AFC South & AFC West Championship Foundations

Published Jul 23, 2024, 8:16 PM

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are back with a new episode of Move the Sticks. For the first half of the show, the guys look at every AFC South team and break down the team building blocks and championship foundations for each team in the division with help from the NFL Research team (5:44). For the rest of the show, the pair focus on every AFC West team and then break down the team building blocks and championship foundations for each team in that division (19:57).

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And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

What's up, everybody?

Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky back with you.

Buck.

We are. We're polishing it up today. We are going to finish this Championship Foundation series here with the AFC South and the AFC West. But first of all, how you do man, Man?

I'm good.

Look, I'm really excited about training camp kicking off. I'm excited to get back to the season and this little exercise that we're taking on where we're looking at all the rosters, checking out the blues and just discussing it.

Kind of West appetite for when the football really kicks off in a week and a half.

Yeah, looking forward to getting out to practice, getting out in the grass. There's something about that, just smelling the grass and really the excitement that's in the air and the optimism that's in the air. For those that don't know from our day's scouting, Buck, I know we've mentioned it before, but it was always interesting to me when we would go on those August visits, difference in mood versus when you would go in there maybe in a in October or November visit after some of the scars had shown up on some of these coaches.

Yeah, no, it is always kind of funny to get to this part of it. But right, like you get all the great nation, all the stuff ahead of time, and then it inevitably changes once the wins and losses start pelling up.

Oh, this guy's gonna have a great year.

You're gonna love him.

He gonna play in the NFL for ten years.

One of the toughest guys.

I mean, he's gonna be I think he'll be the best player in the conference. And then you come in there in November, you're like, this guy, Now he doesn't work, he's not tough. You know in this game, he didn't do that game. Like what happened to this guy being the best player on the planet, the best leader that you've ever seen.

Yeah, it is funny, and I just remember because like a scouts, we always keep notsing you. You are one who uses multiple pins. But you have the first visit written in one pin and you get the background information. Then you take another pin.

But this visit and sometimes sometimes the information is different.

Even though we ask the same questions, the information is a little different a second go around, depending on how many losses the team is taken.

Yeah, a lot of times too, it's like, you know, we can't block this guy, we can't block him, and it turns out, yeah, it wasn't that he was good. This is the guys you got blocking are any good? And now we've seen that over the course of a few games. But anyways, I always enjoyed that time of the year. All right, Buck, to reiterate, if you're just checking us out here, we are doing a Championship Foundation series, which is where NFL research our buddies there have come up with the with the categories here to put these guys in. It was kind of something we spearheaded, something that we talked about on the pod for a long time is what is a championship Foundation? And the way we came up with it was, Okay, what's the core you need to win? You need a quarterback. You need three offensive playmakers, could be a variety of running backs, receivers, tight ends however, but you need three of those. You need three quality offensive linemen. You need two pass rushers, could be outside guys, inside guys or common nation. And you need three defensive playmakers in the back end. So linebackers and secondary, so we limit it to just those spots. You've got to put a name in each one of those slots here, and that's what we've determined is kind of the championship foundation. So then we have colors to give you an example of what each team looks like. So Blue blue chip player, top five to top ten player at his position in league. Elite player. Green is a very solid starter. You're not looking to replace him. He's a very capable, good player. Yellow has some type of concern, whether it's injury, whether it's age, whether it's a contract concern, so it could be in the last year of his deal. Pink is an unproven young player. And then Purple is an unproven young player but has some blue chip potential. A lot of those are first round picks, high draft picks, rookies that have that blue. So Pink and Purple really verdict still out on them. Then you've got Yellow, some type of a concern. Green, solid blue is what you're striving for here. So that's how we break this thing down, and that's where we find ourselves Buck today, looking at the AFC South and the AFC West. Before we get to these teams, has there been anything like theme wise that stood out to you. Any big picture takeaway from where we are in this process at this point in time.

