episode sort of speaks to the growth of the game. My fiance and I we just take the train home because it's easiest for in New York. And there are a couple of white boys. One of them went to Auburn, his brother went to University Missouri. His girlfriend was with them, another young white man. They're playing their late twenties when I might have been in the early twenties. And it was a black woman that clearly just left the Liberty game that sat across from them, and they just spark up, y'all, this spontaneous conversation about women's basketball. And yes, it was about this particular play, and it was a little bit about this guy Angel and it was Kaitlyn, and it was about the Liberty And I'm looking at my fiance like this is crazy, Like we're just on a train, and folks that you might think are watching the WNBA pop into this conversation and they had both engaged and they started talking about Auburn and the Tuskegeeon. I was peak ear hustling for the record, but they was loud. But I say that to say and Shannon, I get that we are at a special place when it comes to women's basketball and the growth of the game and all of the eyeballs. I think what I was frustrated by in our conversation earlier is that we can hold more than one truth, y'all. Like the idea of some players being jealous, yes, step that probably exists, but I think in Caitlyn's debut since or since she has made her debut, there's been a large and loud clamor or push Yes, that is Caitlyn versus the W, and that is unfair to me.

Yeah jealous, sure, I mean, would you bean jalous?

Yeah jealous, sure, I mean, would you bean jalous?

Somebody got tory you know, a shoe.

Somebody got tory you know, a shoe.

Dealer, whatever, the dealer before you step foot in the pros.

Dealer, whatever, the dealer before you step foot in the pros.

Right.

Right.

I just need us all to do a better job of holding room for multiple truth Jordan.

I just need us all to do a better job of holding room for multiple truth Jordan.

As a rookie, Joe right, unc Lebron as a rookie, like Wemby as a rookie. When you look at guys that have gone on to be great, I'm sure they would not say their rookie years were cakewalks. Now, in the case of Lebron and if we use Wemby this year, they have physically dominant and powerful statures and so maybe that has allowed them to skirt some of her. But Kaylen is the guard coming from college, she got get away up. The W has to continue to allow her to be one of the leaders of this platform, as angel Rees has also been. Because I know that's gonna be a hot topic tomorrow, and so my old thing is it doesn't have to be either or it can be. But the prevailing idea that it's the w versus Kaitlyn and that these women don't understand the power of the eyeballs and the audience that she's helped grow the league to, that's just unfair and that's what bothers me.

As a rookie, Joe right, unc Lebron as a rookie, like Wemby as a rookie. When you look at guys that have gone on to be great, I'm sure they would not say their rookie years were cakewalks. Now, in the case of Lebron and if we use Wemby this year, they have physically dominant and powerful statures and so maybe that has allowed them to skirt some of her. But Kaylen is the guard coming from college, she got get away up. The W has to continue to allow her to be one of the leaders of this platform, as angel Rees has also been. Because I know that's gonna be a hot topic tomorrow, and so my old thing is it doesn't have to be either or it can be. But the prevailing idea that it's the w versus Kaitlyn and that these women don't understand the power of the eyeballs and the audience that she's helped grow the league to, that's just unfair and that's what bothers me.

Go ahead, O Yoe, listen again. From the outside looking in, I have come to enjoy watching w NBA now as a new fan. I had the opportunity Monica to see the Dream play the Wings. I mean, yeah, yeah, the Right Wings in Atlanta maybe two or three weeks ago. And I have never been in an atmosphere like that, from the game to the enthusiasm with the crowd, the DJ, everything was jumping from first quarter the fourth quarter. The halftime show was phenomenal as well. So the engagement and the experience that I had at that w NBA game when the Dream played the Wings, that's what I'm expecting now. I have a chart with the Missus where we're starting on the East Coast and we're working our way up to the West coast. I'm starting with I'm going to another Dream game, then I'm gonna make my way to Dallas, and from Dallas, I'm going to Chicago to see the sky from the sky that I'm going to La to see the sparks, and then we're going to Phoenix and then we're gonna we're gonna finish off in Vegas.

Go ahead, O Yoe, listen again. From the outside looking in, I have come to enjoy watching w NBA now as a new fan. I had the opportunity Monica to see the Dream play the Wings. I mean, yeah, yeah, the Right Wings in Atlanta maybe two or three weeks ago. And I have never been in an atmosphere like that, from the game to the enthusiasm with the crowd, the DJ, everything was jumping from first quarter the fourth quarter. The halftime show was phenomenal as well. So the engagement and the experience that I had at that w NBA game when the Dream played the Wings, that's what I'm expecting now. I have a chart with the Missus where we're starting on the East Coast and we're working our way up to the West coast. I'm starting with I'm going to another Dream game, then I'm gonna make my way to Dallas, and from Dallas, I'm going to Chicago to see the sky from the sky that I'm going to La to see the sparks, and then we're going to Phoenix and then we're gonna we're gonna finish off in Vegas.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, I'm hoping based on the experience I had in Atlanta and that in that stadium, I'm hoping the rest of the atmospherees are like that too. Obviously, the game of basketball is good. I've come to learn all the players. Now, I have a bunch of jerseys that I that I bought in for my road trip.

Now, I'm hoping based on the experience I had in Atlanta and that in that stadium, I'm hoping the rest of the atmospherees are like that too. Obviously, the game of basketball is good. I've come to learn all the players. Now, I have a bunch of jerseys that I that I bought in for my road trip.

I'm hoping.

I'm hoping.

I'm not sure how that I don't know them personally, I'm hoping they've signed my jersey so I can put up here in a man cave and like I'm locked in now, locked and and watching y'all this morning solidifies everything because obviously I'm a new fan, I'm new eyeballs to it, and I think I think after this year they will almost I'm not saying they're gonna be able to compete with the NBA, they will old from an exciting standpoint, what's going to happen next?

I'm not sure how that I don't know them personally, I'm hoping they've signed my jersey so I can put up here in a man cave and like I'm locked in now, locked and and watching y'all this morning solidifies everything because obviously I'm a new fan, I'm new eyeballs to it, and I think I think after this year they will almost I'm not saying they're gonna be able to compete with the NBA, they will old from an exciting standpoint, what's going to happen next?

