And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you? Buck? How you doing, man, I'm good.

What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you? Buck? How you doing, man, I'm good.

DJ.

DJ.

It's the first time that you and I've gotten together since the draft and all the chaos. I got to command you on the job that you did. I didn't get a chance to see it or hear it because we were working simultaneously. But the feedback that I got and the advice that you gave to one your der Sanders was I much need it everything. After all the conversations post draft that I've.

It's the first time that you and I've gotten together since the draft and all the chaos. I got to command you on the job that you did. I didn't get a chance to see it or hear it because we were working simultaneously. But the feedback that I got and the advice that you gave to one your der Sanders was I much need it everything. After all the conversations post draft that I've.

Heard, well, I appreciate that and congrats to you.

Heard, well, I appreciate that and congrats to you.

And I heard like I got some of the number of reports for all the stuff you guys were doing, and it was like crazy growth, man. So it's fun to see all the different ways we kind of communicate with the masses during during the draft and to see just the entire thing just continue to grow and build is is pretty cool. So I'm excited to catch up with you in the I've got one of the things I wanted to hit on, and we'll get to it in just a minute. But I wanted to hit on how and we've seen this before, how your relationship in history with players at previous stops or years passing your organization informs your decisions on the guys you draft because you think you've you've coached this type of player before. And so I got a list of players that I want to get your thoughts on. But we're gonna get to that in just a minute. But first of all, it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So I mean, I look, we'll start there. We don't need to spend a ton of time on it. Everybody's said their piece. We both had a chance to say our thoughts on it. But the more time removed from the from the chador thing, the draft thing, My my biggest takeaway, Buck might be this will probably be.

And I heard like I got some of the number of reports for all the stuff you guys were doing, and it was like crazy growth, man. So it's fun to see all the different ways we kind of communicate with the masses during during the draft and to see just the entire thing just continue to grow and build is is pretty cool. So I'm excited to catch up with you in the I've got one of the things I wanted to hit on, and we'll get to it in just a minute. But I wanted to hit on how and we've seen this before, how your relationship in history with players at previous stops or years passing your organization informs your decisions on the guys you draft because you think you've you've coached this type of player before. And so I got a list of players that I want to get your thoughts on. But we're gonna get to that in just a minute. But first of all, it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So I mean, I look, we'll start there. We don't need to spend a ton of time on it. Everybody's said their piece. We both had a chance to say our thoughts on it. But the more time removed from the from the chador thing, the draft thing, My my biggest takeaway, Buck might be this will probably be.

You know, we talk about teaching tape or what have.

You know, we talk about teaching tape or what have.

You, but this is this is probably a reason why agents matter, you know, why why you could say, if you're an agent, I would I would use this as a you know, as an example of why you should hire an agent. And there's a reason why, Buck, that these these training facilities make so much money where they bring these kids in. It's not just to teach him how to run a three cone like, I think it's to kind of help you guide you through the process, because I think that was where things kind of fell off track.

You, but this is this is probably a reason why agents matter, you know, why why you could say, if you're an agent, I would I would use this as a you know, as an example of why you should hire an agent. And there's a reason why, Buck, that these these training facilities make so much money where they bring these kids in. It's not just to teach him how to run a three cone like, I think it's to kind of help you guide you through the process, because I think that was where things kind of fell off track.

That's how I looked at it.

That's how I looked at it.

Okay, So before we talk about Shador, I want to use Jackson Dart as the example. And the reason why I want to use Jackson Dart as the example is during Super Bowl we had an opportunity in the viewing room, Jackson Dart and his dad came through. Jackson Dart was sitting up beside us. He was asking questions and really wanted to dig into the process before I think that was was that before the Singer Bowl, is before the Senior Bowl.

Okay, So before we talk about Shador, I want to use Jackson Dart as the example. And the reason why I want to use Jackson Dart as the example is during Super Bowl we had an opportunity in the viewing room, Jackson Dart and his dad came through. Jackson Dart was sitting up beside us. He was asking questions and really wanted to dig into the process before I think that was was that before the Singer Bowl, is before the Senior Bowl.

So whatever we were watching, we were doing Saturday games.

So whatever we were watching, we were doing Saturday games.

And so he comes through, he does that, he has all the questions, he does all of data whatever. And I don't know if you had a chance to see the phone call that Brian Dable and Joe Shane made to Jackson Dart, and one of the first things they said is like, man, you kill the process.

And so he comes through, he does that, he has all the questions, he does all of data whatever. And I don't know if you had a chance to see the phone call that Brian Dable and Joe Shane made to Jackson Dart, and one of the first things they said is like, man, you kill the process.

You really crushed the process.

You really crushed the process.

Both guys said it individual to him about the process. And it was at that moment when I saw that I was like, oh, that process is really everything and maybe not even in my own navita because we've all worked for teams or whatever, but in a different time, that process for quarterbacks is really unique and different. And then I went back and I had an opportunity to see the clips from Hard Knocks last year where the Giants kind of went through the quarterback process with Jayden Daniels, Drake May and all that, and they really gave access to how they go about it, and Joe and that clip talked about, Look, this process that we feel like we've honed down has been very successful for us throughout the years, not only with the guys that we acquired Josh Allen when they went through the process in Buffalo, but the other guys who've killed this process, like a Jayden Daniels, they also.

Both guys said it individual to him about the process. And it was at that moment when I saw that I was like, oh, that process is really everything and maybe not even in my own navita because we've all worked for teams or whatever, but in a different time, that process for quarterbacks is really unique and different. And then I went back and I had an opportunity to see the clips from Hard Knocks last year where the Giants kind of went through the quarterback process with Jayden Daniels, Drake May and all that, and they really gave access to how they go about it, and Joe and that clip talked about, Look, this process that we feel like we've honed down has been very successful for us throughout the years, not only with the guys that we acquired Josh Allen when they went through the process in Buffalo, but the other guys who've killed this process, like a Jayden Daniels, they also.

Had success in the league.

Had success in the league.

And so what that led me to believe is if you're a player, and let's just say Shadur didn't prepare to really crush this process after watching how they go about it, there's no your way. You can fake your way through it, Like it's not a process, Like I want everyone to understand, this is not one where you can go to the class, not study the test, but like, hey, I'm a wing it, it's not one that you can do it. You really got to prepare. You really got to know the ins and outs. And it's not only about knowing your stuff, it's how do you articulate the game to others? How do you articulate your level of knowledge in those things? And amid chaos in an interview session.

And so what that led me to believe is if you're a player, and let's just say Shadur didn't prepare to really crush this process after watching how they go about it, there's no your way. You can fake your way through it, Like it's not a process, Like I want everyone to understand, this is not one where you can go to the class, not study the test, but like, hey, I'm a wing it, it's not one that you can do it. You really got to prepare. You really got to know the ins and outs. And it's not only about knowing your stuff, it's how do you articulate the game to others? How do you articulate your level of knowledge in those things? And amid chaos in an interview session.

