Hello everyone. Jake Delome here, former Carolina Panthers quarterback, lucky enough to be a Hall of Honor member in Carolina. Just play with good players, it helps you go along. And now I'm one of the color analysts for the Carolina Panthers, and I just wrapped up a great interview with Roman Harper, even though he played for the Saints, did play in Carolina at the end though. And also Charles Peanut Tillman of U. L. Lafayette Raging Cajun's. And this is the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

Hello everyone. Jake Delome here, former Carolina Panthers quarterback, lucky enough to be a Hall of Honor member in Carolina. Just play with good players, it helps you go along. And now I'm one of the color analysts for the Carolina Panthers, and I just wrapped up a great interview with Roman Harper, even though he played for the Saints, did play in Carolina at the end though. And also Charles Peanut Tillman of U. L. Lafayette Raging Cajun's. And this is the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast.

I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast.

And with me as always, I got my great hair.

And with me as always, I got my great hair.

H just call me your work wife and keep it my work. Thank you.

H just call me your work wife and keep it my work. Thank you.

This is Gail. There we go. I got Gail with me today right now. I was open last week. Is cool.

This is Gail. There we go. I got Gail with me today right now. I was open last week. Is cool.

So anyways, first of all, let me let's think the Carolina Panthers for hosting us here at the Panthers Vision Studio right here at the Bank of America. Thank you first and foremost. Now I'm really excited about our next guest. I know this man. I watched him growing up. I played against this guy. He is fiery, he is beautiful. He is from Louisiana.

So anyways, first of all, let me let's think the Carolina Panthers for hosting us here at the Panthers Vision Studio right here at the Bank of America. Thank you first and foremost. Now I'm really excited about our next guest. I know this man. I watched him growing up. I played against this guy. He is fiery, he is beautiful. He is from Louisiana.

Go ahead, I'm excited about this.

Go ahead, I'm excited about this.

Next guest, the Heart and Soul of a Cann played fourteen seasons in the NFL. He's in the Panther Hall of Honor. Now he's in the broadcasting and horses. I do believe you, no big time horses. And there's only eight Ring of Honor.

Next guest, the Heart and Soul of a Cann played fourteen seasons in the NFL. He's in the Panther Hall of Honor. Now he's in the broadcasting and horses. I do believe you, no big time horses. And there's only eight Ring of Honor.

Guys here at the Carolina Panthers show.

Guys here at the Carolina Panthers show.

So that says a rare air, that rare Man's got some good DNA ladies and gentlemen.

So that says a rare air, that rare Man's got some good DNA ladies and gentlemen.

Jake Delone to the show. Thank you very much, the show. Appreciate it. I you know, when you played with good players, they make you look good, no doubt, and you get tagged along sometimes. Yeah, you know, I'm not too proud to ad minute. The best thing about those is.

Jake Delone to the show. Thank you very much, the show. Appreciate it. I you know, when you played with good players, they make you look good, no doubt, and you get tagged along sometimes. Yeah, you know, I'm not too proud to ad minute. The best thing about those is.

He went to the University of Louisiana. Yes, you saying what's your chest saying like you it means.

He went to the University of Louisiana. Yes, you saying what's your chest saying like you it means.

Something to you. Well it's not. It doesn't mean that much. But for Jake, you are Lafayette.

Something to you. Well it's not. It doesn't mean that much. But for Jake, you are Lafayette.

He knows how much I love Louisiana. I have a very big presence in Louisiana, and I love seeing this guy and I know him being from boat Bridge down in Kadiana.

He knows how much I love Louisiana. I have a very big presence in Louisiana, and I love seeing this guy and I know him being from boat Bridge down in Kadiana.

This guy is hey, man.

This guy is hey, man.

He's back, He's there. There's no doubt, man, my ball. I love it because my accent. Yeah, everybody, I listen, I don't have I don't have one. No, I am from bro Bridge, Louisiana. I'm actually from a little area called a slubt.

He's back, He's there. There's no doubt, man, my ball. I love it because my accent. Yeah, everybody, I listen, I don't have I don't have one. No, I am from bro Bridge, Louisiana. I'm actually from a little area called a slubt.

You don't really want to know, right outside Lafayette, right outside bro Bridge, he said, LA Southwest. But you know how it is. That that's how they are.

You don't really want to know, right outside Lafayette, right outside bro Bridge, he said, LA Southwest. But you know how it is. That that's how they are.

They're different from New Orleans.

They're different from New Orleans.

Yeah, very different, different from bad U better I mean. And so it's I agree with you. We we need culture.

Yeah, very different, different from bad U better I mean. And so it's I agree with you. We we need culture.

I'm gonna claim it because I wanted to school there, So yeah, we better culture.

I'm gonna claim it because I wanted to school there, So yeah, we better culture.

I love it. That's why I said, my ball, I know exactly what it meant.

I love it. That's why I said, my ball, I know exactly what it meant.

Come on, I've hung out in LA. I've hung out in these places in Louisiana. So I've just always been a big fan of Jake. Just seeing him grow up. I was a big fan of his. I rooted for you guys so much in Super Bowl in two thousand and one. Was that three three? Yes, thirty eight thirty eight?

Come on, I've hung out in LA. I've hung out in these places in Louisiana. So I've just always been a big fan of Jake. Just seeing him grow up. I was a big fan of his. I rooted for you guys so much in Super Bowl in two thousand and one. Was that three three? Yes, thirty eight thirty eight?

I knew it was one was in college.

I knew it was one was in college.

I was rooting for you guys. I really fell in love your gunslinger mentality. Steve Smith was bawling Julius peppersah when I don't know if anybody was rooting for you, but I was in Alabama rooting for you guys. Kind of tell us about that running how you guys kind of got hot?

I was rooting for you guys. I really fell in love your gunslinger mentality. Steve Smith was bawling Julius peppersah when I don't know if anybody was rooting for you, but I was in Alabama rooting for you guys. Kind of tell us about that running how you guys kind of got hot?

Listen. You know, I come here from the Saints. I was with the Saints for six years, and I was just that guy, you know, just undrafted, hanging on yep, okay, and practice squad and uh, the next year practice squad. I set the NFL Europe twice, so I can't even start an NFL Europe. Really couldn't even start the first year. I'm backing up a twenty six year old arena league football player named Kurt Warner, and I remember, yeah, that's.

Listen. You know, I come here from the Saints. I was with the Saints for six years, and I was just that guy, you know, just undrafted, hanging on yep, okay, and practice squad and uh, the next year practice squad. I set the NFL Europe twice, so I can't even start an NFL Europe. Really couldn't even start the first year. I'm backing up a twenty six year old arena league football player named Kurt Warner, and I remember, yeah, that's.

Crazy, but the NFL Europe was so good for all the.

Crazy, but the NFL Europe was so good for all the.

Yeah it was. We got sent over there and Frankfort. I was Amsterdam in ninety eight, didn't play because of you know that Hall of Fame or Kurt Warner. Then I went over in Frankfort in ninety nine. Okay, yeah, so and it was I remember calling home, go back to Kurt, and I would talk to my girlfriend who's not my wife, and then talk to my parents and I was scrimmaged today or whatever. It was good. How'd you do? I did? Well? What about the other guy's good? He's kind of got a quick release. It's kind of accurate. I mean like he's I don't know what you're gonna tell you. This guy's good good? You know that. I think he would be Kurt Warner. No, but I'm questioning myself. God, damn, I'm playing an NFL Europe. I can't even start how the NFL. Yeah, I was playing behind Kurt Warner. Yeah.