Okay, So let me ask you this, Let me ask you this, because this is where turned the shining for me this morning. That's give you a hypothetical. Come on, come on now, take you back to your playing days.

Okay, So let me ask you this, Let me ask you this, because this is where turned the shining for me this morning. That's give you a hypothetical. Come on, come on now, take you back to your playing days.

Right, okay, okay, okay.

Right, okay, okay, okay.

Boom this new corner. He bye bye bla he all this big fact con you about the square up with him outr What are you gonna do with a squaring up against across this from somebody who is supposed to be all this and all that for the future of the league.

Boom this new corner. He bye bye bla he all this big fact con you about the square up with him outr What are you gonna do with a squaring up against across this from somebody who is supposed to be all this and all that for the future of the league.

Oh, he's finna get this work. Bright, So honey, he's gonna get his work. You hear me, He's gonna at this work.

Oh, he's finna get this work. Bright, So honey, he's gonna get his work. You hear me, He's gonna at this work.

You ain't beat when you stand there, Joe.

You ain't beat when you stand there, Joe.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

All of a sudden, some in the media have allowed this idea of roll.

All of a sudden, some in the media have allowed this idea of roll.

Off the yellow, rolled off the.

Off the yellow, rolled off the.

Red carpet because this is your cash cow. Why that idea has caught so much steam.

Red carpet because this is your cash cow. Why that idea has caught so much steam.

Blows my money because we are still talking about competition, which is a beautiful thing that y'all both have made millions off.

Blows my money because we are still talking about competition, which is a beautiful thing that y'all both have made millions off.

But let me ask your question.

But let me ask your question.

To Monica's point, that hot shot corner, he the top five pick. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, he's standing there, You're gonna roll up in the back of his legs.

To Monica's point, that hot shot corner, he the top five pick. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, he's standing there, You're gonna roll up in the back of his legs.

Oh, I see see, I see where you're going.

Oh, I see see, I see where you're going.

Said, no, no, no, don't see what I'm saying. Just like you fired off with Monica needs you to fire off, would you roll up.

Said, no, no, no, don't see what I'm saying. Just like you fired off with Monica needs you to fire off, would you roll up.

And technique trying to you know, you know, I don't don't. I'm not I don't take no chief shots, you know that.

And technique trying to you know, you know, I don't don't. I'm not I don't take no chief shots, you know that.

Okay, Well, so I'm.

Okay, Well, so I'm.

Staying with Shannon's example because now you're back to Shannon because you get in my nurse. Uh now, o Joe, you're not gonna do that. And tell me what percent of the league you probably think would probably agree with you.

Staying with Shannon's example because now you're back to Shannon because you get in my nurse. Uh now, o Joe, you're not gonna do that. And tell me what percent of the league you probably think would probably agree with you.

As far as not doing that.

As far as not doing that.

Yeah, no, no, nothing dirty.

Yeah, no, no, nothing dirty.

Probably probably about ninety eight percent, because there's a two percent chance that's some that really don't give to you know what, and they'll do it.

Probably probably about ninety eight percent, because there's a two percent chance that's some that really don't give to you know what, and they'll do it.

Okay, So I hate math. In fact, my parents said last time, he calls me a mathematician all the time. But let's you just grow with me for a second. We got eleven games, Yeah, you got one incident.

Okay, So I hate math. In fact, my parents said last time, he calls me a mathematician all the time. But let's you just grow with me for a second. We got eleven games, Yeah, you got one incident.

I think that's a little less than ten percent of the events so far in which this has happened.

I think that's a little less than ten percent of the events so far in which this has happened.

To have a conversation.

To have a conversation.

So I just I just want us to hear out that competing because you have been deemed the next step is a part of competition, man or woman. Right, we all agree that Kennedy Carter had a bad look. We all agreed that was a bad look for her, and I'm not making an excuse for that.

So I just I just want us to hear out that competing because you have been deemed the next step is a part of competition, man or woman. Right, we all agree that Kennedy Carter had a bad look. We all agreed that was a bad look for her, and I'm not making an excuse for that.

I think the thing is also Monica, who did the look, given her track record, and who the look happened to?

I think the thing is also Monica, who did the look, given her track record, and who the look happened to?

Ocho.

Ocho.

I used the argument this morning Trent Green got hit in the pocket in his.

I used the argument this morning Trent Green got hit in the pocket in his.

Knee, and they didn't train the rules.

Knee, and they didn't train the rules.

Eleven years later, eight years, nine years later, Tom Brady got hit in the knee. What do they do to the rules about hitting the quarterback below the waist? Ojoe Andy changed the rule right away. So I think Monica, to your point, had it not been had it been someone else that doesn't have the track record of Ms Carter, and if it wasn't on the person who she did that to, I agree with you. I don't believe the outcry would have been what it was, but it was because of who it was.

Eleven years later, eight years, nine years later, Tom Brady got hit in the knee. What do they do to the rules about hitting the quarterback below the waist? Ojoe Andy changed the rule right away. So I think Monica, to your point, had it not been had it been someone else that doesn't have the track record of Ms Carter, and if it wasn't on the person who she did that to, I agree with you. I don't believe the outcry would have been what it was, but it was because of who it was.

And I'm gonna actually add this, I think the fact that it wasn't called a flagrant on spot is probably what helped elevate this conversation.

And I'm gonna actually add this, I think the fact that it wasn't called a flagrant on spot is probably what helped elevate this conversation.

We're talking about bad inficiating across the NBA and WBA for how Abloma, you know what I mean. So literally, we get to call this morning that we're gonna leave the show with this, and I'm like, this is the most non story story I think we've ever let a show with because to me, it's just not.

We're talking about bad inficiating across the NBA and WBA for how Abloma, you know what I mean. So literally, we get to call this morning that we're gonna leave the show with this, and I'm like, this is the most non story story I think we've ever let a show with because to me, it's just not.

That big of a deal.

That big of a deal.

Hey, it may agree.

Hey, it may agree.

That that's not what Twitter, that's not what we're treated. That is say.

