And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you, Buck? What is going on?

What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you, Buck? What is going on?

Man?

Man?

It looks like you're in the fl here.

It looks like you're in the fl here.

I am.

I am.

I'm down in Florida, down in Jacksonville. We have some preseason TV meetings that we're going over. I spent a couple of days watching the team. They got three OTA practices while I'm down here, so I check the team out. Get a chance to give you an update on what Travis Hunter is doing as a two way player, because we've never really seen that happened, so really excited about it. More pointanly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Trevor Lawrence is able to do because the new money on his deal is about the kick in and with more money comes higher expectations, and so we're looking for Trevor Lawrence to make a huge jump this year.

I'm down in Florida, down in Jacksonville. We have some preseason TV meetings that we're going over. I spent a couple of days watching the team. They got three OTA practices while I'm down here, so I check the team out. Get a chance to give you an update on what Travis Hunter is doing as a two way player, because we've never really seen that happened, so really excited about it. More pointanly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Trevor Lawrence is able to do because the new money on his deal is about the kick in and with more money comes higher expectations, and so we're looking for Trevor Lawrence to make a huge jump this year.

Oh that's going to get us right into this. It's time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the extra yards. So do you go further? With t Mobile for Business, Buck, We're going to get into a book that I've I've read about a different sport and we're going to bring it to football. But before we do that, I do want to start off, and you just tease it there with the fact that you're in Jacksonville. Let's start. First of all, I think people listen to us want to know is what is the early plan. What is the early thoughts there on what you see from Travis Hunter.

Oh that's going to get us right into this. It's time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the extra yards. So do you go further? With t Mobile for Business, Buck, We're going to get into a book that I've I've read about a different sport and we're going to bring it to football. But before we do that, I do want to start off, and you just tease it there with the fact that you're in Jacksonville. Let's start. First of all, I think people listen to us want to know is what is the early plan. What is the early thoughts there on what you see from Travis Hunter.

So the early plan right now is he's an offensive.

So the early plan right now is he's an offensive.

Player who also has defensive obligation, so he's a two way player.

Player who also has defensive obligation, so he's a two way player.

But I would say, like if he was playing on my high school team, we.

But I would say, like if he was playing on my high school team, we.

Would do Travis Hunter like a one and a half player, meaning he's going to start on offense and then he's going to be a situational player on defense, which makes a lot of sense anyone who is coached high school, who's played high school, that's typically how you go. You don't want to wear your guy out all the way. And I think there's a smart way to be able to get it done. And they have everything planned out. So from a practice schedule, standpoint three days of offense, one day at defense. Cover those situations that you need him on defense. Make sure he's ready for that, whether that's third down, red zone, got to have his situations, have him ready.

Would do Travis Hunter like a one and a half player, meaning he's going to start on offense and then he's going to be a situational player on defense, which makes a lot of sense anyone who is coached high school, who's played high school, that's typically how you go. You don't want to wear your guy out all the way. And I think there's a smart way to be able to get it done. And they have everything planned out. So from a practice schedule, standpoint three days of offense, one day at defense. Cover those situations that you need him on defense. Make sure he's ready for that, whether that's third down, red zone, got to have his situations, have him ready.

I think it's It's also a lot.

I think it's It's also a lot.

Easier to do it when you're more of a zone based team than a man based team, because when you think about zone, it's not the running around that is required in man demand when it's zone coverage is see ball, get ball, hang in your area, those things. And I also think that plays to his strengths. One of the things that I believed in Travis Hunter when he was coming out. I didn't necessarily see him as a lockdown corner. I saw him as a playmaking corner, someone that was going to potentially pick off a lot of passes because his ball skills are exceptional, His awareness and instincts, all of those things stood out to me. I think it'd be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they do it. But really, man, the kid is the one that makes it work. He is all ball, all the time, and that has been a bit of a change in terms of like the energy that he brings. It's infectious and it changes the dynamic in the locker room.

Easier to do it when you're more of a zone based team than a man based team, because when you think about zone, it's not the running around that is required in man demand when it's zone coverage is see ball, get ball, hang in your area, those things. And I also think that plays to his strengths. One of the things that I believed in Travis Hunter when he was coming out. I didn't necessarily see him as a lockdown corner. I saw him as a playmaking corner, someone that was going to potentially pick off a lot of passes because his ball skills are exceptional, His awareness and instincts, all of those things stood out to me. I think it'd be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they do it. But really, man, the kid is the one that makes it work. He is all ball, all the time, and that has been a bit of a change in terms of like the energy that he brings. It's infectious and it changes the dynamic in the locker room.

What is you know, what does that offense look like? Give give me an idea of they go out there in the spring here in this time, I'm heading it in the summer. Give me that skill position group. What's that? What's that look like?

What is you know, what does that offense look like? Give give me an idea of they go out there in the spring here in this time, I'm heading it in the summer. Give me that skill position group. What's that? What's that look like?

DJ?

DJ?

I think it's gonna be very, very reminiscent to what the Rams did early in Sean mcvay's tenure. So don't think about the latest iteration of the Rams when it was Pooka and Cooper Cup and those guys. I want you to go back to when it was Robert Woods, Brandon Cook's Cooper Cup and how they were fast and dynamic and really trying to stretch the field but then being able to dump it off. I think it's going to be that version Toami Brown, Ryan Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, you're here, Breton Strange name come in there as to tie end one.

I think it's gonna be very, very reminiscent to what the Rams did early in Sean mcvay's tenure. So don't think about the latest iteration of the Rams when it was Pooka and Cooper Cup and those guys. I want you to go back to when it was Robert Woods, Brandon Cook's Cooper Cup and how they were fast and dynamic and really trying to stretch the field but then being able to dump it off. I think it's going to be that version Toami Brown, Ryan Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, you're here, Breton Strange name come in there as to tie end one.

Parker Washington will play a big role in this offense.

Parker Washington will play a big role in this offense.

But this offense is going to be one where they think they can create explosive plays vertically and horizontally. And I would also say this, like Travis it's Yen. There's some conversation about wave it's in. He could actually benefit with the vertical stretch game because that may create more space for him to operate underneath and but y'all too, the rioky from Virginia Tech.

