And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

What's up? Everybody?

What's up? Everybody?

Welcome to move to sticks. DJ, Buck with you, Buck? What's going on?

Welcome to move to sticks. DJ, Buck with you, Buck? What's going on?

Man? How you doing? Come on with DJ. I'm good Man, can't complain. I'm excited about your game over the course of the weekend on Monday night, so to be fun. You're part of the Harball Bowl, whether you or not, she would be a lot of fun looking for.

Man? How you doing? Come on with DJ. I'm good Man, can't complain. I'm excited about your game over the course of the weekend on Monday night, so to be fun. You're part of the Harball Bowl, whether you or not, she would be a lot of fun looking for.

You can shorten it shorten a little bit. The Harball coming up on Monday night. I'm excited. I am looking forward to it. It was a pretty awesome atmosphere. You know, NFL we've always talked about the difference between college and the NFL. The atmosphere always leans towards college. But uh, Sunday night Chargers Bengals was a fun That was a fun atmosphere, and I anticipate Monday night it'll be even better with the Ravens being in town. So it'll be a lot of fun watching that contest. We'll have time to, you know, break that one down as we get to next week, doing a remind everybody, next week we'll have three pods, so not the full five, but three with Thanksgiving coming up, which, by the way, that is next week. I've learned that.

You can shorten it shorten a little bit. The Harball coming up on Monday night. I'm excited. I am looking forward to it. It was a pretty awesome atmosphere. You know, NFL we've always talked about the difference between college and the NFL. The atmosphere always leans towards college. But uh, Sunday night Chargers Bengals was a fun That was a fun atmosphere, and I anticipate Monday night it'll be even better with the Ravens being in town. So it'll be a lot of fun watching that contest. We'll have time to, you know, break that one down as we get to next week, doing a remind everybody, next week we'll have three pods, so not the full five, but three with Thanksgiving coming up, which, by the way, that is next week. I've learned that.

I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you figured it more out than Thanksgiving is next week.

I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you figured it more out than Thanksgiving is next week.

Wanted it today.

Wanted it today.

I wanted to wake up today and have Thanksgiving. I know, and I can't. I can't wait for it. But I can't wait for that conversational Harbor. And the only reason why DJ is because obviously, you know, my attachments to the Jacksonville Jaguars and watching cultural things have suddenly become like must sy TV for me. So to watch Jim Harbaugh quickly go to LA and establish a culture change the environment here the players talk about the change in the environment has just kind of peaked my interest. When you think about what he has been able to do in LA, what John Harbaugh has been able to sustain in Baltimore, and then taking a shellacking in Detroit watching what the Lions have created, it has just made me more convinced than ever that culture environment matters more than the x'es and o's. Whenever you think about building a championship program.

I wanted to wake up today and have Thanksgiving. I know, and I can't. I can't wait for it. But I can't wait for that conversational Harbor. And the only reason why DJ is because obviously, you know, my attachments to the Jacksonville Jaguars and watching cultural things have suddenly become like must sy TV for me. So to watch Jim Harbaugh quickly go to LA and establish a culture change the environment here the players talk about the change in the environment has just kind of peaked my interest. When you think about what he has been able to do in LA, what John Harbaugh has been able to sustain in Baltimore, and then taking a shellacking in Detroit watching what the Lions have created, it has just made me more convinced than ever that culture environment matters more than the x'es and o's. Whenever you think about building a championship program.

Yeah, I know, and we'll have a chance to get into specifics of that game, but I do want to lead off a little bit with what you're talking about there, because we always love looking into culture and how things have changed. The thing that's unique getting a chance to see Jim Harbaugh, you know, on the inside, getting a chance to be close to it, see it every week and have seen training camp and different things. This is what my takeaway was. But maybe I didn't know from the outside. But something that I've learned is that I don't think often you hear these four words together. Toughness, discipline, those ride together, right, Those always ride together. Oh you are tough and discipline, positive and fun those usually ride together. They're all for of those things. Man, Like, it is tough, it is discipline, but they are overwhelmingly positive as a staff, and they have fun. They enjoy being around each other, they enjoy practice, they enjoy playing together.

Yeah, I know, and we'll have a chance to get into specifics of that game, but I do want to lead off a little bit with what you're talking about there, because we always love looking into culture and how things have changed. The thing that's unique getting a chance to see Jim Harbaugh, you know, on the inside, getting a chance to be close to it, see it every week and have seen training camp and different things. This is what my takeaway was. But maybe I didn't know from the outside. But something that I've learned is that I don't think often you hear these four words together. Toughness, discipline, those ride together, right, Those always ride together. Oh you are tough and discipline, positive and fun those usually ride together. They're all for of those things. Man, Like, it is tough, it is discipline, but they are overwhelmingly positive as a staff, and they have fun. They enjoy being around each other, they enjoy practice, they enjoy playing together.

So, like, how do you put it off? Because, like I would say this as a high school coach, like that is the delicate balnance, right, Like you want to you want to have a discipline program. You want to be tough, and so you think that you have to do some old school things to get that, But how do you also make it fun where guys want to show up and they want to do that. And look, we've talked about this guy John Gordon a lot, but he always talks about positive leadership, like he's written books on that. We talk about energy bus or positive leadership within teams, all of those things. How do you create that environment? Because I would say Jim Harbudd really does dance to dance when it comes to that. Like everyone knows what their teams are about. But when you hear the players talk about him, when you see him at the podium, like, it still looks fun, it still looks like you want to be a part of it. How do you derive that? And you're on the inside, you're on the inside, you behind the curtain seeing it.

So, like, how do you put it off? Because, like I would say this as a high school coach, like that is the delicate balnance, right, Like you want to you want to have a discipline program. You want to be tough, and so you think that you have to do some old school things to get that, But how do you also make it fun where guys want to show up and they want to do that. And look, we've talked about this guy John Gordon a lot, but he always talks about positive leadership, like he's written books on that. We talk about energy bus or positive leadership within teams, all of those things. How do you create that environment? Because I would say Jim Harbudd really does dance to dance when it comes to that. Like everyone knows what their teams are about. But when you hear the players talk about him, when you see him at the podium, like, it still looks fun, it still looks like you want to be a part of it. How do you derive that? And you're on the inside, you're on the inside, you behind the curtain seeing it.

Because I think people think that playing around is fun and work is hard. He's made work fun. That's that's the that's what he's done. And one of the ways he does that, Buck is when the practices are over in training camp and they're doing direct extra conditioning and they're flipping tires. Guess who's flipping tires with them? Yeah, coach, Yeah, I mean you know what I mean? He jumps right in. How are you gonna complain about it? As a twenty two year old when you got the fifty plus year old head coach with a bad hip who's doing the same stuff you're doing.

Because I think people think that playing around is fun and work is hard. He's made work fun. That's that's the that's what he's done. And one of the ways he does that, Buck is when the practices are over in training camp and they're doing direct extra conditioning and they're flipping tires. Guess who's flipping tires with them? Yeah, coach, Yeah, I mean you know what I mean? He jumps right in. How are you gonna complain about it? As a twenty two year old when you got the fifty plus year old head coach with a bad hip who's doing the same stuff you're doing.

