Top 10 Offensive & Defensive Rookie of the Year Candidates with Lance Zierlein

Published Aug 20, 2024, 10:26 PM

Bucky Brooks and Lance Zierlein are back with a new episode of Move the Sticks. For the first half of the show, the guys go through Lance's rankings of his top 10 Offensive Rookie of the Year candidates (:58). For the rest of the show, Lance breaks down his top 10 Defensive Rookie of the Year candidates (18:57).

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And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everyone?

It is at Bucky Brooks and my man Aoz Lance Airline is here and this is the Move to six podcast. And today we're going to break down the Brookies and we're gonna begin to get a little insight from Lance on which rookie should be the front runners for the Offensive Rookie of the Year award, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award. And then I'm gonna press them on a man, give me some dark Horses's some guys that can come out the back woods to maybe steal the plaque or the trophy at the end of it.

So, Alz, what's going on?

Man?

What's up? What's up? I'm excited to get into it. This is you know, this is our time. We watch the players who we studied and now we try to take their college tape and plug them in with the pros. And how how are we looking? Do we get it right? Early on? Do we see people who are making jumps very very quickly? Every year I get the email from Dan Parr, Hey a Lance, hope you're having a great summer. Here comes in it comes the articles, and he said offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year. And I said, okay, cool, This is a great way for me to get a feel for what the you know, we don't We don't do a lot of it here on our on the podcast or in anything that we're doing. But I like to look at what the odds are for these guys from the different casinos and see how much in alignance with what my thoughts are after studying the tape and studying where they are and sometimes in alliance, and sometimes I think they got it way wrong. So we can take a look at that and I'll give you my I'll give you my thoughts on ness. I had Keon Coleman number ten. Now, we all love Keon Coleman's personality and all the yone's all excited about the soundbites with Keon Coleman. But when it came time for me to look at Rookie of the Year, this is what I said. He's got Dalton Kinkaid, who I think is going to be a breakout star this year. For Josh Allen, James Cook, and Ray Davis, who's a rookie out of who's a rookie out of Kentucky, who can play all three downs as well as a good backup, a bigger player than James Cook. And I started thinking, you know, they may really start to lean more on that. Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Hey, let's run everything through the tight end. Could be our number one pass catcher, and we're going to run the ball a little bit more. So when I got to Kean Coleman, I thought, yeah, in theory, he's a good Rookie of the Year candidate. But my problem was, I don't know if he's going to be able to get open enough Bucky against NFL corners outside. I'm not sure that he's not maybe going to have some learning curves there. And then you know, his quarterback is a great quarterback, but he's not exactly mister pinpoint precision all the time on the throws down the field. So I love the the ball winning of Keon Coleman. I love the catch radius. I think they both work in his favor. But I think Josh Allen may start to lock in on Dalton Kinkaid, which will hurt hurt Keon Coleman's chances of winning Rookie of the Year.

I think The thing that hurts Kanon Coleman is is not even him, is the guys that are around him. Like, look, they have a hodgepodge of playmakers that they've assimi highspodger or pass catcher. I won't even say playmakers, hogspoge or pass catchers. They've kind of brought together to try and sort out to see which ones can be their top five or six wide receivers. And Keyank Coleman is someone who at Florida State, he's serve on the ability to be a big time playmaker. But if you don't have someone that can maybe uncover him or take the top off the defense man, it becomes really really tight when you think about a tied En centric passing game with Keank Coleman as the complement. So I would need to see this Buffalo Bill's team play out. And I know the Buffalo Bills are counting on Josh Allen to elevate the wide receiver corps in a way that Pat Mahomes was able to do in Kansas City. I just don't know if there's enough speed on the field to be able to change it. And I know people say, well, what Abou Khalil secure, and what about kJ Hamley who could come in. We'll see which guys eventually make the team, but right now they don't have an established number one, and that makes it really really easy for defense to kind of clamp down and squeeze the passing game and really make it very tight for the quarterback.