But this offense is going to be one where they think they can create explosive plays vertically and horizontally. And I would also say this, like Travis it's Yen. There's some conversation about wave it's in. He could actually benefit with the vertical stretch game because that may create more space for him to operate underneath and but y'all too, the rioky from Virginia Tech.

You can I know him, he might get some stuff. Now, look, I led you wrong last year when I said years ago, two years ago. So then so then I'm just.

You can I know him, he might get some stuff. Now, look, I led you wrong last year when I said years ago, two years ago. So then so then I'm just.

Signed the penalty box. I put you in the penalty box for a year in terms of my fantasy advice for my little fancy football team. But you're out of the penalty box now. I'm back taking all Bucket Books recommendations. So Tooting, I'll definitely make a note on that one. What's the early return, and how Trevor likes the new group, the new setup he's got there in terms of coaching staff, you know.

Signed the penalty box. I put you in the penalty box for a year in terms of my fantasy advice for my little fancy football team. But you're out of the penalty box now. I'm back taking all Bucket Books recommendations. So Tooting, I'll definitely make a note on that one. What's the early return, and how Trevor likes the new group, the new setup he's got there in terms of coaching staff, you know.

Listening to everything that Trevor said, like he's been really positive in terms of all of that stuff. And also I feel like the sense of belief in him from the coaching staff.

Listening to everything that Trevor said, like he's been really positive in terms of all of that stuff. And also I feel like the sense of belief in him from the coaching staff.

I think that rubs off on the player.

I think that rubs off on the player.

Like when the player feels like the coaching staff fully believes in his talent and what he can be. I think there's a different kind of buy in that you can get. He obviously knows that there is a lot on him, there's a lot of responsibilities on him. Obviously, give him the big contract. There's an ext spectation that this team goes from good to the great under his watch, So he has to figure that part out.

Like when the player feels like the coaching staff fully believes in his talent and what he can be. I think there's a different kind of buy in that you can get. He obviously knows that there is a lot on him, there's a lot of responsibilities on him. Obviously, give him the big contract. There's an ext spectation that this team goes from good to the great under his watch, So he has to figure that part out.

But here's what I do now.

But here's what I do now.

When you bet on people as opposed to the player, you're betting on the character of the kid. The character is right with Trevor Lawrence and Trevors Hunter and some of the other guys that.

When you bet on people as opposed to the player, you're betting on the character of the kid. The character is right with Trevor Lawrence and Trevors Hunter and some of the other guys that.

Are on the team. So I'm a believer that the team will be right because you got enough for those pieces in the locker room that want to be right.

Are on the team. So I'm a believer that the team will be right because you got enough for those pieces in the locker room that want to be right.

A lot of nice guys. Man, when you kind of think about that, like a lot of good dudes, nice guys. They've got nice yeah, you.

A lot of nice guys. Man, when you kind of think about that, like a lot of good dudes, nice guys. They've got nice yeah, you.

Know, and look, they've always had a team full of nice guys.

Know, and look, they've always had a team full of nice guys.

I would say maybe the difference is is the thing that kind of came up throughout the draft. We heard a lot of reports and people putting that third callum on the board about characters.

I would say maybe the difference is is the thing that kind of came up throughout the draft. We heard a lot of reports and people putting that third callum on the board about characters.

Do they love it? They really love it?

Do they love it? They really love it?

I think you might have more guys that love it in the locker room than they had in the past. That naturally changes the culture. So when you have want to guys as opposed to have two, yeah, it changes everything. And the great team that you and I have been around a DJ there were player lead You could go out. You might be looking on the practice field and you see a handful of guys working out on their own, not because someone made them, but just because that was kind of the standard in expectation. I've heard you talk about ed Read and Ray Lewis and how they kind of hel guys to a different standard. I think that is some of the stuff that you're hopeful that will happen.

I think you might have more guys that love it in the locker room than they had in the past. That naturally changes the culture. So when you have want to guys as opposed to have two, yeah, it changes everything. And the great team that you and I have been around a DJ there were player lead You could go out. You might be looking on the practice field and you see a handful of guys working out on their own, not because someone made them, but just because that was kind of the standard in expectation. I've heard you talk about ed Read and Ray Lewis and how they kind of hel guys to a different standard. I think that is some of the stuff that you're hopeful that will happen.

In Jackson in no doubt. Well there you go. That's a wrap for the lead block presented by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile for Business? Buck I teased it at the top. You know, this is our time of year. We both love to read, and this is the time of year where we actually have a little more time to dig into some stuff and whether that's you know, audiobooks, listening to listening to podcasts, reading books, just different things trying to learn and grow. And you know, I think we both share a passion for trying to study other sports and how that can help us in our football life. And man, I'm I'm about halfway through this book right now, but I wanted to jump into it because it's a book. Stevie Williams is the caddy for Tiger Woods for a very long time, really during his his key stretch of dominance on the PGA tour. This book's called Together We Roared. And I've never really read a ton on Tiger I've seen obviously, you know, there's been a million different things on TV over the years kind of tell his story, but this is kind of going into that block that just the most dominant, you know, piece of golf we've ever seen from anybody. I mean, just I did not realize. I mean I followed golf loosely during those early years in the early two thousands, late nineties kind of going into his epic run, but I wasn't like locked in and didn't really rufuly understand a whole lot about golf. So when you're going through this and you're you're reading this and you're like, he was so much better than everybody else, Like it was utter dominance. But when I was reading reading to this thing, like there was a lot of takeaways that stood out to me, and so I jotted five down and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts. And this relates to other sports, particularly in the football world. But the first one, the first takeaway. He wasn't afraid to tinker when he was at the top. So he wins his first major in a dominating fashion at the Masters, and you think, okay, well, what I'm doing is working. But he was not happy with some of the variants in his game and his swing and not getting the consistent results that he wanted. So he actually made some swing changes and kind of had to take almost a little bit of a step back while he was adjusting to these changes because he knew in order to be as dominant as he wanted to be, even though he was at the very top buck there was no satisfaction. He was always looking to try and see what I need to change to get better at or, as some people would say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I feel like the truly great ones, even when they get to the top of the mountain, they're like, I need in order to stay here, I got to do something a little more, a little different.