So if you didn't take that.

So if you didn't take that.

Part seriously, if you didn't approach this like you and I would say to our kids on a regular job, you go for a job interview a wear your blue suit, make sure your shoes are polish, make sure you come in there. Have you researched a company? Do you know who you're talking to? Have you researched them? Do you have all of the answers to be able to like a swat analysis test? What are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? How am I working to make those weaknesses my strengths? All of those things that we would tell, well, if you don't approach the NFL job interview like that, it'll come back and get you.

Part seriously, if you didn't approach this like you and I would say to our kids on a regular job, you go for a job interview a wear your blue suit, make sure your shoes are polish, make sure you come in there. Have you researched a company? Do you know who you're talking to? Have you researched them? Do you have all of the answers to be able to like a swat analysis test? What are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? How am I working to make those weaknesses my strengths? All of those things that we would tell, well, if you don't approach the NFL job interview like that, it'll come back and get you.

And I think that's what we saw.

And I think that's what we saw.

Yeah, And I think first of all, to correct the timeline you're correct. I'm now like going back in my head, So Senior Bowl would have been before the Super Bowl, so he had done he had been through the Senior Bowl process. He came in, watched the Super Bowl. But I mean he asked a bazillion questions about like when you're meeting with teams the combine and well, you you know, when you're going through this process, and then at the pro day and at the workout, it's like, how you know, how do what are they looking for? What do I need to convey? What are the things you'd think I need to work on? Like there was some awareness there, and that's really probably the biggest thing is just the awareness. And I was going back through it, and you know, we've seen in years past, because I think people will go, oh, you know, we see all these top quarterbacks. They don't throw at the combine or they don't do this and that, and they kind of choose what they want to do. I'm like, you have to know where you are, not just in how confident you are on your ability, but you have to know where your stock is. So cam Ward, he was viewed as the top guy, and that gap just kept getting wider and wider, So cam Ord didn't need to throw at the combine, cam Ward didn't need to go to All Star games. Like cam Ward was a made man for lack of a better phrase, But when you look at the quarterbacks that went next, Buck Jackson Dart Full Process Senior Bowl included Tyler Schuck, Full Process Senior Bowl included Jalen Milroe. Full Process Senior Bowl included Dylan Gabriel. Full Process Senior Bowl included Like those guys knew that, Hey, I'm not in that tier, so I got to do all the stuff along the way to get me, you know, to have teams, you know, want to pick me, because there's a difference between it's the love and the like. If teams love you, they're going to they're not going to be as demanding of the process. If teams like you, it is your job to make them love you. Does that make any sense? That don't know what it was.

Yeah, And I think first of all, to correct the timeline you're correct. I'm now like going back in my head, So Senior Bowl would have been before the Super Bowl, so he had done he had been through the Senior Bowl process. He came in, watched the Super Bowl. But I mean he asked a bazillion questions about like when you're meeting with teams the combine and well, you you know, when you're going through this process, and then at the pro day and at the workout, it's like, how you know, how do what are they looking for? What do I need to convey? What are the things you'd think I need to work on? Like there was some awareness there, and that's really probably the biggest thing is just the awareness. And I was going back through it, and you know, we've seen in years past, because I think people will go, oh, you know, we see all these top quarterbacks. They don't throw at the combine or they don't do this and that, and they kind of choose what they want to do. I'm like, you have to know where you are, not just in how confident you are on your ability, but you have to know where your stock is. So cam Ward, he was viewed as the top guy, and that gap just kept getting wider and wider, So cam Ord didn't need to throw at the combine, cam Ward didn't need to go to All Star games. Like cam Ward was a made man for lack of a better phrase, But when you look at the quarterbacks that went next, Buck Jackson Dart Full Process Senior Bowl included Tyler Schuck, Full Process Senior Bowl included Jalen Milroe. Full Process Senior Bowl included Dylan Gabriel. Full Process Senior Bowl included Like those guys knew that, Hey, I'm not in that tier, so I got to do all the stuff along the way to get me, you know, to have teams, you know, want to pick me, because there's a difference between it's the love and the like. If teams love you, they're going to they're not going to be as demanding of the process. If teams like you, it is your job to make them love you. Does that make any sense? That don't know what it was.

And I also think that everyone has to understand that there is a shift that's going on international Football League, not just with quarterbacks but with all players.

And I also think that everyone has to understand that there is a shift that's going on international Football League, not just with quarterbacks but with all players.

And I think we heard it repeatedly.

And I think we heard it repeatedly.

We heard it on your telecast where they talked about guys are really going after players who really love ball, Like DJ, think about how many times in the past we will say that, But there's a concerted effort by teams to make sure that the guys they acquire love ball. And I'm gonna use the Jaguars as an example. One of the things that general manager James Glasstone talked about when he first took the job is, Hey, it's not about us setting the culture. It's us bringing in the players who change the culture just by being themselves. And the way that they change the culture is they already have these things where they want to be great, they want to come to work, they want to do extra all this, So DJ, what they did is people will tell you, and I'll tell you the story about Travis Hunter. Travis Commers. Hunter comes into the facility after being selected. He goes through and does all the stuff, and then he's looking to change clothes so he can go work out with the team, and they're like, no, you can't do that yet, but but that's how he was.

We heard it on your telecast where they talked about guys are really going after players who really love ball, Like DJ, think about how many times in the past we will say that, But there's a concerted effort by teams to make sure that the guys they acquire love ball. And I'm gonna use the Jaguars as an example. One of the things that general manager James Glasstone talked about when he first took the job is, Hey, it's not about us setting the culture. It's us bringing in the players who change the culture just by being themselves. And the way that they change the culture is they already have these things where they want to be great, they want to come to work, they want to do extra all this, So DJ, what they did is people will tell you, and I'll tell you the story about Travis Hunter. Travis Commers. Hunter comes into the facility after being selected. He goes through and does all the stuff, and then he's looking to change clothes so he can go work out with the team, and they're like, no, you can't do that yet, but but that's how he was.

And then the other thing that came out.

And then the other thing that came out.

You know this because you were at the Senior Bowl, so Jack Kaiser, I didn't notice, but evidently during the game.

You know this because you were at the Senior Bowl, so Jack Kaiser, I didn't notice, but evidently during the game.

I switch everyone plays safety.

I switch everyone plays safety.

Everybody opted out. He's an inside linebacker by trade. But on game that he was like, oh cool, I'll go and play safety. And there was someone else who played on both sides or whatever.

Everybody opted out. He's an inside linebacker by trade. But on game that he was like, oh cool, I'll go and play safety. And there was someone else who played on both sides or whatever.

They drafted him and they said.

They drafted him and they said.

We want guys who embraced all aspects of the process, even if it will put you in a position to not look at your best, to not look like you know what you're doing, because you love ball so much that you're like, hey, I'll do everything.