Well, that leads me to the next two guys, and I actually love both these players this year. I've got Romadunze number nine, and he's plus four thousand from an odd standpoint many meaning you he's forty to one. It's one hundred dollars to win four thousand, just to give you an idea. He's forty to one at number eight. I've got lad McConkie who's at thirty to one. I think with Roma Donze, it's just simply a case of so many weapons. And in our last podcast we talked about all the weapons for Caleb Williams. I just think there's so many mouths to feed there in Chicago. It's going to be hard for a Dunzae to get to get the amount of catches. And even if he does get the catches, the guy throwing it to him is is still going to be the front runner, So I don't think I think I'll have a hard time winning that award now, but I do expect a good season from Roma Donze. To me, I think Lad McConkie is the guy to really keep an eye on as a dark horse, because I know he's thirty to one, But man, you've got a lot of oportunities for I mean, do you feel like Quintin Johnson has earned the trust of Jim Harbar or earned the trust more importantly I Justin Herbert. I don't know that with the drops, I don't know that he has. You have two wide receivers who have been there forever are gone yet Lad McConkey, who can get open and separate on really all three levels. He's a great route runner, has good separation, verst has some speed, deep in, great hands, catches everything. I mean, would it be crazy for Justin Herbert to really kind of lock in on his rookie wide receiver who he feels confident in that will that he can throw the windows and he'll make catches.

Yeah, that's tough, right, because I've seen these clips on social media, and some of these appear to be edited and doctored when they're talking about Quint Johnson's struggling with the over the shoulder catches and all this other stuff. I'll say this, man, he was a good player at TCU. He has some issues with the drop seas, but if he can give them that vertical element to compliment what should be a pretty physical running game, he can still be an effective player. But in terms of the numbers, I don't know, And so that really opens up a lane for Lad mccacky to kind of come in there and be the chain. The issue that we're having with all of the charges right now is man the injuries, Like I don't know what's in the water down there in Elsa Gundo, but there's something going on with these dudes get banged up and beat up. But Lab mccaky is a good route runner.

He's interesting.

He would need Quinn Johnson to be able to take some of that coverage away, but he should be able to be a productive chamber. I don't know if he's scoring enough touchdowns to wiggle his way into that award, though I've.

Got number seven. I almost jumped the gun last podcast with Xavier Worthy. I got him seven and Bucky. The only thing that bothers me is I think, like DeShawn Jackson, who is this comp I think he's gonna end up being feaster famine from game to game. Like he's gonna be a high yield wide receiver. He's gonna have some long touchdowns. He's gonna have some games where he may go for two hundred and twenty yards receiving it two or three touchdowns. But I also think that, you know, teams are going to have to, you know, give him some cloud coverage, play over the top shade to him, so he's not going to just be able to run free down the field. Teams are going to be well aware of his speed. The other thing is, I don't think he's really a volume catch guy. He's one hundred and sixty pounds somewhere in that neighborhood Won's sixty five, So he's not a big guy. I don't think you want to put him in harm's way over the middle where he can get hit. So I'm not sure that he I know that he'll have explosive games. I just don't know that he'll I've left targets to really factor into Rookie of the Year.

Yeah that's I mean, look, that's that's that's a big part of because when you think about a Rookie of the Year, particularly coming off of what the performance that Pooka Nakua did and the fact that everyone coming into the year they gonna want to give the award to a quarterback because you have a quarterback heavy class. You know that everyone is going to be looking at the numbers. So the numbers that you're going to have to put up to knock one of those guys off, it's gonna have to be big and so worthy. He's going to have to be a big play machine where he goes over in my mind a thousand yards and has a bunch of touchdowns to catch the attention in the eyes of the voter, because right now they already had that thing locked in. It says blankety blank quarterback blank, because that's where it's going more than likely when it comes to that award.

It's funny you mentioned that last year. You know he's probably gonna have to look at twelve hundred yards twelve touchdowns to have a shot. Phoka Akua had one hundred and five catches, fourteen hundred and eighty six yards and six touchdowns and he couldn't beat c j Stroud now Strout had a good He had fourteen hundred and eighty six yards and one hundred and five touchdowns. Had he put up ten I mean one hundred five catches. Had he put up ten or eleven touchdowns? I mean, man, how close would that have been? Just just that's an insane amount of production for a rookie wide receiver. And he came from the fifth round. I mean, that's not even who who does? I want to make sure he was fifth round here, he came from the fifth round. You you're no last year? Yeah, So that's that's special. And but it would take that. I think it would take that kind of year. And I I just don't know that you're ever going to see Patrick Mahomes target one hundred and sixty pound guy that much. I just I don't think it's going to happen. But I think he's going to be. You know, the bigger question is can he help the the Kansas City offense get back to a Super Bowl. And I think he's got a chance to do that. I love what he brings to the to the offense. I just think from a Rookie of the year standpoint, maybe not as much now I had number four JJ McCarthy, So I'm gonna bump him out of there, and now we'll make it bo Nicks number five and elite neighbors number four bow Knicks in that offense. Can can he do enough to be Rookie of the year? Is this going to be the Mac Jones type of game management into position to be a Rookie of the year. Can he be more explosive than Mac Jones offensively his rookie year?