Well, how about him playing catch? Like he doesn't seem like anything. But I listened to Alex Smith on the podcast talk about like just that part of him, him building a relationship by playing catch, and then Harball talking about, oh, you can learn so much about people when you're throwing catch with him and you go back and forth and all of that other stuff. I just think his intentionality when it comes to building relationships and what he does. And I mean people are talking about Justin Herbert, but look at how you build up Quinton Johnson, right, Quentin Johnson was viewed as a throwaway, like, ah, he's not any good, but he immediately came in and was like, Oh, he's gonna be great. He's gonna be like he breathes life in to these guys. And the program is the same program that it was that Michigan is hard. It's about physicality, toughness, work, extra work is the expectation. But no one, no one bristles at the notion of oh, oh no, this is what we expect to do. Like whatever I think He used to do a thing where you know how you have competitions, but the winners would do the push ups and he would use the old quote like Jonas Salk has a quote the greatest reward for doing is the opportunity to do more. And so there's this Jedi mind trick that he plays on people that, oh, you know what, when we win, guess what we get to do? We get to do more? Yeah? Like what? Like? No, it runs counter to what most people think. But he's found a way to make people really embrace that.

Well, how about him playing catch? Like he doesn't seem like anything. But I listened to Alex Smith on the podcast talk about like just that part of him, him building a relationship by playing catch, and then Harball talking about, oh, you can learn so much about people when you're throwing catch with him and you go back and forth and all of that other stuff. I just think his intentionality when it comes to building relationships and what he does. And I mean people are talking about Justin Herbert, but look at how you build up Quinton Johnson, right, Quentin Johnson was viewed as a throwaway, like, ah, he's not any good, but he immediately came in and was like, Oh, he's gonna be great. He's gonna be like he breathes life in to these guys. And the program is the same program that it was that Michigan is hard. It's about physicality, toughness, work, extra work is the expectation. But no one, no one bristles at the notion of oh, oh no, this is what we expect to do. Like whatever I think He used to do a thing where you know how you have competitions, but the winners would do the push ups and he would use the old quote like Jonas Salk has a quote the greatest reward for doing is the opportunity to do more. And so there's this Jedi mind trick that he plays on people that, oh, you know what, when we win, guess what we get to do? We get to do more? Yeah? Like what? Like? No, it runs counter to what most people think. But he's found a way to make people really embrace that.

Yeah, he's found a way to make the work fun. I mean, I just really think that's what it is. The competition's fund the work is fun. By the way, did you see the video of the organ video with landing and jump around?

Yeah, he's found a way to make the work fun. I mean, I just really think that's what it is. The competition's fund the work is fun. By the way, did you see the video of the organ video with landing and jump around?

No? No, no, I haven't seen it.

No? No, no, I haven't seen it.

You haven't seen this, No, you gotta WATCHOK, Wisconsin, So they play Wisconsin, right, think about Oregon going to play at Wisconsin. That's not an easy environment to go to. You know, it was going to be hyped up and everybody knows that they play jump around there and the place goes crazy. So he gets up in a team meeting like, I guess it's the Monday of that week. He gets up there and he goes, let me explain to you guys the story about Pavlov's dog. You guys know this, and he goes to the whole thing. He said, so ring the little bell, and then the dog knows what's up by the bell, and that that action is a response to the bell. It just trains him. So he said, every time you hear this song, jump around. I don't want you to be, you know, listening quiet or office said, we are going to embrace it, because that's going to mean that it's time for us to eat. We're the hungry dog and that is our bell. When we hear that song, I want you guys to dance around and enjoy it. And guess what we're gonna be playing at meetings. We're gonna be playing it in practice. And every time you hear that song, it's it's it's it's to let you know. Okay, let's turn it up. Let's absolutely turn it up. It's our time, it's our time to take care of business. So fast forward there in Madison, that song comes on, the whole Oregon team is jumping up and down and going bananas, going crazy. But like he took something that maybe was intimidating to other teams and said like, oh, it's on now, like this is our that's our that's our signal that it's go time. I was like, that is that is genius for college? Absolutely genius.

You haven't seen this, No, you gotta WATCHOK, Wisconsin, So they play Wisconsin, right, think about Oregon going to play at Wisconsin. That's not an easy environment to go to. You know, it was going to be hyped up and everybody knows that they play jump around there and the place goes crazy. So he gets up in a team meeting like, I guess it's the Monday of that week. He gets up there and he goes, let me explain to you guys the story about Pavlov's dog. You guys know this, and he goes to the whole thing. He said, so ring the little bell, and then the dog knows what's up by the bell, and that that action is a response to the bell. It just trains him. So he said, every time you hear this song, jump around. I don't want you to be, you know, listening quiet or office said, we are going to embrace it, because that's going to mean that it's time for us to eat. We're the hungry dog and that is our bell. When we hear that song, I want you guys to dance around and enjoy it. And guess what we're gonna be playing at meetings. We're gonna be playing it in practice. And every time you hear that song, it's it's it's it's to let you know. Okay, let's turn it up. Let's absolutely turn it up. It's our time, it's our time to take care of business. So fast forward there in Madison, that song comes on, the whole Oregon team is jumping up and down and going bananas, going crazy. But like he took something that maybe was intimidating to other teams and said like, oh, it's on now, like this is our that's our that's our signal that it's go time. I was like, that is that is genius for college? Absolutely genius.

How about that? And how about you with the little history lesson right there? Pav loves Dog? How about Yeah? About about DJ digging a little deeper to pull around? But I do love that, like lift it around. Oh you know what we're gonna do. We're going to take your thing and make it our thing. Yeah.

How about that? And how about you with the little history lesson right there? Pav loves Dog? How about Yeah? About about DJ digging a little deeper to pull around? But I do love that, like lift it around. Oh you know what we're gonna do. We're going to take your thing and make it our thing. Yeah.

Yeah, that's our call to action.

Yeah, that's our call to action.

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I was like, it's a genius they put you got to see the video. It's incredible. The way they put this whole video together is insane. Yeah, I want to I want I want to do a fun project here. In just the second, we're going to look at the teams picking at the top of the draft. We'll do that in a little bit and talk about who has the most work ahead of him and maybe who could be a little bit closer to turn in their program around. We'll get to that in just a minute. But there was a couple of numbers that I wanted to bring up with you. Buck was going through some of the PFF stuff and just sort of statistics and watching some tape and looking at different things. I was curious about a couple things. Let's rookie wide receivers, speaking of you know, Harball and the Chargers. Lad McConkie has been He's on pace for over a thousand yards. He leads all rookies with nineteen explosives, crazy nineteen explosives. And when you watch it, and I went through all those top receivers, watched all their targets today just I wanted to see it. He's you know, I would say BTJ, him neighbors, those are the three best route runners. But if you want to look at just pure route running and then transitioning with the ball on your hands, mcconki looks the best. As we sit right here at this point in time.

I was like, it's a genius they put you got to see the video. It's incredible. The way they put this whole video together is insane. Yeah, I want to I want I want to do a fun project here. In just the second, we're going to look at the teams picking at the top of the draft. We'll do that in a little bit and talk about who has the most work ahead of him and maybe who could be a little bit closer to turn in their program around. We'll get to that in just a minute. But there was a couple of numbers that I wanted to bring up with you. Buck was going through some of the PFF stuff and just sort of statistics and watching some tape and looking at different things. I was curious about a couple things. Let's rookie wide receivers, speaking of you know, Harball and the Chargers. Lad McConkie has been He's on pace for over a thousand yards. He leads all rookies with nineteen explosives, crazy nineteen explosives. And when you watch it, and I went through all those top receivers, watched all their targets today just I wanted to see it. He's you know, I would say BTJ, him neighbors, those are the three best route runners. But if you want to look at just pure route running and then transitioning with the ball on your hands, mcconki looks the best. As we sit right here at this point in time.