Yeah it was. We got sent over there and Frankfort. I was Amsterdam in ninety eight, didn't play because of you know that Hall of Fame or Kurt Warner. Then I went over in Frankfort in ninety nine. Okay, yeah, so and it was I remember calling home, go back to Kurt, and I would talk to my girlfriend who's not my wife, and then talk to my parents and I was scrimmaged today or whatever. It was good. How'd you do? I did? Well? What about the other guy's good? He's kind of got a quick release. It's kind of accurate. I mean like he's I don't know what you're gonna tell you. This guy's good good? You know that. I think he would be Kurt Warner. No, but I'm questioning myself. God, damn, I'm playing an NFL Europe. I can't even start how the NFL. Yeah, I was playing behind Kurt Warner. Yeah.

So when you actually went from Europe to the NFL, how tired were you?

So when you actually went from Europe to the NFL, how tired were you?

Because it was NonStop. It was non understanding. Yeah, because like, okay, so the off season starts and you reported to training camp in February. So you go, you have training camp in the States. You'd have it for a month and then you'd fly over the week before the first game wherever city you're in. Play ten games, and we were able to make the championship game, so that was eleven. Come back late May, early June. You might go back for a week or two because we used to finish what June sixteenth ish, and then you go to camp. So and listen, I'm different. I played quarterback. I didn't bang, I didn't hit like you guys are run. But yeah, so long year it is. But you're you're you're hanging on by a thread. You're trying to make a team. And that's kind of what it is. You're trying to make a team. And there's no every other position in the NFL. And you'll know this. You can put you can put five six dbs on the field one time, you can put four to five receivers on the time. Whatever. There's one quarterback, so there's only one football where you can play and gain experience. And so it was. It was fun. I love it. I love seeing the guys, the XFL, USF whatever, I like. I like seeing that guys get a chance.

Because it was NonStop. It was non understanding. Yeah, because like, okay, so the off season starts and you reported to training camp in February. So you go, you have training camp in the States. You'd have it for a month and then you'd fly over the week before the first game wherever city you're in. Play ten games, and we were able to make the championship game, so that was eleven. Come back late May, early June. You might go back for a week or two because we used to finish what June sixteenth ish, and then you go to camp. So and listen, I'm different. I played quarterback. I didn't bang, I didn't hit like you guys are run. But yeah, so long year it is. But you're you're you're hanging on by a thread. You're trying to make a team. And that's kind of what it is. You're trying to make a team. And there's no every other position in the NFL. And you'll know this. You can put you can put five six dbs on the field one time, you can put four to five receivers on the time. Whatever. There's one quarterback, so there's only one football where you can play and gain experience. And so it was. It was fun. I love it. I love seeing the guys, the XFL, USF whatever, I like. I like seeing that guys get a chance.

So tell me this, why did you choose to sign with the Panthers and not the Cowboys?

So tell me this, why did you choose to sign with the Panthers and not the Cowboys?

So because I was a decision. I was a free agent, yes, and I had never been a free agent before, and so I came. I had there was a few teams, but Carolina was going to give me a chance to compete. So was Dallas, Chicago, was another team, and that the GM at the time told my agent and it's I'm one of those guys I bank things like, yeah, he'll never be more than a backup, and so like, you know, no doubt you. And so I come here in my visit, had a great time on my visit and just loved everything about it. I got offered a contract, and it was a two year, five million dollar contract. Very we had just had our first CHILBD, my wife and I just had a few months prior, and so I made minimum. Everything was minimum for me. I never made so like man and in essence, the whole thing was almost guaranteed how it was structured. And so I was going to go visit Dallas. Well, they don't want to let you leave. And my agent, Rick Smith, the Priority Sports. Rick and Marty Hernie were very close, and he said, Marty, just trust me. Let him go visit Dallas. He said, this kid was never invited to the combine. He was never that guy. He said, I'm just telling you let him go. See he'll make the right decision. So I go to Dallas and I spent the majority of my time with the quarterback coach, Sean Payton fell in love with him. But here was the crazy thing. John Fox and Sean Payton were both coordinators for the New York Giants. John defense Shawn offensive coordinator, and they were like best of friends. Dan Henning was my offensive coordinator. Dan Henning's best friend in the world is Bill Parcells, hey, coach of Dallas. So when I left, Dan was like, Hey, don't listen to Bills crap. Bill's gonna tell you, Hey, I have racehorses too. You need to come over here. You know. Dan was giving me his spill, and so I go there and it was funny. Both places raved about each other. Yeah, you know. So I loved my time there. It was six hours from home. This was twelve hours from home coming to Charlotte. And it was a two year, four million dollar a day. It was a million less. Yeah, it was a million less. And listen, that's a lot of money. Now, that's a lot of money. Back then, I never made anything.

So because I was a decision. I was a free agent, yes, and I had never been a free agent before, and so I came. I had there was a few teams, but Carolina was going to give me a chance to compete. So was Dallas, Chicago, was another team, and that the GM at the time told my agent and it's I'm one of those guys I bank things like, yeah, he'll never be more than a backup, and so like, you know, no doubt you. And so I come here in my visit, had a great time on my visit and just loved everything about it. I got offered a contract, and it was a two year, five million dollar contract. Very we had just had our first CHILBD, my wife and I just had a few months prior, and so I made minimum. Everything was minimum for me. I never made so like man and in essence, the whole thing was almost guaranteed how it was structured. And so I was going to go visit Dallas. Well, they don't want to let you leave. And my agent, Rick Smith, the Priority Sports. Rick and Marty Hernie were very close, and he said, Marty, just trust me. Let him go visit Dallas. He said, this kid was never invited to the combine. He was never that guy. He said, I'm just telling you let him go. See he'll make the right decision. So I go to Dallas and I spent the majority of my time with the quarterback coach, Sean Payton fell in love with him. But here was the crazy thing. John Fox and Sean Payton were both coordinators for the New York Giants. John defense Shawn offensive coordinator, and they were like best of friends. Dan Henning was my offensive coordinator. Dan Henning's best friend in the world is Bill Parcells, hey, coach of Dallas. So when I left, Dan was like, Hey, don't listen to Bills crap. Bill's gonna tell you, Hey, I have racehorses too. You need to come over here. You know. Dan was giving me his spill, and so I go there and it was funny. Both places raved about each other. Yeah, you know. So I loved my time there. It was six hours from home. This was twelve hours from home coming to Charlotte. And it was a two year, four million dollar a day. It was a million less. Yeah, it was a million less. And listen, that's a lot of money. Now, that's a lot of money. Back then, I never made anything.

Especially like hey, this is the this might be because you've been hanging on this might be my only ones.

Especially like hey, this is the this might be because you've been hanging on this might be my only ones.

I gotta go. And so I'm so glad Carolina. And so it was going back and forth and I wasn't sure and Sean was like, hey, Jerry Jones was not there. He was flying in that night and I was supposed to fly back that night. And so one day visit and my wife, I kind of go talk to her on the phone. I don't even know if I had a cell phone at the time, you know, And she was like, stay overnight. Just let Jerry meet you. If this is where you want to be, let him meet you. And I'm like, you know whatever. So afternoon goes on. The money's not budget. My agent told me, he goes, if you're ever gonna listen to me in your life, you cannot sign with Dallas. Said why. I said, they're not ready to win. He said, I'm telling you they sell the baseball players at the time, Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter. Yeah. So he said they're not ready. He said, I'm telling you Carolina is on the cuff. He goes, just trust me when I tell you they have built something there. They just need a few pieces. So I'm like scrambling. So and I said, Sean was like, hey, stay overnight, Peyton, stay and I'm like, I need to go make a phone call. So I go and I'm going into the office that they made me make that. I made a phone call earlier, you know, pres nine to get out it's locked. And the guy was like, why is that locked? And the only door was opened was this morning? He was come in here. So I went and I sat down and I'm on the phone and I'm talking to my wife. Yeah, I'm my wife here because we and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And I look up and I kid you not. There was sticky notes, all different sizes and it was Charlotte Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte Charlotte. Who was Charlotte Jones Jerry's daughter's office. They put me in the call. I'm sorry a sign. I'm a big I'm a deeply religious guy, like I just think the Good Lord put signs. Yeah. I told my wife coming home and I hung up the phone. I went to the airport. Carolina. Wow, I'm telling you, I think the big man upstairs has had something to do with it. I kid you like that, I like that. We'll be right back.