That that's not what Twitter, that's not what we're treated. That is say.

And you know how Monica, You've been in TV long enough. You know what what leads people like man, y'all, y'all do is talk about the cowboys. The cowboys. People want to talk about the cowboys. People want to talk about Caitlyn Clark. All of a sudden, to a large and larger percent want to talk about the w NBA, which is good. What is bad is that they're not talking about the wnbing a positive when you're looking at it in this situation and I get what, I get what you're saying. You're like, yeah, this is a nuanced conversation, and two things can be true. People want to compete. This was an isolated incident. There's not a whole lot of incidents where people are closed lining Clayland Clark, tripping or shoving or and doing petty things of that nature. So let's look at this. This is what it was. This happened, But let me ask you a question. Tell me you and I we talked about it, like, damn, where are teammates? Y'all saw the girl get clocked in the back like that? Oh, you know in football you do something to one. I got this, specially one of our main guys. But we got this. We got to get your back, Monica. But we gotta make it look like it's a part of football.

And you know how Monica, You've been in TV long enough. You know what what leads people like man, y'all, y'all do is talk about the cowboys. The cowboys. People want to talk about the cowboys. People want to talk about Caitlyn Clark. All of a sudden, to a large and larger percent want to talk about the w NBA, which is good. What is bad is that they're not talking about the wnbing a positive when you're looking at it in this situation and I get what, I get what you're saying. You're like, yeah, this is a nuanced conversation, and two things can be true. People want to compete. This was an isolated incident. There's not a whole lot of incidents where people are closed lining Clayland Clark, tripping or shoving or and doing petty things of that nature. So let's look at this. This is what it was. This happened, But let me ask you a question. Tell me you and I we talked about it, like, damn, where are teammates? Y'all saw the girl get clocked in the back like that? Oh, you know in football you do something to one. I got this, specially one of our main guys. But we got this. We got to get your back, Monica. But we gotta make it look like it's a part of football.

Okay, right, And I think making it look like a part of the game is a huge thing.

Okay, right, And I think making it look like a part of the game is a huge thing.

But I'm gonna tell y'all story. In college, we played Louisville and we actually got the rule change in women's college basketball because Louisville used to take a lap around the court, around the whole court.

But I'm gonna tell y'all story. In college, we played Louisville and we actually got the rule change in women's college basketball because Louisville used to take a lap around the court, around the whole court.

We were warming up home in y'all home stadium, and.

We were warming up home in y'all home stadium, and.

They did it everywhere. They did it at George, at Georgetown mcdonn Arena. We were on our side warming up. I'm not gonna name any of my teammates because I still love them.

They did it everywhere. They did it at George, at Georgetown mcdonn Arena. We were on our side warming up. I'm not gonna name any of my teammates because I still love them.

Dearly.

Dearly.

Somebody tripped up somebody from Louisville, and a brawling sued. Right, we made it. We made it the sports center in a little done and us done up, Like now, Monica, it's not a fighter. Do you know what I did in that moment?

Somebody tripped up somebody from Louisville, and a brawling sued. Right, we made it. We made it the sports center in a little done and us done up, Like now, Monica, it's not a fighter. Do you know what I did in that moment?

You scrap?

You scrap?

Now?

Now?

I grabbed the basketball and said.

I grabbed the basketball and said.

Y'all stop, we gotta yam.

Y'all stop, we gotta yam.

You know what hang to you.

You know what hang to you.

What I'm saying to you is if your DNA is not, I'm a gooon and I'm enforcing I'm finished. Scrap.

What I'm saying to you is if your DNA is not, I'm a gooon and I'm enforcing I'm finished. Scrap.

That's not a switch that you can just turn over. If I have, if I was on the baseline and we were, I was actually in the tussle that I have had the flight or fight right, but I was shooting a jump shot. I looked down they with scrapping, and I was like, oh no, we can't do this right.

That's not a switch that you can just turn over. If I have, if I was on the baseline and we were, I was actually in the tussle that I have had the flight or fight right, but I was shooting a jump shot. I looked down they with scrapping, and I was like, oh no, we can't do this right.

This idea that the personality is on the fever squad, all of it turn into enforce her.

This idea that the personality is on the fever squad, all of it turn into enforce her.

It look better who they are.

It look better who they are.

They go pick their teammate off the ground, They grab her, they encourage her to calm down, to take a deep breath.

They go pick their teammate off the ground, They grab her, they encourage her to calm down, to take a deep breath.

We're not in their practices. I don't think that this is Oh they.

We're not in their practices. I don't think that this is Oh they.

Must not love her like I think we might be reading a little bit too deeply in it.

Must not love her like I think we might be reading a little bit too deeply in it.

And y'all, they've won two games out of the eleven they played. They got some real things to worry about in terms of trying to win versus.

And y'all, they've won two games out of the eleven they played. They got some real things to worry about in terms of trying to win versus.

Trying to buy.

Trying to buy.

Yeah, but let me ask you a question.

Yeah, but let me ask you a question.

Could it be a situation if they were had a better winning record. It's like, man, y'all talk about this team, y'all talking about this person and she's shooting forty percent. They only won two games, y'all talking about it like she's STEWI y'all talking about them like they the Connecticut Son or the Aces or somebody. Come on, nine, do you as as as as women, do you, guys? Because I know, look, y'all keep talking about this and they ain't done anything, do y'all do you hear that and get fed up?

Could it be a situation if they were had a better winning record. It's like, man, y'all talk about this team, y'all talking about this person and she's shooting forty percent. They only won two games, y'all talking about it like she's STEWI y'all talking about them like they the Connecticut Son or the Aces or somebody. Come on, nine, do you as as as as women, do you, guys? Because I know, look, y'all keep talking about this and they ain't done anything, do y'all do you hear that and get fed up?

Like?

Like?

Hold on, bro, there are other people out there playing the game too.

Hold on, bro, there are other people out there playing the game too.

Now, come on, now, I know that this is not journalism one on one, oh show, but I'm gonna flip it right.

Now, come on, now, I know that this is not journalism one on one, oh show, but I'm gonna flip it right.

Back to you.