Now, I would say that I'm not surprised, and I would say that I'm not surprised given what he was able to do at Georgia over years. And I think it's really important to the scouts that are listening. That's why you don't just look at his final season. To me, you should look at the entire body of work DJ. For years, I would look at Georgia play and I'd be like, man, who is this dude beating the bats out of these dbs we talk about being the best, there was always Lab mccakey, and when you watch he's like, man, this dude catch his head. He he he can make he has some wiggle. He's a great route runner. When we talked to him, he has like some of that swag about him and in the offense. And we talked about it early in the week in the podcast where we talked about the cyclical nature of pro football and how the running game comes back, and so the running game then creates opportunities on play action in these deep things that you can do with deep sets. Well, now, when you put a great route runner in an offense that allows you to have some freedom to kind of really dance and sit people up for explosive plays, well, that's mcconkey's wielhouse. And when you talk about nineteen explosive plays and him being on track to lead all rookies, I can see that because it goes hand in hand. Typically, DJ, if you're a dominant running team, your passing game is a vertical explosive passing game and what the Charges have subtly done without having brand names on the outside. They become that team run it, run it, run it, throw deep, and it's working for them.

Now, I would say that I'm not surprised, and I would say that I'm not surprised given what he was able to do at Georgia over years. And I think it's really important to the scouts that are listening. That's why you don't just look at his final season. To me, you should look at the entire body of work DJ. For years, I would look at Georgia play and I'd be like, man, who is this dude beating the bats out of these dbs we talk about being the best, there was always Lab mccakey, and when you watch he's like, man, this dude catch his head. He he he can make he has some wiggle. He's a great route runner. When we talked to him, he has like some of that swag about him and in the offense. And we talked about it early in the week in the podcast where we talked about the cyclical nature of pro football and how the running game comes back, and so the running game then creates opportunities on play action in these deep things that you can do with deep sets. Well, now, when you put a great route runner in an offense that allows you to have some freedom to kind of really dance and sit people up for explosive plays, well, that's mcconkey's wielhouse. And when you talk about nineteen explosive plays and him being on track to lead all rookies, I can see that because it goes hand in hand. Typically, DJ, if you're a dominant running team, your passing game is a vertical explosive passing game and what the Charges have subtly done without having brand names on the outside. They become that team run it, run it, run it, throw deep, and it's working for them.

Yeah, he does a lot of it from the slot. I mean he can, he can get away from people, and it's to me, it's his transition stuff that he makes happen after the Catch's going to leave me to this next number that I want to get your thoughts on. Brock Bauers leads all rookies with four hundred and one yards after the catch. Yeah, so this is my theory if we're going to live in it. We live in a two high league, right, which is another reason why we've been talking about running backs kind of coming back in style a little bit. Are we and we all look, we have both had ours top tight end. There's no mystery there. He was clearly that guy. But going into the future, with the way defenses are playing now, should we put more emphasis on tight ends run after catch? You know, we're talking about feel and positioning and and those things. The tight end. Obviously it's nice if you have an in line, why who can block? But it feels like if those safety are going to be parked back there. Not only you know, do we want to be able to split the seam on casion. I want guys that can run with the pall in their hands and make things happen.

Yeah, he does a lot of it from the slot. I mean he can, he can get away from people, and it's to me, it's his transition stuff that he makes happen after the Catch's going to leave me to this next number that I want to get your thoughts on. Brock Bauers leads all rookies with four hundred and one yards after the catch. Yeah, so this is my theory if we're going to live in it. We live in a two high league, right, which is another reason why we've been talking about running backs kind of coming back in style a little bit. Are we and we all look, we have both had ours top tight end. There's no mystery there. He was clearly that guy. But going into the future, with the way defenses are playing now, should we put more emphasis on tight ends run after catch? You know, we're talking about feel and positioning and and those things. The tight end. Obviously it's nice if you have an in line, why who can block? But it feels like if those safety are going to be parked back there. Not only you know, do we want to be able to split the seam on casion. I want guys that can run with the pall in their hands and make things happen.

Yeah, I think is essential. And what we're talking about DJ right now, we're talking about the interior three when we relate to the passing game, and it's not only is the tight end, the slot receiver and the running back. Yep, that's where your explosive plays are nail coming.

Yeah, I think is essential. And what we're talking about DJ right now, we're talking about the interior three when we relate to the passing game, and it's not only is the tight end, the slot receiver and the running back. Yep, that's where your explosive plays are nail coming.

Maybe the Detroit Lions and those three spots.

Maybe the Detroit Lions and those three spots.

Oh man, I had to watch JAMR. Gibbs just scoot around like the hedgehog. Is the tight end splitting the seams, the slot receiver on catch and run concepts, and then it's also the running back on different things out of the backfield, whether it's screens, whether it's swings, whether it's option routes. The interior three working against the linebackers in safeties. That's now the cheat code for the offense. And if teams are going to live in that two high world where they're trying to take away the explosive plays, cool, We'll create our explosive plays in other ways and it's to tight in being able to make plays down to seam and run after catch, and then the inter you guys also being able to do the same.

Oh man, I had to watch JAMR. Gibbs just scoot around like the hedgehog. Is the tight end splitting the seams, the slot receiver on catch and run concepts, and then it's also the running back on different things out of the backfield, whether it's screens, whether it's swings, whether it's option routes. The interior three working against the linebackers in safeties. That's now the cheat code for the offense. And if teams are going to live in that two high world where they're trying to take away the explosive plays, cool, We'll create our explosive plays in other ways and it's to tight in being able to make plays down to seam and run after catch, and then the inter you guys also being able to do the same.

I'm looking at some of these top teams, you know. So the teams are the best record in the NFL right now, The Lions, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles, the Steelers, the Vikings, the Chargers, like those are the top teams right now. And I bet if you went through and we're to rank teams that with those three spots in terms of running backs, tight end slot receivers, they have at least two of the three that their offense can kind of run through, Detroit being the most obvious one with Amenross, Saint Brown, Laporto when he's out there healthy, in Gibbs like that as a vicious three. That's an interesting way to look at it.

I'm looking at some of these top teams, you know. So the teams are the best record in the NFL right now, The Lions, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles, the Steelers, the Vikings, the Chargers, like those are the top teams right now. And I bet if you went through and we're to rank teams that with those three spots in terms of running backs, tight end slot receivers, they have at least two of the three that their offense can kind of run through, Detroit being the most obvious one with Amenross, Saint Brown, Laporto when he's out there healthy, in Gibbs like that as a vicious three. That's an interesting way to look at it.

You know. But I feel like it's coming back around the other thing that we're soon going to see because for every reaction, there's a reaction, and so the reaction to offenses going spread was okay, on defense, we can go with these lighter linebackers, these dbs, We're gonna play nickel all the time and do that. Okay, offense said, Oh okay, we counter that, We'll come and find a way to create big plays and do that other stuff. So then the defense, Oh, we'll park the safeties back. You're not gonna have the deep ball. That counter is we're gonna run the football. DJ, how long before defenses are forced to change because they're getting gutted by the running game. They're getting gutted by these tight ends and slot receivers running down there. Doesn't change the scouting situation because before DJ, we started putting high grades on linebackers that we never would put on Always find he's two ten, we'll play with them. Think about j Okay, Jeremiah Willsue, Core Moore and the impact that he's had for Cleveland, which is substantial. But DJ, he was light. Remember we talked about safety. Is he a linebacker. It's going to have long term impact on how we view these other positions because we talked about positionless defense for so long and we still play that. When teams are really attacking us with the running game and hitting us down.