I gotta go. And so I'm so glad Carolina. And so it was going back and forth and I wasn't sure and Sean was like, hey, Jerry Jones was not there. He was flying in that night and I was supposed to fly back that night. And so one day visit and my wife, I kind of go talk to her on the phone. I don't even know if I had a cell phone at the time, you know, And she was like, stay overnight. Just let Jerry meet you. If this is where you want to be, let him meet you. And I'm like, you know whatever. So afternoon goes on. The money's not budget. My agent told me, he goes, if you're ever gonna listen to me in your life, you cannot sign with Dallas. Said why. I said, they're not ready to win. He said, I'm telling you they sell the baseball players at the time, Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter. Yeah. So he said they're not ready. He said, I'm telling you Carolina is on the cuff. He goes, just trust me when I tell you they have built something there. They just need a few pieces. So I'm like scrambling. So and I said, Sean was like, hey, stay overnight, Peyton, stay and I'm like, I need to go make a phone call. So I go and I'm going into the office that they made me make that. I made a phone call earlier, you know, pres nine to get out it's locked. And the guy was like, why is that locked? And the only door was opened was this morning? He was come in here. So I went and I sat down and I'm on the phone and I'm talking to my wife. Yeah, I'm my wife here because we and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And I look up and I kid you not. There was sticky notes, all different sizes and it was Charlotte Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte Charlotte. Who was Charlotte Jones Jerry's daughter's office. They put me in the call. I'm sorry a sign. I'm a big I'm a deeply religious guy, like I just think the Good Lord put signs. Yeah. I told my wife coming home and I hung up the phone. I went to the airport. Carolina. Wow, I'm telling you, I think the big man upstairs has had something to do with it. I kid you like that, I like that. We'll be right back.

So with all the bouncing around in NFL Europe, and what moment in time did you know that you could be a starter in this league?

So with all the bouncing around in NFL Europe, and what moment in time did you know that you could be a starter in this league?

Whenever I had my first start December twenty fourth, nineteen ninety nine. We played the Dallas Cowboys on a Friday only only game. On that day, I got to start because we sucked at the Saints. I'll tell you that right now. Billy Joe Hobert was hurt, Billy Joe Tolliver was hurt. Danny wirfol I got. I mean, it was just the Sans wasn't good for a long time. We were two and twelve. We were terrible. Dallas was on the cuff of making the playoffs and they were going to start me. And it's a crazy story. Billy Joe Tolliver was the guy. But Billy was coming off of a moniscus and a rep. He had two things. So on the day before, Mike Dicka tells him Tolliver, he goes, hey, we're not gonna dress you no more. He said, Coach good, I'm gonna be okay. I'll be aild to back him up. He said no. He said, I want to give the kid a chance. He said, if he struggles, I'm gonna pull him and put you in. He said, that's not right to the kid. Yeah, So he undressed Billy. We play and I'm going. The game felt slow. The game felt normal to me because you don't know, you just don't know. And I remember getting out and my first pass was was intercepted. We're throwing a hitch. I throw it, Kavika Pittman jumps up, bats it, Darren Woodson intercepts it on the other side. I mean, first throw, first first throw. IM throwing a wide open hitch. I mean one, two three, and I let it go and Kavika jumps up. It's just one of those players and he hits it and bats it in the air, and Darren Woodson, I'm like, okay, look scratch it. But every time I go back and play like I didn't see this. Yeah, I saw this. I felt I was like, you know what, and we got rolling. We aboul get a touchdown to Eddie Kennison down the sideline, and just things kind of went from there in confidence. You start getting confidence. And then the next week we come play here, we get run out of the building Steve Burlin and Wesley Walls and we'll send Muhammad and all these guys, and Dickie gets fired, and so the guy I finally made headway with is gone. Jim has it comes in. But then Mike McCarthy was hired as an offensive coordinator and that's when my football eyes got open to the NFL quarterback school and I'll go to I'll go to my grave Mike McCarthy what he did with quarterback school, and that's the legendary quarterback school that Joe Montana did, Steve Young Ridge Gannon and they took it to Kansas City and it just kind of went down the line. Yes, and then McCarthy went to Green Bay and Farv would do something, but Farvar was well established. But Matt hassell back as if you ever talked to Matt Haskell quarterback school, Aaron Brooks, those guys, and we did the quarterback school stuff and it started March twenty first or whatever you'd report, and the off season we had to report three weeks prior and it was seven to five Monday through Thursday. That's off season. I mean there was no rules back then. And day one, this is where the center lines up from the huddle, this is where the guard lines up. And you go through every single page and then we had to get up on the board the quarterbacks all right, two jet protection, draw it up, block it up, where's your problems? Where's your answers? Okay? Two jet check, all right, twenty four protection, twenty two protects, seventy six protection, everything from from the ground up. So when we would go out in the practice field, we had already had it and the confidence just like, Okay, I get it now. That's how the game really, that's how it opened up in my eyes. And Mike McCarthy was very hard on me. And the reason I say that we had that year it was Jeff Blake as the starter and Aaron Brooks and I was the three and had a really good preseason, so they kept three and McCarthy I give him credit because he was hard on me in a way. He was like, hey, quarterback tip sheet, all the tips to the course of the week, and give it to Sondra who was the secretary. Have it to Sondra on Friday morning before we go out to practice. She'll type it up. And he said it better be good. Well. I took that as a challenge. So every during the course of the week, making notes, you know what our pressure alerts, our run game checks and this and that and just kind of what we thought about certain players, where the tendencies are and I took pride in it, and I remember doing it the first week. Yeah good. And I remember doing it the first week because shortly origin goal line was installed on Friday morning and I'm just grinding away finishing it and shortly rige goal line was the last thing because I had to get it to Sondra to type up before we left Friday, and I was proud of it. Man and the quarterback coach, Frank Signetty, he let it be known on the side that hey, they appreciate this tip sheet. I'm just just letting you know. And I need I needed to hear that because mcarthy weren't gonna give it to me. I mean, he was keep grinding. And then it just kind of went from there and I had to sit and watch. I mean, Aaron was Jeff Blake was playing great, he has Liz Frank. Middle of the season, Aaron comes in, We went this NFC South, we went a playoff game for the first time, and Aaron comes back. The next year, Jeff's back. I'm third string again. Yeah, but just keep your mouth shut. And it just kind of grew even more. And then the next offseason, Page one center lines up seven yards from the ball. Mike started over repetition every day and it just got and it just made it easy. The game slowed down. And that's when the game slowed down for me, and I knew it was time. I knew I was going to get an opportunity at some point toward the end of that year. In two Aaron Brooks had a Labraham deal and he could play somebody. It would flare up during the game, and I had to get thrown in there a couple of times, some important games. And I'll never forget. We're playing Sunday night Tampa in New Orleans and they won the Super Bowl that year. Loaded and sure enough we line up and we need one first down to ice the game, and I'm in the game, and we run it twice and then third down get I get to play call. You know, I left tight ninety three lead Z Key was z was the receiver, and we smoke. We throw smokes the smitty. It was Key back then. And I remember looking at Mike because we always took the key off late in the games. Don't let the ball hit the ground. We went clock to run, make them burn, And I remember looking over at the sideline and McCarthy's he knew and he did. I trust you. It's like whoa. So we line up and sure enough it comes. You know, Lynch comes down and he gets in the box and it's a reverse out because we and I and I took one step and when I came back, they all felled and Joe Horn it was it was a slant, the key man a slant and Joe Horn and I just hit him pum. He catches it first down. We sealed the game. And that was the trust factor, you know what I mean? That was you know, that was the trust factor that the coaches had in me. And I had to play again in Baltimore two weeks later, did well when I went.

