And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky back with you, and uh Buck, we've got a We've got a great one today where we're gonna get a chance to jump into your top five lists which have just dropped. So we're gonna be really looking at the draft and we'll start by looking at the players with your top five list, and then we're going to, uh, we're going to get into some of the team stuff. We're gonna work by division and uh and do something we've been talking about for a while, which is, you know, what are the foundational pieces of a championship team and where are the cracks and what needs to be filled. So, uh, we're gonna have a good mixture today of players and teams. How you doing, man, Man, I'm doing great, uh.

And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky back with you, and uh Buck, we've got a We've got a great one today where we're gonna get a chance to jump into your top five lists which have just dropped. So we're gonna be really looking at the draft and we'll start by looking at the players with your top five list, and then we're going to, uh, we're going to get into some of the team stuff. We're gonna work by division and uh and do something we've been talking about for a while, which is, you know, what are the foundational pieces of a championship team and where are the cracks and what needs to be filled. So, uh, we're gonna have a good mixture today of players and teams. How you doing, man, Man, I'm doing great, uh.

DJ. It's a quick turnaround because we go from talking to all NFL stuff to now we're full bore into the draft and you look up to what combine is two three weeks away. I mean it is coming fast and so uh, just like some of these teams are, like you think about the Niners and the Chiefs, are kind of playing catch up when it comes to it. We're playing a little ketchup, trying to make sure we get it all right before we get the Indian neplis. Yeah.

DJ. It's a quick turnaround because we go from talking to all NFL stuff to now we're full bore into the draft and you look up to what combine is two three weeks away. I mean it is coming fast and so uh, just like some of these teams are, like you think about the Niners and the Chiefs, are kind of playing catch up when it comes to it. We're playing a little ketchup, trying to make sure we get it all right before we get the Indian neplis. Yeah.

Man, I'm trying to get all these guys watched. I'm gonna have them all watched before they get to the line to run. I'm gonna have them watched now. I might be finishing up that morning before they get to the line, man, because it's just it's.

Man, I'm trying to get all these guys watched. I'm gonna have them all watched before they get to the line to run. I'm gonna have them watched now. I might be finishing up that morning before they get to the line, man, because it's just it's.

A lot of guys to go through.

A lot of guys to go through.

But I you know, as we always remind everybody this time of year, and the teams are really doing the same thing. Hey, right, neighborhood. We'll get them in the right house eventually, but let's let's kind of cobble these guys that belong together together and then we'll sort those out as we go along.

But I you know, as we always remind everybody this time of year, and the teams are really doing the same thing. Hey, right, neighborhood. We'll get them in the right house eventually, but let's let's kind of cobble these guys that belong together together and then we'll sort those out as we go along.

Yeah. And I think what people have to understand, especially from our side, like the challenge in doing this. There's so many names and there's so many information, and you and I talked to so many different people while we're looking at tape and you're trying to kind of just siphon the list down, just trying to get it to you talk about the magic number like one hundred and fifty or so where you just kind of know that one fifty where you're like, Okay, this is where I can work with and doing it. And look, man, sometimes you're going to have some guys that are kind of left off on the cutting room floor. And for me, what's hard is like when you have a top five list, sometimes the top five list doesn't encompass all the guys that are gonna be at the top of the board, first rounders, like you just don't know. And when it comes to positions, the position that I got to figure out how to expand the list edge defenders because when we were scouting it used to be hard and fast. You had d n and then you had outside linebackers. When now you have so many teams that run these hybrid three four schemes that, man, what someone views as a defensive end, another person views as an outside linebacker. So how do you properly categorize them when you're scouting in general as opposed to being team specific.

Yeah. And I think what people have to understand, especially from our side, like the challenge in doing this. There's so many names and there's so many information, and you and I talked to so many different people while we're looking at tape and you're trying to kind of just siphon the list down, just trying to get it to you talk about the magic number like one hundred and fifty or so where you just kind of know that one fifty where you're like, Okay, this is where I can work with and doing it. And look, man, sometimes you're going to have some guys that are kind of left off on the cutting room floor. And for me, what's hard is like when you have a top five list, sometimes the top five list doesn't encompass all the guys that are gonna be at the top of the board, first rounders, like you just don't know. And when it comes to positions, the position that I got to figure out how to expand the list edge defenders because when we were scouting it used to be hard and fast. You had d n and then you had outside linebackers. When now you have so many teams that run these hybrid three four schemes that, man, what someone views as a defensive end, another person views as an outside linebacker. So how do you properly categorize them when you're scouting in general as opposed to being team specific.

Yeah, I mean that's what I made that switch a few years back because I'm like, I'm not going to try and I'm not going to try and divide these guys up. Look you are an interior defensive lineman or you're playing on the edge, whether you're standing up, hand down, whatever you and so it's just like those are the those are the categories. I feel like a lot of a lot of the media, and even even when you're talking to teams, like I get teams that will send me things and it's like, you know, they're they're very preliminary draft board, so it's nothing to pull off of it because it's all gonna change, but they have. One of the things that stood out to me was the different classifications and how they're dividing guys up, and it was you had outside receiver, you had slot receiver, you had especially back. You know, we used to live on that forever. So you got your running back, your change of pace, your change of pace guy. Yeah, everybody's trying to find that speedback. I think even more so like we think of oh, it's the pass catcher, like now it's it's actually they're just looking for somebody who has some juice. They want to be able to sprinkle in somebody with some real juice and then you have the edge. So like a Bucky Irving type, right, Yes, who I loved by the way Man on Man his tape was really fun. So we're gonna let's just jump in right there. Then let's start. Let's start the offense wise buck, let's start at quarterback and just go. Let's go through your top fives and I'll give you any thoughts I might have on it, but you can let it rip.

Yeah, I mean that's what I made that switch a few years back because I'm like, I'm not going to try and I'm not going to try and divide these guys up. Look you are an interior defensive lineman or you're playing on the edge, whether you're standing up, hand down, whatever you and so it's just like those are the those are the categories. I feel like a lot of a lot of the media, and even even when you're talking to teams, like I get teams that will send me things and it's like, you know, they're they're very preliminary draft board, so it's nothing to pull off of it because it's all gonna change, but they have. One of the things that stood out to me was the different classifications and how they're dividing guys up, and it was you had outside receiver, you had slot receiver, you had especially back. You know, we used to live on that forever. So you got your running back, your change of pace, your change of pace guy. Yeah, everybody's trying to find that speedback. I think even more so like we think of oh, it's the pass catcher, like now it's it's actually they're just looking for somebody who has some juice. They want to be able to sprinkle in somebody with some real juice and then you have the edge. So like a Bucky Irving type, right, Yes, who I loved by the way Man on Man his tape was really fun. So we're gonna let's just jump in right there. Then let's start. Let's start the offense wise buck, let's start at quarterback and just go. Let's go through your top fives and I'll give you any thoughts I might have on it, but you can let it rip.