I mean, I think the teams that are really committed to the draft and developed model have done a really good job of having a team that has sustainable success. Meaning we spend a lot of time on the last podcast talking about the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's not a coincidence that the Cincinnati Bengals have been one of the better teams in the league when you look at how they've drafted, how they've developed their players, and even though all those players having a sentence to the blue level, they have enough green players that they're always in the conversation.

I think as a team builder, look, everyone would love.

To win the title each and every year, but what you would like to do is have a team that is always in the conversation. And the best way to do it in today's game is to draft well, to really commit to the development part of it, and then to supplement those those solid nucleus or foundational pieces with really good players, and that gives you a chance to play at the championship.

Love.

Yeah, and so far where we are, and again we've got these last two divisions to do. There's been two teams that have been a cut above everybody else that would be in the NFC, the forty nine Ers from their roster, their collection of blue chip players is pretty outstanding. And then it's been the Baltimore Ravens. Those have been the two teams with the deepest collection of blue players. But we have yet to get to the AFC West, and there is a team in the AFC West that's won a few chips, so we'll see how they stack up with the Ravens and the forty nine Ers roster wise, we'll get to them after we finish up the AFC South. That's where we're going to start today. We're going to start with the Houston Texans, coming off of a ten and seven season which saw them win the AFC South. They are led by a I believe, the only twenty two year old blue that we have in the league right now, so that's pretty special. You have that at the quarterback position, with c J. Stroud to already be in the blue category in his second season. You've got Nico Collins, who I would argue as a blue buck. He's listed as a green here I'll send that to you to the judge. On Nico Collins, are you ready to put him in the blue category or is he a really good green?

No?

Look, man, I think he can be in the blue category because I don't know if there's a better number two receiver in the league than what he does. I mean, Nico Collins is a terrific playmaker on the outside.

He can be a number one for most teams.

Yeah, I think he is a number one. So that's that's an interesting one. That's a debate. But twenty five years old, really good player there, then you know you've got to pick your next guy.

Here.

I'm going to actually go and this is crazy because Stefan Diggs, what he's accomplished is insane. But he's a thirty year old. So if we're talking about, you know, the foundation, true definition of a foundation player, Tank Dell is twenty four years old. Both these guys are going to be yellows. I think Diggs probably on the age side of things. Tank Dell coming off of an injury. But I think if you're looking at what this offense looks like into the future, it's twenty two year old c J. Stroud, It's twenty five year old Nico Collins, it's twenty four year old Tank Dell. And then the other offensive playmaker, You've got Dalton Schultz, who's a rock solid green at twenty eight. You've got Joe Mixon at twenty eight. So I'll let you make this decision, Buck for the third spot. If we have Nico Collins and Tank Dell, if you're talking about a true foundation piece, are you going to go with Stefan Diggs, Dalton Schultz or Joe Mixon.

I'm gonna go with Stefan Diggs.

And the reason I'm gonna do that is because Stefan Diggs has been a tested one thousand yard receiver and even though he went a right at the end of his tenure with the Buffalo Bills, he still is a really good player.

Is he what he was? I don't know.

Maybe he's descending a little bit, but him descending still puts him in that category where he can be an impact player on this team with that quarterback.

Yep, I think that's a smart move. So we've got Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Stefan Diggs. No one in reserve. You've got a good tight end and a good back. We get to the three quality offensive lineman. Army Tunzel is a blue at thirty years old. You get your choice there between Titus Howard and Shaq Mason. There's some injuries there, but those guys are both yellows for that reason. Then you've got the young guys with Kenyon Green at twenty three and Juice Scrugs at twenty four. So let's go with Titus Howard there is a yellow, and let's go with Kenyon Green there as a pink. So that's their offense. You get over the defense. We've got a lot of guys that are blues. We've got Will Anderson as a twenty two year or sorry, a lot of guys that are greens. I should say Will Anderson twenty two year old green with blue potential, Daniel Hunter coming over as a green at twenty nine. You've got Petrie or Christian Harris both as greens. You've got Aziz Al Shaier is a green. You've got Stingley who is listed as a yellow. I'm guessing that the other injury, but I'm I'm gonna I think the blue. Yeah, I think you can make a case that him and Sauce Garden are in the same class. You could be talking about the top two corners in the league for the next seven eight years. So uh yeah, let's make Stingley a Blue. And then let's make the decision here with these playmakers between Petrie, Christian Harris, and Al Shaier. I'm going to go with Petrie and Harris as both greens there that would be the choice to pair up there with Derek Stingley as a blue. That's a you know what sneaky good roster man. Like, you think about their turnaround last year, but now you look at it and there's blues and there's quite a few guys with blue potential.