In Jackson in no doubt. Well there you go. That's a wrap for the lead block presented by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile for Business? Buck I teased it at the top. You know, this is our time of year. We both love to read, and this is the time of year where we actually have a little more time to dig into some stuff and whether that's you know, audiobooks, listening to listening to podcasts, reading books, just different things trying to learn and grow. And you know, I think we both share a passion for trying to study other sports and how that can help us in our football life. And man, I'm I'm about halfway through this book right now, but I wanted to jump into it because it's a book. Stevie Williams is the caddy for Tiger Woods for a very long time, really during his his key stretch of dominance on the PGA tour. This book's called Together We Roared. And I've never really read a ton on Tiger I've seen obviously, you know, there's been a million different things on TV over the years kind of tell his story, but this is kind of going into that block that just the most dominant, you know, piece of golf we've ever seen from anybody. I mean, just I did not realize. I mean I followed golf loosely during those early years in the early two thousands, late nineties kind of going into his epic run, but I wasn't like locked in and didn't really rufuly understand a whole lot about golf. So when you're going through this and you're you're reading this and you're like, he was so much better than everybody else, Like it was utter dominance. But when I was reading reading to this thing, like there was a lot of takeaways that stood out to me, and so I jotted five down and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts. And this relates to other sports, particularly in the football world. But the first one, the first takeaway. He wasn't afraid to tinker when he was at the top. So he wins his first major in a dominating fashion at the Masters, and you think, okay, well, what I'm doing is working. But he was not happy with some of the variants in his game and his swing and not getting the consistent results that he wanted. So he actually made some swing changes and kind of had to take almost a little bit of a step back while he was adjusting to these changes because he knew in order to be as dominant as he wanted to be, even though he was at the very top buck there was no satisfaction. He was always looking to try and see what I need to change to get better at or, as some people would say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I feel like the truly great ones, even when they get to the top of the mountain, they're like, I need in order to stay here, I got to do something a little more, a little different.

You know.

You know.

It's funny to say that because Nick Saban also has subscribed to that theory. That even when you at the top, that doesn't mean that you stay with what you've done to get you there. You always have to be one step ahead of the posse when it comes to trying to achieve the greatness that you believe as possible with the group that you have.

It's funny to say that because Nick Saban also has subscribed to that theory. That even when you at the top, that doesn't mean that you stay with what you've done to get you there. You always have to be one step ahead of the posse when it comes to trying to achieve the greatness that you believe as possible with the group that you have.

And for Tiger was to do that, I do remember he did a radical.

And for Tiger was to do that, I do remember he did a radical.

Swing change, like right after he started winning, changed coaches. I think he had Butch Harmon or whatever. Change coaches. Yeah, and just look lost a few, but when he came back and he went on that run, it was a different Tiger Woods that you're dealing with. And look, man, that's courageous. You cannot be a shrinking Violet if you're willing to make those changes at the top, and so many of us would not do it. Like, think about the great football teams that we've seen, and will use the Patriots because they were the most dominant football team that we've seen in that era, But think about how they constantly change the way they approached the game, like they.

Swing change, like right after he started winning, changed coaches. I think he had Butch Harmon or whatever. Change coaches. Yeah, and just look lost a few, but when he came back and he went on that run, it was a different Tiger Woods that you're dealing with. And look, man, that's courageous. You cannot be a shrinking Violet if you're willing to make those changes at the top, and so many of us would not do it. Like, think about the great football teams that we've seen, and will use the Patriots because they were the most dominant football team that we've seen in that era, But think about how they constantly change the way they approached the game, like they.

Wanted us different.

Wanted us different.

Yeah, Tom Brady was the central figure in that, but look, they won with the defense leading the way they won with Brady playing small ball with a cast of Unhara pass catches on the outside. They won, didn't win the Super Bowl, but they won with Randy Moss and then playing big boy ball, pushing it down the field. The adaptability of great coaches chasing that ultimate game, that ultimate season.

Yeah, Tom Brady was the central figure in that, but look, they won with the defense leading the way they won with Brady playing small ball with a cast of Unhara pass catches on the outside. They won, didn't win the Super Bowl, but they won with Randy Moss and then playing big boy ball, pushing it down the field. The adaptability of great coaches chasing that ultimate game, that ultimate season.

It's a testament to the courage that they had.

It's a testament to the courage that they had.

Yeah, again, that's what's so neat about setting these great players, historically dominant players, you know, greatest of all time type players, and you take it over to other sports and you see a lot of the things that they share in common. So that was the first one there a little tinker at the top. The next one I wrote down was practice with a Purpose. It talks a lot about how guys would go to the range and hit, you know, hundreds of balls and do different things. And it said he never took a swing, that he wasn't focused on one particular thing on every single swing. And he talks to the caddies telling the story, and he talks about how he basically had to be security like he when he would go to the range to work and everybody wanted to come up and get a piece of him. Fellows, maybe there's a sponsor, Maybe it's a guy who's running the tournament. They would all kind of try and walk over to him, and he said, Tiger kind of had like a signal he would give him like hey, I'm I'm working, like I'll talk to you later, but not now like it was. There was like a focus and a purpose with every single swing that he took. I thought that was pretty fascinating.

Yeah, again, that's what's so neat about setting these great players, historically dominant players, you know, greatest of all time type players, and you take it over to other sports and you see a lot of the things that they share in common. So that was the first one there a little tinker at the top. The next one I wrote down was practice with a Purpose. It talks a lot about how guys would go to the range and hit, you know, hundreds of balls and do different things. And it said he never took a swing, that he wasn't focused on one particular thing on every single swing. And he talks to the caddies telling the story, and he talks about how he basically had to be security like he when he would go to the range to work and everybody wanted to come up and get a piece of him. Fellows, maybe there's a sponsor, Maybe it's a guy who's running the tournament. They would all kind of try and walk over to him, and he said, Tiger kind of had like a signal he would give him like hey, I'm I'm working, like I'll talk to you later, but not now like it was. There was like a focus and a purpose with every single swing that he took. I thought that was pretty fascinating.