Okay, So top five quarterbacks, So in order, I had Kayleb Williams, I had Jalen Daniels, Drake May from North Carolina, Michael Pennix Junior from Washington. JJ McCarthy from Michigan was fifth, and then I had I added a bonus category keep an eye on bo Nix, because I wanted to make sure that it got all the guys that were in the conversation. And I'll say this, like from facing we've talked about Kayleb Williams or whatever, the conversation for me, DJ is trying to scrimmage out Jade and Daniels versus Drake May. And the hard thing for me, and I'm gonna say this, my bias and my prejudice when it comes to Drake May and North Carolina is because I've seen all their games. So it might be the rare case where I have maybe too much information and tape on him compared to some of the other guys. And the separating factor from me with Jayden Daniels and Drake May the production in the performing This was better from Jayden Daniels this year than it was for Drake Man. Great May checks off all the boxes from a prototypical standpoint, great kid, outstanding in tangible's leadership, ability, size, arm, talent, He's athletic, he has all of these things. The one thing that in some of the analytics community will take me to task. He doesn't have a notable win. I don't have a game where I can pop in the take and say this is the signature game for him versus a top team. Last year, his best game was against Duke, and Duke is fine, but it's more of a middle of the road team. I don't have a game where he went above the x's and o's that I can be like, okay Man, I feel great about him being potentially the number two overall pick, and when I look at Jayde and Daniels, there are a couple of games where I saw him dominate as a runner and a passer, that I'm like, Okay, well, like does that translate? So right now I have Daniels over May. We'll see if it flips later. But that's how I kind of broke it down when it came to the five.

Okay, So top five quarterbacks, So in order, I had Kayleb Williams, I had Jalen Daniels, Drake May from North Carolina, Michael Pennix Junior from Washington. JJ McCarthy from Michigan was fifth, and then I had I added a bonus category keep an eye on bo Nix, because I wanted to make sure that it got all the guys that were in the conversation. And I'll say this, like from facing we've talked about Kayleb Williams or whatever, the conversation for me, DJ is trying to scrimmage out Jade and Daniels versus Drake May. And the hard thing for me, and I'm gonna say this, my bias and my prejudice when it comes to Drake May and North Carolina is because I've seen all their games. So it might be the rare case where I have maybe too much information and tape on him compared to some of the other guys. And the separating factor from me with Jayden Daniels and Drake May the production in the performing This was better from Jayden Daniels this year than it was for Drake Man. Great May checks off all the boxes from a prototypical standpoint, great kid, outstanding in tangible's leadership, ability, size, arm, talent, He's athletic, he has all of these things. The one thing that in some of the analytics community will take me to task. He doesn't have a notable win. I don't have a game where I can pop in the take and say this is the signature game for him versus a top team. Last year, his best game was against Duke, and Duke is fine, but it's more of a middle of the road team. I don't have a game where he went above the x's and o's that I can be like, okay Man, I feel great about him being potentially the number two overall pick, and when I look at Jayde and Daniels, there are a couple of games where I saw him dominate as a runner and a passer, that I'm like, Okay, well, like does that translate? So right now I have Daniels over May. We'll see if it flips later. But that's how I kind of broke it down when it came to the five.

I am totally fair, and I think there's a lot of people see the exact same way.

I am totally fair, and I think there's a lot of people see the exact same way.

You know.

You know.

The interesting thing for me is my first two exposures to Drake May or him ripping the heart out of my school in overtime games twice, where he made big plays in those games. And I think it is fascinating when you talk to people. The grades on Drake may are much higher on the people who went through the school than the people who just just watch the tape. And I think the people that go through the school are like, Okay, I see the holes, I see the gaps, but man, I've just I've heard so much about the character and the work ethic and the intelligence.

The interesting thing for me is my first two exposures to Drake May or him ripping the heart out of my school in overtime games twice, where he made big plays in those games. And I think it is fascinating when you talk to people. The grades on Drake may are much higher on the people who went through the school than the people who just just watch the tape. And I think the people that go through the school are like, Okay, I see the holes, I see the gaps, but man, I've just I've heard so much about the character and the work ethic and the intelligence.

They're like, he's.

They're like, he's.

Gonna emboldened you. You get a little more courage to be all I'll have some faith that this is going to come together based off what I got out of the school.

Gonna emboldened you. You get a little more courage to be all I'll have some faith that this is going to come together based off what I got out of the school.

Yeah, And so the other thing for me in knowing like summertime, I spent some time with Jayden Daniels and Michael Pennis was also in the conversation, like so know him, also know him from the Elit eleven stuff, so kind of seeing him develop whatever. And it was a hard sale for me, like in terms of changing because like you know too much, Like you remember seeing him have his Mowent said Arizona State. You remember watching him at elcohol On high school and how he had cheat code. He had this huge receiver that he was thrown to that was six seven. That was just it was unfair in high school for him to throw to him. But I will say to me, the best thing that he did when he went from Arizona State and he went to LSU and he played for Brian Kelly, and you know Brian Kelly frond of the program. We know that Brian Kelly coaches his quarterbacks hard. So to me, that was eye opening that he left herm went to someone who is known for coaching hard and he and his game responded in splendid fashion. To me, that's a little thing. But I'm gonna say this, the body type it scares me. And the body type scares me, particularly coming off of the Brice Young thing that also we stepped outside of our norms when it came to how we normally reviewed the position and we're like, hey, look he's specially he's this, and then you see him and you're like, man, got he is just so different than the traditional body that plays that position.

Yeah, And so the other thing for me in knowing like summertime, I spent some time with Jayden Daniels and Michael Pennis was also in the conversation, like so know him, also know him from the Elit eleven stuff, so kind of seeing him develop whatever. And it was a hard sale for me, like in terms of changing because like you know too much, Like you remember seeing him have his Mowent said Arizona State. You remember watching him at elcohol On high school and how he had cheat code. He had this huge receiver that he was thrown to that was six seven. That was just it was unfair in high school for him to throw to him. But I will say to me, the best thing that he did when he went from Arizona State and he went to LSU and he played for Brian Kelly, and you know Brian Kelly frond of the program. We know that Brian Kelly coaches his quarterbacks hard. So to me, that was eye opening that he left herm went to someone who is known for coaching hard and he and his game responded in splendid fashion. To me, that's a little thing. But I'm gonna say this, the body type it scares me. And the body type scares me, particularly coming off of the Brice Young thing that also we stepped outside of our norms when it came to how we normally reviewed the position and we're like, hey, look he's specially he's this, and then you see him and you're like, man, got he is just so different than the traditional body that plays that position.

Yeahs interesting, like as a as a thrower, like there's some there's some stroud stuff in terms of always on balance, pure stroke, you know, it looks smooth. He just a lot leaner version of him as a runner, you know, trying to think of guys he reminded me of He kind of reminded me of RG three coming out as a runner. We're more of a linear, you know, more of a linear going to take all go straight fan speed, like, not a lot of shake and wiggle and stuff like that. So anyways, he's it's going to be a fascinating, a fascinating debate as we continue to go through this, I will say the it feels like talking to people, and then even I feel the same way. Uh, well, I think we're on the same page here where Caleb Caleb's at the top. There's a debate between two and three, uh with with May and with Daniels and then the next three. You talk to teams around the league, they're all in every kind of order imaginable. There's McCarthy teams, there's Knicks teams, and there's Panics.

Yeahs interesting, like as a as a thrower, like there's some there's some stroud stuff in terms of always on balance, pure stroke, you know, it looks smooth. He just a lot leaner version of him as a runner, you know, trying to think of guys he reminded me of He kind of reminded me of RG three coming out as a runner. We're more of a linear, you know, more of a linear going to take all go straight fan speed, like, not a lot of shake and wiggle and stuff like that. So anyways, he's it's going to be a fascinating, a fascinating debate as we continue to go through this, I will say the it feels like talking to people, and then even I feel the same way. Uh, well, I think we're on the same page here where Caleb Caleb's at the top. There's a debate between two and three, uh with with May and with Daniels and then the next three. You talk to teams around the league, they're all in every kind of order imaginable. There's McCarthy teams, there's Knicks teams, and there's Panics.