Back to you.

Up when you were competing at a high level, if somebody was appointed next up and their team was not, if the neighbor wasn't moving in the w column and you felt like you were better then and it had earned more accolades and attention, then, how was you gonna respond?

Up when you were competing at a high level, if somebody was appointed next up and their team was not, if the neighbor wasn't moving in the w column and you felt like you were better then and it had earned more accolades and attention, then, how was you gonna respond?

Yeah, I'm trying me anybody, anybody that had a name, I'm trying to embarrass them because I'm trying to elevate my name.

Yeah, I'm trying me anybody, anybody that had a name, I'm trying to embarrass them because I'm trying to elevate my name.

Yeah, that's the way.

Yeah, that's the way.

That's the way I. That's the way I. That's the way I went about it, Monica, is that I wasn't gonna do it now. All I needed to know, and I told can attest to this. All I needed to know. Are we playing snap the whistle or snapped the after the whistle?

That's the way I. That's the way I. That's the way I went about it, Monica, is that I wasn't gonna do it now. All I needed to know, and I told can attest to this. All I needed to know. Are we playing snap the whistle or snapped the after the whistle?

I just know.

I just know.

I So I just need to get in the right frame of mind how we gonna do it, because if we're being nasty, I just need to know at the start of the game, Okay, we're gonna be some nasty most folds for quarter I'm down.

I So I just need to get in the right frame of mind how we gonna do it, because if we're being nasty, I just need to know at the start of the game, Okay, we're gonna be some nasty most folds for quarter I'm down.

Yeah, I mean listen, even even though even though the Fever have only won two games, we have to we have to understand. Uh, the Cowboys they haven't won thirty some years, they still moved the needle. The Lakers they haven't won well, championship. I'm not I'm not sure if we count. There's an asterisk behind that. But again, the Lakers, they moved the needle. The Yankees they haven't won the World Series, I'm not sure and how long, but they moved the needle. Caitlin Clark, she moves the needle. Angel Reese, she moves the needle. I mean that, just that, just the makeup of it, and that's the way we'll always be going to be like that for a long time. I wish people would get comfortable with that. And that's the way it's gonna be. And you created, you created a different demographic, a different set of eyes, and they're going to enjoy the game. And now I'm excited to watch the WNBA because I want to see what's going to happen next, because I have no idea, I have no clue.

Yeah, I mean listen, even even though even though the Fever have only won two games, we have to we have to understand. Uh, the Cowboys they haven't won thirty some years, they still moved the needle. The Lakers they haven't won well, championship. I'm not I'm not sure if we count. There's an asterisk behind that. But again, the Lakers, they moved the needle. The Yankees they haven't won the World Series, I'm not sure and how long, but they moved the needle. Caitlin Clark, she moves the needle. Angel Reese, she moves the needle. I mean that, just that, just the makeup of it, and that's the way we'll always be going to be like that for a long time. I wish people would get comfortable with that. And that's the way it's gonna be. And you created, you created a different demographic, a different set of eyes, and they're going to enjoy the game. And now I'm excited to watch the WNBA because I want to see what's going to happen next, because I have no idea, I have no clue.

So oh tra I love that, And this is where I continue to stay more than one thing can be true. They have absolutely moved the needle. And I think Caitlin Clark and Andrews both are going to be all stars and superstars in this league. They are both rookies, right, and so I quite frankly the idea that she would see less than true competition again, obviously we are excluding non basketball and dirty plays. It's not only disrespectful to the rest of the league.

So oh tra I love that, And this is where I continue to stay more than one thing can be true. They have absolutely moved the needle. And I think Caitlin Clark and Andrews both are going to be all stars and superstars in this league. They are both rookies, right, and so I quite frankly the idea that she would see less than true competition again, obviously we are excluding non basketball and dirty plays. It's not only disrespectful to the rest of the league.

But it's disrespectful to her.

But it's disrespectful to her.

She we talked to her two years ago in Dallas at the NCAA Championship game, and you guys are probably all seeing the features at this point. Grew up playing with the brothers with the ultimate competitor, and.

She we talked to her two years ago in Dallas at the NCAA Championship game, and you guys are probably all seeing the features at this point. Grew up playing with the brothers with the ultimate competitor, and.

So as a competitor, you'll want to body square up across from you and take it lightly. You're trying to go through yourself.

So as a competitor, you'll want to body square up across from you and take it lightly. You're trying to go through yourself.

And so for me, the fact that we've lost that at the root of this thing, we are talking about competition and women competing at a high level. That is the part that bothers me the most. And then there's twenty eight years of this league being established, and then the last five the needle has moved, the charter, thing has been in motion. You got to shout out Mark Davis, the Vegas owner, Joe and Clara Ci, the liberty owners, like people that have really helped to put the pressure on these women receiving professional level of treatment. Has Kaylen expedited the process, Yes, but there's also been a groundwork that has been laid and so I just encourage all the new folks like you, O Joe, come on in, come on in and watch.

And so for me, the fact that we've lost that at the root of this thing, we are talking about competition and women competing at a high level. That is the part that bothers me the most. And then there's twenty eight years of this league being established, and then the last five the needle has moved, the charter, thing has been in motion. You got to shout out Mark Davis, the Vegas owner, Joe and Clara Ci, the liberty owners, like people that have really helped to put the pressure on these women receiving professional level of treatment. Has Kaylen expedited the process, Yes, but there's also been a groundwork that has been laid and so I just encourage all the new folks like you, O Joe, come on in, come on in and watch.

It before come one, come on Rob, you know, but take some notes. Well you start bumping them gums, That's all I ask.

It before come one, come on Rob, you know, but take some notes. Well you start bumping them gums, That's all I ask.

So let me ask because when I look at Kaylyn Clark and people look at her and they're like, well, oh, what about all that trash talking she was doing in college? What about all the stuff that she was shoving people down in college? They saw that, And so now her talking trash in college might intimidate some folks.

So let me ask because when I look at Kaylyn Clark and people look at her and they're like, well, oh, what about all that trash talking she was doing in college? What about all the stuff that she was shoving people down in college? They saw that, And so now her talking trash in college might intimidate some folks.