You know, I think it's very common with the great ones.

You know, I think it's very common with the great ones.

The great ones in sports always talk about deliberate practice the lake. Kobe Bryant would talk about the intent that you have behind every practice rip, the things that you're going in to work on. You may go into the gym and just work on one move over and over and over again. Tiger Woods was notorious for just how great he was with his short game. So even when his stuff off the tee wasn't right short game, he could always make it up because it's the scoring zone. That's the area that a lot of people just kind of by the pass they ignore because they want to hit the driver off the tee and do all the other stuff.

The great ones in sports always talk about deliberate practice the lake. Kobe Bryant would talk about the intent that you have behind every practice rip, the things that you're going in to work on. You may go into the gym and just work on one move over and over and over again. Tiger Woods was notorious for just how great he was with his short game. So even when his stuff off the tee wasn't right short game, he could always make it up because it's the scoring zone. That's the area that a lot of people just kind of by the pass they ignore because they want to hit the driver off the tee and do all the other stuff.

But the points the games won and loss.

But the points the games won and loss.

When it comes to Putton, Chipping and Putton is what he always would talk about and when you think about the deliberate practice. I talk about Kobe, also talk about Malcolm Gladwell and they talked about ten thousand hours and how the masterpieces came for Dvinci and Michaelangelo when they poured in ten thousand hours of deliberate practice on their crap.

When it comes to Putton, Chipping and Putton is what he always would talk about and when you think about the deliberate practice. I talk about Kobe, also talk about Malcolm Gladwell and they talked about ten thousand hours and how the masterpieces came for Dvinci and Michaelangelo when they poured in ten thousand hours of deliberate practice on their crap.

That's what it takes.

That's what it takes.

And at a time when we talk about loving the game and gotta have a group of guys that really love it, is because the great ones know that you have to pour in all this extra time.

And at a time when we talk about loving the game and gotta have a group of guys that really love it, is because the great ones know that you have to pour in all this extra time.

Time that's not required.

Time that's not required.

Time does not standard, but the time that everyone knows is necessary to be great.

Time does not standard, but the time that everyone knows is necessary to be great.

There's a lot of great stories in there, one of which was he was in the middle I think it was in the middle of a major and was driving with the caddy like back to the hotel or wherever they were staying at that tournament, and he said, hey, pull over, and they're like, well, he like pulls over to the side of the road. He goes to the trunk, He takes out his seven iron off to the side of the road and takes like five swims, puts the thing back in the in the bag, gets in the car and goes We're good. I found it like like he had thought of it was there was something with that particular club that didn't feel right, and he must have why he they were driving, he must have thought there's some there's some tip or something that he thought of of like a key, a feel, and he's like, why before this leaves my mind, I got to get that club in my hand so I can feel what I'm thinking. And then he found it, and then it said like he was locked in with that club the whole rest of the time. Tell stories about when he would go play, you know, overseas and he'd be playing in uh in England or wherever they were going to play, and he would go to Ireland ahead of time because he wanted to get used to those types of courses. But he could do it without people knowing he was there and just go over there and practice and know that he needed to keep hit lower shots, stay out of the wind because of the conditions over there. And so that was, you know, that was fascinating to me, and that that gets to my next one because it was it was this tournament at Saint Andrews, which was the first open that he won, you know, overseas or to get as he's working towards that Grand Slam, the British Open, and he in this tournament. This is why I wrote down those great elite players, their goals are different than normal people, like a normal person would write down, I want to win the British Open, right. His goal when he got there was I'm not going to hit a bunker, like they're notorious that course over there, it's Andrew's like, it's just these these super tall, narrow bunkers. You can't get out of them. They're a nightmare. And he played that whole round did not hit one bunker, So everybody else is like, how do I shoot low? There's another one where he's talking about He just was like, I'm not going to three putt, and he went on like an epic string of like several tournaments in a row without three putting, went through a whole tournament and no bogies, like I'm not just like that is my focus. They will not be a single boat bogie. He talked about margin of vict like I'm going to win this tournament by the greatest margin that we've ever seen, and some of his margins the victory were ridiculous for the people that are you know, more golf knowledgeable than I am, Like I was shocked, Like when you're twelve under in the second place, guy is three over and a major, Like it was just a level of not just I want to win, but it was very think about. I think EMMITTT. Smith had talked about this a long long time ago, like specific goals, like you have to set specific goals. It's not a dream, it's not a hope and a wish, but it's very specific. And he was, I mean, he was doing incredible things beyond just winning, like he talked about after the Caddy's telling the story about after the you know, he he makes a like kind of a long par putt on seventeen and a major and then he really celebrated and he said everybody thought he was celebrating because he kind of clinched the the win, and he was like he was celebrity because he kept his string alive with no bogies because he's got That was his obsession was just no bogies in this in this tournament.