Yeah. So so I think that can conversation is fascinating because we've talked about Pennex and Knicks because look, there was a ton of tape on them. We were able to talk about them as soon as the season ended. JJ McCarthy is kind of like the mystery Rights. He's kind of let's make a deal, what's behind door number three? You know, you have a guy who was a winner, national champion, a guy who would look two year starter, great kid, the intangibles, I mean, your guys war By, I'm Jim Harbaugh talk about it being the number one overall. So there's that he's played in games where he's just kind of been the bus drop. But I have this in my mind, and I'm not saying they're similar as players. I remember the conversation before Justin Herbert became Justin Herbert. I remember the conversation where're like, yeah, you know, we just don't see it as a conservative offense, this and that, and I do wonder once we get a chance to see J. J. McCarthy throw beside all these guys, and we have a great appreciation for his arm, talent and what he brings. Are we able to separate how he was asked to play from how he could play at the next level.

Yeah. So so I think that can conversation is fascinating because we've talked about Pennex and Knicks because look, there was a ton of tape on them. We were able to talk about them as soon as the season ended. JJ McCarthy is kind of like the mystery Rights. He's kind of let's make a deal, what's behind door number three? You know, you have a guy who was a winner, national champion, a guy who would look two year starter, great kid, the intangibles, I mean, your guys war By, I'm Jim Harbaugh talk about it being the number one overall. So there's that he's played in games where he's just kind of been the bus drop. But I have this in my mind, and I'm not saying they're similar as players. I remember the conversation before Justin Herbert became Justin Herbert. I remember the conversation where're like, yeah, you know, we just don't see it as a conservative offense, this and that, and I do wonder once we get a chance to see J. J. McCarthy throw beside all these guys, and we have a great appreciation for his arm, talent and what he brings. Are we able to separate how he was asked to play from how he could play at the next level.

Yeah, I feel like he was an acquired taste for me. I feel like the more I watched him, the more I liked him, and the more I appreciate it. You just have to watch a lot of him because he doesn't get the volume that these other guys have. It doesn't necessarily run through him like it does the other guys. But you've got the penix and knicks, you've got the age, you've got the experience, you've got the adversity. Then you've got McCarthy doesn't have the volume, but he's much younger. He can really run. He's got a live arm, you know. To me and I feel like we use this comp a lot over the years, but he is to me, like what you're hoping he's going to be is Alex Smith, Like I think that's what That's what he's going to be, really Billick Smith.

Yeah, I feel like he was an acquired taste for me. I feel like the more I watched him, the more I liked him, and the more I appreciate it. You just have to watch a lot of him because he doesn't get the volume that these other guys have. It doesn't necessarily run through him like it does the other guys. But you've got the penix and knicks, you've got the age, you've got the experience, you've got the adversity. Then you've got McCarthy doesn't have the volume, but he's much younger. He can really run. He's got a live arm, you know. To me and I feel like we use this comp a lot over the years, but he is to me, like what you're hoping he's going to be is Alex Smith, Like I think that's what That's what he's going to be, really Billick Smith.

Both in the.

Both in the.

Narrow guys, not the biggest guys in the world. But just everything they do is efficient, they're smart, they're good athletes, they can run. You know. That was the one that came to mind to me.

Narrow guys, not the biggest guys in the world. But just everything they do is efficient, they're smart, they're good athletes, they can run. You know. That was the one that came to mind to me.

So this is good and the reason why it resonates with me. Obviously we were on to West Coast scouting him and I remember Alex Smith, I think coming out of Utah was twenty two and one, and he was playing in that spread system that was new at the time under Urban Meyer. He was super apter. I want to say his senior year he ran for maybe seven hundred yards. I mean, but just enough. You really had to account for him. And he was smart. He was that, but he looked. I mean, it's very similar in terms of the amount of starts and stuff that he had. And it took a while for Alex Smith to kind of click as a pro. But Jim Harbaugh and now say the comparison, maybe Jim Harbaugh saw Alex Smith.

So this is good and the reason why it resonates with me. Obviously we were on to West Coast scouting him and I remember Alex Smith, I think coming out of Utah was twenty two and one, and he was playing in that spread system that was new at the time under Urban Meyer. He was super apter. I want to say his senior year he ran for maybe seven hundred yards. I mean, but just enough. You really had to account for him. And he was smart. He was that, but he looked. I mean, it's very similar in terms of the amount of starts and stuff that he had. And it took a while for Alex Smith to kind of click as a pro. But Jim Harbaugh and now say the comparison, maybe Jim Harbaugh saw Alex Smith.

Think I didn't even put that together. Man, he saved Alex Smith's career.

Think I didn't even put that together. Man, he saved Alex Smith's career.

And maybe and maybe he's like, oh, okay, I can see how I can make this work. That's a really good comparison. I think the combine is gonna be really important for all these kids. But those final three we talked about Pennix, McCarthy and Knicks. It's gonna be important to not only talk to him to see him work out. But for Penis it's gonna be the medicals. For McCarthy, it's gonna be the workout and the interviews. And I think for Nicks it's gonna be just throwing because his game is so intermediate, short range, intermediate throws that you just wonder, hey, can he push it down the field or is he always kind of gonna be a guy that it's kind of master of the short game.

And maybe and maybe he's like, oh, okay, I can see how I can make this work. That's a really good comparison. I think the combine is gonna be really important for all these kids. But those final three we talked about Pennix, McCarthy and Knicks. It's gonna be important to not only talk to him to see him work out. But for Penis it's gonna be the medicals. For McCarthy, it's gonna be the workout and the interviews. And I think for Nicks it's gonna be just throwing because his game is so intermediate, short range, intermediate throws that you just wonder, hey, can he push it down the field or is he always kind of gonna be a guy that it's kind of master of the short game.

Yeah, I would say, and then we can I know we won't. We won't spend as much time as we go see the some other positions, but it is quarterback. I will say. My bow Knicks comparison Buck is if you if you were going to say range right, if we're going to go like you're taking a test, I feel like bow Knicks is an eighty two to an eighty seven, Like he's going to the low end, he's gonna be a B minus, you're passing the class. You can win games with him on the top end B plus eighty seven eighty eight, Like that's where he is, but I feel like there's not as much risk there. I feel like I know exactly who he is, what he is, but you're not going to get to chase the you're not really chasing the upside there.

Yeah, I would say, and then we can I know we won't. We won't spend as much time as we go see the some other positions, but it is quarterback. I will say. My bow Knicks comparison Buck is if you if you were going to say range right, if we're going to go like you're taking a test, I feel like bow Knicks is an eighty two to an eighty seven, Like he's going to the low end, he's gonna be a B minus, you're passing the class. You can win games with him on the top end B plus eighty seven eighty eight, Like that's where he is, but I feel like there's not as much risk there. I feel like I know exactly who he is, what he is, but you're not going to get to chase the you're not really chasing the upside there.

No, I think I think I think of the three we talk about, who has the least amount of volatility, Yeah, bow Knicks. We're probably feeling that, Like you kind of know, like, hey, he's good and at a time where it was kind of chasing great and chasing the Pat mahomes, No, he's good. Now we got to make sure that we have the stuff around him to be fine. But he's just solid. He's good. So when you talk about eighty two to eighty seven, that's what it kind of reminds me of in school, Like, hey, it's just a solid beat, solid beat, all day, good play.

No, I think I think I think of the three we talk about, who has the least amount of volatility, Yeah, bow Knicks. We're probably feeling that, Like you kind of know, like, hey, he's good and at a time where it was kind of chasing great and chasing the Pat mahomes, No, he's good. Now we got to make sure that we have the stuff around him to be fine. But he's just solid. He's good. So when you talk about eighty two to eighty seven, that's what it kind of reminds me of in school, Like, hey, it's just a solid beat, solid beat, all day, good play.