We want guys who embraced all aspects of the process, even if it will put you in a position to not look at your best, to not look like you know what you're doing, because you love ball so much that you're like, hey, I'll do everything.

And he talked about last year.

And he talked about last year.

Was Braden fisk I played on ball, switch team, played on both teams.

Was Braden fisk I played on ball, switch team, played on both teams.

Yeah, he switched teams.

Yeah, he switched teams.

So and so DJ So.

So and so DJ So.

Now when you have all those quarterbacks like Jalen Milroe and Tyler Shuck and Jack Dark, they're all going through the process and all willingly doing everything, you stick out like a sore thumb when you don't participate like that. And even though we're in the thing where everyone is celebrating the player empowerment era, you're empowered to do whatever you want to do. You can opt out or whatever. But I'm telling you now, it ain't like it used to be. They're judging on that, and some of the other guys like a Will Johnson, like Will Johnson elected. Not okay, But what they're doing is if they have somewhere where we can complete all the boxes and tie up all the loose ends, I'm gonna take the prospect that I know everything about as opposed to the prospect that has some unknowns.

Now when you have all those quarterbacks like Jalen Milroe and Tyler Shuck and Jack Dark, they're all going through the process and all willingly doing everything, you stick out like a sore thumb when you don't participate like that. And even though we're in the thing where everyone is celebrating the player empowerment era, you're empowered to do whatever you want to do. You can opt out or whatever. But I'm telling you now, it ain't like it used to be. They're judging on that, and some of the other guys like a Will Johnson, like Will Johnson elected. Not okay, But what they're doing is if they have somewhere where we can complete all the boxes and tie up all the loose ends, I'm gonna take the prospect that I know everything about as opposed to the prospect that has some unknowns.

The one thing because we talked about, you know, we tackled this subject from a lot of different areas on TV over the three days, and you know, try and be measured and reasonable and everything, and I try and give people a look inside when you've been inside.

The one thing because we talked about, you know, we tackled this subject from a lot of different areas on TV over the three days, and you know, try and be measured and reasonable and everything, and I try and give people a look inside when you've been inside.

Those buildings and what that would look like.

Those buildings and what that would look like.

The only thing that I that I said that I got some that I I's see all the feedback. But the one thing that was brought to my attention with some negative attention off what I said was at one point time, I said, when he had kept sliding. I said, if I were, if I were advising him, what I would tell him was of the teams you met with. Now that's not all thirty two.

The only thing that I that I said that I got some that I I's see all the feedback. But the one thing that was brought to my attention with some negative attention off what I said was at one point time, I said, when he had kept sliding. I said, if I were, if I were advising him, what I would tell him was of the teams you met with. Now that's not all thirty two.

But I would call them.

But I would call them.

I would call him and say, hey, something got miscommunicated to this problem. I want you to know that, Like, I'm a football player, and this is my desire and passion. I'm coming there to work, Like this is not about you know, production value or any of this other stuff that you might associate with me, Like, I just want an opportunity. I will compete my butt off, and I'm gonna make us a better team. Let's start there. I'm gonna earn everything.

I would call him and say, hey, something got miscommunicated to this problem. I want you to know that, Like, I'm a football player, and this is my desire and passion. I'm coming there to work, Like this is not about you know, production value or any of this other stuff that you might associate with me, Like, I just want an opportunity. I will compete my butt off, and I'm gonna make us a better team. Let's start there. I'm gonna earn everything.

But like and then.

But like and then.

People were like, oh, you're asking him, do you want him to call and beg teams? And I'm like, no, no, no, that's not that's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if I went and inter personally, if I went interviewed for a job that I wanted and then I heard, you know what, they didn't like some of the things you said in the interview, I don't think they're going to hire you. My first thing would be like, let me call it, hey, sir, I know in our conversation I interviewed maybe the way that didn't come across the right way, But I want to let you know that I'm going to work as hard as I possibly can, like I'm the right guy for this job. That's not begging for a job, So that's that's not lowering yourself. That's just trying to be proactive and show a commitment to make sure that we're on the same page. And at the end of the day, if you want to go somewhere else, that's fine, but I want you to have a proper understanding of what I'm about.

People were like, oh, you're asking him, do you want him to call and beg teams? And I'm like, no, no, no, that's not that's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if I went and inter personally, if I went interviewed for a job that I wanted and then I heard, you know what, they didn't like some of the things you said in the interview, I don't think they're going to hire you. My first thing would be like, let me call it, hey, sir, I know in our conversation I interviewed maybe the way that didn't come across the right way, But I want to let you know that I'm going to work as hard as I possibly can, like I'm the right guy for this job. That's not begging for a job, So that's that's not lowering yourself. That's just trying to be proactive and show a commitment to make sure that we're on the same page. And at the end of the day, if you want to go somewhere else, that's fine, but I want you to have a proper understanding of what I'm about.

That's all I was saying.

That's all I was saying.

So a couple of things with that because I saw that and I to me, it was sensible.

So a couple of things with that because I saw that and I to me, it was sensible.

It makes sense. If I want the job, go get the job.

It makes sense. If I want the job, go get the job.

Like that's one of the things like in civilian life, if you want a job doing that interview, it's important for you to convey to the person interviewing you, I want this job, and if I get this job, here's how I'm gonna perform in that job. And it's a way to not only display confidence but also humility and saying, hey, I'm about the team, I'm this and that. That's also where lack of representation heard them, because representation, that's a person who could.

Like that's one of the things like in civilian life, if you want a job doing that interview, it's important for you to convey to the person interviewing you, I want this job, and if I get this job, here's how I'm gonna perform in that job. And it's a way to not only display confidence but also humility and saying, hey, I'm about the team, I'm this and that. That's also where lack of representation heard them, because representation, that's a person who could.

Be having that conversation like, hey, I talked to this team and they said that you said answered this question this way, and that rubbed them the wrong way.

Be having that conversation like, hey, I talked to this team and they said that you said answered this question this way, and that rubbed them the wrong way.

Like, well, we need to go let's we need you guys on the phone together.

Like, well, we need to go let's we need you guys on the phone together.

Yeah, we need to go clean it up. We need to get on the zoom. We need to make sure that everyone clearly understands.

Yeah, we need to go clean it up. We need to get on the zoom. We need to make sure that everyone clearly understands.

That part of it.

That part of it.

The other thing that I did on DJ because then people talked about the fall and the slide and all of that stuff, But I was trying to let people know in the draft, what happens is you have the vertical board, you.

The other thing that I did on DJ because then people talked about the fall and the slide and all of that stuff, But I was trying to let people know in the draft, what happens is you have the vertical board, you.

Have the horizontal board.

Have the horizontal board.

Horizontal board is the positions and order what happens DJ.

Horizontal board is the positions and order what happens DJ.

If we are a team that doesn't need.

If we are a team that doesn't need.