There's a lot of great stories in there, one of which was he was in the middle I think it was in the middle of a major and was driving with the caddy like back to the hotel or wherever they were staying at that tournament, and he said, hey, pull over, and they're like, well, he like pulls over to the side of the road. He goes to the trunk, He takes out his seven iron off to the side of the road and takes like five swims, puts the thing back in the in the bag, gets in the car and goes We're good. I found it like like he had thought of it was there was something with that particular club that didn't feel right, and he must have why he they were driving, he must have thought there's some there's some tip or something that he thought of of like a key, a feel, and he's like, why before this leaves my mind, I got to get that club in my hand so I can feel what I'm thinking. And then he found it, and then it said like he was locked in with that club the whole rest of the time. Tell stories about when he would go play, you know, overseas and he'd be playing in uh in England or wherever they were going to play, and he would go to Ireland ahead of time because he wanted to get used to those types of courses. But he could do it without people knowing he was there and just go over there and practice and know that he needed to keep hit lower shots, stay out of the wind because of the conditions over there. And so that was, you know, that was fascinating to me, and that that gets to my next one because it was it was this tournament at Saint Andrews, which was the first open that he won, you know, overseas or to get as he's working towards that Grand Slam, the British Open, and he in this tournament. This is why I wrote down those great elite players, their goals are different than normal people, like a normal person would write down, I want to win the British Open, right. His goal when he got there was I'm not going to hit a bunker, like they're notorious that course over there, it's Andrew's like, it's just these these super tall, narrow bunkers. You can't get out of them. They're a nightmare. And he played that whole round did not hit one bunker, So everybody else is like, how do I shoot low? There's another one where he's talking about He just was like, I'm not going to three putt, and he went on like an epic string of like several tournaments in a row without three putting, went through a whole tournament and no bogies, like I'm not just like that is my focus. They will not be a single boat bogie. He talked about margin of vict like I'm going to win this tournament by the greatest margin that we've ever seen, and some of his margins the victory were ridiculous for the people that are you know, more golf knowledgeable than I am, Like I was shocked, Like when you're twelve under in the second place, guy is three over and a major, Like it was just a level of not just I want to win, but it was very think about. I think EMMITTT. Smith had talked about this a long long time ago, like specific goals, like you have to set specific goals. It's not a dream, it's not a hope and a wish, but it's very specific. And he was, I mean, he was doing incredible things beyond just winning, like he talked about after the Caddy's telling the story about after the you know, he he makes a like kind of a long par putt on seventeen and a major and then he really celebrated and he said everybody thought he was celebrating because he kind of clinched the the win, and he was like he was celebrity because he kept his string alive with no bogies because he's got That was his obsession was just no bogies in this in this tournament.

A few different things Emma Smith has talked about, like goals or dreams with the timeline, like he talks about that. So when you talk about Tiger putting those specific things and what he wanted to achieve and how lofty they are, but putting the timeline on those accompliments for himself.

A few different things Emma Smith has talked about, like goals or dreams with the timeline, like he talks about that. So when you talk about Tiger putting those specific things and what he wanted to achieve and how lofty they are, but putting the timeline on those accompliments for himself.

That falls in line with what M Smith all time Russia talked about. The other thing that I hear is.

That falls in line with what M Smith all time Russia talked about. The other thing that I hear is.

The standard, right, and I just think about like Nick Saban and Belichicking, those guys talk about, we don't play the scoreboard.

The standard, right, and I just think about like Nick Saban and Belichicking, those guys talk about, we don't play the scoreboard.

We played to the standard.

We played to the standard.

So it's not about whether we win or lose, but it's more so how we play. If we played to the standard and we lost, that's fine. If we played to the in one, but we didn't play to the standard, I'm more upset about the way that it should look and feel when we're playing. It sounded like Tiger operated on that process oriented but also very very high standard driven when it comes to what he wanted to look like, how he wanted it to feel, and he knew that if he played to his standard, the winning is a byproduct of him doing all of those things right. But I'll say this DJ, like, sometimes when you're that champion and ship caliber team, that team that operates at a high level like that, when you play to that standard, it's so intimidating that you actually start winning because people go into the thing thinking that they have no shot to beat you.

So it's not about whether we win or lose, but it's more so how we play. If we played to the standard and we lost, that's fine. If we played to the in one, but we didn't play to the standard, I'm more upset about the way that it should look and feel when we're playing. It sounded like Tiger operated on that process oriented but also very very high standard driven when it comes to what he wanted to look like, how he wanted it to feel, and he knew that if he played to his standard, the winning is a byproduct of him doing all of those things right. But I'll say this DJ, like, sometimes when you're that champion and ship caliber team, that team that operates at a high level like that, when you play to that standard, it's so intimidating that you actually start winning because people go into the thing thinking that they have no shot to beat you.

And I feel like so many times.

And I feel like so many times.

For Tiger on Sunday, when people saw him in red, they knew if he's in the hunt, it's a wrap.

For Tiger on Sunday, when people saw him in red, they knew if he's in the hunt, it's a wrap.

And you know, it's interesting.

And you know, it's interesting.

I can't wait to hear the additional takeaways that you have because never seen anyone who could change his game to do what he needed to do.

I can't wait to hear the additional takeaways that you have because never seen anyone who could change his game to do what he needed to do.

Just to win.

Just to win.

If I need to be aggressive, I could dial it up. If I need to scale it back, because I got this, I can dial it back.

If I need to be aggressive, I could dial it up. If I need to scale it back, because I got this, I can dial it back.

You know what my next point is, Buck, I don't even know if you can see it here, but it's exactly what you were just saying there.

You know what my next point is, Buck, I don't even know if you can see it here, but it's exactly what you were just saying there.

Oh wow, yeah, selectively aggressive.

Oh wow, yeah, selectively aggressive.

Yeah, it was literally that's my next point because it talks about how, hey, there's tournaments where guys are going to go low, so I'm gonna I know, I need to be aggressive here and we're going to attack a little bit more. But then there's other ones where it's like, hey, I'm I'm playing the course. And they said he was so good at Augusta of just knowing where to place balls and be conservative, like everybody el's gonna fall off, They're gonna all make mistakes, but he's gonna play know exactly what areas of the course he needs to do, and it's kind of like navigating on that individual course. So in other words, it was select to be selectively aggressive manage the course. The different courses, different tournaments are going to demand different things. So it was like, you know, I thought about it was like Tiger was a game manager.

Yeah, it was literally that's my next point because it talks about how, hey, there's tournaments where guys are going to go low, so I'm gonna I know, I need to be aggressive here and we're going to attack a little bit more. But then there's other ones where it's like, hey, I'm I'm playing the course. And they said he was so good at Augusta of just knowing where to place balls and be conservative, like everybody el's gonna fall off, They're gonna all make mistakes, but he's gonna play know exactly what areas of the course he needs to do, and it's kind of like navigating on that individual course. So in other words, it was select to be selectively aggressive manage the course. The different courses, different tournaments are going to demand different things. So it was like, you know, I thought about it was like Tiger was a game manager.

Like he was.

Like he was.

He was like that elite, elite talent. But also it's like, hey, I need to kind of let's just manage this. We'll just manage this game here, you.

He was like that elite, elite talent. But also it's like, hey, I need to kind of let's just manage this. We'll just manage this game here, you.