You know. But I feel like it's coming back around the other thing that we're soon going to see because for every reaction, there's a reaction, and so the reaction to offenses going spread was okay, on defense, we can go with these lighter linebackers, these dbs, We're gonna play nickel all the time and do that. Okay, offense said, Oh okay, we counter that, We'll come and find a way to create big plays and do that other stuff. So then the defense, Oh, we'll park the safeties back. You're not gonna have the deep ball. That counter is we're gonna run the football. DJ, how long before defenses are forced to change because they're getting gutted by the running game. They're getting gutted by these tight ends and slot receivers running down there. Doesn't change the scouting situation because before DJ, we started putting high grades on linebackers that we never would put on Always find he's two ten, we'll play with them. Think about j Okay, Jeremiah Willsue, Core Moore and the impact that he's had for Cleveland, which is substantial. But DJ, he was light. Remember we talked about safety. Is he a linebacker. It's going to have long term impact on how we view these other positions because we talked about positionless defense for so long and we still play that. When teams are really attacking us with the running game and hitting us down.

To seams, yeah, oh, it's going to be an action followed by a reaction. Here, I want to give you a couple other second year player stats and then you take whatever one of these interests you. But JSN, Jackson Smith and jig but was quietly having a really good year. He leads all second year guys sixty five catches, seven hundred and seventy eight yards. He leads in both categories, So he has taken off and kind of been what we hoped he would be coming out of Ohio State. Those two running backs you mentioned, Bijon's got eight hundred and thirty seven yards, Gibbs has eight hundred. Bijons forced thirty nine missed tackles. Gibbs has forced thirty four. Bijon's caught forty nine balls. Gibbs has caught twenty four. So I think it's interesting kind of where it is now. And Gibbs is so dynamic, but I thought Bijeon was a little more complete player, and just in terms of the physicality that kind of shows up a little bit. He's doing as much, actually doing more in the passing game. They're both elite players, but I thought last year we kind of left last year saying man like Gibbs should have clearly been the maybe the number one guy, and Bijean was behind him. I think that's kind of straightened itself out a little bit. Both exceptional players and then you know last charger nugget two y two we below to seven sacks right now for the charters, which is something again a theme that if you listen to us in the spring, power rushers, power rushers, power rushers, Jared Versun this year's class to below to in last year's class, that's what this league is. That's what this league is rewarding right now. It's guys that can get through you, not necessarily around you.

To seams, yeah, oh, it's going to be an action followed by a reaction. Here, I want to give you a couple other second year player stats and then you take whatever one of these interests you. But JSN, Jackson Smith and jig but was quietly having a really good year. He leads all second year guys sixty five catches, seven hundred and seventy eight yards. He leads in both categories, So he has taken off and kind of been what we hoped he would be coming out of Ohio State. Those two running backs you mentioned, Bijon's got eight hundred and thirty seven yards, Gibbs has eight hundred. Bijons forced thirty nine missed tackles. Gibbs has forced thirty four. Bijon's caught forty nine balls. Gibbs has caught twenty four. So I think it's interesting kind of where it is now. And Gibbs is so dynamic, but I thought Bijeon was a little more complete player, and just in terms of the physicality that kind of shows up a little bit. He's doing as much, actually doing more in the passing game. They're both elite players, but I thought last year we kind of left last year saying man like Gibbs should have clearly been the maybe the number one guy, and Bijean was behind him. I think that's kind of straightened itself out a little bit. Both exceptional players and then you know last charger nugget two y two we below to seven sacks right now for the charters, which is something again a theme that if you listen to us in the spring, power rushers, power rushers, power rushers, Jared Versun this year's class to below to in last year's class, that's what this league is. That's what this league is rewarding right now. It's guys that can get through you, not necessarily around you.

Well, it's becoming one where the ball is out so quick that the guys that are running around you you got to run right through the middle of the chest of the guy that is blocking you. And power rushers not only give you the opportunity to get after the pass with those board usting those things, they also have an inate ability to pla the run. To hear the story about Tully being super quiet and how Khalil Mack talked about this dude never talked and we finally got him to open up, and how he would sit at his knee and listen and take some of the seeds of greatness dj the natural mentorship that also happens is essential. You think about two Y being able to play with Khalil Mack, with Joey Bosa, the advantages of being able to see them go to work every day. We've talked about the committee situation. The committee situation isn't just about throwing a bunch of people out the bullpen, but it's having those guys being able to learn from one another. Von Miller may not be the player that he once was, but what's his impact on Greg Rousseau and Ed Oliver and some of the other guys that are able to watch him and listen to his past rush approach. Now, more than ever, it's the collective. It's the depth the talent of the people that you have in certain situations that would allow your team to play at the championship level.

Well, it's becoming one where the ball is out so quick that the guys that are running around you you got to run right through the middle of the chest of the guy that is blocking you. And power rushers not only give you the opportunity to get after the pass with those board usting those things, they also have an inate ability to pla the run. To hear the story about Tully being super quiet and how Khalil Mack talked about this dude never talked and we finally got him to open up, and how he would sit at his knee and listen and take some of the seeds of greatness dj the natural mentorship that also happens is essential. You think about two Y being able to play with Khalil Mack, with Joey Bosa, the advantages of being able to see them go to work every day. We've talked about the committee situation. The committee situation isn't just about throwing a bunch of people out the bullpen, but it's having those guys being able to learn from one another. Von Miller may not be the player that he once was, but what's his impact on Greg Rousseau and Ed Oliver and some of the other guys that are able to watch him and listen to his past rush approach. Now, more than ever, it's the collective. It's the depth the talent of the people that you have in certain situations that would allow your team to play at the championship level.

Yeah, it's you know, it really is something we talk about having somebody in every single room. If you could have ideally one of those leaders, one of those mentors in every single room, that would be huge. I just looked it up, by the way, because you brought up Russeau's name. Rousseau has fifty one pressures this year, which is seventh best in the league. So, man, he's having a heck of a year, someone that we both enjoyed visiting with. When we're going through the draft process, Buck, let's take a let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll look at these teams picking at the top of the draft and discuss who has the most work to do right after this? All right, here we go, Buck, Right now, your Jags would have the number one pick. How about that? Followed by the Titans, the Browns, the Giants, the Raiders, the Patriots.

Yeah, it's you know, it really is something we talk about having somebody in every single room. If you could have ideally one of those leaders, one of those mentors in every single room, that would be huge. I just looked it up, by the way, because you brought up Russeau's name. Rousseau has fifty one pressures this year, which is seventh best in the league. So, man, he's having a heck of a year, someone that we both enjoyed visiting with. When we're going through the draft process, Buck, let's take a let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll look at these teams picking at the top of the draft and discuss who has the most work to do right after this? All right, here we go, Buck, Right now, your Jags would have the number one pick. How about that? Followed by the Titans, the Browns, the Giants, the Raiders, the Patriots.

The Jets.

The Jets.

So I thought we would look at this and we can kind of go through it the first time, and we'll say, let's go major. Let's go, let's go with the designation of a major lift. Let's go with several pieces, and then say let's go with close. You know, so major lift. You know they need some pieces or they're they're actually close. So let's start. Let's work from seven down to one. The New York Jets, would you throw them in a major lift? A couple pieces, you know, several pieces are actually really close.