Yeah?

Look, here's the thing. He's off to a good start, and I wondered if they had enough weapons firepower for him to really be able to thrive and flourish in this offense. But the way that it's looking in this only preseason, the way that it's looking, Sean Payton is going to put the onus on him to create opportunities for bow Knicks to just manage the game, take the easy completion and kind of get it done that way. If he does that, like they have more than enough in terms of their defense to win games. And if bow Knicks is able to kind of kind of guide this team into playoff contention, he's gonna get some consideration because everyone is going to fall in love with the story of the rookie player jumping in getting this team, I would say, off the scrap heat and kind of leading them into contention. This dude has some maturity and some poison, some leadership about him that.

You can make him.

He's going to make you kind of fall in love with him. Is just a matter of it would be productive enough to kind of get into consideration to really steal the award.

Yeah, who do you like more as a rookie Miliite Neighbors or Marvin Harrison. M the better quarterbacking appears to be with Arizona if Kyler can stay on the field. But I mean, I'm having a hard time figuring out who I like more. When I wrote the article in late June, I had it as Marvin Harrison. But the more I've seen a Milite Neighbors, you know, I had him as my number one player in the draft. Malik is legit, and the question becomes, how do they get them the.

Yeah, that's the thing. The quarterback dick takes it. And let's be honest, Kyler Murray is a better player than Daniel Jones right now. And that would leave me to believe that Marvin Harrison June's you can get a ton of ton of balls, and I could see him putting up the kind of numbers that pookn Coup put up as the number one receiver in that offense. Because he's coming into an offense where he's gonna be the focal point in the future guy in the passing game. That means on the call cheat, the offensive coordinator has ten to twelve calls that are designed just to get Marvin Harrison the ball because he can dictate the coverage, he can help kind of tilt the field in the offense's favor. Yeah, I can see him having a more productive year the elite neighbors and part of me laite neighbors issues would be to the quarterback and they trust Daniel Jones to throw it enough, Mark Well, elik neighbors can have a big impact on the game.

Right, Yeah, And that's gonna be the That's gonna be the question with both those guys. I think they're immensely talented. But Marvin to me, just simply has the better opportunity. He's gonna be he steps in as kind of and he's very polished, so he's gonna step in I think as the new DeAndre Hopkins for Kyler Murray. And I think once Kyler has a guy that he loves, he's gonna he's gonna pump them the ball. And I think Marvin Harrison is going to end up having a better statistical year, but Malik Neighbors, if Daniel Jones can get on the ball, has a chance to really make some noise. I've got my top three I had ja I had Jayden Daniels number three, Marvin Harrison number two, and Caleb Williams number one. Caleb Williams is almost a pick him. But yeah, I think it's gonna take a lot to unsea Caleb Williams. I think it will have to be a quarterback, and the guy that makes the most sense, obviously, I think would be Jaden Daniels, who can run and pass, who can put up different kinds of touchdowns in different ways. I think it would have to be Jaden to unseat to unsee Caleb Williams as the favorite. The problem is, I think Ryan Pols has done a good job of building the talent around Caleb Williams to have him prepared to step in and put some numbers on the board right away.

Yeah, it's gonna be hard, man, because he's look, he's the media dolling already. He's already teased us and given us a little bit of what we wanted to see from him, which was we wanted to see him kind of show us that he has some of that Pat Mahomes like ability, and we've seen some of that stuff in the preseason. That gives him a nice head start. And this offense looks like it has the pieces to be pretty good, so he doesn't have to be spectacular. He just has to rely on the playmakers, and he has I would say, experienced playmakers, which is key for young quarterbacks. Dj Moore, Keenan, Allen Coka, mett Gerald Everett, running back in DeAndre Swith. Yeah, you have another young player in Roman Doonsday. But Roman Doonsay is just playing a complimentary role. He doesn't need to be the lead forcing that offense. To me, on paper, it just looks too easy for Caleb Williams to be able to ring up these numbers that are gonna be eye popping and very similar to what CJ. Stroud had, but in a different way. Because no one thought that c J. Stroud was gonna put up these numbers. The expectation is that Caleb Williams is going to put up numbers that are comparable to us.