Know I would Okay, So I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna give him his flowers even though they're coming off a super all loss. To me, it's the Pat Mahomes approach. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes takes a Tiger Woods approach to the game. Like I think Pat Mahomes is unique in terms of he can do all the magical stuff, the sorcery that we see him, the noo throws, the scrambles, and the improvisation, but there is also a part of his game where he'll manage the game and just do what he needs to do to win, and we've seen that happen for so long. And one of the reasons why he operates with such a hot winning percentage is because he has learned how to be selectively aggressive as he's matured and gotten older in the league and three Super Bowls five years, all.

Know I would Okay, So I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna give him his flowers even though they're coming off a super all loss. To me, it's the Pat Mahomes approach. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes takes a Tiger Woods approach to the game. Like I think Pat Mahomes is unique in terms of he can do all the magical stuff, the sorcery that we see him, the noo throws, the scrambles, and the improvisation, but there is also a part of his game where he'll manage the game and just do what he needs to do to win, and we've seen that happen for so long. And one of the reasons why he operates with such a hot winning percentage is because he has learned how to be selectively aggressive as he's matured and gotten older in the league and three Super Bowls five years, all.

Of that that comes with it.

Of that that comes with it.

So it's not about like even type, it's not about winning every tournament, but that mentality and that approach gives you a chance to always be in the hunt.

So it's not about like even type, it's not about winning every tournament, but that mentality and that approach gives you a chance to always be in the hunt.

Yeah, it's to me, it was and you mentioned Mahomes. It's that when you have the elite mental capacity and it's a combination, right, you have the ability, you have the mental capacity, and then the maturity to know which of those you need to delve more into based off of a particular their game or particular course, particular day like today is going to be a mental day, Like we're just going to be mature, we're going to be smart, we're gonna play it safe. And then also some of these days, like man, I got to put my cape on today, like in order to do what needs to be done, I got to be that guy that I know I'm capable of. But to me, it's it's just fascinating that you see these other guys, like think about basketball players. Some games like I can just be a distributor in this game, and then there's other games I gotta kind of take the game over all. Right, before we get back to the rest of this list, let's take a quick break. To me, it was interesting that if you think about these all time greats, and I think in our lifetime in terms of athletes, tell me if I'm missing anybody, but I would say it was Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams probably the three most dominant athletes. Am I missing somebody? That feels to me like that's the three? And I soccer I don't know as well, so I guess it Messi or whoever you wanted to say in soccer. But those to me feel like the three of our era of the last quarter century. Those are the three most dominant athletes. And to me, it's ironic that like him and him and Mike play golf together all the time and we're good buddies, like it. Not a coincidence, not.

Yeah, it's to me, it was and you mentioned Mahomes. It's that when you have the elite mental capacity and it's a combination, right, you have the ability, you have the mental capacity, and then the maturity to know which of those you need to delve more into based off of a particular their game or particular course, particular day like today is going to be a mental day, Like we're just going to be mature, we're going to be smart, we're gonna play it safe. And then also some of these days, like man, I got to put my cape on today, like in order to do what needs to be done, I got to be that guy that I know I'm capable of. But to me, it's it's just fascinating that you see these other guys, like think about basketball players. Some games like I can just be a distributor in this game, and then there's other games I gotta kind of take the game over all. Right, before we get back to the rest of this list, let's take a quick break. To me, it was interesting that if you think about these all time greats, and I think in our lifetime in terms of athletes, tell me if I'm missing anybody, but I would say it was Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams probably the three most dominant athletes. Am I missing somebody? That feels to me like that's the three? And I soccer I don't know as well, so I guess it Messi or whoever you wanted to say in soccer. But those to me feel like the three of our era of the last quarter century. Those are the three most dominant athletes. And to me, it's ironic that like him and him and Mike play golf together all the time and we're good buddies, like it. Not a coincidence, not.

A coincidence because they're flocked together. So these when you think about how your mentality is how you're wired. Those guys who are aggressive like that, who are successful like that, they all operate in.

A coincidence because they're flocked together. So these when you think about how your mentality is how you're wired. Those guys who are aggressive like that, who are successful like that, they all operate in.

The same spaces. Like they have the same obsessive nature.

The same spaces. Like they have the same obsessive nature.

When it comes to winning in the details, which is why they can't make many friends, but they tend to gravitate towards one another. Look Tiger Woods, like prior to the injuries, and some of those injuries were done out of a desire to try and push himself to the next level away from the course. So he's trying to do these things to make himself even more dominant. Like I know he had a fascination with the Navy Seals and all that other stuff, like those things trying to be the elite of the elites. They have that obsessive nature when it comes to competing and winning and being the best, and they're hyper critical of their performances. But they're hyper critical because they pour so much into the preparation process.

When it comes to winning in the details, which is why they can't make many friends, but they tend to gravitate towards one another. Look Tiger Woods, like prior to the injuries, and some of those injuries were done out of a desire to try and push himself to the next level away from the course. So he's trying to do these things to make himself even more dominant. Like I know he had a fascination with the Navy Seals and all that other stuff, like those things trying to be the elite of the elites. They have that obsessive nature when it comes to competing and winning and being the best, and they're hyper critical of their performances. But they're hyper critical because they pour so much into the preparation process.