Yeah, what's crazy is how quickly this happened. How quickly they mean being able to flip it, because this is a team that was a laughing stock. We had look, no one thought that they would make the run that they made last year to now completely flip this roster and we're talking about one of the best rosters in football. Hats off to Nick Casario and what Dimiko Ryans have done. They've done a really good job and not only changing the cost, so they've changed the personnel and the talent that this team has. This is why everyone is excited about what they could be this season.

Yeah.

I like that group a lot they have there. Let's get to your Jags here, coming off a nine and eight season. You've got Trevor Lawrence is a Green at twenty four, etn is a Green at twenty five. Then you've got Evan Ingram at twenty nine. They also brought over Gabe Davis at twenty five, but those, you know. Then you've got Christian Kirk is a yellow. I believe we're coming off of injury there, buck, Is that what we've got coming.

Off in yellow? Yes, coming off an injury.

And then we get to the offensive lineman, Ezra Cleveland is a green. You've got shurf or Cam Robinson would be Yellows, Anton Harrison, he's got a nice bright future there, but he's a pink as a young player. And then you get to the defensive side. You've got I got it used to it's Heinz Allen now right, Josh Heinz.

Yeah, Josh Josh heines Allen. Yeah, he Chang's his last name. I wanted to make sure both sides will represented.

Yeah, good for that's cool. He's a twenty seven year old blue. And then you've got some greens here with Trayvon Walker still twenty three man, he's a baby, Olua Khan is a green at twenty nine, Devin Lloyd is a green at twenty five years old, and then you got your choice between Campbell and Cisco twenty four year olds there for the last spot. Buck, you make the call there in terms of the foundational pieces, sure for Cam Robinson, who's going to be there longer and be more impactful on the long term. And then Tyson Campbell or Andre Cisco, you got to pick one.

Okay, So I'm gonna say Cam Robinson right now because Brandon Schriff is on the decline and injuries that really beat him to a pulp. And then when it comes to the two guys at the bottom, Typing Campbell and Andre Cisco both a good but give me andre Cisco because I think Andre Cisco has an opportunity to be a difference maker as a ballhawk in the back end.

Yeah, I like that. So again, a lot of a lot of green. There's a lot of really solid players there for the Jags need some of those guys, and I'm looking at guys like Trayvon Walker. Can he climb into that blue category? Can he make that leap? Christian Kirk coming back healthy, can he get more into that green category? So then now you're talking about a rock solid group of guys, and then, more important than anything else, the guy they just paid at the quarterback position in Trevor Lawrence, four year old buck feels like he's around for a minute. He's twenty four years old.

Yeah, he's getting like the conversation is very similar to the conversation we had on the last spot about Deshaun Wison in terms of being the lynch fan. Trevor Lawrence is the lynch fan to this team's title hopes. He's aman to the rest of the guys on the offense playing better. When Trevor Lawrence plays well, Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, those guys can ascend to being blue chip players when he is protected. That offensive line certainly has to do a really good job. But I think a lot of the hopes and dreams for the Jaguars are tied to number sixteen. Number sixteen plays well. This team is going to be a surprise team in AFC.