Whenever I had my first start December twenty fourth, nineteen ninety nine. We played the Dallas Cowboys on a Friday only only game. On that day, I got to start because we sucked at the Saints. I'll tell you that right now. Billy Joe Hobert was hurt, Billy Joe Tolliver was hurt. Danny wirfol I got. I mean, it was just the Sans wasn't good for a long time. We were two and twelve. We were terrible. Dallas was on the cuff of making the playoffs and they were going to start me. And it's a crazy story. Billy Joe Tolliver was the guy. But Billy was coming off of a moniscus and a rep. He had two things. So on the day before, Mike Dicka tells him Tolliver, he goes, hey, we're not gonna dress you no more. He said, Coach good, I'm gonna be okay. I'll be aild to back him up. He said no. He said, I want to give the kid a chance. He said, if he struggles, I'm gonna pull him and put you in. He said, that's not right to the kid. Yeah, So he undressed Billy. We play and I'm going. The game felt slow. The game felt normal to me because you don't know, you just don't know. And I remember getting out and my first pass was was intercepted. We're throwing a hitch. I throw it, Kavika Pittman jumps up, bats it, Darren Woodson intercepts it on the other side. I mean, first throw, first first throw. IM throwing a wide open hitch. I mean one, two three, and I let it go and Kavika jumps up. It's just one of those players and he hits it and bats it in the air, and Darren Woodson, I'm like, okay, look scratch it. But every time I go back and play like I didn't see this. Yeah, I saw this. I felt I was like, you know what, and we got rolling. We aboul get a touchdown to Eddie Kennison down the sideline, and just things kind of went from there in confidence. You start getting confidence. And then the next week we come play here, we get run out of the building Steve Burlin and Wesley Walls and we'll send Muhammad and all these guys, and Dickie gets fired, and so the guy I finally made headway with is gone. Jim has it comes in. But then Mike McCarthy was hired as an offensive coordinator and that's when my football eyes got open to the NFL quarterback school and I'll go to I'll go to my grave Mike McCarthy what he did with quarterback school, and that's the legendary quarterback school that Joe Montana did, Steve Young Ridge Gannon and they took it to Kansas City and it just kind of went down the line. Yes, and then McCarthy went to Green Bay and Farv would do something, but Farvar was well established. But Matt hassell back as if you ever talked to Matt Haskell quarterback school, Aaron Brooks, those guys, and we did the quarterback school stuff and it started March twenty first or whatever you'd report, and the off season we had to report three weeks prior and it was seven to five Monday through Thursday. That's off season. I mean there was no rules back then. And day one, this is where the center lines up from the huddle, this is where the guard lines up. And you go through every single page and then we had to get up on the board the quarterbacks all right, two jet protection, draw it up, block it up, where's your problems? Where's your answers? Okay? Two jet check, all right, twenty four protection, twenty two protects, seventy six protection, everything from from the ground up. So when we would go out in the practice field, we had already had it and the confidence just like, Okay, I get it now. That's how the game really, that's how it opened up in my eyes. And Mike McCarthy was very hard on me. And the reason I say that we had that year it was Jeff Blake as the starter and Aaron Brooks and I was the three and had a really good preseason, so they kept three and McCarthy I give him credit because he was hard on me in a way. He was like, hey, quarterback tip sheet, all the tips to the course of the week, and give it to Sondra who was the secretary. Have it to Sondra on Friday morning before we go out to practice. She'll type it up. And he said it better be good. Well. I took that as a challenge. So every during the course of the week, making notes, you know what our pressure alerts, our run game checks and this and that and just kind of what we thought about certain players, where the tendencies are and I took pride in it, and I remember doing it the first week. Yeah good. And I remember doing it the first week because shortly origin goal line was installed on Friday morning and I'm just grinding away finishing it and shortly rige goal line was the last thing because I had to get it to Sondra to type up before we left Friday, and I was proud of it. Man and the quarterback coach, Frank Signetty, he let it be known on the side that hey, they appreciate this tip sheet. I'm just just letting you know. And I need I needed to hear that because mcarthy weren't gonna give it to me. I mean, he was keep grinding. And then it just kind of went from there and I had to sit and watch. I mean, Aaron was Jeff Blake was playing great, he has Liz Frank. Middle of the season, Aaron comes in, We went this NFC South, we went a playoff game for the first time, and Aaron comes back. The next year, Jeff's back. I'm third string again. Yeah, but just keep your mouth shut. And it just kind of grew even more. And then the next offseason, Page one center lines up seven yards from the ball. Mike started over repetition every day and it just got and it just made it easy. The game slowed down. And that's when the game slowed down for me, and I knew it was time. I knew I was going to get an opportunity at some point toward the end of that year. In two Aaron Brooks had a Labraham deal and he could play somebody. It would flare up during the game, and I had to get thrown in there a couple of times, some important games. And I'll never forget. We're playing Sunday night Tampa in New Orleans and they won the Super Bowl that year. Loaded and sure enough we line up and we need one first down to ice the game, and I'm in the game, and we run it twice and then third down get I get to play call. You know, I left tight ninety three lead Z Key was z was the receiver, and we smoke. We throw smokes the smitty. It was Key back then. And I remember looking at Mike because we always took the key off late in the games. Don't let the ball hit the ground. We went clock to run, make them burn, And I remember looking over at the sideline and McCarthy's he knew and he did. I trust you. It's like whoa. So we line up and sure enough it comes. You know, Lynch comes down and he gets in the box and it's a reverse out because we and I and I took one step and when I came back, they all felled and Joe Horn it was it was a slant, the key man a slant and Joe Horn and I just hit him pum. He catches it first down. We sealed the game. And that was the trust factor, you know what I mean? That was you know, that was the trust factor that the coaches had in me. And I had to play again in Baltimore two weeks later, did well when I went.

In, and I love like because everybody has these moments where all of a sudden, you like know, when you start to believe in yourself.

In, and I love like because everybody has these moments where all of a sudden, you like know, when you start to believe in yourself.

Yeah, and so you talked.

Yeah, and so you talked.

About the confidence is that these things, these plays, these certain moments that you vividly remember, were able to draw a picture for us and the viewers.

About the confidence is that these things, these plays, these certain moments that you vividly remember, were able to draw a picture for us and the viewers.

It's like, man, you go.

It's like, man, you go.

Through that and then you get to where now you're a starting quarterback for Carolina. You guys get on that hot streak and you guys are running the ball, You're making big explosive plays the Moose to Smitty and I want to know this, and that Super Bowl thirty eight you had a long touchdown past the moose five yards still the longest past in Super Bowl history. What was that trash talking you was doing, like on the way back, like.

Through that and then you get to where now you're a starting quarterback for Carolina. You guys get on that hot streak and you guys are running the ball, You're making big explosive plays the Moose to Smitty and I want to know this, and that Super Bowl thirty eight you had a long touchdown past the moose five yards still the longest past in Super Bowl history. What was that trash talking you was doing, like on the way back, like.

You were blessing, right, you were saying a prayer form right, talking to God, bless you.

You were blessing, right, you were saying a prayer form right, talking to God, bless you.

What would you say? I take exactly what happened, because we want to know. We were We were a chippy team and we yapped and that fourth quarter was crazy. It was it was nuts. And so that just was our like we had confidence, we had swagger. I mean, you played in Super Bowls. Yeah, yeah, at the end of those years when you're winning.