So I thought we would look at this and we can kind of go through it the first time, and we'll say, let's go major. Let's go, let's go with the designation of a major lift. Let's go with several pieces, and then say let's go with close. You know, so major lift. You know they need some pieces or they're they're actually close. So let's start. Let's work from seven down to one. The New York Jets, would you throw them in a major lift? A couple pieces, you know, several pieces are actually really close.

Major lift just because of the amount of confidence that they had in an older bunch of guys will make it where you need to blow the older guys out and you got to reset it with younger guys. This am intriguing young pieces on defense. This some intriguing young pieces on offense. There some unprovens on the offensive line that you got to figure out. But without a question, when you talk about a forty plus year old quarterback, you bring over DeVante Adams who's older. You have Tyron Smith and those other guys on the offensive line. You got to get younger and better. How do you do it all in one drafting and free agency? I have no idea how they get it done, but it's one of those things that you have to make sure that you're able to do it all right.

Major lift just because of the amount of confidence that they had in an older bunch of guys will make it where you need to blow the older guys out and you got to reset it with younger guys. This am intriguing young pieces on defense. This some intriguing young pieces on offense. There some unprovens on the offensive line that you got to figure out. But without a question, when you talk about a forty plus year old quarterback, you bring over DeVante Adams who's older. You have Tyron Smith and those other guys on the offensive line. You got to get younger and better. How do you do it all in one drafting and free agency? I have no idea how they get it done, but it's one of those things that you have to make sure that you're able to do it all right.

I'll take the other side of this and hear me out on this and see if you where you're at. Remember we do the championship foundation. Yeah, and we talked about the different pieces. If you look at it like, let's start like we talked about having three quality offensive linemen. Well, if you if you count Vera Tucker Fashanu is a rookie first round pick with a lot of talent, and Timman who's a solid young player, like those are three first second year guys with a lot of talent. So that would give you your three offensive lineman. You look on the defensive side of the ball, they've got plenty of guys up front, you know, when you're looking at the impact players they have, with Quinn being a, you know, an All Pro caliber player, Jermaine Johnson who's missed this year but was excellent last year. He's, you know, a potential blue level player, and Will McDonald's going to be double digit sack guy. So you've got and then you still have Hassan Redick at least for the time being. But I think you've got the pieces there. Quinn see Williams is a Pro Bowl level, you know, second level player, and they've got Sauce and Reed depending on what they do with DJ Reid in the offseason. But you've got solid corns.

I'll take the other side of this and hear me out on this and see if you where you're at. Remember we do the championship foundation. Yeah, and we talked about the different pieces. If you look at it like, let's start like we talked about having three quality offensive linemen. Well, if you if you count Vera Tucker Fashanu is a rookie first round pick with a lot of talent, and Timman who's a solid young player, like those are three first second year guys with a lot of talent. So that would give you your three offensive lineman. You look on the defensive side of the ball, they've got plenty of guys up front, you know, when you're looking at the impact players they have, with Quinn being a, you know, an All Pro caliber player, Jermaine Johnson who's missed this year but was excellent last year. He's, you know, a potential blue level player, and Will McDonald's going to be double digit sack guy. So you've got and then you still have Hassan Redick at least for the time being. But I think you've got the pieces there. Quinn see Williams is a Pro Bowl level, you know, second level player, and they've got Sauce and Reed depending on what they do with DJ Reid in the offseason. But you've got solid corns.

I think.

I think.

Really, to me, I will put I would say just a couple of pieces because I'm they're the most important. But I would say quarterback obviously needs to be fixed, and then I would say, you got to hire the right head coach. I feel like if they got the right head coach and the right quarterback of these teams up here in the top seven, I don't think there's I don't think there's a bazillion holes they got to go fill.

Really, to me, I will put I would say just a couple of pieces because I'm they're the most important. But I would say quarterback obviously needs to be fixed, and then I would say, you got to hire the right head coach. I feel like if they got the right head coach and the right quarterback of these teams up here in the top seven, I don't think there's I don't think there's a bazillion holes they got to go fill.

I think maybe because I say so far away, because I think those are the hardest pieces define right right, the right to leaders right, So you got the leader of the team, and then you get the leader of like the leader of the franchise and the head coach, and the leader of the team, which would be the quarterback. Man, it's been so hard to identify. And also maybe looking ahead to the twenty twenty five class, which quarterback brings you the promise that, okay, man, I can just hitch them to the wagon and we're gonna figure out a way to go. And can they take a reclamation project and get it done? For every Sam Donald, they are a bunch of other guys that never work out when it comes to But you're right though, they do have some intriguing young pieces. I just view it as far away just because I think it's really hard to find a head couch in the quarterback.

I think maybe because I say so far away, because I think those are the hardest pieces define right right, the right to leaders right, So you got the leader of the team, and then you get the leader of like the leader of the franchise and the head coach, and the leader of the team, which would be the quarterback. Man, it's been so hard to identify. And also maybe looking ahead to the twenty twenty five class, which quarterback brings you the promise that, okay, man, I can just hitch them to the wagon and we're gonna figure out a way to go. And can they take a reclamation project and get it done? For every Sam Donald, they are a bunch of other guys that never work out when it comes to But you're right though, they do have some intriguing young pieces. I just view it as far away just because I think it's really hard to find a head couch in the quarterback.

Yeah, the big holes. How about the Patriots look more pieces.

Yeah, the big holes. How about the Patriots look more pieces.

I like that they're playing hard. I feel like they found a quarterback in Drake May that you can build upon. We talked about the Josh Allen impact in terms of how Drake may can play. Maybe he has that Josh Allen factor to him. No receivers don't ever tie in like offensively, they're just so far behind the eight ball. You got to commit a lot to build them up, but a lot of pieces. But you have to be excited about the work given what the quarterback is displayed.

I like that they're playing hard. I feel like they found a quarterback in Drake May that you can build upon. We talked about the Josh Allen impact in terms of how Drake may can play. Maybe he has that Josh Allen factor to him. No receivers don't ever tie in like offensively, they're just so far behind the eight ball. You got to commit a lot to build them up, but a lot of pieces. But you have to be excited about the work given what the quarterback is displayed.

Huge offseason ahead, huge. They need to get after it in free agency and go get some blue level players. I feel like they've tried to kind of spread their resources around and just get guys to fill spots. They need impact players, and then they turn around and get impact player in the draft. But I mean, gosh, Drake gives them a lot of hope and a lot of confidence. That man. You look up and you know if they were to if they were to spend big money on you know, t Higgins name has been out there. You go get an offensive lineman and free agency, then you come back to me, you double down, maybe get another offensive lineman with the sixth pick where they're picking right now. Then that can change a little bit. But I yeah, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of work to be done, but it's a big off season. I would be optimistic, though, because it's like the opposite of the Jets got the most important piece. Man Like, I'd rather go shopping for five other things knowing I have the quarterback than to than to have the five other things and be looking for the quarterback.