A quarterback, even though Shuder is there, that doesn't change our process. And I know we can talk about best player available, but best player available is a thing that we use as we're checking off needs in those things, it's just not a we're going willy nilly and just taking random players at the top of the board that don't necessarily job And particularly when you're the first three rounds, the guys that you take in the first three.

A quarterback, even though Shuder is there, that doesn't change our process. And I know we can talk about best player available, but best player available is a thing that we use as we're checking off needs in those things, it's just not a we're going willy nilly and just taking random players at the top of the board that don't necessarily job And particularly when you're the first three rounds, the guys that you take in the first three.

Rounds of guys that we're projecting the starters.

Rounds of guys that we're projecting the starters.

So if I don't have an immediate need at quarterback, we can acknowledge that a player is worthy of doing that, but we're not seriously entertaining or considering that there's a level of the draft where we get to then now we'll begin to consider. Okay, look, we don't have the need, but this guy was rated as the second round player. He's in the fifth round. Let's take him just from a value standpoint, which is what I believe the Browns got to. But I'm gonna say this, it's really sticky in the Browns quarterback room just because of the pecking order. So when you take Dylan Gabril in the third round, DJA, your third round pick is on the team. So we can sit here and talk about it's an open competition, but your third round pick is on the team. So now this competition is because it's your version during pick a kit, that's the competition.

So if I don't have an immediate need at quarterback, we can acknowledge that a player is worthy of doing that, but we're not seriously entertaining or considering that there's a level of the draft where we get to then now we'll begin to consider. Okay, look, we don't have the need, but this guy was rated as the second round player. He's in the fifth round. Let's take him just from a value standpoint, which is what I believe the Browns got to. But I'm gonna say this, it's really sticky in the Browns quarterback room just because of the pecking order. So when you take Dylan Gabril in the third round, DJA, your third round pick is on the team. So we can sit here and talk about it's an open competition, but your third round pick is on the team. So now this competition is because it's your version during pick a kit, that's the competition.

So that's what it is. I think we've exhausted.

So that's what it is. I think we've exhausted.

We've talked about this a lot, and I would rather like not being disrespectful to I'd rather talk about some of the other guys had an opportunity to do their.

We've talked about this a lot, and I would rather like not being disrespectful to I'd rather talk about some of the other guys had an opportunity to do their.

Thing, because that's what I mean.

Thing, because that's what I mean.

I felt like the telecasts became all about Sanders, and we just want to make sure that others get love for their opportunities to go.

I felt like the telecasts became all about Sanders, and we just want to make sure that others get love for their opportunities to go.

And you know the subject manager that your product.

And you know the subject manager that your product.

Yeah, yep, that was this week's Hotter segment brought to you by with Sabi hot Cloud storage, Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wassabi dot com. All right, Buck, let's take Let's take just a quick pause and we'll come back because I've got I got some names. I'm run by you, and i want to get your thoughts on the comparisons with coaches or general managers that they had a previous player that might have informed their decision. So we'll get to that list right after this. All right, Buck, First up, this one is an easy one. H Pete Carroll Ashton Genty stylistically Marshawn Lynch like he appreciates that style and that brand of runner.

Yeah, yep, that was this week's Hotter segment brought to you by with Sabi hot Cloud storage, Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wassabi dot com. All right, Buck, let's take Let's take just a quick pause and we'll come back because I've got I got some names. I'm run by you, and i want to get your thoughts on the comparisons with coaches or general managers that they had a previous player that might have informed their decision. So we'll get to that list right after this. All right, Buck, First up, this one is an easy one. H Pete Carroll Ashton Genty stylistically Marshawn Lynch like he appreciates that style and that brand of runner.

Absolutely absolutely, look DJ It's one of those things that was the easiest one to mock when you're going through the.

Absolutely absolutely, look DJ It's one of those things that was the easiest one to mock when you're going through the.

Mock and you're like raiders Aston Genty could be there. Would he do it? Yes? Why?

Mock and you're like raiders Aston Genty could be there. Would he do it? Yes? Why?

Because displayer gives him what he's always wanted, a workhorse runner who can do all the grimy stuff. But also as a fact in the passing game, and for people who really haven't been reminded of how good Marshawn Lynch was, it wasn't just beastmode running. There was a time there did whenever they needed a go to play in the passing game, the.

Because displayer gives him what he's always wanted, a workhorse runner who can do all the grimy stuff. But also as a fact in the passing game, and for people who really haven't been reminded of how good Marshawn Lynch was, it wasn't just beastmode running. There was a time there did whenever they needed a go to play in the passing game, the.

Ball went to Marshawn Lynz. Like that's how good he was.

Ball went to Marshawn Lynz. Like that's how good he was.

He was so good out of the backfield first coming out of Caw and then he goes into the league and then when he gets to Seattle, Man, they really tapped into that. To me, I believe Pete Carroll is kind of recreating some of that offense that he previously had in Seattle to have the Raiders get back on track and close the gap on the competitors. Asking Gensy is the workhorse, the lynch pin to that offense being able to kind of play that stole.

He was so good out of the backfield first coming out of Caw and then he goes into the league and then when he gets to Seattle, Man, they really tapped into that. To me, I believe Pete Carroll is kind of recreating some of that offense that he previously had in Seattle to have the Raiders get back on track and close the gap on the competitors. Asking Gensy is the workhorse, the lynch pin to that offense being able to kind of play that stole.

Yeah, and they're going to be able to finish games with him too. I mean, think about all those games that Marshawn Lynch is kind of put away. You know, Hey, they got a good defense. You know they've got a good front. I should say they have some other pieces they need to fill in, but they hey, if we can get out to a lead, he can salt the game away here and Pete Carroll's always appreciate having somebody like that. All right, next one, there's two teams that hit this one. So I'm gonna go with the Chicago Bears, okay, and then I'm gonna come back with the New York Jets. They took Colston Loveland in Chicago, and they took Mason Taylor. With the Jets, you had head coach for Chicago, Ben Johnson, who came from Detroit with Sam Laporta head coach New York Jets. You had Aaron Glenn who came from Detroit with Sam Laporta.

Yeah, and they're going to be able to finish games with him too. I mean, think about all those games that Marshawn Lynch is kind of put away. You know, Hey, they got a good defense. You know they've got a good front. I should say they have some other pieces they need to fill in, but they hey, if we can get out to a lead, he can salt the game away here and Pete Carroll's always appreciate having somebody like that. All right, next one, there's two teams that hit this one. So I'm gonna go with the Chicago Bears, okay, and then I'm gonna come back with the New York Jets. They took Colston Loveland in Chicago, and they took Mason Taylor. With the Jets, you had head coach for Chicago, Ben Johnson, who came from Detroit with Sam Laporta head coach New York Jets. You had Aaron Glenn who came from Detroit with Sam Laporta.

I think Sam.

I think Sam.

Laporta helped place both those guys in those teams because I think you look at Loveland, you look at Mason Taylor, you know, size, speed, stylistically.