Yeah no, And look, we could get into all the Olympic athletes too. You can get into the Michael Phelps, Michael Biles like all, Like there's another whole core group. But I just think in terms of like the biggest like stars brand name sports. Those were the three that came to mind there. The last one I wrote down to the five takeaways. Again, I'm only halfway through this thing, so I'm anxious see what else I learned through here. But I wrote down and hire the right people, to hire the right people and empower them. And obviously this book's written by the caddy, so I'm sure and those that know golf might say a little more importance is given to the caddy than maybe he deserved. Maybe it is. Obviously, you know, Tiger is Tiger, but there's no mistake in the fact that these guys had incredible run together and he did have an impact. And it tells stories about how going back to Michael Jordan, there was a Major in Chicago, I think Madna is that the name of the golf course anyway, so somewhere where Jordan was a member. So they had gone out there like a week or two ahead of the Major to play the course, but also so the caddy could go get information. He got information. Michael Jordan actually supplied them some information, gave him a tip that like, hey, on on the back nine, like that, it's going to look like there's more break than there is like Michael played the course all the time, remember there, And so then it talks about how the caddy would then go around and talk to all the local pros you know that played this course or remembers there to get advice and information for them. And then there's a big putt in this tournament late and Tiger says, I see it kind of a cup out to the right, and Stevie Williams goes, no, it looks like that, but it's really inside right edge, Like just trust it inside right edge. And he was like, look, it have been easy for me to say, hey, I'll just go with you whatever he says, because then if it does work out, hey you're on the same page. But to kind of contradict him and to give him a different read, a different line, he put himself out there a little bit. But Tiger trusted him, listened to him. He hits it just inside right edge and it drops right in the cup and he kind of wins the tournament. But the point being, if you trust the caddy, you hire him, he does all the work. You trust that he's going to do the work and know the course and talk to the people there and have a good feel for it. And then when he gives you the read, you don't you don't poo poo him, you don't say I know better than you do. You say, Okay, that's what you were hired to do, that was your job. I'm gonna trust you and then we'll go get it done. And I was thinking of in football, what no greater example of that than when you you know you have a coordinator, you hired the coordinator, like, let him call the game, Like that's that's what his job is. If you trust him to do that, let him do it.

Yeah no, And look, we could get into all the Olympic athletes too. You can get into the Michael Phelps, Michael Biles like all, Like there's another whole core group. But I just think in terms of like the biggest like stars brand name sports. Those were the three that came to mind there. The last one I wrote down to the five takeaways. Again, I'm only halfway through this thing, so I'm anxious see what else I learned through here. But I wrote down and hire the right people, to hire the right people and empower them. And obviously this book's written by the caddy, so I'm sure and those that know golf might say a little more importance is given to the caddy than maybe he deserved. Maybe it is. Obviously, you know, Tiger is Tiger, but there's no mistake in the fact that these guys had incredible run together and he did have an impact. And it tells stories about how going back to Michael Jordan, there was a Major in Chicago, I think Madna is that the name of the golf course anyway, so somewhere where Jordan was a member. So they had gone out there like a week or two ahead of the Major to play the course, but also so the caddy could go get information. He got information. Michael Jordan actually supplied them some information, gave him a tip that like, hey, on on the back nine, like that, it's going to look like there's more break than there is like Michael played the course all the time, remember there, And so then it talks about how the caddy would then go around and talk to all the local pros you know that played this course or remembers there to get advice and information for them. And then there's a big putt in this tournament late and Tiger says, I see it kind of a cup out to the right, and Stevie Williams goes, no, it looks like that, but it's really inside right edge, Like just trust it inside right edge. And he was like, look, it have been easy for me to say, hey, I'll just go with you whatever he says, because then if it does work out, hey you're on the same page. But to kind of contradict him and to give him a different read, a different line, he put himself out there a little bit. But Tiger trusted him, listened to him. He hits it just inside right edge and it drops right in the cup and he kind of wins the tournament. But the point being, if you trust the caddy, you hire him, he does all the work. You trust that he's going to do the work and know the course and talk to the people there and have a good feel for it. And then when he gives you the read, you don't you don't poo poo him, you don't say I know better than you do. You say, Okay, that's what you were hired to do, that was your job. I'm gonna trust you and then we'll go get it done. And I was thinking of in football, what no greater example of that than when you you know you have a coordinator, you hired the coordinator, like, let him call the game, Like that's that's what his job is. If you trust him to do that, let him do it.

And that is a big part of it, like hiring good people, and the great coaches hire people that they may even deem to be smarter than them because they want the best people around it and they empower it. If you have someone good, they say, give them more stuff. Got to keep them engaging. They're going to do the best with what they have, and they're gonna turn that little opportunity into a better opportunity because they're gonna pour everything into it. For Tiger Woods to trust his caddy to me, that that's everything. Like there are few things that we talked about in team sports that matter. Commitment, accountability, and trust, and trust is really the big thing because you got to be committed to do it. You got to hold each other accountable. But if you committed an accountable now you can be trustworth. And I think that Tiger had to see that. Look, Steve was in it just like he was, he could hold him accountable. And because he was accountable in terms of how he held himself and how he held Tiger accountable to some things, that led to the trust that was needed to make those decisions in key moments.

And that is a big part of it, like hiring good people, and the great coaches hire people that they may even deem to be smarter than them because they want the best people around it and they empower it. If you have someone good, they say, give them more stuff. Got to keep them engaging. They're going to do the best with what they have, and they're gonna turn that little opportunity into a better opportunity because they're gonna pour everything into it. For Tiger Woods to trust his caddy to me, that that's everything. Like there are few things that we talked about in team sports that matter. Commitment, accountability, and trust, and trust is really the big thing because you got to be committed to do it. You got to hold each other accountable. But if you committed an accountable now you can be trustworth. And I think that Tiger had to see that. Look, Steve was in it just like he was, he could hold him accountable. And because he was accountable in terms of how he held himself and how he held Tiger accountable to some things, that led to the trust that was needed to make those decisions in key moments.

Yeah, it's uh, you know, to me, it's it's really been a fun read and learning more about it, learning more about that era. I mean, the guy was just so dominant and it was something that we had never seen and all the hype. Think about all the hype, like who who exceeds the hype when they come into the professional space, Like to think about Mike, Like going back to Michael Jordan, like he wasn't the first overall pick like this was. I mean he was everybody knew he was good, but nobody knew he would be the greatest of all time. Tom Brady was no expectations. He was a six round pick. Like to me, the only thing that's even somewhat comparable be Lebron, Like, Lebron came into it with these unimaginable, unreachable expectations and somehow he exceeded them. And I feel like Tiger Woods, you know, is the great example of someone who did that.