What would you say? I take exactly what happened, because we want to know. We were We were a chippy team and we yapped and that fourth quarter was crazy. It was it was nuts. And so that just was our like we had confidence, we had swagger. I mean, you played in Super Bowls. Yeah, yeah, at the end of those years when you're winning.

Especially the way y'all be saying, Louis the way, Yeah, you guys got there, exactly be Dallas here, We'll be saying, we'd be Philly and Philly.

Especially the way y'all be saying, Louis the way, Yeah, you guys got there, exactly be Dallas here, We'll be saying, we'd be Philly and Philly.

You know. It was just we were one of those so sure enough, you know, we run excell on a staple play and Moose doesn't. That's the pole point of the play and that on that particular coverage, Moose is running for the love of the game. Yeah, that's it. Well, I kind of slide a little bit with my funky little feet and then there's Moose, keep running. He never stops. He didn't look pretty. And I just see them. I just see the hook, you know. I let it go and he catches it. And so the first thing you do is you look for a flag. There's no fly. Well I take off running. Well, Rodney Harrison is walking, and if Rodney saw a fly walk past him, Rodney was gonna hit it. I mean, I was just Rodney hid anything. I said, I'm gonna run right by him and I'm gonna put my hands up and I said, I'm gonna get a cheap fifteen. And sure enough, that's what I did, and he, sure enough, he gave me the chicken wing with it. Hurt Rodney, You touched Rodney, hurt and whatever. And that's when I was like, yeah, you know, I said a few choice words and I don't even know what I said. My gibberish was coming out. Yeah, and so, but that was that was us, That's what that was. That was me. But yeah, I might have asked him or I might have said a couple of so I know you're in the in the horse business.

You know. It was just we were one of those so sure enough, you know, we run excell on a staple play and Moose doesn't. That's the pole point of the play and that on that particular coverage, Moose is running for the love of the game. Yeah, that's it. Well, I kind of slide a little bit with my funky little feet and then there's Moose, keep running. He never stops. He didn't look pretty. And I just see them. I just see the hook, you know. I let it go and he catches it. And so the first thing you do is you look for a flag. There's no fly. Well I take off running. Well, Rodney Harrison is walking, and if Rodney saw a fly walk past him, Rodney was gonna hit it. I mean, I was just Rodney hid anything. I said, I'm gonna run right by him and I'm gonna put my hands up and I said, I'm gonna get a cheap fifteen. And sure enough, that's what I did, and he, sure enough, he gave me the chicken wing with it. Hurt Rodney, You touched Rodney, hurt and whatever. And that's when I was like, yeah, you know, I said a few choice words and I don't even know what I said. My gibberish was coming out. Yeah, and so, but that was that was us, That's what that was. That was me. But yeah, I might have asked him or I might have said a couple of so I know you're in the in the horse business.

I've been on the horse a couple of times and one horse took off on me and I held on for dear life, screaming and cursing.

I've been on the horse a couple of times and one horse took off on me and I held on for dear life, screaming and cursing.

You know, how'd you feel like being that high up?

You know, how'd you feel like being that high up?

Because that's my fear when I didn't like it, I'm like, it's just I didn't like it because I didn't like it because I.

Because that's my fear when I didn't like it, I'm like, it's just I didn't like it because I didn't like it because I.

Wasn't in control.

Wasn't in control.

I wasn't in control. I was in Costa Rica and this horse just took off on me.

I wasn't in control. I was in Costa Rica and this horse just took off on me.

And you're probably going through the water. I'm on some.

And you're probably going through the water. I'm on some.

Rocks and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Like most people do right, did not work, but they feel you well, I don't know this. I paid two hundred dollars or two hundred pay sols or whatever it was, two hundred Costa Rican dollars and this horse, I'm saying, I don't even know how you say woa in Spanish.

Rocks and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Like most people do right, did not work, but they feel you well, I don't know this. I paid two hundred dollars or two hundred pay sols or whatever it was, two hundred Costa Rican dollars and this horse, I'm saying, I don't even know how you say woa in Spanish.

Anyway, I said, whoa.

Anyway, I said, whoa.

He didn't listen to me. He just did his own thing. Horses like full secretariat mode. Right now, I am screaming, yelling, doing everything. Have you ever been on a horse like full speed, just like just ears peel, pitch back, Have you ever been on a horse like full speed?

He didn't listen to me. He just did his own thing. Horses like full secretariat mode. Right now, I am screaming, yelling, doing everything. Have you ever been on a horse like full speed, just like just ears peel, pitch back, Have you ever been on a horse like full speed?

Just no, I mean I had a shelling pony growing up that. I thought I was going to be a jockey, and I was five, I'd go, of course I was gonna be. Did you even get into the business third generation? Oh so yeah. My grandfather was old cattleman, old farmer, was illiterate, spoke more better French than English. Yeah. I had property, horses and back you know, back then everybody had the horses and the crops and things like that, and they had these bush tracks. And so my grandfather he had race horses, but a lot of people did. I mean, that was common's normal. It was normal, and Dad always had it. I didn't grow up hunting, fishing and golfing, and I'm in sportsman's paradise. You lived down there. I didn't grew up doing that. We grew up in a barn. I went to school, played sports and the horses. That was my deal. And football gave me the chance to expand on it. And listen, I'm gonna tell you for me, we do all the work. I mean, like, yeah, we do it, but that helps spill the competitive void. I don't care what anybody says you finish this game, there's a competitive void. That's it's gone. And for me, I'm so blessed. I walked right into it. Because if you win as an owner in the game or a trainer twenty percent of the time in horse racing, that's that's that's a success rate. Okay. Yeah. You find me a quarterback that wins twenty percent of the games, he's cut. So I mean it's it, and it's every day, and it's just it's consistency, and you know, that's that's my love, that's my passion. Show I went. I went right into that. Yeah, And so that was my my grind, that's my every day. That's what I loved to do. So owner and trainer is it My brother trains and my dad trains, and I'm the owner. It's under set Hut is what we run to set Hut LLC. Yeah yeah, okay, so but I'm there.

Just no, I mean I had a shelling pony growing up that. I thought I was going to be a jockey, and I was five, I'd go, of course I was gonna be. Did you even get into the business third generation? Oh so yeah. My grandfather was old cattleman, old farmer, was illiterate, spoke more better French than English. Yeah. I had property, horses and back you know, back then everybody had the horses and the crops and things like that, and they had these bush tracks. And so my grandfather he had race horses, but a lot of people did. I mean, that was common's normal. It was normal, and Dad always had it. I didn't grow up hunting, fishing and golfing, and I'm in sportsman's paradise. You lived down there. I didn't grew up doing that. We grew up in a barn. I went to school, played sports and the horses. That was my deal. And football gave me the chance to expand on it. And listen, I'm gonna tell you for me, we do all the work. I mean, like, yeah, we do it, but that helps spill the competitive void. I don't care what anybody says you finish this game, there's a competitive void. That's it's gone. And for me, I'm so blessed. I walked right into it. Because if you win as an owner in the game or a trainer twenty percent of the time in horse racing, that's that's that's a success rate. Okay. Yeah. You find me a quarterback that wins twenty percent of the games, he's cut. So I mean it's it, and it's every day, and it's just it's consistency, and you know, that's that's my love, that's my passion. Show I went. I went right into that. Yeah, And so that was my my grind, that's my every day. That's what I loved to do. So owner and trainer is it My brother trains and my dad trains, and I'm the owner. It's under set Hut is what we run to set Hut LLC. Yeah yeah, okay, so but I'm there.

I mean that's you know, but you've named horses after players.

I mean that's you know, but you've named horses after players.

Absolutely, You've also.

Absolutely, You've also.

I would also like to know because I think you said, uh, horse racing is more nerve wracking than playing quarters.

I would also like to know because I think you said, uh, horse racing is more nerve wracking than playing quarters.