Laporta helped place both those guys in those teams because I think you look at Loveland, you look at Mason Taylor, you know, size, speed, stylistically.

There's a lot of similarities to a guy like Sam Laporta.

There's a lot of similarities to a guy like Sam Laporta.

That was the first thing that came up to me when I saw Loveland go over top of Tyler Warren. I was like Ben Johnson was doing his evaluations and he was like, Man Lovelan reminds me a lot of Sam Report. I could do a lot of the same things I did with the Porter with him, and I'm being honest, Djay, I felt like he did the same thing with Luther Burton. I feel like Luther Burdon was a bit of a I've seen big I felt like he said, Oh, I can recreate the offense that I just had.

That was the first thing that came up to me when I saw Loveland go over top of Tyler Warren. I was like Ben Johnson was doing his evaluations and he was like, Man Lovelan reminds me a lot of Sam Report. I could do a lot of the same things I did with the Porter with him, and I'm being honest, Djay, I felt like he did the same thing with Luther Burton. I feel like Luther Burdon was a bit of a I've seen big I felt like he said, Oh, I can recreate the offense that I just had.

I got all of these guys.

I got all of these guys.

I got an alpha dog competitor and slave receiver in Burden, and then I have Lovelin who can do all this stuff. With Sam on the porter, I can set my quarterback up success without really having to deviate too far from the system and the scheme and the way that I want to play by now getting the personnel that I'm very familiar with and comfortable with from my time in Detroit.

I got an alpha dog competitor and slave receiver in Burden, and then I have Lovelin who can do all this stuff. With Sam on the porter, I can set my quarterback up success without really having to deviate too far from the system and the scheme and the way that I want to play by now getting the personnel that I'm very familiar with and comfortable with from my time in Detroit.

And then last one for those teams, let's go Aaron Glenn New York Jets. They decided with their first pick to take a big, physical, run blocking right tackle who isn't completely as polished in the past game. But we're going to dominate physically and we're going to develop more as a pass protector. That remind you of anybody from Detroit.

And then last one for those teams, let's go Aaron Glenn New York Jets. They decided with their first pick to take a big, physical, run blocking right tackle who isn't completely as polished in the past game. But we're going to dominate physically and we're going to develop more as a pass protector. That remind you of anybody from Detroit.

Oh, maybe let's see Pa. So maybe maybe we'll take a big dude.

Oh, maybe let's see Pa. So maybe maybe we'll take a big dude.

That anchor that offensive line and to give us what it is that we want to have in terms of as a team, we want to be a physical team. We eventually want to run the ball, we want to protect the quarterback and all those things.

That anchor that offensive line and to give us what it is that we want to have in terms of as a team, we want to be a physical team. We eventually want to run the ball, we want to protect the quarterback and all those things.

Man.

Man.

You know, it's funny because the conversation on Membu DJ, I was getting feedback from some people like, man, I don't think he's a great I'm not in love.

You know, it's funny because the conversation on Membu DJ, I was getting feedback from some people like, man, I don't think he's a great I'm not in love.

With him, from so many people in the business.

With him, from so many people in the business.

I was like, yeah, I don't get that.

I was like, yeah, I don't get that.

I was like, I definitely don't see that. Like I see a really good play here, who can do.

I was like, I definitely don't see that. Like I see a really good play here, who can do.

A lot, and I think the Jets certainly saw that, and man, having him anchor it down talking about a right tackle that can really get physical and establish it at the point of attack, it certainly works.

A lot, and I think the Jets certainly saw that, and man, having him anchor it down talking about a right tackle that can really get physical and establish it at the point of attack, it certainly works.

For them, and it worked for Detroit for a long time.

For them, and it worked for Detroit for a long time.

Yep, this one I don't see. I don't agree with this comparison quite as much, but I understand what the goal is here, and that's what Ted McMillan and Mike Evans, you know, trying to draw the connection with Dave Canalis coming from Tampa.

Yep, this one I don't see. I don't agree with this comparison quite as much, but I understand what the goal is here, and that's what Ted McMillan and Mike Evans, you know, trying to draw the connection with Dave Canalis coming from Tampa.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's funny that you wrote it up because I feel like the Tampa situation impacted two teams.

So it's funny that you wrote it up because I feel like the Tampa situation impacted two teams.

It impacted the Carolina Panthers, with Ted.

It impacted the Carolina Panthers, with Ted.

McMillan being the Mike Evans type basically recreating it right. So I could see Dave Canal is looking at and Okay, I got Tevic Millan over here. He is Mike Evans. I have Xavier Laguette over here. He's going to be my Chris Gottwin type. I got two big bodied playmakers that are going to expand the strike.

McMillan being the Mike Evans type basically recreating it right. So I could see Dave Canal is looking at and Okay, I got Tevic Millan over here. He is Mike Evans. I have Xavier Laguette over here. He's going to be my Chris Gottwin type. I got two big bodied playmakers that are going to expand the strike.

Zone for Bryce Young.

Zone for Bryce Young.

I also believe down in Tampa a mecha Abuka gives them what they had. He's like, oh, I got someone that can be an easy replacement for either one of these guys, presumably Mike Evans if he doesn't resign after next year. They now have two big guys that they can play with that they've always kind of operated with that has really helped Baker Mayfield.

I also believe down in Tampa a mecha Abuka gives them what they had. He's like, oh, I got someone that can be an easy replacement for either one of these guys, presumably Mike Evans if he doesn't resign after next year. They now have two big guys that they can play with that they've always kind of operated with that has really helped Baker Mayfield.

So I do believe you're right.

So I do believe you're right.

Everyone kind of has a blueprint that they prefer to follow, and that blueprint is established along the way, either with the player that they've come in contact with or being in an organization.

Everyone kind of has a blueprint that they prefer to follow, and that blueprint is established along the way, either with the player that they've come in contact with or being in an organization.

And you had a lot of success operating a certain way.

And you had a lot of success operating a certain way.

Mm how about this one? Emon Wari got picked in Seattle and everybody was doing the oh they got the new cam Chancellor, And I'm sitting here going, oh, no, Mike McDonald came from Baltimore and he's got is Kyle Hamilton Like that's he knows how to use that big player in that role and it's so good. He's a kind of a faster version of Kyle Hamilton.

Mm how about this one? Emon Wari got picked in Seattle and everybody was doing the oh they got the new cam Chancellor, And I'm sitting here going, oh, no, Mike McDonald came from Baltimore and he's got is Kyle Hamilton Like that's he knows how to use that big player in that role and it's so good. He's a kind of a faster version of Kyle Hamilton.

Means such such a good like such a good fit, such a good pick.

Means such such a good like such a good fit, such a good pick.

Not only that, because you're talking about em and worry like kind of dropping in there, but how about John Snyder and those guys looking and seeing a bigger, faster Cam Chancellor and being like, oh, you know, it kind of reminds me of we've had success in this model using this kind of player. Yeah, DJ it works, I believe, And I know people hate when we do the comparison things, but I'm telling you every coach it does this.