C J.

Stroud put up.

Yeah, I think he's I think it's gonna be so hard. Now defensively, I think the defensive rookie of the year. I wrote this article as well. You can find it in dot com. My Oh dark horse, Yeah, give me a dark horse, all right here we got I have it and you're not gonna see him as a dark horse. But I kind of did with Brian Thomas Junior. I looked at BTJ and I said, man, Trevor, you've give him, Trevor all this money. You're gonna have to. We got to have a toy here that's going to help him, you know, earn his money and show what he's capable of doing. And you get someone who's bigger, faster, and even more explosive. The elite neighbors who, in Malik is great at all those elements. Brian Thomas Junior is actually bigger, faster, a more explosive athlete. He's seventeen touchdown catchers last year. So when you look at Brian Bryan Thomas Junior there's not really anything other than that dog mentality that Malik has. I know Brian Thomas is a lot quieter. I think when when you dig around and I like some of the wide receiver pieces of Jacksonville, but I still don't see like it would be Calvin Ridley one week and then it would be oh, the slot receiver.

Oh, Christen Kirk.

Yeah, Christian Kirk. He'll be Kirk one week, had the big week, and then it'll be Calvin Ridley who had the big week? And you couldn't they never locked in with the number one Bucky. You've seen it. Can Brian Thomas Junior start to work his way into being a wide receiver number one type of player in year one?

Yeah? I think it'd be tough for him to be a wide receiver one right away. But I will say what he does is this this offense in Jacksonvithe works inside out with Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram as the anchors. Gabe Davis is another big play threat that he'll have to share the marquee with when it comes to the explosive place. That said, what you may see small number of receptions, big number when it comes to yards per catching touchdowns. Brian Thomas Junior is going to give them something they haven't had, and I would say the Doug Peterson era, which is a legitimate fuel stretcher. You don't score seventeen touchdowns against sec comp petition and come to the league and be a slouch. He is going to give them that home run element that they needed. And the fact that he's actually gonna play opposite or with Gabe Davis, two explosive players running down telling you it's going to be like a fast break where Trevor Lawrence is going to be able to pick and choose. And the thing that Trevor Lawrence, because it's a natural lease been, you got to kind of justify and validate why Trevor Lawrence got the money that he got. So I think you will see, intentional or unintentional. You will see the ball go down the field more as they try and kind of get some of that going and the offense needs it. But I think it's just a natural thing. When the quarterback gets paid, you do showcase him a little bit. I think BTJ is gonna have a huge year. He's gonna have a bunch of explosive plays. I don't know what the catch totals look like, but the explosives are gonna be eye popping.

Yeah, that's why I put him. As you know, the more you talk about it, the more I think, Man, I wonder if a dark horse and fantasy football should be Trevor Lawrence from the standpoint of you've got a guy who can work the middle in the seams and outrun people in Evan Ingram, you got two vertical guys, and BTJ, who can do more than just be a vertical game, is more of a linear vertical player. And then you got atn who can catch out of the backfield as well, so you've actually got and then Christian Kurr. I mean, you've got a lot of different weapons over there for a player, and as you mentioned, you got to try to prove why it was that you gave him that much money. But there's players over there now.

I know, and your people down there in Houston, and got to stir it up now because everyone talking about CJ. Stroud being the best in the division, and it's about Anthony Richardson. And then there's some love on the streets for Will Levison lit old Trevor making all that money got to showing through and so you got to poke the bear a little bit. So it should be fun to watch that play out because BTJ is really talented, really fluid. He is someone that is certainly of interest when we think about it. We're gonna take a break right now, we'll come back on the other side. We're gonna talk about these defensive Rookie the Year Kennedys all right, else, So now we talked about the as everyone loves offense, but give an old defensive back a little love. When we talk about these defensive Rookie of the Year candidates, who are you looking at?