Huge offseason ahead, huge. They need to get after it in free agency and go get some blue level players. I feel like they've tried to kind of spread their resources around and just get guys to fill spots. They need impact players, and then they turn around and get impact player in the draft. But I mean, gosh, Drake gives them a lot of hope and a lot of confidence. That man. You look up and you know if they were to if they were to spend big money on you know, t Higgins name has been out there. You go get an offensive lineman and free agency, then you come back to me, you double down, maybe get another offensive lineman with the sixth pick where they're picking right now. Then that can change a little bit. But I yeah, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of work to be done, but it's a big off season. I would be optimistic, though, because it's like the opposite of the Jets got the most important piece. Man Like, I'd rather go shopping for five other things knowing I have the quarterback than to than to have the five other things and be looking for the quarterback.

Yeah, because even if you think about it the other way, right where you have all the other pieces, you're just going to drop the game. Manage your type quarterback in there. It's still not it's not certain that it's going to hit. But when you have a franchise guy quarterback that you can see really quickly has the talent to take your team to the next level, it seems like it's just easier to build around him and what you bring. What you pointed out like a T. Higgins with a young quarterback more important to have a veteran receiver. I don't want both of my guys learning at the same time, my number one receiver and my quarterback. I would rather have someone that is savvy and already knows how to go about their business. So Drake make and just trust that I can fling it out there. He's going to be there. Yeah. The Patriots have a very important offseason ahead, but man, if they can get a playmaker or two. It's going to make life easier for them with the quarterback.

Yeah, because even if you think about it the other way, right where you have all the other pieces, you're just going to drop the game. Manage your type quarterback in there. It's still not it's not certain that it's going to hit. But when you have a franchise guy quarterback that you can see really quickly has the talent to take your team to the next level, it seems like it's just easier to build around him and what you bring. What you pointed out like a T. Higgins with a young quarterback more important to have a veteran receiver. I don't want both of my guys learning at the same time, my number one receiver and my quarterback. I would rather have someone that is savvy and already knows how to go about their business. So Drake make and just trust that I can fling it out there. He's going to be there. Yeah. The Patriots have a very important offseason ahead, but man, if they can get a playmaker or two. It's going to make life easier for them with the quarterback.

You go get that Penn State tight end and you pair them up with T Higgins. Now this offense gets kind of fun real quick. That would be hurt and hurt. It would be fun. That would be fun. I think this one is an easy one. The Raiders is a major lift. I mean there's a lot to do on that list.

You go get that Penn State tight end and you pair them up with T Higgins. Now this offense gets kind of fun real quick. That would be hurt and hurt. It would be fun. That would be fun. I think this one is an easy one. The Raiders is a major lift. I mean there's a lot to do on that list.

Yeah, a lot to do, just starting on the offense. Man, you have brought by Resuge, your number one offensive playmaker. But outside of Bowers, what are you building on offensive line? Needs to be reconstructing. No premium running back, no receiver. Yeah, I mean you don't have anything quarterback you gotta figure out. I mean there's a lot defensively, Yeah you got I mean Christian Wilkins and Max Crosby and those guys. But it's still lacking blue chip players in those marquee spots. It's a heavy, heavy lift for the Raiders and probably one they didn't expect. They probably thought they could kind of grind it out, thug it out this year with a team that kind of came back in tack. But it's clear and apparent when the rest of the vision is improving like they are. See the Charges, see the Broncos. You got to be right up there with them when you get left behind quickly.

Yeah, a lot to do, just starting on the offense. Man, you have brought by Resuge, your number one offensive playmaker. But outside of Bowers, what are you building on offensive line? Needs to be reconstructing. No premium running back, no receiver. Yeah, I mean you don't have anything quarterback you gotta figure out. I mean there's a lot defensively, Yeah you got I mean Christian Wilkins and Max Crosby and those guys. But it's still lacking blue chip players in those marquee spots. It's a heavy, heavy lift for the Raiders and probably one they didn't expect. They probably thought they could kind of grind it out, thug it out this year with a team that kind of came back in tack. But it's clear and apparent when the rest of the vision is improving like they are. See the Charges, see the Broncos. You got to be right up there with them when you get left behind quickly.

Yep, Giants coming off right now, sending it two and eight.

Yep, Giants coming off right now, sending it two and eight.

Uh. It's major because the quarterback situation now that you've made it, you know, you kind of made the situation and where Daniel Jones has to be gone. You have put so much pressure on yourself to find a quarterback in this offseason. We've said this, you never want to go to the grocery store when you're hungry. You're more likely to bring back a bunch of stuff that you can look in the pantry like why do I have all of this stuff? Well, now they're going to have to talk to themselves into finding a young quarterback that can get it done. And when we look at the free agent market, like who's the best free agent that could beat out be out there. We've talked about the quarterback class not being an elite quarterback class. The Giants are now painted themselves into a corner where they have to get a quarterback when everyone in the football world knows there may not be a sure thing your quarterback in this draft Yeah.

Uh. It's major because the quarterback situation now that you've made it, you know, you kind of made the situation and where Daniel Jones has to be gone. You have put so much pressure on yourself to find a quarterback in this offseason. We've said this, you never want to go to the grocery store when you're hungry. You're more likely to bring back a bunch of stuff that you can look in the pantry like why do I have all of this stuff? Well, now they're going to have to talk to themselves into finding a young quarterback that can get it done. And when we look at the free agent market, like who's the best free agent that could beat out be out there. We've talked about the quarterback class not being an elite quarterback class. The Giants are now painted themselves into a corner where they have to get a quarterback when everyone in the football world knows there may not be a sure thing your quarterback in this draft Yeah.

The interesting thing about the Giants is they have I mean, you got a big time young talent and neighbors on the outside. Tyrone Tracy has been fun to watch this year. In the backfield, obviously nice to have Saquon, but defensively, they got some real dudes led by Dexter up front, and they they got three interesting guys up in that front with Thibodeau and Burns to go along with big Decks. So's there's some pieces there. I don't think they're as big a lift as some of these other teams in here. But again it's the quarterback, which as we're going through these teams, I think it's apparent and we'll get all the way up to your Jags at number one. But I don't know if we would have thought this, but the Patriots might be the most enviable position because they're going to have a top ten pick and they have the best quarterback situation in terms of the talent and the cost. Drake may cost them nothing on the books right now, and they can get good quarterback play out of him. We've seen that already, so they would be in the most enviable position. The team next that we're going to go over. Might be you could make a case in the most precarious situation that's Cleveland Browns.

The interesting thing about the Giants is they have I mean, you got a big time young talent and neighbors on the outside. Tyrone Tracy has been fun to watch this year. In the backfield, obviously nice to have Saquon, but defensively, they got some real dudes led by Dexter up front, and they they got three interesting guys up in that front with Thibodeau and Burns to go along with big Decks. So's there's some pieces there. I don't think they're as big a lift as some of these other teams in here. But again it's the quarterback, which as we're going through these teams, I think it's apparent and we'll get all the way up to your Jags at number one. But I don't know if we would have thought this, but the Patriots might be the most enviable position because they're going to have a top ten pick and they have the best quarterback situation in terms of the talent and the cost. Drake may cost them nothing on the books right now, and they can get good quarterback play out of him. We've seen that already, so they would be in the most enviable position. The team next that we're going to go over. Might be you could make a case in the most precarious situation that's Cleveland Browns.

Yeah, it's tough, right, it's tough for the Browns.

Yeah, it's tough, right, it's tough for the Browns.

Would you tear it down? Would you like, do you trade Miles Garrett and say let's let's just take this thing down to the studs.

Would you tear it down? Would you like, do you trade Miles Garrett and say let's let's just take this thing down to the studs.