Absolutely, okay, so you're on that horse scare to death right absolutely? All right? So we go play a game, who's in Would you say you weren't in control, was not in control? You go play a game, who's in control? Control? Let me do this is exactly I'm in control. So we prepare a horse, we do everything ready, I mean, leading up to a big race. Er. I mean, like, you don't know. I don't know if he has a headache that day. You don't know. I don't know if he just doesn't feel that. I don't know. You can't tell me. I mean, we think we're gonna do everything in our in our power to get him him or her, you know, whatever it is. But like there's something about it. You talk. So. Jason Worth is the pro baseball player, the long haired guy from the Philadelphia Phillies. He is part owner of a horse named Dorknock who just won the Belmont, one of the Triple Crown races, and he just won this big race called the Haskell. Well there's video of him and they talk about it, and he talks about He goes, I'm way more nervous than I am going to the plate in the World Series game when I'm batting in Philly, but a pack because I'm way more nervous for all horse race. I don't control it. There's just something about it. It's the greatest thrill. And it's like owning your own franchise. It's like watching one of your children. I mean really and truly, I mean I think my children. I feel a little bit more about a little bit more attachment to my children with those horses. I mean, like, that's what you do every day. And I love football. Gave me a chance to get into this, and we do it. We do a lot of it our own. I mean it's we're there every day. We haul into the track with him in the bat mean it, my love? Man?

Absolutely, okay, so you're on that horse scare to death right absolutely? All right? So we go play a game, who's in Would you say you weren't in control, was not in control? You go play a game, who's in control? Control? Let me do this is exactly I'm in control. So we prepare a horse, we do everything ready, I mean, leading up to a big race. Er. I mean, like, you don't know. I don't know if he has a headache that day. You don't know. I don't know if he just doesn't feel that. I don't know. You can't tell me. I mean, we think we're gonna do everything in our in our power to get him him or her, you know, whatever it is. But like there's something about it. You talk. So. Jason Worth is the pro baseball player, the long haired guy from the Philadelphia Phillies. He is part owner of a horse named Dorknock who just won the Belmont, one of the Triple Crown races, and he just won this big race called the Haskell. Well there's video of him and they talk about it, and he talks about He goes, I'm way more nervous than I am going to the plate in the World Series game when I'm batting in Philly, but a pack because I'm way more nervous for all horse race. I don't control it. There's just something about it. It's the greatest thrill. And it's like owning your own franchise. It's like watching one of your children. I mean really and truly, I mean I think my children. I feel a little bit more about a little bit more attachment to my children with those horses. I mean, like, that's what you do every day. And I love football. Gave me a chance to get into this, and we do it. We do a lot of it our own. I mean it's we're there every day. We haul into the track with him in the bat mean it, my love? Man?

What are some well, first off, how many horses do you own? And what are some of their names?

What are some well, first off, how many horses do you own? And what are some of their names?

Okay, so I own right now, I guess on about twelve to fourteen race horses. I have some mayors and babies. They stay up in Kentucky at a buddy Mine's farm. I kind of buy and sell up there. I race in Louisiana. I'm on our board there four tracks. It's insane. So I've named a bunch of I'm named. I have one right now named Mangum and that's named after I tied d Chris Manga, and in watching his early development, you know, man, this is gonna be a solid little horse. And that's what Chris was a solid football player. Well he became a little more than solid. He was champion three year old in Louisiana last year, so that was awesome. I've named some. I have one that haven't run. He hasn't run yet. She will run this fall. I named her Khalil, after Ryan Khalil, and I'll tell you why I bought her to sale. I thought she was gonna cost a lot more, and I thought I stole her, and I thought we stole Ryan Kalil in the second round. I mean, very simple. I try to name. I named one ex clown after Steve Smith because this one has a little fire in him and he was full of muscle. I was Steve Smith, you know. I mean, I just I tried to name. I named one fifty protection. I've named one two jet, I'm named one seventy two Reno. I just I try to name I like that, you know, And I have one right now who you had Thomas Davis too? Man, Thomas Davis? What was that one? I would I don't have to edit that, so Okay, So I bought a horse. Is that his name is Violence? Oh? Oh? And I bought him. He was a year one years old black and he walked like a panther. I mean, just and it's funny. I bought in one of my buddies, or what You're gonna name him? I said, I gotta think of one, he said, who walked like a panther and just looked mean. I said, well, I said Thomas Davis. To me, I always thought of Thomas was just that. I just thought Tom was that guy. And you touch Thomas, it hurt. He has no muscles anywhere, but you just touch him and it hurt. And so I had to get permission to name in that because you can't just name so Thomas had to email me. I had to send the Jockey club. And we thought this horse was going to be a freak show. Like he was. He was showing all the signs. He was awesome. And it was in December at the Fairgrounds and I'm assuming you're going to say this, he's running his first race. And we had two races that day. One was this maiden race first time out, and the other one was the Louisiana Champions Day Classic, which is the best race in Louisian for Louisiana breads. I had one in that race. So we're running Thomas, he's running, he takes he takes a bad step and he flips in the turn, shatters his ankle. He has to be put down. I've never been so like the horse that never had a pimp on in his life. I mean, it was just one of these freak deals. You know, it was the most it was the worst thing in the world. So to make sure the jockey's okay, we go oh, you know, and he's you know, the vets are there. He has to go to l s U do a knee cropsy. I mean, it was just this is the way it is with horse racing.

Okay, so I own right now, I guess on about twelve to fourteen race horses. I have some mayors and babies. They stay up in Kentucky at a buddy Mine's farm. I kind of buy and sell up there. I race in Louisiana. I'm on our board there four tracks. It's insane. So I've named a bunch of I'm named. I have one right now named Mangum and that's named after I tied d Chris Manga, and in watching his early development, you know, man, this is gonna be a solid little horse. And that's what Chris was a solid football player. Well he became a little more than solid. He was champion three year old in Louisiana last year, so that was awesome. I've named some. I have one that haven't run. He hasn't run yet. She will run this fall. I named her Khalil, after Ryan Khalil, and I'll tell you why I bought her to sale. I thought she was gonna cost a lot more, and I thought I stole her, and I thought we stole Ryan Kalil in the second round. I mean, very simple. I try to name. I named one ex clown after Steve Smith because this one has a little fire in him and he was full of muscle. I was Steve Smith, you know. I mean, I just I tried to name. I named one fifty protection. I've named one two jet, I'm named one seventy two Reno. I just I try to name I like that, you know, And I have one right now who you had Thomas Davis too? Man, Thomas Davis? What was that one? I would I don't have to edit that, so Okay, So I bought a horse. Is that his name is Violence? Oh? Oh? And I bought him. He was a year one years old black and he walked like a panther. I mean, just and it's funny. I bought in one of my buddies, or what You're gonna name him? I said, I gotta think of one, he said, who walked like a panther and just looked mean. I said, well, I said Thomas Davis. To me, I always thought of Thomas was just that. I just thought Tom was that guy. And you touch Thomas, it hurt. He has no muscles anywhere, but you just touch him and it hurt. And so I had to get permission to name in that because you can't just name so Thomas had to email me. I had to send the Jockey club. And we thought this horse was going to be a freak show. Like he was. He was showing all the signs. He was awesome. And it was in December at the Fairgrounds and I'm assuming you're going to say this, he's running his first race. And we had two races that day. One was this maiden race first time out, and the other one was the Louisiana Champions Day Classic, which is the best race in Louisian for Louisiana breads. I had one in that race. So we're running Thomas, he's running, he takes he takes a bad step and he flips in the turn, shatters his ankle. He has to be put down. I've never been so like the horse that never had a pimp on in his life. I mean, it was just one of these freak deals. You know, it was the most it was the worst thing in the world. So to make sure the jockey's okay, we go oh, you know, and he's you know, the vets are there. He has to go to l s U do a knee cropsy. I mean, it was just this is the way it is with horse racing.