You come to the w these are grown women.

You come to the w these are grown women.

These women got kids, These women twenty five day, twenty eight, they're thirty years of age.

These women got kids, These women twenty five day, twenty eight, they're thirty years of age.

They don't care.

They don't care.

But then like and like I said, Monica, you oh you got the name. If I tear you up on the court, right, they're gonna be talking about me.

But then like and like I said, Monica, you oh you got the name. If I tear you up on the court, right, they're gonna be talking about me.

You know what, I think, there's a there's a learning curve as a rookie. My rookie year I was talking trash in college. My rookie year in the NFL. Well, I ain't say nothing. I didn't I didn't say nothing. I didn't even talk to the media until I got acclimated to the game. I understood the game, and the game started to slow down, slow down for me. So when your two came and I started talking once I figured it out it was a rap. I'm sure at some point Andeerie already talking since sister she hey, she she letting it fly. As soon as Caitlin Clark gets acclimated to the game and it starts to slow down for she and she picks it up, I guarantee she gonna be back to her talking her talking ways. I'm sure based on what we saw at Iowa.

You know what, I think, there's a there's a learning curve as a rookie. My rookie year I was talking trash in college. My rookie year in the NFL. Well, I ain't say nothing. I didn't I didn't say nothing. I didn't even talk to the media until I got acclimated to the game. I understood the game, and the game started to slow down, slow down for me. So when your two came and I started talking once I figured it out it was a rap. I'm sure at some point Andeerie already talking since sister she hey, she she letting it fly. As soon as Caitlin Clark gets acclimated to the game and it starts to slow down for she and she picks it up, I guarantee she gonna be back to her talking her talking ways. I'm sure based on what we saw at Iowa.

Mm hm, I think, oh Joe, you spot your spot on right. And but I think part of what has made this such a hot topic is that when a goat like Cheryl Soops, who was a multi time gold medalist, a four time w NBA champ, and umpteen time w NBA all started a woman, I have her first, the first woman to have a signature true for Nike. When she said there was a curve, it was she was hated. When Diana to Rossie said the curve at the Women's Final four, she was hating.

Mm hm, I think, oh Joe, you spot your spot on right. And but I think part of what has made this such a hot topic is that when a goat like Cheryl Soops, who was a multi time gold medalist, a four time w NBA champ, and umpteen time w NBA all started a woman, I have her first, the first woman to have a signature true for Nike. When she said there was a curve, it was she was hated. When Diana to Rossie said the curve at the Women's Final four, she was hating.

And I think for the new fans, I get it, y'all rolling with y'all, girl, you protected whatever, whatever, but that wasn't hey, that was people that have been here and watched this league. Those were truths, and that is okay, that's part of all of our journeys.

And I think for the new fans, I get it, y'all rolling with y'all, girl, you protected whatever, whatever, but that wasn't hey, that was people that have been here and watched this league. Those were truths, and that is okay, that's part of all of our journeys.

You're gonna hit a curve at some point.

You're gonna hit a curve at some point.

Yeah, especially for a guard.

Yeah, especially for a guard.

See people look at I say, bro y'all expecting her to be candas Parker when she comes back as rookie of when Rookie of the Year and Cannis is six ' four, Kaitlyn Clark might be what six foot Monica. So you're asking a guard to do something that is dominant big in college. Hey, Cannis Parking was legit. She could rebound, got your double digit rebounds where she was a nineteen ten, she was a defensive Player of the Year. She was tremendous, And I think everybody you look at Caitlyn. She led the nation in scoring at about thirty two points a game, led the nation of an assist. So automatically people automatically think, but she gonna come in and do a the NBA them women will not let that happen. You play harder against someone, it's just nature because you know they can embarrass you. You're nothing embarrass me, You're nothing to have me on Sports Center especially now, and I know EFP really covering the WNBA. Are you I'm nothing to be your highlight package. It ain't gonna happen, Monica. I'm sorry, it's not I do.

See people look at I say, bro y'all expecting her to be candas Parker when she comes back as rookie of when Rookie of the Year and Cannis is six ' four, Kaitlyn Clark might be what six foot Monica. So you're asking a guard to do something that is dominant big in college. Hey, Cannis Parking was legit. She could rebound, got your double digit rebounds where she was a nineteen ten, she was a defensive Player of the Year. She was tremendous, And I think everybody you look at Caitlyn. She led the nation in scoring at about thirty two points a game, led the nation of an assist. So automatically people automatically think, but she gonna come in and do a the NBA them women will not let that happen. You play harder against someone, it's just nature because you know they can embarrass you. You're nothing embarrass me, You're nothing to have me on Sports Center especially now, and I know EFP really covering the WNBA. Are you I'm nothing to be your highlight package. It ain't gonna happen, Monica. I'm sorry, it's not I do.

When this conversation come back up and I'm not around, I just want you to keep that same energy because and to me, that is beautiful. That is the point of competition and it should be celebrated.

When this conversation come back up and I'm not around, I just want you to keep that same energy because and to me, that is beautiful. That is the point of competition and it should be celebrated.

Yeah, Andrew Reeves had some comments today. Yeah, take a listen to just found what Angel Reeves had to say today.

Yeah, Andrew Reeves had some comments today. Yeah, take a listen to just found what Angel Reeves had to say today.

It all started from the National Championship game. And I've been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah, negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that we talk about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games. We got celebrities coming to games sold at arenas, like just because of one single game, and just looking at that, like, I'll take that role. I'll take the bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on and be that for my teammates. And if I want to be that, and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look back at twenty years and be like, Yeah, the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just because of one person.

It all started from the National Championship game. And I've been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah, negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that we talk about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games. We got celebrities coming to games sold at arenas, like just because of one single game, and just looking at that, like, I'll take that role. I'll take the bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on and be that for my teammates. And if I want to be that, and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look back at twenty years and be like, Yeah, the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just because of one person.

It's because of me too.

It's because of me too.

And I want you to realize that a lot of us have done so much for this game. And Kennedy has been here before, obviously, but there are so many great players in this league that have deserved this for a really, really long time, and luckily it's coming down.