Not only that, because you're talking about em and worry like kind of dropping in there, but how about John Snyder and those guys looking and seeing a bigger, faster Cam Chancellor and being like, oh, you know, it kind of reminds me of we've had success in this model using this kind of player. Yeah, DJ it works, I believe, And I know people hate when we do the comparison things, but I'm telling you every coach it does this.

This guy reminds me of this. This is what I'm gonna do with him if he comes in. He's that. And when we are presenting a.

This guy reminds me of this. This is what I'm gonna do with him if he comes in. He's that. And when we are presenting a.

Player to the coach and said hey, coach, he kind of reminds us of the coach immediately said, oh, okay, this is a game plan for how we use a player that has that.

Player to the coach and said hey, coach, he kind of reminds us of the coach immediately said, oh, okay, this is a game plan for how we use a player that has that.

This is what we did with him. We'll do the same things and it'll work. For him as well.

This is what we did with him. We'll do the same things and it'll work. For him as well.

All right, this one was a fun one. Me Sean Payton goes and gets R. J. Harvey, which is his Darren Sproles.

All right, this one was a fun one. Me Sean Payton goes and gets R. J. Harvey, which is his Darren Sproles.

Oh yeah, Darren spos had a lot of success for the Saints.

Oh yeah, Darren spos had a lot of success for the Saints.

I mean, he was a very impactful player, and he was part of a deep rotation they would mixing in. You couldn't cover him out the backfield. He was so explosive also in the run in return game and all that other stuff. He did a lot for them. Very underrated are his contributions to what that team was able to do down in New Orleans?

I mean, he was a very impactful player, and he was part of a deep rotation they would mixing in. You couldn't cover him out the backfield. He was so explosive also in the run in return game and all that other stuff. He did a lot for them. Very underrated are his contributions to what that team was able to do down in New Orleans?

All right, I'm not saying these are that this player is as good as these players, but this is what I was told.

All right, I'm not saying these are that this player is as good as these players, but this is what I was told.

And I knew that.

And I knew that.

I knew the Cowboys were on the interior offensive lineman, so I knew. I thought there was a chance it could be a trade back and take Gray Zabel or Tyler Booker. They ended up, you know, kind of getting stuck there and then it has taken Booker. But what was told to me after the fact was in their meetings and in their conversations, it was like we've always had elite guards when we've had good teams like there's the era, the Larry Allen era, then there was the Zach Martin era where they want a lot of football games. So they understand the importance in their building of having valuable resources dedicated to the guard position. And so that's why they were comfortable when they got stuck and couldn't get out, saying, well, maybe not as much value around the league here, but for us, there's tremendous value to invest in this position.

I knew the Cowboys were on the interior offensive lineman, so I knew. I thought there was a chance it could be a trade back and take Gray Zabel or Tyler Booker. They ended up, you know, kind of getting stuck there and then it has taken Booker. But what was told to me after the fact was in their meetings and in their conversations, it was like we've always had elite guards when we've had good teams like there's the era, the Larry Allen era, then there was the Zach Martin era where they want a lot of football games. So they understand the importance in their building of having valuable resources dedicated to the guard position. And so that's why they were comfortable when they got stuck and couldn't get out, saying, well, maybe not as much value around the league here, but for us, there's tremendous value to invest in this position.

I'll even go deeper than that. I will say that.

I'll even go deeper than that. I will say that.

So Brian Schottenheimer is the son of Marty Schottenheimer. When we were all in Kansas City, Will Shields was at one guard, Tim Grunnett was at another guard in Dave's eye, and so Marty was standing in front of the room and say, it doesn't matter who we haven't running back. As long as we have this interior three, we can dominate anybody. And when I'm looking at the Cowboys and what they're creating, DJ, they're creating dominant interior three where they can just run the ball at whomever. And we always talk about build your team to win your division. Jalen Carter plays where three technique, Oh, you better have some people that are okay, making.

So Brian Schottenheimer is the son of Marty Schottenheimer. When we were all in Kansas City, Will Shields was at one guard, Tim Grunnett was at another guard in Dave's eye, and so Marty was standing in front of the room and say, it doesn't matter who we haven't running back. As long as we have this interior three, we can dominate anybody. And when I'm looking at the Cowboys and what they're creating, DJ, they're creating dominant interior three where they can just run the ball at whomever. And we always talk about build your team to win your division. Jalen Carter plays where three technique, Oh, you better have some people that are okay, making.

This a bit of a street fight at the point of attack in the middle.

This a bit of a street fight at the point of attack in the middle.

Now, I'm sure they've seen each other over the years too. Alabama Georgia games going back. I can't wait to see that one. That's gonna be fun. Last one again, not comparing to the Hall of Famer, but Malachi Starks ed reed just in terms of the body type, fluid, smooth movers who are incredibly football smart. So I think that's kind of the I think that helped inform the Ravens love for a guy like Malachi Starks.

Now, I'm sure they've seen each other over the years too. Alabama Georgia games going back. I can't wait to see that one. That's gonna be fun. Last one again, not comparing to the Hall of Famer, but Malachi Starks ed reed just in terms of the body type, fluid, smooth movers who are incredibly football smart. So I think that's kind of the I think that helped inform the Ravens love for a guy like Malachi Starks.

I'm all on board on that, DJ because the thing did I think about is I think.

I'm all on board on that, DJ because the thing did I think about is I think.

About his IQ.

About his IQ.

And during the process we talked about Malachay Starks and all the IQ stuff and what he did to me that's what it is.

And during the process we talked about Malachay Starks and all the IQ stuff and what he did to me that's what it is.

It's the high IQ stuff that would allow him to.

It's the high IQ stuff that would allow him to.

Play as a nice playmate to Cale Hamilton, to make a nun plays in the middle of the field.

Play as a nice playmate to Cale Hamilton, to make a nun plays in the middle of the field.

All right, last last thing here. That's it for those comps here and I'll hit you on one more thing and then we're going to uh, We're going to bounce out of here. But we talked so much about the edge and the DTS So I'm gonna go through.

All right, last last thing here. That's it for those comps here and I'll hit you on one more thing and then we're going to uh, We're going to bounce out of here. But we talked so much about the edge and the DTS So I'm gonna go through.

I'm gonna go through.

I'm gonna go through.

The top five to six, five or six guys at each position, and just tell me the value slash fit that you love the best. Okay, because we talked about this strength of this draft being the d lineman. So the DTS Mason Graham he goes five to the Cleveland Browns, Kenneth Grant earlier than a lot of people thought, thirteen to the Miami Dolphins, Walter Nolan at Ole mess at d tackle he goes sixteen to the Cardinals, Derek Harmon goes twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then Tyler Williams he goes twenty eight to the Detroit Lions from Ohio State. So which one of those to me you like the best in terms of the fit value, all that good stuff.