Now.

Now.

You can't give them an advil, you know, when it was fine, I mean, it was just it was a freak deal. So I was the most devastated I'd ever been in my life. And then two hours later in the Classic, we run a horse name touch upon a Star and he romps and he's the best horse ever had. He's the horse of the year. So yeah, so that's a kind of a type of story. But bro as an attachment man you get yeah, and then like I take it personal, like I'm not naming something just to name it after somebody. It's a belief that I had, you know, yeah, and we'll be right back.

You can't give them an advil, you know, when it was fine, I mean, it was just it was a freak deal. So I was the most devastated I'd ever been in my life. And then two hours later in the Classic, we run a horse name touch upon a Star and he romps and he's the best horse ever had. He's the horse of the year. So yeah, so that's a kind of a type of story. But bro as an attachment man you get yeah, and then like I take it personal, like I'm not naming something just to name it after somebody. It's a belief that I had, you know, yeah, and we'll be right back.

Is there a way to go about like recruiting the horses are like yes, when you when you see it, you're just like, okay, I'll tell you this explained.

Is there a way to go about like recruiting the horses are like yes, when you when you see it, you're just like, okay, I'll tell you this explained.

So there's a yearling sale. The yearling sales. When I say yearling is one years old, they're starting to start now, they had one in July, they're gonna have one next week, and then it's it's coming up this fall that you go by. Basically you're going to buy a junior high athlete in essence. Yeah, so you've.

So there's a yearling sale. The yearling sales. When I say yearling is one years old, they're starting to start now, they had one in July, they're gonna have one next week, and then it's it's coming up this fall that you go by. Basically you're going to buy a junior high athlete in essence. Yeah, so you've.

Got to be really good running by two and three.

Got to be really good running by two and three.

You can start at two. Yes, So you have a book, a catalog, you have family tree, lineage, and so that's all fine and dandy. But if I would go tell you, I want you to go look at these hundred horses, and I want you to go pick out who you want. And you're going to say, well, what do I look for? Go look for an athlete. I'll tell you right now, you go tell me what an athlete looks like what you think has balance walk scope everything. I want to look at his legs. I promise you could go do it. You know what they look like. You know you could see somebody walking on the street. You can too, you can tell me like, uh, this guy was something this he's kind of loose the way he walks. I mean, you can see it. I'm telling you could go pick out something. So it's the same thing horses. Well you and listen. I want lineage. I want family tree, you know. I want to look and I want to see, you know, I don't know. I want to see Archie Manning right here and Olivia Manning right here, and I want to see on the page Peyton Manning. You know what I mean. Yeah, okay, I would assume that lineage is gonna run, but sometimes that doesn't happen. But like I'm just telling you, you can go and you can pick out I'm telling you can do it.

You can start at two. Yes, So you have a book, a catalog, you have family tree, lineage, and so that's all fine and dandy. But if I would go tell you, I want you to go look at these hundred horses, and I want you to go pick out who you want. And you're going to say, well, what do I look for? Go look for an athlete. I'll tell you right now, you go tell me what an athlete looks like what you think has balance walk scope everything. I want to look at his legs. I promise you could go do it. You know what they look like. You know you could see somebody walking on the street. You can too, you can tell me like, uh, this guy was something this he's kind of loose the way he walks. I mean, you can see it. I'm telling you could go pick out something. So it's the same thing horses. Well you and listen. I want lineage. I want family tree, you know. I want to look and I want to see, you know, I don't know. I want to see Archie Manning right here and Olivia Manning right here, and I want to see on the page Peyton Manning. You know what I mean. Yeah, okay, I would assume that lineage is gonna run, but sometimes that doesn't happen. But like I'm just telling you, you can go and you can pick out I'm telling you can do it.

You know, it does matter huge in horse racing. That is the that's the lineage is the big thing and all that.

You know, it does matter huge in horse racing. That is the that's the lineage is the big thing and all that.

But you can't measure just like football, you can't measure inside that horn, can't You don't know who's going to find the finish line. Finish line.

But you can't measure just like football, you can't measure inside that horn, can't You don't know who's going to find the finish line. Finish line.

I'm glad they didn't measure lineage when it came to drafting me. But because my dad did not play no football. My dad was in a band.

I'm glad they didn't measure lineage when it came to drafting me. But because my dad did not play no football. My dad was in a band.

I mean, Jay, we could probably talk about horse racing.

I mean, Jay, we could probably talk about horse racing.

Yeah, that's my good. He got some geek movi.

Yeah, that's my good. He got some geek movi.

We talked about You're like, you could just tell like, no, no, no, this.

We talked about You're like, you could just tell like, no, no, no, this.

Is secretary to my favorite movie. I'm sorry, I just had to say it. Man.

Is secretary to my favorite movie. I'm sorry, I just had to say it. Man.

I love the details in which you you talk about the horses, the way you went about your craft football, the opportunities like the Mike McCarthy thing, and it's probably kind of the same in type of details you have to do now and also what you do with the Panthers calling the games right. Tell us how that experience has been now that you've been doing that a few years, and how they invited you.

I love the details in which you you talk about the horses, the way you went about your craft football, the opportunities like the Mike McCarthy thing, and it's probably kind of the same in type of details you have to do now and also what you do with the Panthers calling the games right. Tell us how that experience has been now that you've been doing that a few years, and how they invited you.

To do it. So listen, I'm a football junkie. I love football, love everything about it. I just loved it. So my career ends. I had some opportunities to do some stuff, and listen, I have a the Louisiana accent, you know, I get it. But I had some opportunities and I wasn't I wasn't ready. I was played a long time. I was thirty seven or thirty. I want to I want to go home, you know, I want to. Like I coach girls basketball for seven out of eight years my daughter's you know, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. I wanted to do those things, you know, soccer games, things like that, and it was in the works. I got asked to maybe do this over here a couple of times, and I was like, okay. Then it came two thousand nineteen. Kids have gotten older, kind of knew the direction they were going to go, and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I said, but I can't do not traveling sixteen weekends in a row. I don't want to miss stuff, said, not a problem. Jordan Gross and I with Tag Teamate and I fell in love with it. I'll never forget the first game we played the Rams and they're coming off their Super Bowl when they lost to New England. I watched all nineteen games leading up to the first game. I had my notes. I am like ready and Mick Mixon was the announcer at the time and making totally different yeah aass Mick and training camp. I was like, hey, I want to do a preseason game. And he said, I said, what do you mean. He said, I do make the television, not in the radio. And I was like, yeah, but I want. He goes, I'm gonna be just fine, and he gave me pointers, Hey, just talk to him, just tell a story. You're having a conversation. He said, it's not TV so different, it's not more details. And then you know, and our producer here, David Langdon like just little it's hey, we score a big touchdown, don't say anything home, let the crowd, Let the radio hear the crowd, you know what I mean. And it's like you start to learn and like, hey, if at that point, if Christian has a one yard game, you don't go in detail about it. What should we look for? What should we go little pinners like that? And so the first game happens, and I remember, in the middle of the first quarter, I'm like, I can't believe I watched all that film. I can't believe I did that. And you just start talking and it just felt conversational and like as a quarterback, and I think both of you ended up as safeties. You know, were you always a safety? But you play corner, you're on your island, you play safety, you're seeing everything. As a quarterback, I have to see everything. So I felt like could feel the game and see the game, and you can just kind of you can relate to people and talk to them because I like listening to other people talk. I love listening to other radio guys talk. And do I like them? What don't I like about them? Are they talking above not above my head? But like the normal viewers are they don't want to hear that? Then I understand it. Plenty enough friends that are not afraid to critique me, you know what I mean, Like yeah, ex players and they'll text, you know, like hey, good job, you know, like and that means a lot, and I don't need affirmation. So started doing it, fell in love with it, kind of went on, and then Jordan moved back home and became a head high school football coach at Fruitland High. A little difficult for him traveling and game planning on weekend, so Luke became involved and so and I didn't know. I knew Luke as a player, but I didn't know him as a person. And I told him, I said, Luke, listen, trust me when I tell you, like, don't over prepare, and I know that's not in your vocabulary. So we play in Cleveland, game one. And so we get there and I pulled out my index card and I have my notes, my keys of the game, and just I'm lucky. I can recall things fairly easy, so I can remember, and I had numbers pretty good. And Luke pulled out a Manila folder. It was a scouting report on every single player, special teams, backup scouting report on everybody. It's okay, game ended, it's over. He looked at me. He said, I went about fast. I said, yeah, I said, i'd your scouting report go. He goes, I never looked at it once. I said, no, it's just different. You're talking, and it's good for me. I bleed Carolina Blue, and I talked through a Panther lenz. You know, if that's great on Panthers Radio. Hopefully I want him to hurt with this. I want him to feel when we get excited, you know. And I'm not going to go or rate somebody like I've thrown a lot of awful interceptions, you know, like but if somebody throws a bad let's just okay. We have a bad pick. That's a past Bryce would want to have back, or that's something that you know what j C probably needs to make that play a corner, you know way, that's the way to do the thing that Juba mone have missed that whole. Like that's instead of you know, the sensation relation. Oh my sensations. What a terrible pass. Oh, I mean, come on, nont sensation anything. I don't know, that's just well. I want to be real and honest, but I want to be like, hey, I want you to feel my panther pride coming through. But like, listen, it's hard. Last year was difficult calling games, won two games, that's hard. And the frustration. I'm bruised on this side of my body from Luke Kid and me and now he's bruised on that side. We get frustrated. We want to win. We want these fans to holler, we want you know. That's but I love it. I love it. I just I'm sure I love doing it. I hope, so, I hope. So. So here's a here's a question I got asked.