Which means which means to me, like you probably for him. You don't want to go to one of the teams picking a top five, six, eight. You want to go to a team that needs a quarterback towards the back end. We've talked about the Rams. I think you may have even had him going there, but that team like that where he can he maybe he'll be able to take over a good, ready made team and he'll be able to slide right in and go, whereas some of these other guys might be able to lift up and carry some of these other underperforming rosters. So, yeah, that's a quarterback spot. Let's let's go. Let's go quickly through the rest of the offense. Here the skill guys, why don't you go wide outs? Then we'll get the running backs.

Which means which means to me, like you probably for him. You don't want to go to one of the teams picking a top five, six, eight. You want to go to a team that needs a quarterback towards the back end. We've talked about the Rams. I think you may have even had him going there, but that team like that where he can he maybe he'll be able to take over a good, ready made team and he'll be able to slide right in and go, whereas some of these other guys might be able to lift up and carry some of these other underperforming rosters. So, yeah, that's a quarterback spot. Let's let's go. Let's go quickly through the rest of the offense. Here the skill guys, why don't you go wide outs? Then we'll get the running backs.

Okay, here we go. So white House, now you know the white House. I mean, there's so many white House that can play in this league, in this draft. I mean, supply is going to really outweigh demand. Marvin Harrison Junior, Rome A Doonsday, Malik Neighbors, Kean Coleman, Bryan Thomas Junior, and then the star of the Senior Bowl lab Maconki. Just keep from on him as one of those guys that is gonna get some buzz laid in the process.

Okay, here we go. So white House, now you know the white House. I mean, there's so many white House that can play in this league, in this draft. I mean, supply is going to really outweigh demand. Marvin Harrison Junior, Rome A Doonsday, Malik Neighbors, Kean Coleman, Bryan Thomas Junior, and then the star of the Senior Bowl lab Maconki. Just keep from on him as one of those guys that is gonna get some buzz laid in the process.

Yeah, no, it's a it's a good list. It'll be interest to see what Ken Coleman runs. That's one of the big question marks with him.

Yeah, no, it's a it's a good list. It'll be interest to see what Ken Coleman runs. That's one of the big question marks with him.

Yeah, Like I met him. I met him down at the East West Rine game. He's he's like it. He is one of the best, like fifty fifty ball specialists that you're gonna find, And so initially I made the comparison kind of reminds me a little bit of DeAndre Hopkins. Not a runner, but just kind of a ball catcher. He's a great contested ball catcher because he's always gonna have contested catches, like he's always gonna have people around him. But yeah, it'd be interesting because I think the running part is gonna make or break in because they're guys that are just beneath this list that are itching.

Yeah, Like I met him. I met him down at the East West Rine game. He's he's like it. He is one of the best, like fifty fifty ball specialists that you're gonna find, And so initially I made the comparison kind of reminds me a little bit of DeAndre Hopkins. Not a runner, but just kind of a ball catcher. He's a great contested ball catcher because he's always gonna have contested catches, like he's always gonna have people around him. But yeah, it'd be interesting because I think the running part is gonna make or break in because they're guys that are just beneath this list that are itching.

Troy Franklin is gonna fly from from Oregon, so.

Troy Franklin is gonna fly from from Oregon, so.

He's he's another one. Yeah, he's another one. And you look at his numbers in comparison to Marmon Harrison Junior, like he's right there in terms of production. Different type player, but production is gonna be there. But DJ, we talk about it every year, man, you talk about one of the you can get a wide out at any stage of the draft and the second and third round. I mean, they're just so many guys it may kind of decrease their value a little bit because you know, I can go back in the second and third round and get that I can get another position up but there's some really good players in this class.

He's he's another one. Yeah, he's another one. And you look at his numbers in comparison to Marmon Harrison Junior, like he's right there in terms of production. Different type player, but production is gonna be there. But DJ, we talk about it every year, man, you talk about one of the you can get a wide out at any stage of the draft and the second and third round. I mean, they're just so many guys it may kind of decrease their value a little bit because you know, I can go back in the second and third round and get that I can get another position up but there's some really good players in this class.

All right, running backs.

All right, running backs.

There we go Jonathan Brooks from Texas, Trade Benson Florida State, Blake Korn from Michigan, Bucky Irvin from Oregon, Audrick Estimy, and then I just keep an eye on Brailen Allen from Wisconsin. And look, man, the running back class, there's not a first round in my mind in this group. I think this is one where your your value shopping when you look at the position. Maybe the run start, second, third round where you start finding those guys that can plug in. But there's not one that I would say a first round. I have to have this guy.

There we go Jonathan Brooks from Texas, Trade Benson Florida State, Blake Korn from Michigan, Bucky Irvin from Oregon, Audrick Estimy, and then I just keep an eye on Brailen Allen from Wisconsin. And look, man, the running back class, there's not a first round in my mind in this group. I think this is one where your your value shopping when you look at the position. Maybe the run start, second, third round where you start finding those guys that can plug in. But there's not one that I would say a first round. I have to have this guy.

Be on the lookout for this. Just give everybody heads up. This could be a game of chicken. So like I have, I have six running that I gave the same grade to which grade wise they're starting grades which would equate to in a normal year, like in the middle to late second round range. But there's six of them. So as the draft goes along, teams are gonna sit there and go, well, the run hasn't started. Shoot, I don't want to be the first one in line at the running back store. Like there's six of them, I like six of them. So let me just let's just play chicken.

Be on the lookout for this. Just give everybody heads up. This could be a game of chicken. So like I have, I have six running that I gave the same grade to which grade wise they're starting grades which would equate to in a normal year, like in the middle to late second round range. But there's six of them. So as the draft goes along, teams are gonna sit there and go, well, the run hasn't started. Shoot, I don't want to be the first one in line at the running back store. Like there's six of them, I like six of them. So let me just let's just play chicken.

Let's wait.

Let's wait.

So I think that even though like we have some guys that are worthy of going middle two back to I wouldn't be surprised we don't see a running back in the first two rounds because teams are gonna say, I don't want to be the first one in line. I'll wait and once I start to see the run go, then I'll jump in knowing that I just got to get one of these. You know, probably six to eight guys that teams are going to have evenly graded. I will give you two guys that I thought really popped. I just finished up watching them. So I've watched all the running backs now Buck and the of the bigger guys, Ray Davis from Kentucky at two hundred and twenty pounds. He's a little fireplug. He's like a Frank Gore body.

So I think that even though like we have some guys that are worthy of going middle two back to I wouldn't be surprised we don't see a running back in the first two rounds because teams are gonna say, I don't want to be the first one in line. I'll wait and once I start to see the run go, then I'll jump in knowing that I just got to get one of these. You know, probably six to eight guys that teams are going to have evenly graded. I will give you two guys that I thought really popped. I just finished up watching them. So I've watched all the running backs now Buck and the of the bigger guys, Ray Davis from Kentucky at two hundred and twenty pounds. He's a little fireplug. He's like a Frank Gore body.

Double okay Kentucky. Yeah, yes, he's a powerful dude.

Double okay Kentucky. Yeah, yes, he's a powerful dude.

Marshawn Lloyd from SE's two hundred and seventeen pounds. I like the way that he ran. So those are kind of my bigger guys that I that I liked it popped and then uh, you know Jalen Right from Tennessee. I think's got it. He's exciting, like he's got juice, and he's two hundred and ten pounds like he's the one you know, I would probably target on there that I got most excited about, as well as as you mentioned it, Bucky Irving. Bucky Irming's a little undersized. I'm makes us see how big he ends up coming in. I think, you know, size wise, he's going to be very similar to Jamiir Gibbs, but I don't think he has quite that same juice. Jamieror Gibbs ran four three six. I don't think Bucky Iervan's gonna run that, but I put him on Twitter. Singletary Devin Singletary is a good conference who's been a really good player, who's someone that I fuck. I had a good grade on him memory he ran the four sixes and I dropped him down. What every time you do that, you're an idiot, like being exactly who I thought he was gonna be. But I punted on him just as he didn't run fast.