Yeah, it's uh, you know, to me, it's it's really been a fun read and learning more about it, learning more about that era. I mean, the guy was just so dominant and it was something that we had never seen and all the hype. Think about all the hype, like who who exceeds the hype when they come into the professional space, Like to think about Mike, Like going back to Michael Jordan, like he wasn't the first overall pick like this was. I mean he was everybody knew he was good, but nobody knew he would be the greatest of all time. Tom Brady was no expectations. He was a six round pick. Like to me, the only thing that's even somewhat comparable be Lebron, Like, Lebron came into it with these unimaginable, unreachable expectations and somehow he exceeded them. And I feel like Tiger Woods, you know, is the great example of someone who did that.

Yeah, you know, it's.

Yeah, you know, it's.

Funny because Lebron is like that. A thin thing where they differ is the mentality. The outwart mentality appears to be different, where Tiger Woods appears to be almost like an assassin, pretty similar to the way Kobe approached Tiger. I mean, Lebron doesn't appear to have that same demeanor. Even though you could say that Tiger Woods and Lebron James was because both of them were viewed as the chosen ones and they didn't disappoint when they got to the next level.

Funny because Lebron is like that. A thin thing where they differ is the mentality. The outwart mentality appears to be different, where Tiger Woods appears to be almost like an assassin, pretty similar to the way Kobe approached Tiger. I mean, Lebron doesn't appear to have that same demeanor. Even though you could say that Tiger Woods and Lebron James was because both of them were viewed as the chosen ones and they didn't disappoint when they got to the next level.

From day one, they didn't disappoint. It didn't It wasn't a slow cook.

From day one, they didn't disappoint. It didn't It wasn't a slow cook.

Like, oh, it's gonna take them away, Nope, I'm here. That would be good right out the gate. That is uncommon, but it speaks to the greatness of Title Woo. It's his mentalities, approach, his preparation process.

Like, oh, it's gonna take them away, Nope, I'm here. That would be good right out the gate. That is uncommon, but it speaks to the greatness of Title Woo. It's his mentalities, approach, his preparation process.

Yeah, so for those that are interested, the book is together. We roared again, I know we're a football show, but I do think this stuff is transferable, and that's what I wanted to do today. It was fun, Buck, It's uh, it's fun to get your reaction to it. I'm excited for you to get a chance to jump into this thing whenever you can. But it's what it's doing, is is making me want to read more about this guy, to study more and and be thankful. Also, like, man, what we might be the greatest sports fan generation. Maybe I guess you know, to me, I guess if you were eighties basketball fan, maybe that was kind of their their sweet spot. But we can honestly say we were still. We were still. I mean we saw the micro.

Yeah, so for those that are interested, the book is together. We roared again, I know we're a football show, but I do think this stuff is transferable, and that's what I wanted to do today. It was fun, Buck, It's uh, it's fun to get your reaction to it. I'm excited for you to get a chance to jump into this thing whenever you can. But it's what it's doing, is is making me want to read more about this guy, to study more and and be thankful. Also, like, man, what we might be the greatest sports fan generation. Maybe I guess you know, to me, I guess if you were eighties basketball fan, maybe that was kind of their their sweet spot. But we can honestly say we were still. We were still. I mean we saw the micro.

We see them all. I mean we've seen all.

We see them all. I mean we've seen all.

The greatest stuff.

The greatest stuff.

We saw all the different sports.

We saw all the different sports.

Yeah, we saw Joe Montana and football, we saw Jerry Rice. We had a chance to basketball, from Magic and Bird to Jordan's to.

Yeah, we saw Joe Montana and football, we saw Jerry Rice. We had a chance to basketball, from Magic and Bird to Jordan's to.

The blonde Kobe thrown in there. I mean like we have.

The blonde Kobe thrown in there. I mean like we have.

I mean there's so much the Tiger era we talked about in tennis, being able to see the great tennis players. So you can talk about Venus and Serena, you talk about on the women's side, like Steffi Graff also.

I mean there's so much the Tiger era we talked about in tennis, being able to see the great tennis players. So you can talk about Venus and Serena, you talk about on the women's side, like Steffi Graff also.

Being in that we can talk about like just so many people.

Being in that we can talk about like just so many people.

I mean, like just Pe Sanfrist Federal, Like there's so many greats that we've seen. And I know they always talk about people being a prisoner of the moment, but when you think about that track, right, of what we've seen.

I mean, like just Pe Sanfrist Federal, Like there's so many greats that we've seen. And I know they always talk about people being a prisoner of the moment, but when you think about that track, right, of what we've seen.

And we were able to bring cools in different eras.

And we were able to bring cools in different eras.

Yeah, if you're a sportsman, man, we have been privileged to see a lot of great things.

Yeah, if you're a sportsman, man, we have been privileged to see a lot of great things.

Yeah, I mean I think I'm thinking of sports like, Okay, we we missed on uh you know, I guess you say, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. I was, we're probably a little too young for that.

Yeah, I mean I think I'm thinking of sports like, Okay, we we missed on uh you know, I guess you say, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. I was, we're probably a little too young for that.

The end of the run when I was like when it was coming, I think.

The end of the run when I was like when it was coming, I think.

Nicholas won his last one like the mid eighties maybe, so I think, yeah, yeah.

Nicholas won his last one like the mid eighties maybe, so I think, yeah, yeah.

But it's yeah, I mean, you're right about it being a very privileged run and exposure and what we've seen and Tom Brady in his seven I.

But it's yeah, I mean, you're right about it being a very privileged run and exposure and what we've seen and Tom Brady in his seven I.

Mean, just a lot of great a lot of a lot of great ball you've seen.

Mean, just a lot of great a lot of a lot of great ball you've seen.

No question, Well that was that was fun. Today. Again, we'll have some more football stuff as we get into the off season. You know, we'll see what what shakes. I think we'll see some more contract extensions get done here. Sounds like people are working on those, so we'll see what happens. If we get some news there, we'll definitely have our reaction to it. But that's going to do it for us today. I hope you guys enjoyed a fun off season episode here with the sticks

No question, Well that was that was fun. Today. Again, we'll have some more football stuff as we get into the off season. You know, we'll see what what shakes. I think we'll see some more contract extensions get done here. Sounds like people are working on those, so we'll see what happens. If we get some news there, we'll definitely have our reaction to it. But that's going to do it for us today. I hope you guys enjoyed a fun off season episode here with the sticks