Well, I don't like trading away great players to start it all over. So I would have some guys that are sacred cows. He's a sacred cow. Anybody else besides him, I'm cool. Like, if we need to get and move on from Denzel Ward, if we need to move on from some of the other players, yes I would keep him. But yeah, I think there's a reset. And the reason why DJ like, for whatever reason, we thought this defense was still gonna be able to carry them no matter what the offense did, the defense took a step back. We got to examine it. We got to make the quarterback situation. I think Sean Payton has given you a blueprint for how to deal with the quarterback. Cut your losses, move on, take your medicine next year, and find a young quarterback that you can build upon. To me, that's the way that you have to do it, and you have to rebuild it. With that in mind, I can't imagine a situation where Deshaun Watson comes back as a quarterback. You have to rebuild it. Still.

Well, I don't like trading away great players to start it all over. So I would have some guys that are sacred cows. He's a sacred cow. Anybody else besides him, I'm cool. Like, if we need to get and move on from Denzel Ward, if we need to move on from some of the other players, yes I would keep him. But yeah, I think there's a reset. And the reason why DJ like, for whatever reason, we thought this defense was still gonna be able to carry them no matter what the offense did, the defense took a step back. We got to examine it. We got to make the quarterback situation. I think Sean Payton has given you a blueprint for how to deal with the quarterback. Cut your losses, move on, take your medicine next year, and find a young quarterback that you can build upon. To me, that's the way that you have to do it, and you have to rebuild it. With that in mind, I can't imagine a situation where Deshaun Watson comes back as a quarterback. You have to rebuild it. Still.

You might come back, he just might not be starting.

You might come back, he just might not be starting.

I don't think you can even bring him back DJ.

I don't think you can even bring him back DJ.

I don't know how financially you're going to eat. He's a lot to look. The Bronco ate that with. They ate a lot with Russell Wilson. I mean, okay, so if you bring him back, did just just think about this energy.

I don't know how financially you're going to eat. He's a lot to look. The Bronco ate that with. They ate a lot with Russell Wilson. I mean, okay, so if you bring him back, did just just think about this energy.

This is fully guaranteed Russ. That was not fully guaranteed money. It's not, but we're gonna bring him back it okay, your charges have played have played the Browns right, energy, the energy around the program right.

This is fully guaranteed Russ. That was not fully guaranteed money. It's not, but we're gonna bring him back it okay, your charges have played have played the Browns right, energy, the energy around the program right.

So, and that was with there was a I was to take that back. They had just come off of a win. Jamis had taken over and there was a little bit of energy. But after about the fifth you know, almost interception that he threw in that game, it dissipated quickly.

So, and that was with there was a I was to take that back. They had just come off of a win. Jamis had taken over and there was a little bit of energy. But after about the fifth you know, almost interception that he threw in that game, it dissipated quickly.

I just think you have to I just think you look, I think you have to charge it to the game. You just have to kind of like, look, man, take your cast stro Now just got to close your notes and and do it. Because if you're able to bring in a young quarterback, that gives you some hope the rest of the pieces of play better. I'm convinced that the rest of the pieces will play better if the energy is different around the building and the other way you energize the buildings. You got to bring in a young stud, bring in a young stud and find a way to get it down. And if you're like at number three, I mean we can talk about the quarterback. You just got to bring a young stud in and just kind of go with it.

I just think you have to I just think you look, I think you have to charge it to the game. You just have to kind of like, look, man, take your cast stro Now just got to close your notes and and do it. Because if you're able to bring in a young quarterback, that gives you some hope the rest of the pieces of play better. I'm convinced that the rest of the pieces will play better if the energy is different around the building and the other way you energize the buildings. You got to bring in a young stud, bring in a young stud and find a way to get it down. And if you're like at number three, I mean we can talk about the quarterback. You just got to bring a young stud in and just kind of go with it.

So, fuck, how do you do this? I'm looking at this right now. If you if you cut, if you cut to Sean right.

So, fuck, how do you do this? I'm looking at this right now. If you if you cut, if you cut to Sean right.

It's nine million right after June.

It's nine million right after June.

One, it would cost you seventy two million and twenty five, okay, and they'd absorb a one hundred million dollars hit in twenty six. You can't.

One, it would cost you seventy two million and twenty five, okay, and they'd absorb a one hundred million dollars hit in twenty six. You can't.

How do you do that?

How do you do that?

How do you build your roster? It's a nightmare there, It's it's an absolute nightmare.

How do you build your roster? It's a nightmare there, It's it's an absolute nightmare.

How do you bring him back though?

How do you bring him back though?

Like there's nothing to build out your roster? How do you fell out a team? How do we bring him back though? There's nothing. There's nothing on tape. This is hey, you know what new scheme? Couple of tweaks. We're right back, DJ has been three.

Like there's nothing to build out your roster? How do you fell out a team? How do we bring him back though? There's nothing. There's nothing on tape. This is hey, you know what new scheme? Couple of tweaks. We're right back, DJ has been three.

Well you want if you want. The good news is if you want to cut him before June first, uh in twenty five, it only costs you one hundred and seventy two million dollars against the cap. So, I mean, that's no problem. Just one hundred and seventy two million in dead cap. They are screwed. Like you try, I'm trying to find hope for all these teams and present you a scenario. There is no there is no good situation there. I don't know how they get out of this.

Well you want if you want. The good news is if you want to cut him before June first, uh in twenty five, it only costs you one hundred and seventy two million dollars against the cap. So, I mean, that's no problem. Just one hundred and seventy two million in dead cap. They are screwed. Like you try, I'm trying to find hope for all these teams and present you a scenario. There is no there is no good situation there. I don't know how they get out of this.

Okay, want you all right? I mean, have you put on your gentlemen j Okay? So we bringing back? How to build a team? Bringing back you're bringing back? How do we build out the team?

Okay, want you all right? I mean, have you put on your gentlemen j Okay? So we bringing back? How to build a team? Bringing back you're bringing back? How do we build out the team?

Like, how can I'm going to play a rookie. I'm drafting a rookie that costs me next to nothing, and I'm we just go roun with him.

Like, how can I'm going to play a rookie. I'm drafting a rookie that costs me next to nothing, and I'm we just go roun with him.

We're gonna put him in there.

We're gonna put him in there.

That's why, That's why I told you Buck, this is not what anybody wants to hear in Cleveland, I'm sorry. I know we've done this before. We tried to make it work with this group that we had. We thought we were close. We took the big swing. It didn't work. Every hey for sale sign everybody, everybody's for sale. Everybody's for sale, and I'm a I'm stockpiling. I don't love this quarterback class this year. I haven't done anything on the following group. But I just give me as many lottery tickets going into the future as I can possibly get. Give me as I want, as many picks as I can get. Okay, we're gonna be picking up there ourselves for the next two years, so now we'll get a couple more.

That's why, That's why I told you Buck, this is not what anybody wants to hear in Cleveland, I'm sorry. I know we've done this before. We tried to make it work with this group that we had. We thought we were close. We took the big swing. It didn't work. Every hey for sale sign everybody, everybody's for sale. Everybody's for sale, and I'm a I'm stockpiling. I don't love this quarterback class this year. I haven't done anything on the following group. But I just give me as many lottery tickets going into the future as I can possibly get. Give me as I want, as many picks as I can get. Okay, we're gonna be picking up there ourselves for the next two years, so now we'll get a couple more.