Marshawn Lloyd from SE's two hundred and seventeen pounds. I like the way that he ran. So those are kind of my bigger guys that I that I liked it popped and then uh, you know Jalen Right from Tennessee. I think's got it. He's exciting, like he's got juice, and he's two hundred and ten pounds like he's the one you know, I would probably target on there that I got most excited about, as well as as you mentioned it, Bucky Irving. Bucky Irming's a little undersized. I'm makes us see how big he ends up coming in. I think, you know, size wise, he's going to be very similar to Jamiir Gibbs, but I don't think he has quite that same juice. Jamieror Gibbs ran four three six. I don't think Bucky Iervan's gonna run that, but I put him on Twitter. Singletary Devin Singletary is a good conference who's been a really good player, who's someone that I fuck. I had a good grade on him memory he ran the four sixes and I dropped him down. What every time you do that, you're an idiot, like being exactly who I thought he was gonna be. But I punted on him just as he didn't run fast.

Yeah no, it's uh, it's funny you said that because having conversations like obviously when you submit to Lizz you get some push, Hey what about this guy and Deck, and you're like, man, look these guys are greated. Like you told me, I only can bring five. Bring five to the party. Yeah, you know, but but you're right, like the right kid from Tennessee. Certain these eventures Marshall Lloyd from USA. You talk about Davis from Kentucky. I mean this, Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I think there's you know, we're talking about six to eight guys. So I'm just telling you, man, don't be shocked if this is a draft where somebody says screw it. I'm just gonna wait to the third round and then the run will start and they'll all go one after another after another. That's the tight ends, not the not the greatest group of tight ends coming off of last year where it was unbelievable. What do you got? No, not the greatest group, and I think is one then the others. I'm gonna say, Brock Bauers from Georgia. Uh, he's the look the bill of the ball. And then Jatavian Sanders from Texas, cased over Ohio State, THEO Johnson Penn State, A J. Barner from Michigan, and then Ben Sono from k State was kind of in my keep an eye on this, Okay, I like it.

Yeah no, it's uh, it's funny you said that because having conversations like obviously when you submit to Lizz you get some push, Hey what about this guy and Deck, and you're like, man, look these guys are greated. Like you told me, I only can bring five. Bring five to the party. Yeah, you know, but but you're right, like the right kid from Tennessee. Certain these eventures Marshall Lloyd from USA. You talk about Davis from Kentucky. I mean this, Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I think there's you know, we're talking about six to eight guys. So I'm just telling you, man, don't be shocked if this is a draft where somebody says screw it. I'm just gonna wait to the third round and then the run will start and they'll all go one after another after another. That's the tight ends, not the not the greatest group of tight ends coming off of last year where it was unbelievable. What do you got? No, not the greatest group, and I think is one then the others. I'm gonna say, Brock Bauers from Georgia. Uh, he's the look the bill of the ball. And then Jatavian Sanders from Texas, cased over Ohio State, THEO Johnson Penn State, A J. Barner from Michigan, and then Ben Sono from k State was kind of in my keep an eye on this, Okay, I like it.

The two names I will throw in there that I liked going through these guys, Eric All from Iowa, Uh, he was.

The two names I will throw in there that I liked going through these guys, Eric All from Iowa, Uh, he was.

I had him right there.

I had him right there.

I mean he had a big, big, physical and tough and I mean this Iowa tight end, you can't go wrong there. And then Tanner McLaughlin was kind of like a fine for me going through there from Arizona. Who's a good player, who can who's really got some twitch to him.

I mean he had a big, big, physical and tough and I mean this Iowa tight end, you can't go wrong there. And then Tanner McLaughlin was kind of like a fine for me going through there from Arizona. Who's a good player, who can who's really got some twitch to him.

And I had those guys, I like it. I had another one for you, the kid from Colorado State, Uh, Dalen Hooker.

And I had those guys, I like it. I had another one for you, the kid from Colorado State, Uh, Dalen Hooker.

Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, I did too.

Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, I did too.

Yeah he was. He was a good little player, a good little h back player. Showed up well at the East West Shrine Bowl and you just can see like he can catch and DJ. It's one of those things where we talk about, hey man, you know the group is a little different than whatever, but look we're going third, fourth round. There gonna be some guys taken that ended up having kind of production and we ended up talking about kind of like Isaiah Likely, it's kind of been the guy from Coasta Carolina. They went to the Baltimore Ravens. That has U kind of teased us with his talents. I mean, so there'd be some guys that emerge.

Yeah he was. He was a good little player, a good little h back player. Showed up well at the East West Shrine Bowl and you just can see like he can catch and DJ. It's one of those things where we talk about, hey man, you know the group is a little different than whatever, but look we're going third, fourth round. There gonna be some guys taken that ended up having kind of production and we ended up talking about kind of like Isaiah Likely, it's kind of been the guy from Coasta Carolina. They went to the Baltimore Ravens. That has U kind of teased us with his talents. I mean, so there'd be some guys that emerge.

All right, give me some offensive lineman here and just rip through them and then we'll take a break.

All right, give me some offensive lineman here and just rip through them and then we'll take a break.

Oh okay, look really good offensive tackle class, like in terms of just the depth, Joe Out from Notre Dame, uh Fashanu from Penn State, Alis Fuaga from Oregon State, Amirius Memes from Georgia, JC Lengtham from Alabama, and then keep an eye on Troy who some people guard them as a tackle. So this is what's hard, because like when we go to the interior guys, let's let's rip somebody because somebody's got the interior our tackle. So I have Graham Bardon from Duke Jackson, Powers Johnson from Oregon, Cooper BB from Kansas State, Chris Haynes from yukat Zach Center from Michigan, and then Jamion Cohen from Miami. Some of those guys that played offensive tackle and our projections to go inside the guard or center and those things. And so the group itself is just solid. And I think, man, we talked about first round middle of the second round. There can be a lot of offensive tackles on the offensive lineman that kind of come off the because it's a really good run, a really good supply this year, yep.

Oh okay, look really good offensive tackle class, like in terms of just the depth, Joe Out from Notre Dame, uh Fashanu from Penn State, Alis Fuaga from Oregon State, Amirius Memes from Georgia, JC Lengtham from Alabama, and then keep an eye on Troy who some people guard them as a tackle. So this is what's hard, because like when we go to the interior guys, let's let's rip somebody because somebody's got the interior our tackle. So I have Graham Bardon from Duke Jackson, Powers Johnson from Oregon, Cooper BB from Kansas State, Chris Haynes from yukat Zach Center from Michigan, and then Jamion Cohen from Miami. Some of those guys that played offensive tackle and our projections to go inside the guard or center and those things. And so the group itself is just solid. And I think, man, we talked about first round middle of the second round. There can be a lot of offensive tackles on the offensive lineman that kind of come off the because it's a really good run, a really good supply this year, yep.

And you've got the mix of polished guys and then you've got some some real athletic upside plays there as well. So it's a good group of I think ten to eleven tackles deep in this draft. Two interior guys, I would say buck that. I think it'll be in the mix as you continue to work through these guys as we go through the whole process, I think that'll rise up. I do think Frasier from West Virginia is really talented. He was hurt Zach, He's got all the wrestling stuff that you love as a center. And then I would say Poony from Kansas, who had a really good week down there at the Senior Bowl. I think you'll see him kind of rise up as we go through the rest of the process. But yeah, that's a that's a solid list. We're going to take a quick break. We will we'll go through the defense after this break, and then we'll get into the AFC East and some building block foundational pieces here just a minute right after this, All right, Buck, let's flip it over to the defensive side of the ball.