And I want you to realize that a lot of us have done so much for this game. And Kennedy has been here before, obviously, but there are so many great players in this league that have deserved this for a really, really long time, and luckily it's coming down.

Yeah, talk yo, track, what you talk about man watching the game because of me?

Yeah, talk yo, track, what you talk about man watching the game because of me?

And she ain't lad because I'm one of them. Did you talk about thoughts? Thoughts on her comments? Monica? I love it. I love it.

And she ain't lad because I'm one of them. Did you talk about thoughts? Thoughts on her comments? Monica? I love it. I love it.

But and this is where we talk about, you're not gonna turn into somebody different overnight. Andres has never shot away from the mic. She's willing to wear that villain label, however unfair it may be, but she gets it in the Macro And what I love about Angel, even when she announced she was going pro and Vogue, she speaks about the Macro and she does that deliberately. That is not just oh, I'm gonna just throw in the women that have come before me, right, And I think that is important in what makes and what is endearing about watching her? But she's absolutely right.

But and this is where we talk about, you're not gonna turn into somebody different overnight. Andres has never shot away from the mic. She's willing to wear that villain label, however unfair it may be, but she gets it in the Macro And what I love about Angel, even when she announced she was going pro and Vogue, she speaks about the Macro and she does that deliberately. That is not just oh, I'm gonna just throw in the women that have come before me, right, And I think that is important in what makes and what is endearing about watching her? But she's absolutely right.

The girl I'm sorry I don't know her name, but the girl.

The girl I'm sorry I don't know her name, but the girl.

Streamed a Sky's preseason game on her phone, y'all and had im teen tens of thousands of viewers that.

Streamed a Sky's preseason game on her phone, y'all and had im teen tens of thousands of viewers that.

Were it was.

Were it was.

Wasn't it like an over a million it?

Wasn't it like an over a million it?

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

So there is a man she absolutely has been a part of creating that that demand. She's a huge part of this rookie class as well.

So there is a man she absolutely has been a part of creating that that demand. She's a huge part of this rookie class as well.

Well, we can't, we can't let Pat McAfee. I guess he watched us this morning and he was he had some coffee, he probably had an energy drink.

Well, we can't, we can't let Pat McAfee. I guess he watched us this morning and he was he had some coffee, he probably had an energy drink.

Do we have this sound? We can't play a side? Uh who? Monica? Well, I know you heard. I know you've heard it. I heard it now.

Do we have this sound? We can't play a side? Uh who? Monica? Well, I know you heard. I know you've heard it. I heard it now.

I think Pat got a little bit too amp. He forgot like, man, this live this. You know, normally we have a conversation like this, Monica, you and I, you and your girls off air. But we got a microphone and we got a camera with a red dot going. So what did you what what did you think when you heard p mac start going?

I think Pat got a little bit too amp. He forgot like, man, this live this. You know, normally we have a conversation like this, Monica, you and I, you and your girls off air. But we got a microphone and we got a camera with a red dot going. So what did you what what did you think when you heard p mac start going?

So I didn't actually watch it, but I read the transcript in all articles.

So I didn't actually watch it, but I read the transcript in all articles.

That came down.

That came down.

Honestly, y'all, my first thought was, Okay, here we go with this not being about race from a person who is late, right, And again, this is where I say, and I'm speaking honestly, clearly, concisely, this is where I say, multiple things can be true, right. I wonder what this would look like if Kaylyn Clark was black. She's proud of who she is. That's fantastic, right. But this is where all the layers of this conversation come in. The UNBA is a predominantly black women's league, but it's also largely a queer league, right, and the gender sexuality race. It's hard to parse this out of that conversation, at least for me as a woman, because I can't walk away from any part of who I am, right, and so his point about the other white chickens in the league that I've been bucket sure Stewing's the MVP.

Honestly, y'all, my first thought was, Okay, here we go with this not being about race from a person who is late, right, And again, this is where I say, and I'm speaking honestly, clearly, concisely, this is where I say, multiple things can be true, right. I wonder what this would look like if Kaylyn Clark was black. She's proud of who she is. That's fantastic, right. But this is where all the layers of this conversation come in. The UNBA is a predominantly black women's league, but it's also largely a queer league, right, and the gender sexuality race. It's hard to parse this out of that conversation, at least for me as a woman, because I can't walk away from any part of who I am, right, and so his point about the other white chickens in the league that I've been bucket sure Stewing's the MVP.

He he is one MOP.

He he is one MOP.

Championship with the Las veig Dt. Obviously we had a conversation about her as a go, right, But to act as if there is no space to sit back and just wonder again, all.

Championship with the Las veig Dt. Obviously we had a conversation about her as a go, right, But to act as if there is no space to sit back and just wonder again, all.

I'm asking for, folks, that have just joined is to open your mind. Ultimately, you may disagree, and that's fine, but you should be.

I'm asking for, folks, that have just joined is to open your mind. Ultimately, you may disagree, and that's fine, but you should be.

Able to be able to hold space to evaluate all the pieces that seem to be at play. Now, if you decide to pick up three instead of six, that's on you. But you got to be able to sit back and acknowledge all the pieces at play, just out of out of respect for humanity at large.

Able to be able to hold space to evaluate all the pieces that seem to be at play. Now, if you decide to pick up three instead of six, that's on you. But you got to be able to sit back and acknowledge all the pieces at play, just out of out of respect for humanity at large.

I would say, Monica, you said something very interesting and you would know better than I.

I would say, Monica, you said something very interesting and you would know better than I.

But I was thinking this, but I never said it. But since you brought it up, let's go here.

But I was thinking this, but I never said it. But since you brought it up, let's go here.

How much do you think predominantly black queer helps or hurt the WNBA.

How much do you think predominantly black queer helps or hurt the WNBA.

That's a loaded question, Shannon. I think the w in the last few years has done a great job of leaning into who they are.

That's a loaded question, Shannon. I think the w in the last few years has done a great job of leaning into who they are.

They are not hiding who these women are, and these women are hiding who they are.

They are not hiding who these women are, and these women are hiding who they are.