The top five to six, five or six guys at each position, and just tell me the value slash fit that you love the best. Okay, because we talked about this strength of this draft being the d lineman. So the DTS Mason Graham he goes five to the Cleveland Browns, Kenneth Grant earlier than a lot of people thought, thirteen to the Miami Dolphins, Walter Nolan at Ole mess at d tackle he goes sixteen to the Cardinals, Derek Harmon goes twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then Tyler Williams he goes twenty eight to the Detroit Lions from Ohio State. So which one of those to me you like the best in terms of the fit value, all that good stuff.

Well, honestly, I love Mason Graham, but I'm gonna say Walton Nolan, and I'm gonna say dj that I the more that I looked at Walton Noland late, the more I liked him, and what the Arizona Cardinals are doing in terms of being able to put him on the inside, and look they went with all pretty much all big ten draft right, get a bunch of.

Well, honestly, I love Mason Graham, but I'm gonna say Walton Nolan, and I'm gonna say dj that I the more that I looked at Walton Noland late, the more I liked him, and what the Arizona Cardinals are doing in terms of being able to put him on the inside, and look they went with all pretty much all big ten draft right, get a bunch of.

Gifts from the big ten and they invest in it.

Gifts from the big ten and they invest in it.

But Walton Nolan is a guy that is the outliery because it comes from the SEC. But look, man, you talk about a guy that was the former number one recruit in high school. He bounces around, but then at old mess Man, you see the flashes of dominance, and I just believe man, in the right system, the right environment, he is going to be a dominant player at the point of attack.

But Walton Nolan is a guy that is the outliery because it comes from the SEC. But look, man, you talk about a guy that was the former number one recruit in high school. He bounces around, but then at old mess Man, you see the flashes of dominance, and I just believe man, in the right system, the right environment, he is going to be a dominant player at the point of attack.

So to me, I love that pick. I love that fit.

So to me, I love that pick. I love that fit.

All right, that's a good one.

All right, that's a good one.

I'm going to actually go Derek Harmon with the Pittsburgh Steelers and we had Mike Tomlin on.

I'm going to actually go Derek Harmon with the Pittsburgh Steelers and we had Mike Tomlin on.

Uh.

Uh.

I don't know if you got a chance to see this. So this was the question I asked, and I didn't mention the stat but you know, they lost to Baltimore in the playoffs. Baltimore rushed for two hundred and ninety nine yards in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I said, defense, the pride you have in that unit, I said, when you walked off the field, like, how long before you started thinking about what you needed to do to revamp this defense? So that something like that would never happen again, and Tomlin just looked straight into the camera and said before I got in the shower, I was.

I don't know if you got a chance to see this. So this was the question I asked, and I didn't mention the stat but you know, they lost to Baltimore in the playoffs. Baltimore rushed for two hundred and ninety nine yards in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I said, defense, the pride you have in that unit, I said, when you walked off the field, like, how long before you started thinking about what you needed to do to revamp this defense? So that something like that would never happen again, and Tomlin just looked straight into the camera and said before I got in the shower, I was.

Like, I'm telling you, man, there's pride there. So what do you do. You got to get Derek Harmon, who can be a dominant player against the run. You go out and get Jack Sawyer, who is a rugged edgsetter. Think about that.

Like, I'm telling you, man, there's pride there. So what do you do. You got to get Derek Harmon, who can be a dominant player against the run. You go out and get Jack Sawyer, who is a rugged edgsetter. Think about that.

I was looking at their depth, jart Buck. They're going to run out there with t J. Watt and high Smith as their starters. Right now, They've got Herbig and Jack Sawyer. That's the three and a four edge rushers. Like that is they're gonna be able to roll those guys through, keep everybody fresh. But then y a black out out of Iowa who's massive, like they they didn't like that very much the way that went down last year, and they've kind of rebuilt, refortified and got younger across their front.

I was looking at their depth, jart Buck. They're going to run out there with t J. Watt and high Smith as their starters. Right now, They've got Herbig and Jack Sawyer. That's the three and a four edge rushers. Like that is they're gonna be able to roll those guys through, keep everybody fresh. But then y a black out out of Iowa who's massive, like they they didn't like that very much the way that went down last year, and they've kind of rebuilt, refortified and got younger across their front.

So I like that value. I like that fel Derrek Carmon's a really, really good player.

So I like that value. I like that fel Derrek Carmon's a really, really good player.

Look, and we talked about him as we were running up to the draft, about how good he is and how impactful he could be at the point of attack, and the thing that I love about the Steelers is not only taking.

Look, and we talked about him as we were running up to the draft, about how good he is and how impactful he could be at the point of attack, and the thing that I love about the Steelers is not only taking.

Like a Derek Carmon, right.

Like a Derek Carmon, right.

I feel like these teams that traditionally draft well, they have a clear understanding of their brand. So dj they get him at a point of attack, He's down to play anything. Come and get Jackson, like man, I should have known that they would get jack Do they not take every former Ohio State outside linebacker defensive manlight?

I feel like these teams that traditionally draft well, they have a clear understanding of their brand. So dj they get him at a point of attack, He's down to play anything. Come and get Jackson, like man, I should have known that they would get jack Do they not take every former Ohio State outside linebacker defensive manlight?

They always do it because it always.

They always do it because it always.

Fits what they want to do. And look, Man, Harmon is a good player. I love the effort and energy. He has a toughness to him that certainly fits how they want to play.

Fits what they want to do. And look, Man, Harmon is a good player. I love the effort and energy. He has a toughness to him that certainly fits how they want to play.

Man, it's funny that you said.

Man, it's funny that you said.

Tom that said that, because I think you know, you know, at the end of the day, especially the way Baltimore pat hands on him.

Tom that said that, because I think you know, you know, at the end of the day, especially the way Baltimore pat hands on him.

Yes, it's not good enough.

Yes, it's not good enough.

All right, let's go to the edge, guys. Here, abdul Carter, he goes three to the Giants. Mike L Williams goes eleven to the San Franco forty nine ers, which, by the way, the Niners took a bunch of run stoppers, which is kind of fascinating because we think about them as like, you know, wide nine attack fronts, like they took a bunch of guys who are kind of dominant, edge setting guys. I think that's a little bit of a byproduct of the Rams and their physicality and kind of how they want to play. So I thought that was fascinating. Shamar Stewart was seventeen to the Bengals, Jalen Walker right right before that, fifteen to Atlanta, and then James Pierce. They come back in the Falcons select him with their second first round pick, parting with next year's one, which is kind of a little bit of a shocker. And then the last one I'll give you here, donovin'z Araku in the second round to the Dallas Cowboys.