This is Sam Hinky. Trust the process. We go trust the process. With the Browns, We're just gonna take it. How we How else are you going to get through those You do it, We're gonna be bad for a couple of years and and bring it back and just try and figure out a way to do it.

This is Sam Hinky. Trust the process. We go trust the process. With the Browns, We're just gonna take it. How we How else are you going to get through those You do it, We're gonna be bad for a couple of years and and bring it back and just try and figure out a way to do it.

I mean, he get the analytics department with the scouts and say, hey, boys, we're gonna get some under after free agentsy, They're gonna have to have to make it work.

I mean, he get the analytics department with the scouts and say, hey, boys, we're gonna get some under after free agentsy, They're gonna have to have to make it work.

We have to get rid of Myles get we can't have one sacred cat. We can't.

We have to get rid of Myles get we can't have one sacred cat. We can't.

What's the point of having them. We're not winning anything.

What's the point of having them. We're not winning anything.

We're gonna have somebody to rest the passes, and we're just going to have anything. We're just gonna start. We're gonna start anew peece buck two to three words. Embrace the suck. Just embrace it.

We're gonna have somebody to rest the passes, and we're just going to have anything. We're just gonna start. We're gonna start anew peece buck two to three words. Embrace the suck. Just embrace it.

Pick your arms around it, put your arms round it, give it a big hug. Embrace the suck for a couple of years, and then we're gonna get it turned around. It's like baseball, man, It's just what it is.

Pick your arms around it, put your arms round it, give it a big hug. Embrace the suck for a couple of years, and then we're gonna get it turned around. It's like baseball, man, It's just what it is.

What it is.

What it is.

Titans picking at two right now with a two and eight record.

Titans picking at two right now with a two and eight record.

Need a quarterback, I mean, so hard quarterback thing just clouds me.

Need a quarterback, I mean, so hard quarterback thing just clouds me.

DJ I don't know who they stood. Young players are you know? I mean Jeffers Simmons technically not young. A big boy from from Texas playing next home, has played really well this year. Yeah, I mean it seems like a major I mean, look, if you did Ridley, I guess Ridley's not young, but he's he's not young, but he's on the contract. He's got to be there for at least two more.

DJ I don't know who they stood. Young players are you know? I mean Jeffers Simmons technically not young. A big boy from from Texas playing next home, has played really well this year. Yeah, I mean it seems like a major I mean, look, if you did Ridley, I guess Ridley's not young, but he's he's not young, but he's on the contract. He's got to be there for at least two more.

It seems it seems kind of major, because you don't they don't have an identity yet. And we're gonna take a quarterback. We take a quarterback there, What what does that do for them? They don't have playmakers around them. Defensively, they play hard, they've done it, but it still seems like it feels like an old defense. You know. I feel like there's it's a major, it's a major. You just save it.

It seems it seems kind of major, because you don't they don't have an identity yet. And we're gonna take a quarterback. We take a quarterback there, What what does that do for them? They don't have playmakers around them. Defensively, they play hard, they've done it, but it still seems like it feels like an old defense. You know. I feel like there's it's a major, it's a major. You just save it.

Let me just save it. It's a major. Left like a major. It seems like a major major left. Yeah, we don't need to go any further on that.

Let me just save it. It's a major. Left like a major. It seems like a major major left. Yeah, we don't need to go any further on that.

Jaggs. Okay, I'm gonna say this, despite what the owner said about this being the best team, I see good, not great all over, and you put them in.

Jaggs. Okay, I'm gonna say this, despite what the owner said about this being the best team, I see good, not great all over, and you put them in.

That middle class just they need a few pieces.

That middle class just they need a few pieces.

I mean a few, but like very essential pieces. I think you have to flip the offensive line. The quarterback is there, the number one wide receiver is there. You got two pass rushes and Trayvon and Josh eins Allen.

I mean a few, but like very essential pieces. I think you have to flip the offensive line. The quarterback is there, the number one wide receiver is there. You got two pass rushes and Trayvon and Josh eins Allen.

Pretty good place to start when you're comparing them to these other teams we've been talking about.

Pretty good place to start when you're comparing them to these other teams we've been talking about.

Yeah, okay, if you you gotta, you got a cornerback that you paid in Tyson Campbell. I still say I don't like paying big money for a right corner, particularly, I would rather have a left corner. But yeah, DJ, there's some things to do. But you got to be when I say good, not great, I don't know of how many of those guys that we listed out are blue players. And that's problematic. You're paying you're paying elite premium money for guys that may not be blue players. So we're kind of stuck into whatever the draft has to be a draft deal.

Yeah, okay, if you you gotta, you got a cornerback that you paid in Tyson Campbell. I still say I don't like paying big money for a right corner, particularly, I would rather have a left corner. But yeah, DJ, there's some things to do. But you got to be when I say good, not great, I don't know of how many of those guys that we listed out are blue players. And that's problematic. You're paying you're paying elite premium money for guys that may not be blue players. So we're kind of stuck into whatever the draft has to be a draft deal.

I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my tip, Like if you say, who do you want to be, and these teams that we just went over because we just had that discussion, I'm going to give you my top three. Tell me if you're any different. The number one team I'd like to be is surprisingly New England. I would I would like to be New England. I've got I've got the quarterback, he costs me nothing and I've got money to spend, and that's why i'd want to be. Number two would be your Jags. I think you do have some good players. We can debate, we can debate whether or not you know how elite they are. But and with Trevor, I still hold out, hope you get the right fit there that with a voice that Trevor you know, next with. They would be number two on this list of seven teams. And I'd put the Jets at number three just because obviously they need the biggest piece with the quarterback and the head coach. But I think there's a lot of other good players there. So that would be one. New England would be one, Jacksonville two, The Jets would be three. Who I'd want to be picking in the top seven.

I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my tip, Like if you say, who do you want to be, and these teams that we just went over because we just had that discussion, I'm going to give you my top three. Tell me if you're any different. The number one team I'd like to be is surprisingly New England. I would I would like to be New England. I've got I've got the quarterback, he costs me nothing and I've got money to spend, and that's why i'd want to be. Number two would be your Jags. I think you do have some good players. We can debate, we can debate whether or not you know how elite they are. But and with Trevor, I still hold out, hope you get the right fit there that with a voice that Trevor you know, next with. They would be number two on this list of seven teams. And I'd put the Jets at number three just because obviously they need the biggest piece with the quarterback and the head coach. But I think there's a lot of other good players there. So that would be one. New England would be one, Jacksonville two, The Jets would be three. Who I'd want to be picking in the top seven.

Here interesting about the Jets. Here's what I would say about the Jets. I think a tough guy could fix the Jets. I think a guy who came in there and talked about, hey, we're going to play a certain way, we're going to have a physical team. I believe they could be fixed quickly. I don't think the Jets have a true identity. I think someone that could come in and define who we are and what we're going to be makes the Jets an easier program to flip around the Patriots. It's about opportunity to upgrade the pieces. You got a bunch of money, you have picks, but because you got the quarterback, it can be done. You're just simple thing of being able to throw T Higgins on that team, giving them an established playmate on the outside. They play hard, they play tough defensively, they play look, they get after it on defense. They're tough enough to be able to do it. The Jags, to me, are a bit of a mystery because I think it depends on who's running everything. When it comes down to it. If they running back with the same gym and coach, then you've got to convince a team that is three and fourteen that they can change without really changing all of the stuff. That can be like a harder thing to do. But there are some pieces there. They got to play better, so they got to play like, look, you're paying big money, they got to play like big money players.