Well, I tell you what. Let me start with the guy that I think is one of the most interesting long shots on the board, Peyton Wilson plus twenty six hundred man Baldy got ahold of some of that Houston Texans Pittsburgh Steelers tape and started going to work on it. And then I took his kid and went and watched the game tape. I mean, let me tell you something, whoa he was? You thought you were going to run outside zone on Peyton Wilson. He up in everything is a downhill shot. So he's fast and he plays downhill, so he's meeting you at the line of scrimmage. If there's one thing in studying this article that I've I've done over the last few years i've studied the article. I came up with a guy who was a long shot who won a guy named Shaq Leonard Darius Lendard back in the day. And it's because if you find a linebacker who can fill up a lot of fill up the stat sheet multiple categories, you can win this award. And so the two guys that I thought were interesting there were Edrin Cooper, who was a really really fast playmaker who gets to play next to kway Walker in Green Bay, so you got him playing on third downs. He's a great blitzer, so he can get you sacks, he can cover man to man, he's got four low four to four speed to fly around and make a bunch of tackles. And then Peyton Wilson. Now Peyton Wilson on the pecking order is not first I don't think he's first team yet, but you can see like he's good enough to be a starter. So those are two guys to me that are kind of long shots on the board at linebacker, the position they play the opportunity to rake up a bunch of to rack up a bunch of stats in multiple categories, and then you know, at linebacker you're flashy. Your category is not just tackles. I mean your category can be strip sacks, it can be scoop and score fumbles. It can be an interception. There's a lot of different ways. It can be you running sideline the sideline to smack somebody. There's a lot of ways that you can pop and flash as a linebacker.

Yeah, you can pop and flash a few different ways. I love him, man, He was one of my favorite prospects in the draft. I just love the way he plays. And I know people talked about the medical probably led him to drop, but in terms of the position, he plays the position like you should play it.

As a top pick.

He was a first round talent that fail the Pittsburgh Steel His benefit from it. He's gonna make a lot of plays. And you talked about Baldy showcasing those things. I am not surprised when you guys talk about him making plays from sideline to sideline, because that's what he did in NC State and I were expect him do it in the pros.

Yeah, and a couple of guys who are different types of playmakers at cornerback. I want to focus on number six and number five. Six is Terry and Arnold was plus one thousand. I mean it's ten to one, and then you've got nine and a half to one with quinnyon Mitchell. You know, I didn't realize just how bad the Eagles secondary was until I really got into the numbers. It was like, oh my gosh, terrible. I mean, they don't take the ball away at all. They don't take the ball away at all. And so if Mitchell can come in and that defense gets a lot better, he's gonna get a lot of the credit for it if he plays good football. You don't usually you have to have five interceptions or more to win Rookie of the Year defensively, but Sauce Gardner won defensive Rookie of the Year with I think three, so he showed that that's not necessarily the case. So quinyon Mitchell and Terry and Arnold. I think Terran Arnold was on another secondary that was very up and down with the with the Lions. Arnold is a guy who you're going to see talking before games giving speech to see him on the sideline like he's a boisterous, energetic, high character player that you're gonna hear Detroit talking when you're watching games. You know they're gonna say, boy, this staff raved about Terry and Arnold, what he brought to the room and his leadership on the field. So we're gonna we're gonna get inundated with Terry and Arnold's stories. But he can also play, like he can really play. I don't know that he's as polished from a cover standpoint as Quinya Mitchell. I think Mitchell has the traits are a little bit better, and I think he's actually got the polish to play a couple of different coverages. But those two guys, to me, Bucky, I think have a chance. If we're talking about cornerbacks winning the award, both of them have a shot there in the middle of the middle of my my one through ten list.

Yeah, like interesting, interesting players, and you just think about like those guys having opportunities being given showcase opportunities. DB's like, we you know, you just wonder because you talk about Salt Garden and your guy down in Htown, Dereck Stanley, who has a lot of love, a lot of people out there talking about him and those guys. Yeah, he can go. Like you're looking to see which guys are going to have an opportunity early to showcase those skills as lockdown guys. It'll be interesting, man, because Arrion Arnold is a guy who you know. It's funny because all the dbs that when people talk about Quinna Mitchell, we talked about Arnold, even kool Aid McKinstry, who was doing a pretty good job early in his time at the Saints. Like, there were some interesting DB's not the top ten guys that you talked about, but we've seen, man, some of these guys that weren't top ten, they end up being much better players than many people envision. Right away.