To do it. So listen, I'm a football junkie. I love football, love everything about it. I just loved it. So my career ends. I had some opportunities to do some stuff, and listen, I have a the Louisiana accent, you know, I get it. But I had some opportunities and I wasn't I wasn't ready. I was played a long time. I was thirty seven or thirty. I want to I want to go home, you know, I want to. Like I coach girls basketball for seven out of eight years my daughter's you know, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. I wanted to do those things, you know, soccer games, things like that, and it was in the works. I got asked to maybe do this over here a couple of times, and I was like, okay. Then it came two thousand nineteen. Kids have gotten older, kind of knew the direction they were going to go, and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I said, but I can't do not traveling sixteen weekends in a row. I don't want to miss stuff, said, not a problem. Jordan Gross and I with Tag Teamate and I fell in love with it. I'll never forget the first game we played the Rams and they're coming off their Super Bowl when they lost to New England. I watched all nineteen games leading up to the first game. I had my notes. I am like ready and Mick Mixon was the announcer at the time and making totally different yeah aass Mick and training camp. I was like, hey, I want to do a preseason game. And he said, I said, what do you mean. He said, I do make the television, not in the radio. And I was like, yeah, but I want. He goes, I'm gonna be just fine, and he gave me pointers, Hey, just talk to him, just tell a story. You're having a conversation. He said, it's not TV so different, it's not more details. And then you know, and our producer here, David Langdon like just little it's hey, we score a big touchdown, don't say anything home, let the crowd, Let the radio hear the crowd, you know what I mean. And it's like you start to learn and like, hey, if at that point, if Christian has a one yard game, you don't go in detail about it. What should we look for? What should we go little pinners like that? And so the first game happens, and I remember, in the middle of the first quarter, I'm like, I can't believe I watched all that film. I can't believe I did that. And you just start talking and it just felt conversational and like as a quarterback, and I think both of you ended up as safeties. You know, were you always a safety? But you play corner, you're on your island, you play safety, you're seeing everything. As a quarterback, I have to see everything. So I felt like could feel the game and see the game, and you can just kind of you can relate to people and talk to them because I like listening to other people talk. I love listening to other radio guys talk. And do I like them? What don't I like about them? Are they talking above not above my head? But like the normal viewers are they don't want to hear that? Then I understand it. Plenty enough friends that are not afraid to critique me, you know what I mean, Like yeah, ex players and they'll text, you know, like hey, good job, you know, like and that means a lot, and I don't need affirmation. So started doing it, fell in love with it, kind of went on, and then Jordan moved back home and became a head high school football coach at Fruitland High. A little difficult for him traveling and game planning on weekend, so Luke became involved and so and I didn't know. I knew Luke as a player, but I didn't know him as a person. And I told him, I said, Luke, listen, trust me when I tell you, like, don't over prepare, and I know that's not in your vocabulary. So we play in Cleveland, game one. And so we get there and I pulled out my index card and I have my notes, my keys of the game, and just I'm lucky. I can recall things fairly easy, so I can remember, and I had numbers pretty good. And Luke pulled out a Manila folder. It was a scouting report on every single player, special teams, backup scouting report on everybody. It's okay, game ended, it's over. He looked at me. He said, I went about fast. I said, yeah, I said, i'd your scouting report go. He goes, I never looked at it once. I said, no, it's just different. You're talking, and it's good for me. I bleed Carolina Blue, and I talked through a Panther lenz. You know, if that's great on Panthers Radio. Hopefully I want him to hurt with this. I want him to feel when we get excited, you know. And I'm not going to go or rate somebody like I've thrown a lot of awful interceptions, you know, like but if somebody throws a bad let's just okay. We have a bad pick. That's a past Bryce would want to have back, or that's something that you know what j C probably needs to make that play a corner, you know way, that's the way to do the thing that Juba mone have missed that whole. Like that's instead of you know, the sensation relation. Oh my sensations. What a terrible pass. Oh, I mean, come on, nont sensation anything. I don't know, that's just well. I want to be real and honest, but I want to be like, hey, I want you to feel my panther pride coming through. But like, listen, it's hard. Last year was difficult calling games, won two games, that's hard. And the frustration. I'm bruised on this side of my body from Luke Kid and me and now he's bruised on that side. We get frustrated. We want to win. We want these fans to holler, we want you know. That's but I love it. I love it. I just I'm sure I love doing it. I hope, so, I hope. So. So here's a here's a question I got asked.

I was looking this up, and I don't think you knew or anyone else knew you were in all state dB.

I was looking this up, and I don't think you knew or anyone else knew you were in all state dB.

Yeah, in Louisiana. In Louisiana, ye, listen, I went to at my high school, now is a four A high school. Back then, we were single A. It was a small high school. We played. We had twenty five guys on the team, including freshmen. We played both ways. Yeah, we lost in the state Simmis. They ended up having like six or seven picks in the playoffs. Dud, You just stand back. He trying to be modestly. He's like, you just watched the quarterbacks eyes, man, you know what I mean.

Yeah, in Louisiana. In Louisiana, ye, listen, I went to at my high school, now is a four A high school. Back then, we were single A. It was a small high school. We played. We had twenty five guys on the team, including freshmen. We played both ways. Yeah, we lost in the state Simmis. They ended up having like six or seven picks in the playoffs. Dud, You just stand back. He trying to be modestly. He's like, you just watched the quarterbacks eyes, man, you know what I mean.

It's single high school for still saying something though corner deal safety Oh no.

It's single high school for still saying something though corner deal safety Oh no.

No, no safety safety. But you were playing quarterback too, thought I did? I kicked, We didn't come off the field.

No, no safety safety. But you were playing quarterback too, thought I did? I kicked, We didn't come off the field.

Damas play.

Damas play.