And you've got the mix of polished guys and then you've got some some real athletic upside plays there as well. So it's a good group of I think ten to eleven tackles deep in this draft. Two interior guys, I would say buck that. I think it'll be in the mix as you continue to work through these guys as we go through the whole process, I think that'll rise up. I do think Frasier from West Virginia is really talented. He was hurt Zach, He's got all the wrestling stuff that you love as a center. And then I would say Poony from Kansas, who had a really good week down there at the Senior Bowl. I think you'll see him kind of rise up as we go through the rest of the process. But yeah, that's a that's a solid list. We're going to take a quick break. We will we'll go through the defense after this break, and then we'll get into the AFC East and some building block foundational pieces here just a minute right after this, All right, Buck, let's flip it over to the defensive side of the ball.

Yeah, let's go to it. So we'll start from front to back. Let's start with the edge rushers. So remember some of these guys are three to three point stances. Some guys are stand up guys. But we'll start off Dallas Turner from Alabama, Leatu Latu from UCLA, Jared Verse from Florida State, Chop Robinson from Penn State, and Brayln Trice from Washington.

Yeah, let's go to it. So we'll start from front to back. Let's start with the edge rushers. So remember some of these guys are three to three point stances. Some guys are stand up guys. But we'll start off Dallas Turner from Alabama, Leatu Latu from UCLA, Jared Verse from Florida State, Chop Robinson from Penn State, and Brayln Trice from Washington.

Yeah, that's good. I think the debate is going to be two and three. Similar to the quarterbacks, where you talk to teams that are LAT two teams, there are scouts, there are a law too scouts, and then there's those that are Jared Verse fans. So it's it's different. It's the polished craftsman and lat too. It's the twitchy, you know, explosive, physical, powerful Verse. And then I think most people are gonna have Alabama at the top with Turner because of his ability to kind of do a little bit of both and to bend. So I think that's that's why I think that's kind of shapes those top three guys.

Yeah, that's good. I think the debate is going to be two and three. Similar to the quarterbacks, where you talk to teams that are LAT two teams, there are scouts, there are a law too scouts, and then there's those that are Jared Verse fans. So it's it's different. It's the polished craftsman and lat too. It's the twitchy, you know, explosive, physical, powerful Verse. And then I think most people are gonna have Alabama at the top with Turner because of his ability to kind of do a little bit of both and to bend. So I think that's that's why I think that's kind of shapes those top three guys.

Yeah, no, I think it shapes it and lotso, Man, you just can't stop watching just the relentless motor, the efforditty Zippis. We always talk about effort not necessarily been a talent, but we've seen that high energy guys are able to really produce double digit secks if they go to the right spot, have the right situation, and can create those right opportunities. Chop Robinson is also interested to me when you talk about just twitchiness. Oh, duction doesn't match, doesn't match like the athletic performance. But man, we've seen Pennas State have some guys of late they can come in and kind of make play splash plays on occasion despite not having like these long pedigrees and long resumes of success.

Yeah, no, I think it shapes it and lotso, Man, you just can't stop watching just the relentless motor, the efforditty Zippis. We always talk about effort not necessarily been a talent, but we've seen that high energy guys are able to really produce double digit secks if they go to the right spot, have the right situation, and can create those right opportunities. Chop Robinson is also interested to me when you talk about just twitchiness. Oh, duction doesn't match, doesn't match like the athletic performance. But man, we've seen Pennas State have some guys of late they can come in and kind of make play splash plays on occasion despite not having like these long pedigrees and long resumes of success.

Yeah, they got other Edgruss on the other side of the Isaac who's a good player. But Chop Robinson's fascinating because his name is appropriate because he takes those little choppy steps. Buck in every D line coach that I've ever been around always talks about hey, gain ground, Oh go, let's go gain around, get off the ball. How much ground can you cover in your first three steps? And he's just like, so, I think he's going to have to lengthen that out a little bit. It's something for him to work on, but he is. He is very very twitched up, very very explosive. All right, let's keep let's move backwards off there.

Yeah, they got other Edgruss on the other side of the Isaac who's a good player. But Chop Robinson's fascinating because his name is appropriate because he takes those little choppy steps. Buck in every D line coach that I've ever been around always talks about hey, gain ground, Oh go, let's go gain around, get off the ball. How much ground can you cover in your first three steps? And he's just like, so, I think he's going to have to lengthen that out a little bit. It's something for him to work on, but he is. He is very very twitched up, very very explosive. All right, let's keep let's move backwards off there.

Then what we got here we go, So let's go defensive Tacklesjerson Newton from Illinois, Byron Murphy from Texas, to and Andre Sweat from Texas, Chris Jenkins from Michigan, and Brandon Dourius from Org.

Then what we got here we go, So let's go defensive Tacklesjerson Newton from Illinois, Byron Murphy from Texas, to and Andre Sweat from Texas, Chris Jenkins from Michigan, and Brandon Dourius from Org.

Yeah, so a couple of things. Jenkins is gonna test like a freak from Michigan. Doesn't make a ton of plays. He's tough to evaluate because he doesn't have a lot of action, doesn't make a lot of things happen. It's just that he's gonna be a really really impressive physical specimen. He's gonna run fast. Newton's really really good with his hands. I appreciate what he does as a rusher to me, Byron Murphy, and I think we'll see it in the testing. I haven't talked to where he's training yet. I'll get those numbers before we get to the combine. I have a feeling that Bier Murphy's gonna test like a freak oh.

Yeah, so a couple of things. Jenkins is gonna test like a freak from Michigan. Doesn't make a ton of plays. He's tough to evaluate because he doesn't have a lot of action, doesn't make a lot of things happen. It's just that he's gonna be a really really impressive physical specimen. He's gonna run fast. Newton's really really good with his hands. I appreciate what he does as a rusher to me, Byron Murphy, and I think we'll see it in the testing. I haven't talked to where he's training yet. I'll get those numbers before we get to the combine. I have a feeling that Bier Murphy's gonna test like a freak oh.

Well, normally Texas guys are always like really good testers because they get like I mean, they get some of the best recruits to get some of the best athletes, and then they unleashed him. He is kind of freakish when you kind of see the movement, just the movement skills and even Devandre Sweat like someone that big moving around, like you see stuff that you're not supposed to.

Well, normally Texas guys are always like really good testers because they get like I mean, they get some of the best recruits to get some of the best athletes, and then they unleashed him. He is kind of freakish when you kind of see the movement, just the movement skills and even Devandre Sweat like someone that big moving around, like you see stuff that you're not supposed to.

We don't know how big though. He has to get on the scale with the combine buck. He didn't get on the scaled Senior Bowl, Like you gotta get on a scale, big fellow.

We don't know how big though. He has to get on the scale with the combine buck. He didn't get on the scaled Senior Bowl, Like you gotta get on a scale, big fellow.

Come on now, like just yeah, I've all tell you that it's gonna be big. I hope he doesn't bust the scale, but he's gonna be huge. Chris Jenkins is interesting. Obviously. I was in Carolina with his dad. His dad is a two time Pro Bowl, two time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, and so blood lines and legacy will certainly help him. You talk about the lack of production, but I don't know if there's been a very productive Michigan d lineman that played on the interior coming out. They just kind of played their roles and set it up for other guys, but he's an interesting one to watch. Yep, Maurice Hurst.

Come on now, like just yeah, I've all tell you that it's gonna be big. I hope he doesn't bust the scale, but he's gonna be huge. Chris Jenkins is interesting. Obviously. I was in Carolina with his dad. His dad is a two time Pro Bowl, two time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, and so blood lines and legacy will certainly help him. You talk about the lack of production, but I don't know if there's been a very productive Michigan d lineman that played on the interior coming out. They just kind of played their roles and set it up for other guys, but he's an interesting one to watch. Yep, Maurice Hurst.