Foltz Gott one of Mike Abram that's already making some noise. But here's one for you as well. When's who's the last defensive tackle who won defensive Rookie of the Year.

Oh, I can't Rookie of the Year. The only one I can think about the Aaron Donald and Brookie of the Year defense.

That's the last one. Twenty fourteen. It's been a decade since a defensive tackle run defense with one defensive players a year.

Trying to bring it back. Try to bring it back. Run Byron Murphy. Fourteen to one long shot? Can Byron Murphy? Maybe Aaron Donald? Can he make that.

Kind of noise over there for the Raiders? I mean the Seahawks. Does he have that ability? They've already got a good defensive line in Seattle. He's going to rotate in. He's a guy that I think he can get to the quarterback more than he did to Texas. I think he's got that ability. From a Runde standpoint, he's about as clean as you're gonna get. Can Byron Murphy be the disruptor? I think he's got a chance to really become disruptive run and pass. So I put him as my number four defensive Rookie of the Year Canada at fourteen to one wo.

So here's why I'm with you on that pick. Justin Medaweeked playing for Mike McDonald exploded last year. So Mike McDonald now gets a player who has that ability, but he's surrounded with I would even say that, Let's be honest, the Baltimore Ravens were kind of throwing the pieces together, Calvin Noy Jadavian clowning those guys like, you have guys in Seattle that are really solid players, Lennon Williams on one side, Draymond Jones, you still have you got some young young guys, boy Mafe. Byron Murphy's gonna have an opportunity to be put in that showcase spot to go get it. And Mike McDonald does a really good job of creating opportunities at the line of scrimmage through illusions like the way they do simulated pressures in those things. Byron Murphy certainly could be one of those guys that backs doors his way into an eight ten sacks season because he's really explosive, he's really good with his hands, and the scheme is going to really set him up for some opportunities.

Yeah. More importantly, he's got secondary motor, like his secondary rush, because he's so explosive and short in short spaces and his motor is NonStop. Once he gets off of a block, he can get to your quarterback if your quarterback's holding the ball a little too long in the NFL, which more and more quarterbacks do. He's the type of guy that can get there and finish so and you talked about McDonald simulating pressure. That's one of the things he's going to do is he wants to influence your protection. And he's the one who is very, very involved in drafting Byron Murphy, so he knows what Byron Murphy's capable of. He's going to want to put him in those kinds of opportunities. I think Biron Murphy to me, that's why I felt like four wasn't too high for him is I do think his sack total could be closer to seven and a half to eight sacks. As TFLs are gonna be double digits. I think he's I think he's gonna be. I think he's gonna be great NFL player. You know how quickly does it manifest in statistics for defensive rook of the year. I don't know. I do think it's gonna manifest quickly. From my top two guys. Number two, i've got Dallas Turner. Now, Bucky, you've seen Dallas Turner this preseason. I think Dallas Turner with Brian Flores, we talked about this a tremendous opportunity for him to get isolated on one on ones, but he has rare combination of length and explosive speed, and then that once you get to the pros and once you tighten up some of the hand usage, and you know, if he gets with the right guy to teach him this move or that move, he's got the tools and the traits that we talked about to really take it to another level.

Yep, he does have that. And you want guys that can go to another level. And one of the things that we talked about is not to trace and the tools, just the motor. The motor is what is key, and that is a skill. And the great ones have that. They have that third long they can play all day. They go after the relentless in their approach. He has that.

He's got it. My number one guy is Jared Verse and he's ten to one, so he's a long shot. But you know what I remember over the years, the one thing that I've learned from evaluating players is a lot of times I get too excited about the whirling dervishes, the spin move guys, and and the guys with the fast get off and I mean, now everyone's while you run into Michael Parsons, But I graded him as a linebacker coming out, so I didn't even get that chance to grade him as a rusher. But one thing that plays in the NFL is power. If you've got the ability, if you're rough if you're a roughneck, and that's what we call him, matter of buck back in the days with timber Lands in the nineties, rough neck. You got to get a rough neck. You get a rough neck who can run through players, who has that power to get up under the pads and leverage. You know, people talk about the spin move from New Hall of Famer out of Indianapolis. People sleep on his on his bull rush, like he could hit you with a speed to power bull rush too, because he was he was compact but explosive. So if you're sitting there playing passive as a pass setter and you're waiting for him to hit a spin move and then boom, he's right up the middle on you. We'll be on skates and Jared Birsch can put guys on skates and he is a run defender as well. He can play you against the run at the point of attack. He's got the power. I think there's still some you know, some polish needed with his pass rush, but power translates speed to power translates quickly.