One thing about this rookie class has been their willingness to share their lives. But I had a chance to catch a great documentary this summer, a courtesy of the WNBAPA and I'm blanking on the name of the documentary, and I apologize, but it highlighted John Cuael Jones, Brianna Stewart and Unka a Guomaka right, and as veterans in this league, JJ's been an MVPNKA, Goomke has won a title and been an mvpubs been a multi time MVP and one championships. As veterans, they talked very honestly about opening up their lives right, because that was a big choice for them. And one of the commentators, Lindsay Gibbs and that at piece talked about being able to enjoy this league and celebrate these women even more when you get to know them, right, And I think that star power of this rookie class growing up with social media Kaitlin has two million, Angel has three million, Right, They've already been used to sharing their lives and so I think the w has leaneded on who they are. But as new audiences are getting to know these women, hopefully they find a way to strike a chord with them beyond just being basketball players. And so candidly, I'm not one hundred percent sure what happens in marketing meetings when you begin to look at who you want to partner with with the w MBA, because like we started this conversation, gender race and sexuality are parts of conversations that you just cannot escape.

One thing about this rookie class has been their willingness to share their lives. But I had a chance to catch a great documentary this summer, a courtesy of the WNBAPA and I'm blanking on the name of the documentary, and I apologize, but it highlighted John Cuael Jones, Brianna Stewart and Unka a Guomaka right, and as veterans in this league, JJ's been an MVPNKA, Goomke has won a title and been an mvpubs been a multi time MVP and one championships. As veterans, they talked very honestly about opening up their lives right, because that was a big choice for them. And one of the commentators, Lindsay Gibbs and that at piece talked about being able to enjoy this league and celebrate these women even more when you get to know them, right, And I think that star power of this rookie class growing up with social media Kaitlin has two million, Angel has three million, Right, They've already been used to sharing their lives and so I think the w has leaneded on who they are. But as new audiences are getting to know these women, hopefully they find a way to strike a chord with them beyond just being basketball players. And so candidly, I'm not one hundred percent sure what happens in marketing meetings when you begin to look at who you want to partner with with the w MBA, because like we started this conversation, gender race and sexuality are parts of conversations that you just cannot escape.

The documentary you're talking about is called Shattered Glass. There is NBA story.

The documentary you're talking about is called Shattered Glass. There is NBA story.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm glad you have this conversation because at the end of the day, you're like people like, well, go market, go market, but at certain times, you know, certain certain demographics you're trying to market too, because like when we go out, okay, we have to pitch.

I'm glad you have this conversation because at the end of the day, you're like people like, well, go market, go market, but at certain times, you know, certain certain demographics you're trying to market too, because like when we go out, okay, we have to pitch.

Okay, who are you trying to who are you trying to reach?

Okay, who are you trying to who are you trying to reach?

We we Club Shay Shape, Nightcap, We might not be able to reach wo an advertise or a sponsor try to reach. So it doesn't make sense for them to give us money if the people that they're trying to reach are not watching Nightcap, not watching Club Sha Shape, Right, And so what you're saying, Monica's like, okay, we got to appeal to the people that you're trying to reach. But to say that gay and queer people don't buy help and don't buy auto insurance, it's just not true to say.

We we Club Shay Shape, Nightcap, We might not be able to reach wo an advertise or a sponsor try to reach. So it doesn't make sense for them to give us money if the people that they're trying to reach are not watching Nightcap, not watching Club Sha Shape, Right, And so what you're saying, Monica's like, okay, we got to appeal to the people that you're trying to reach. But to say that gay and queer people don't buy help and don't buy auto insurance, it's just not true to say.

To say they don't go grocery shopping or buy cars, it's just not true.

To say they don't go grocery shopping or buy cars, it's just not true.

So they are people, they might have chosen an alternative life and that's outside of the norm. Whatever norm is. There's a new definition of norm now. But I believe that you can reach people because everybody that watches television, they're a consumer. You buy something, whether it's food, whether it's auto insurance with this, whatever the clothing, whatever the case may be, and they'll purchase something.

So they are people, they might have chosen an alternative life and that's outside of the norm. Whatever norm is. There's a new definition of norm now. But I believe that you can reach people because everybody that watches television, they're a consumer. You buy something, whether it's food, whether it's auto insurance with this, whatever the clothing, whatever the case may be, and they'll purchase something.

And when it comes to marketing and branding and WNBA and those that are queer are part of that community in general, that community to always sticks, always sticks together and support each other, so that marketing on that end should be easy anyway, it's common sense, especially when it comes to the higher ups in the execs that are sitting in positions of power. That's a no brainer as far as going to come to marketing and branding and doing it that way. Now, if they if they want some ideas, you know, from the true number one marketing and brander himself, I can I can guide them in which way.

And when it comes to marketing and branding and WNBA and those that are queer are part of that community in general, that community to always sticks, always sticks together and support each other, so that marketing on that end should be easy anyway, it's common sense, especially when it comes to the higher ups in the execs that are sitting in positions of power. That's a no brainer as far as going to come to marketing and branding and doing it that way. Now, if they if they want some ideas, you know, from the true number one marketing and brander himself, I can I can guide them in which way.

To go and on how to do it. Listen, that's what I did.

To go and on how to do it. Listen, that's what I did.

You might need to get some boardroom tables on shrub Monica.

You might need to get some boardroom tables on shrub Monica.

Let me ask you this because you know a lot of times black we used to have like who is in that room? Why are you talking trying to monitor, you know, market the blacks, and there's no blacks in the commercial. Would it help if there were queer gay in the rooms that can say, hey, guys, they have purchasing power. I don't know, I'm in California, man, they shut down. We hope gay pride is a big thing. That so somebody drinking beers, buy cocktail and buy a clothes mark.

Let me ask you this because you know a lot of times black we used to have like who is in that room? Why are you talking trying to monitor, you know, market the blacks, and there's no blacks in the commercial. Would it help if there were queer gay in the rooms that can say, hey, guys, they have purchasing power. I don't know, I'm in California, man, they shut down. We hope gay pride is a big thing. That so somebody drinking beers, buy cocktail and buy a clothes mark.