I go back to Maurice Hurst, maybe the last really yeah, productive interior guy there. All right, let's go to off the ball.

I go back to Maurice Hurst, maybe the last really yeah, productive interior guy there. All right, let's go to off the ball.

Linebackers. What we got so off to all? Linebackers is another entrant class. We talked about linebackers kind of being the defensive version of running backs where the value may not always be there. But there's some intriguing players, some that I would take flyers on Edrian Cooper from Texas A and m Jeremiah Charldon junior from Clemson, Peydon Wilson from n C State, Cedric Gray from North Carolina, and then Junior Colston from Michigan. And of that group, uh, THEOK Cooper I think is terrific. In terms of an athlete. Jeremiah Child junior, it's interesting to me just because similar to his dad, man, he is a traffic cop. He kind of understands if they throws it and stings that plays it. Maybe plays a step faster than his athleticism been talent because he just kind of knows what's going on and he has some of that that energy and that edge that his dad had I'm just a really really good player. And we talked about edge and energy. Peydon Wilson is man. He is an energy bus. He comes bull afire, he is nasty, he's aggressive. I mean, he just makes plays. This dude chases all up and down the field like people see that tape where he's just running down the field in pursuit. Just a really good player. So I actually like the linebacker class. I don't think that you necessarily have to take one in the first round, but I think in the second, third round these guys are gonna come in and make immediate contributions. Yep.

Linebackers. What we got so off to all? Linebackers is another entrant class. We talked about linebackers kind of being the defensive version of running backs where the value may not always be there. But there's some intriguing players, some that I would take flyers on Edrian Cooper from Texas A and m Jeremiah Charldon junior from Clemson, Peydon Wilson from n C State, Cedric Gray from North Carolina, and then Junior Colston from Michigan. And of that group, uh, THEOK Cooper I think is terrific. In terms of an athlete. Jeremiah Child junior, it's interesting to me just because similar to his dad, man, he is a traffic cop. He kind of understands if they throws it and stings that plays it. Maybe plays a step faster than his athleticism been talent because he just kind of knows what's going on and he has some of that that energy and that edge that his dad had I'm just a really really good player. And we talked about edge and energy. Peydon Wilson is man. He is an energy bus. He comes bull afire, he is nasty, he's aggressive. I mean, he just makes plays. This dude chases all up and down the field like people see that tape where he's just running down the field in pursuit. Just a really good player. So I actually like the linebacker class. I don't think that you necessarily have to take one in the first round, but I think in the second, third round these guys are gonna come in and make immediate contributions. Yep.

No, I think there's some good ones in there. Edrin Cooper to me, is is the top one as well. He's can he can really cover, he can run and he can cover, which is what you're looking for in today's linebacker. All right, let's go, uh save the corners for last, because I love the corner group. How about safeties?

No, I think there's some good ones in there. Edrin Cooper to me, is is the top one as well. He's can he can really cover, he can run and he can cover, which is what you're looking for in today's linebacker. All right, let's go, uh save the corners for last, because I love the corner group. How about safeties?

Okay, So safety class is so all over the place in terms of what you're looking for. One, it's already a hard position to evaluate because depending on how you're gonna play him in the pros, you may not necessarily get that. Uh. In college. But I'm gonna go with Tyler Neubman from Minnesota, Gamon Kitchens from Miami, Javon Bullet from Georgia, Kaylen Bullock from USC, and then take Smith from Georgia.

Okay, So safety class is so all over the place in terms of what you're looking for. One, it's already a hard position to evaluate because depending on how you're gonna play him in the pros, you may not necessarily get that. Uh. In college. But I'm gonna go with Tyler Neubman from Minnesota, Gamon Kitchens from Miami, Javon Bullet from Georgia, Kaylen Bullock from USC, and then take Smith from Georgia.

Yep, I would say, And I still have to do several of those guys. So that's a position that I've I've got a ton of work yet to do. But of the text I get from teams on asking like what do you think about this player, Kaylen Bullock's name comes up a lot. I think it's because he's he's tall and rangy, he's freaking fast. I saw him play against my son in high school, so I saw him in high school. Yeah, he's a passing daimyr. And that another kid was a UCLA was a corner too. Humphrey, I think it was his name, but John Humphrey, John Humphrey, that's it.

Yep, I would say, And I still have to do several of those guys. So that's a position that I've I've got a ton of work yet to do. But of the text I get from teams on asking like what do you think about this player, Kaylen Bullock's name comes up a lot. I think it's because he's he's tall and rangy, he's freaking fast. I saw him play against my son in high school, so I saw him in high school. Yeah, he's a passing daimyr. And that another kid was a UCLA was a corner too. Humphrey, I think it was his name, but John Humphrey, John Humphrey, that's it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he just transferred to USC. But Kaylen Bullock is really really athletic. Now, he's had some tackling issues, notably, like I think people go back to the Tu Lane game. I think he got ran over in that one. I think you tug ran over him a couple times as well. But really really rangy safety that teams are really really have peaked their interest on him and sometimes even think he played corner because he's just he's tall and along and fast.

I think he just transferred to USC. But Kaylen Bullock is really really athletic. Now, he's had some tackling issues, notably, like I think people go back to the Tu Lane game. I think he got ran over in that one. I think you tug ran over him a couple times as well. But really really rangy safety that teams are really really have peaked their interest on him and sometimes even think he played corner because he's just he's tall and along and fast.

Well, this was interesting about this group. So man, their years where we go through the safety class and man, you can't find one guy that makes splash plays DJ. These dudes have ball skills. I mean newban had thirteen.

Well, this was interesting about this group. So man, their years where we go through the safety class and man, you can't find one guy that makes splash plays DJ. These dudes have ball skills. I mean newban had thirteen.

News, got a bunch of production.

News, got a bunch of production.

Yeah, like like Books, I think has nine interceptions, Like these dudes get their hands on the ball. And with the value on turnovers in the National Football League even increasing, Man, you got to have someone who has some ball skills, and I think in this class you have some of those guys, but the tackling will be the issue that you have to address with a bunch of these guys got cent the fielders, but can they come up and be contributors in the ring game.

Yeah, like like Books, I think has nine interceptions, Like these dudes get their hands on the ball. And with the value on turnovers in the National Football League even increasing, Man, you got to have someone who has some ball skills, and I think in this class you have some of those guys, but the tackling will be the issue that you have to address with a bunch of these guys got cent the fielders, but can they come up and be contributors in the ring game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I have a little bit of a JT.

I think I have a little bit of a JT.

Woods wound and that I kind of bought in a little bit of him coming out of Baylor, tall, long, fast, tons of production. But he was not a tackler. And you can't stay on the field, man, if you can't tackle. It's the last line of defense.

Woods wound and that I kind of bought in a little bit of him coming out of Baylor, tall, long, fast, tons of production. But he was not a tackler. And you can't stay on the field, man, if you can't tackle. It's the last line of defense.

Man, it's too hard because inevitably, like the running backs, is gonna swirret through and it's gonna be you one on one with a ton of space. And if you're not able to get them down, I mean, it's a sixty yard test down. You have to be a dependable tackling That's one of the things that we've talked about, we've texted each other throughout the year. If you get tackle on the perimeter, man, it's a problem because all the bubble screens and things that people are doing, you just can't who's.

Man, it's too hard because inevitably, like the running backs, is gonna swirret through and it's gonna be you one on one with a ton of space. And if you're not able to get them down, I mean, it's a sixty yard test down. You have to be a dependable tackling That's one of the things that we've talked about, we've texted each other throughout the year. If you get tackle on the perimeter, man, it's a problem because all the bubble screens and things that people are doing, you just can't who's.