In the NFL, it does translate quickly. And when you have that, you talk about Jerry Birds being able to have that and being able to learn one of those patented moves, Like if you have one of those moves that you can just pull out against anybody and it's unstoppable. Yeah, it's a problem. And look, I will say it's funny you bring up the white Friendy because I remember watching him when he was coming out and thinking about some of the awkwardness that he displayed as a rusher. The man you talk about, a legendary pass rush who was able to get it done and do it in his own way.

Why not?

Why can't Jered vers just come right in, step in and attack and dominate from the time you step into the thing.

You know, their defensive coordinator has already talked about Young, Byron Young, and he made a comment. I was reading an article that he said, Jared Versus already bringing into our team the juice, the energy, the leadership that we were hoping from a very when we drafted Weed had heard this is who he was. That's the vibe we got, and when we brought him in, that's exactly as Ben. He's helping Byron Young come out of his show a little bit. So the Rams are really quietly excited about you know, Turner in the middle, and then Byron Young on one side, and you've got Jared Versus on the other side. That could be one of those defenses that really is a swarm unit that's able to get out of you like a they go pile. I don't know if you ever have fire ants the buckie, like we need them fire ants on you. Oh my god, it's the worst.

You can't get rid of me.

They come back, They come back over and over.

Oh they never stopped Lance, They're always are coming like they were relentless. They're relentless all the time. You So I get that. Well, look man, this is this is always fun. Is he anybody else? Anybody else you want to throw into defensive rig.

Yeah, let me throw in one more, my long shot. There was a guy that I liked a lot, and it's Tyler Nuban out of the Giants. Tyler Neuban. To me, anytime you get a very heady safety who plays with great instincts and anticipation and who has ball skills, immediately you'd start thinking of like Eddie Jackson. You know those guys who all of a sudden they start piling on big plays. Oh, he's got Tyler Nuban already has seven interceptions and we're in week fifteen and he has two for touchdowns. All of a sudden, It's like, man, Tyler Nuban, where did this come from? But he's a guy that had When you we have ball production as a safety throughout college, it's not an accident. That's a skill. You know, it's not all just tip balls. A lot of times you know where the ball's going. So if you play with the anticipation and you've got ball skills, then you got a chance to rake up the interceptions. And that's one of those things you have to have if you're gonna win, if you're going to win Defensive Rookie of the Year. The last rookie to win it at safety, I think was Mark Carrier. So it's been a long long time.

Long, long long time coming. That's interesting. Man, Like I liked Alan Newban I loved him at Minnesota. Man his tape, he was all over the place swiping balls in those things, And you would like to.

Think with the Giants up front.

They have guys up front that can hunt Brian Burns, Dexter, Lawrence kvon Tiba though, like you have three guys that are really effective. They're getting to the quarterback and if they can rush for and play in covers like Shane Bowne wants to do, this is going to be an opportunity for him to get a bunch of tips and intercept a bunch of interceptions off tips and overthrown balls. Because the pressure up front, it's.

Right, that's right, and that's what you got to do. That's what you gotta have. So those are some looks on the offensive side and the defensive side at some of the guys. And I'm really interested to watch your guy, Peyton Wilson. I think that he's one of those guys that you know, for those people who are running to Vegas playing those little those those little plays. I'm like those party Yeah, whoa, I'm looking at thirty to one or whatever whatever he is, twenty eight to one. I'm thinking that guy can end up making some noise.

He could make some noise with lands Man. This is fun, man, It's always fun having you pop on. Love your insight, love your perspective.

We donn have to do it again.

When DJ comes back, we have to bring you home so we can have some more conversations, Like Mom.

All I'm doing is sitting here and breakfast tacos and trying to win outside, so I got to do anything else.

Let's go come on, man age town, putting it down. So guys, that's Moody six for today. Make sure you rate, review, subscribe, keep tuning in, make sure you tell a friend to tell a friend to come and join us until the end of the week. I'm Bucky broke. There was land Syuh. We'll see you again on mood six.

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