All right, let's go to the edge, guys. Here, abdul Carter, he goes three to the Giants. Mike L Williams goes eleven to the San Franco forty nine ers, which, by the way, the Niners took a bunch of run stoppers, which is kind of fascinating because we think about them as like, you know, wide nine attack fronts, like they took a bunch of guys who are kind of dominant, edge setting guys. I think that's a little bit of a byproduct of the Rams and their physicality and kind of how they want to play. So I thought that was fascinating. Shamar Stewart was seventeen to the Bengals, Jalen Walker right right before that, fifteen to Atlanta, and then James Pierce. They come back in the Falcons select him with their second first round pick, parting with next year's one, which is kind of a little bit of a shocker. And then the last one I'll give you here, donovin'z Araku in the second round to the Dallas Cowboys.

What do you like the best.

What do you like the best.

Man? As much as I love Pierce as a player, I like Asiraku going to the Dallas Cowboys.

Man? As much as I love Pierce as a player, I like Asiraku going to the Dallas Cowboys.

And the reason why is I just think about the defense flues coming back to Dallas, like they can play with urgent athletes on the edge. As a rok who just man his pace, his tempo, the vast are of moves that he has, I would say that he probably needs to cut it down so he can kind of master what he wants to do at the next level. But man, I just can see him and Michael Parsons kind of engaging in various games and doing things from stand up positions to create all kinds of problems for offenses on third downs.

And the reason why is I just think about the defense flues coming back to Dallas, like they can play with urgent athletes on the edge. As a rok who just man his pace, his tempo, the vast are of moves that he has, I would say that he probably needs to cut it down so he can kind of master what he wants to do at the next level. But man, I just can see him and Michael Parsons kind of engaging in various games and doing things from stand up positions to create all kinds of problems for offenses on third downs.

That's I would was actually going to go in that direction. So I'm going to go in a different direction here and ask you a question. If I told you next year, like, let's look at the first round guys are Abdull Carter, mikel Williams, Jalen Walker, Shamar Stewart, James Pierce. Those five guys, right, those five first rounders. If I told you that after the year, next year, that the second rounders, which is he's a rakkup, j T Tumolau, Nick s Gorton all the days shoe he goes to the Titans. Mike Green, if I told you that's five v five. If I told you next year, Buck the season ends and the second rounders end up having more sacks than the first rounders, what would you say.

That's I would was actually going to go in that direction. So I'm going to go in a different direction here and ask you a question. If I told you next year, like, let's look at the first round guys are Abdull Carter, mikel Williams, Jalen Walker, Shamar Stewart, James Pierce. Those five guys, right, those five first rounders. If I told you that after the year, next year, that the second rounders, which is he's a rakkup, j T Tumolau, Nick s Gorton all the days shoe he goes to the Titans. Mike Green, if I told you that's five v five. If I told you next year, Buck the season ends and the second rounders end up having more sacks than the first rounders, what would you say.

I wouldn't be surprised, because I think they're set up for success given where they're going. We always talk about the importance of fit in where you go. Mike Green going to the Baltimore Ravens. Look out, my goodness, you know what I'm saying Like that, that is one that I'm sure no one could have. He's going to be there. And then you talk about as a Roku and some of the other guys in the second round, they're a better positioned to kind of feast off teams that are having to chase points. Mike Green is going to have more opportunities to get up to the pass, and then maybe in Abdul card or some of these other guys, and so I just think the fit and the opportunities are going to be better for the second rounders.

I wouldn't be surprised, because I think they're set up for success given where they're going. We always talk about the importance of fit in where you go. Mike Green going to the Baltimore Ravens. Look out, my goodness, you know what I'm saying Like that, that is one that I'm sure no one could have. He's going to be there. And then you talk about as a Roku and some of the other guys in the second round, they're a better positioned to kind of feast off teams that are having to chase points. Mike Green is going to have more opportunities to get up to the pass, and then maybe in Abdul card or some of these other guys, and so I just think the fit and the opportunities are going to be better for the second rounders.

We talked about the second round being the sweet spot for these rushers, and these rushers that I mentioned in the second round, almost all of them have big production, like they know how to rush, like they're going to show up and be ready to rush the pass or whereas some of the traitsy guys in the first round that might be more for two three years from now. So I'd be curious that wouldn't check me in the least if that second round group ended up being better at least initially.

We talked about the second round being the sweet spot for these rushers, and these rushers that I mentioned in the second round, almost all of them have big production, like they know how to rush, like they're going to show up and be ready to rush the pass or whereas some of the traitsy guys in the first round that might be more for two three years from now. So I'd be curious that wouldn't check me in the least if that second round group ended up being better at least initially.

It wouldn't.

It wouldn't.

And DJ, let's be honest, like so many of the pass rushers that emerge and become guys or guys that are not taken in the first round. I mean, we've just seen pass rush position is just different in terms of where guy's spop. It's a lot about where you play, what scheme you're playing, and how you deployed.

And DJ, let's be honest, like so many of the pass rushers that emerge and become guys or guys that are not taken in the first round. I mean, we've just seen pass rush position is just different in terms of where guy's spop. It's a lot about where you play, what scheme you're playing, and how you deployed.

Those second round guys are.

Those second round guys are.

Going to have opportunities to play to their strengths, but they're playing on teams that are good that will set them up for chances where some of these other teams not the same thing. It's a huge weakness and you can be counted on to be an every down player where some of the second round guys are gonna be in a designated pass rushier road, which is so much different than being an every down run in.

Going to have opportunities to play to their strengths, but they're playing on teams that are good that will set them up for chances where some of these other teams not the same thing. It's a huge weakness and you can be counted on to be an every down player where some of the second round guys are gonna be in a designated pass rushier road, which is so much different than being an every down run in.

Passed off Yep, it'll be fun to watch all these guys, man, all right, this is fun. It was great to be back together and catch up Buck again. Thanks to everybody for hanging with us as we've gone through this entire draft process. We've got to have more shows coming your way. I'm gonna I'm gonna crawl under a rock for a little bit, Buck, take a little take a little break, and then we'll be back at it. But I'm excited. Now we have teams. Now we can start digging into what this is gonna look like next year. We've got the schedule release that's right around the corner. The NFL never sleeps, man.

Passed off Yep, it'll be fun to watch all these guys, man, all right, this is fun. It was great to be back together and catch up Buck again. Thanks to everybody for hanging with us as we've gone through this entire draft process. We've got to have more shows coming your way. I'm gonna I'm gonna crawl under a rock for a little bit, Buck, take a little take a little break, and then we'll be back at it. But I'm excited. Now we have teams. Now we can start digging into what this is gonna look like next year. We've got the schedule release that's right around the corner. The NFL never sleeps, man.

Never sleeps, and that's a great thing. The schedule release of the fourteenth. You got O ta's and minigames. You're gonna have a month off and then before you know it, we're gonna be in July and it's on the pop.

Never sleeps, and that's a great thing. The schedule release of the fourteenth. You got O ta's and minigames. You're gonna have a month off and then before you know it, we're gonna be in July and it's on the pop.

Appreciate you, guys. We'll see you next time. Right here, I move the sticks.

Appreciate you, guys. We'll see you next time. Right here, I move the sticks.