The best tackling Who is the best tackling secondary in the NFL this year?

The best tackling Who is the best tackling secondary in the NFL this year?

And see the Chiefs, man, they were getting people down, getting them down on the ground right now, there's yeah, it's not a surprise, not a surprise. All right.

And see the Chiefs, man, they were getting people down, getting them down on the ground right now, there's yeah, it's not a surprise, not a surprise. All right.

We save the best for last on defense?

We save the best for last on defense?

Your corner. What do you got, man? This is so tough. Man, We're gonna scrimmage just a lot Terran Arnold from Alabama, Nate Wiggins from Clemson, Cooper's Gene from Iowa, Quenyon Mitchell from Toledo in kool aid McKinstry from Alabama.

Your corner. What do you got, man? This is so tough. Man, We're gonna scrimmage just a lot Terran Arnold from Alabama, Nate Wiggins from Clemson, Cooper's Gene from Iowa, Quenyon Mitchell from Toledo in kool aid McKinstry from Alabama.

Okay, I will say this. I think because you had East West duties and you had to go down there and you do all your work down there, that you didn't get a chance to go to the Senior Bowl and watch that Quenyon Mitchell every day. I think if you'd have been at the Senior Bowl seen him every single day, Buck, I think he would have jacked him way up.

Okay, I will say this. I think because you had East West duties and you had to go down there and you do all your work down there, that you didn't get a chance to go to the Senior Bowl and watch that Quenyon Mitchell every day. I think if you'd have been at the Senior Bowl seen him every single day, Buck, I think he would have jacked him way up.

Yeah. I heard about it. I heard he's kind of like the star. He was the buzz. I read all the reports. I saw some of the video. I know he crushed it coming out of Tulita. This is your time. We still got time movie.

Yeah. I heard about it. I heard he's kind of like the star. He was the buzz. I read all the reports. I saw some of the video. I know he crushed it coming out of Tulita. This is your time. We still got time movie.

No, I know, Like I said, Like I said, I know you and I know what you like in players, and I'm just telling you I've seen the future. I don't know this is I'm Marty McFly. I'm just telling you, when we get to April, you're gonna have Quenyan Mitchell up higher. That's what I'm saying.

No, I know, Like I said, Like I said, I know you and I know what you like in players, and I'm just telling you I've seen the future. I don't know this is I'm Marty McFly. I'm just telling you, when we get to April, you're gonna have Quenyan Mitchell up higher. That's what I'm saying.

Well, here's the thing. I know that he was someone on the radar because you started texting and talking about him early January. Early January we had.

Well, here's the thing. I know that he was someone on the radar because you started texting and talking about him early January. Early January we had.

One of the first ones I popped because everybody's like, hey, you got to watch this kid. From Toledo, so you have no expectation.

One of the first ones I popped because everybody's like, hey, you got to watch this kid. From Toledo, so you have no expectation.

But I'll like, yes, it and and I think we've talked about it, but I appreciate the fact that he didn't bounce up, that he stayed in Toledo, he did his thing. He was the big fish in a small pond, but dominated. And then the fact that he goes to the Senior Bowl and dominates. You're right, I didn't get a chance to put my eyes on him personally. Man, I missed that part of it, like just being able to get them there, watching the one on ones, watch all those guys move and break and all this stuff. There's nothing like it. But I do know that he's rising with the bullet and there are a lot of people that are really excited about his potential.

But I'll like, yes, it and and I think we've talked about it, but I appreciate the fact that he didn't bounce up, that he stayed in Toledo, he did his thing. He was the big fish in a small pond, but dominated. And then the fact that he goes to the Senior Bowl and dominates. You're right, I didn't get a chance to put my eyes on him personally. Man, I missed that part of it, like just being able to get them there, watching the one on ones, watch all those guys move and break and all this stuff. There's nothing like it. But I do know that he's rising with the bullet and there are a lot of people that are really excited about his potential.

So again, training a lot of times, you know, you'll get different numbers from guys when they're training. I'll just say this, he's going to fly Pan Mitchell is going to fly to the point where to the point where if it's four three five, he'll hang as he'll you will see him hang his head on the combine saying I'm just saying, so, yeah, he and the interesting one to me, the one who I want to do more on who the league is higher on than I am, and you're higher on than I am is Wiggins because Wiggins has got size and speed and athleticism. The games that I watched, I think I went through three games to start through the process. I saw him hang on blocks. I didn't see him. He just didn't seem interested in the run game, and so I dinged him on that. But talking to other people, and there's like plays where he's chase. You'll see him chasing force fumbles way down the field. Show you some effort. I'm like, Yeah, there's a difference between running behind somebody and catching up to him versus getting off a block, filling forward and wanting to get in the mix. Like that's a different thing.

So again, training a lot of times, you know, you'll get different numbers from guys when they're training. I'll just say this, he's going to fly Pan Mitchell is going to fly to the point where to the point where if it's four three five, he'll hang as he'll you will see him hang his head on the combine saying I'm just saying, so, yeah, he and the interesting one to me, the one who I want to do more on who the league is higher on than I am, and you're higher on than I am is Wiggins because Wiggins has got size and speed and athleticism. The games that I watched, I think I went through three games to start through the process. I saw him hang on blocks. I didn't see him. He just didn't seem interested in the run game, and so I dinged him on that. But talking to other people, and there's like plays where he's chase. You'll see him chasing force fumbles way down the field. Show you some effort. I'm like, Yeah, there's a difference between running behind somebody and catching up to him versus getting off a block, filling forward and wanting to get in the mix. Like that's a different thing.

Yeah, everyone will put their face in the fan, you know what I'm saying. Like it is tough out there on the perimeter when you have to square up against the guy that sees you looks you dead in your eyes, Like will you be willing to make those tackles? You talked about the Kansas City Chiefs. The one thing that really showed up all year, manj They are a great tackling team on the perimeter. Got a little fistiness and the edge to him. But they do a great job of getting people to down. We saw that in the Super Bowl, but we saw it game after game after game. They did not allow a lot of yards after.

Yeah, everyone will put their face in the fan, you know what I'm saying. Like it is tough out there on the perimeter when you have to square up against the guy that sees you looks you dead in your eyes, Like will you be willing to make those tackles? You talked about the Kansas City Chiefs. The one thing that really showed up all year, manj They are a great tackling team on the perimeter. Got a little fistiness and the edge to him. But they do a great job of getting people to down. We saw that in the Super Bowl, but we saw it game after game after game. They did not allow a lot of yards after.

Catch, no doubt. Well, there you go. I think that's a that's a great list. Again, you can go to NFL dot com. What is the U r L on that in noveile U NFL dot com? Is it just Bucky Brooks? I think that's what it is. I think if you go NFL dot com and type in slash bucket Brooks, I think that's going to take you right where you want to be. There you go, Bucky Brooks on NFL dot com. All right, let's let's get into these uh these team conversations. This is something we're gonna do. We're trying to do this for every division. We've got our buddy Jack Andreid, who is the best in the business when it comes to research. I gave them a little project because we've talked in the past about a championship foundation and what does that look like? And we came up with on our show, you got to you know, if you wanna a champion team, you got to start with the quarterback. You need three offensive playmakers. You need three quality offensive linemen. You need two pass rushers and they can come inside, outside either way. And you need three defensive playmakers wherever they come linebacker, secondary, like just different second, third level players. So we had Jack then kind of run all these teams through this formula and see what it shook out. And so we're gonna start with the AFC East Buck and give people a little bit of a glimpse into these teams and where they are and where they could be headed. All right, you ready to roll?