I just say it, somebody doing.

I just say it, somebody doing.

That, yeah, and listen. The marketing has improved, right, But if we wanted to get into the weeds and gosh, oh man, I should have pulled up all my research because there was a wonderful article done I want to say about two seasons ago that looked at what demographic still in terms of representing the WNBA still got the line's share of marketing opportunities, and it was largely straight white women. Now in two years, I do believe that there have been improvements made in that area. Right, And like I said, the WBAS leaned into who they are. These women are leaning int who they are. There's a number of queer athletes out of w that I could think of that have had commercials and are currently in commercials that are still airing and it's beautiful to see. And so I do think that things are changing. But just like in society, y'all, as painful as it is. Right when we start having conversations about this societal totem pole, people especially women that sit at identities shout out to doctor Alfie, my girl that have intersectional identities often don't have privilege, and so they're minimalized a little bit or not a little bit if they become minimalized. And so that again, that's a whole nother loaded conversation. And I'm not trying to tell anybody that they can't be a fan of this player or that player. But as you join this WNBA fanfare, welcome. It's room for everybody. There have been twenty eight years of groundworking and there have been numbers of opportunities of research, right, and then when you look at the demographics of this league, like just keep your mind open to what is the reality of someone else's experience that may not look like That's the part that's frustrated to me in this conversation y'all, Like one to hear ex athletes say, oh, just let her do whatever, and two folks that aren't taking the time to just do a little bit of digging about what the WNBA has been, how powerful these women have used their voices, what they stand for.

That, yeah, and listen. The marketing has improved, right, But if we wanted to get into the weeds and gosh, oh man, I should have pulled up all my research because there was a wonderful article done I want to say about two seasons ago that looked at what demographic still in terms of representing the WNBA still got the line's share of marketing opportunities, and it was largely straight white women. Now in two years, I do believe that there have been improvements made in that area. Right, And like I said, the WBAS leaned into who they are. These women are leaning int who they are. There's a number of queer athletes out of w that I could think of that have had commercials and are currently in commercials that are still airing and it's beautiful to see. And so I do think that things are changing. But just like in society, y'all, as painful as it is. Right when we start having conversations about this societal totem pole, people especially women that sit at identities shout out to doctor Alfie, my girl that have intersectional identities often don't have privilege, and so they're minimalized a little bit or not a little bit if they become minimalized. And so that again, that's a whole nother loaded conversation. And I'm not trying to tell anybody that they can't be a fan of this player or that player. But as you join this WNBA fanfare, welcome. It's room for everybody. There have been twenty eight years of groundworking and there have been numbers of opportunities of research, right, and then when you look at the demographics of this league, like just keep your mind open to what is the reality of someone else's experience that may not look like That's the part that's frustrated to me in this conversation y'all, Like one to hear ex athletes say, oh, just let her do whatever, and two folks that aren't taking the time to just do a little bit of digging about what the WNBA has been, how powerful these women have used their voices, what they stand for.

Because it's beautiful it is, and thank you for opening up and sharing that with us. I mean, you know, you being around the game, you play in the game, you being a woman, yourself, You're better to speak to this in OHO than I because you're in that situation. There's no better person to speak to about a woman than a woman. And so sometimes you know, as men, we try to sit back and try to I don't know what it's like to have a baby, never had one, YadA, I don't want them kind of problem. So I like women when women talk about women and su Yeah, I can have an opinion, but I'm just speaking at it from a man's point of view. And sometimes we only see things through the prism in which we are. You know, if I'm looking from a mountaintop, I don't know what it's like in the valley because I'm on top of the mountain looking out. You being a woman playing basketball, playing in the w NBA. Who better to speak to issues like this than a person like yourself? But how often do how often when things like this. Do the W NBA, the PA, do they have you speak to the women that's coming into it. How many times do you go out and speak the women's group. Being who you are, being the platform that you do have, are you giving those opportunities to speak speak up for women?

Because it's beautiful it is, and thank you for opening up and sharing that with us. I mean, you know, you being around the game, you play in the game, you being a woman, yourself, You're better to speak to this in OHO than I because you're in that situation. There's no better person to speak to about a woman than a woman. And so sometimes you know, as men, we try to sit back and try to I don't know what it's like to have a baby, never had one, YadA, I don't want them kind of problem. So I like women when women talk about women and su Yeah, I can have an opinion, but I'm just speaking at it from a man's point of view. And sometimes we only see things through the prism in which we are. You know, if I'm looking from a mountaintop, I don't know what it's like in the valley because I'm on top of the mountain looking out. You being a woman playing basketball, playing in the w NBA. Who better to speak to issues like this than a person like yourself? But how often do how often when things like this. Do the W NBA, the PA, do they have you speak to the women that's coming into it. How many times do you go out and speak the women's group. Being who you are, being the platform that you do have, are you giving those opportunities to speak speak up for women?

So I was gonna let you rock with this, but I gotta check you one thing on my resume. I decided that I was done after college and wasn't all the dabbling I did not play in the W But also.

So I was gonna let you rock with this, but I gotta check you one thing on my resume. I decided that I was done after college and wasn't all the dabbling I did not play in the W But also.

I'm gonna have to get with the chad otro Sico agency to get me some more speaking engagements.

I'm gonna have to get with the chad otro Sico agency to get me some more speaking engagements.

Whatever you need, listen, listen. I have a marketing firm, a brand in firm. So anything you need, just just holler at me. I can I can get the ball rolling. I got you.

Whatever you need, listen, listen. I have a marketing firm, a brand in firm. So anything you need, just just holler at me. I can I can get the ball rolling. I got you.

Yeah, all jokes aside. I have had the opportunity to speak not just to women's teams, but like last year, I had a chance to talk to rap with the Los Angeles Rams right and just offering a different perspectives. As a member of the media, I do know that our friends and colleagues of China Robertson and that Gounke led a great media preparation session for the rookies coming in this season. And so the w and the PA are about giving their players resources, as are the NBA. Right, and so the league is just continuing to grow. And when you talk about this male counterpart, it has a fifty year head.