YEP, It's going to be a fun team to watch. You're gonna have a front row seat for it all year long. Indianapolis Colts coming off a nine to eight year interesting team to look at. Here, you've got Anthony Richardson is a twenty two year old Purple, so again got hurt last year's ricky campaign, but Purple signifying as a young, unproven player with blue chip potential. Got Jonathan Taylor is a Blue at twenty five years old. You've got Michael Pittman as a Green at twenty six. You've got ad Ni Mitchell at twenty one years old, one of the youngest players in the league. He is a Purple. Then you look at the offensive lineman. You've got Quentin Nelson as a Green, You've got Braden Smith as a Green, and you've got Ryan Kelly as a Yellow. So that's the offensive line. And then you get to the pass rushers. Quitty pay is really good young player at twenty five, and you've got Buckner at thirty to go along with Ebukam, but let's keep Buckner there. And then the defensive playmakers. You've got Kenny Moore twenty nine, You've got Julian Blackman and EJ.

Speed.

You've got your choice there of a couple of yellows and Juju Brince as a purple. So when I look at this team, Buck, the three things that stand out to me are the high upside young guys they have that haven't proven anything yet, but man Anthony Richardson, ad Ni Mitchell, Juju Brince, These guys are athletic freaks with literally limitless potential. So what can they get out of them? How close do the guys like that get to their stealing I think that determines what we get with the Colts.

Yeah, the Colts frontal because we talked about their draft process and how these are. This is a team that has really going after all the athletic freaks the last couple of years in the draft, and what they really put their hopes on is that their coaching staff can develop them. And you see very quickly that they have certainly developed these guys to a point. They have some intriguing pieces, some pieces that have the potential to go to the next level, but they need some more seasoning and a lot of the Colts success will be tied to Anthony Richardson. Anthony Rigison is the big, biggest freak of them all. When it comes to his athletic gifts. They've talked about what he's done in the off season, how he's really dug into the quarterback position, and if he's able to take that natural talent and put it together where we see it in the performance and the production.

The sas Coast team is tough man.

Because they some people that can really tilt the field just with their explosiveness due to their athletic attributes. But if the quarterback, if the quarterback develops like they expect them to develop, their problem, they can be a problem.

Yeah.

I'm looking at these teams in this division and I'm kind of summarizing it this way. Houston Texans ready made. They have they have a lot of blue and green on their on their foundation here. They are ready made. They are ready to roll. The Jacksonville Jaguars, the theme would be that the Jim Collins book good to great. Right, They've got a lot of good. They need some of those guys to transition into the great category. That's how it summarized. The Jags, the Indianapolis Colts. It is the it is wide open. It is it is boom or bust, it is take the driver out of the bag. It is hero or zero, however.

You want to phrase it.

But they have the most variance of like of what they can be at their best and what they could be at their worst. I feel like there's more distance between those two than than the other teams we've mentioned. We'll get to the Titans here in a second.

I mean they're going for it.

They have the ability to go for and look man, no risk and no biscuit. That's the approach that they're taking. And if their guys hit, they're gonna hit in a major way. Because we talked about site size, speed warriors. They have all of those guys. It's just a matter of putting together and teaching those guys how to play football and play as a unit.

Let's get to the last team here, the Tennessee Titans, coming off a six and eleven finish. Will Levis is a pink twenty five years old at quarterback. You've got Tony Pollard, Calvin Ridley, and d Hop You've got two greens and one yellow there with their playmakers. You get to the offensive line, you've got a couple of purples here and Scarronsky and J. C. Latham at twenty three and twenty one years old. So man, good young players, but we got talented players. We got to see them and what they can accomplish. And then I would put Lloyd Cushionberry as the third guy there. He is a green. Then we get to the defensive side of the ball. Jeffrey Simmons is a blue all day every day at twenty seven years old. Harold Landry is the other pass rusher at twenty eight he is a green. And then you get to the defensive play makers. Leagerius Sneid is listed as a green here. I would nominate him for a Blue buck. Would you agree he's a top five.

Yes, yes, yeah, he should be in the conversation. Yes, he has to be up to here.

Yeah, so we're gonna make him a blue. A Woozia is a green. And then you've got Armani Hooker as a yellow at twenty six years old. So there's a couple of blue chippers there. But I would say, when you look at this team again, if I was going to be hopeful on the Tennessee Titans, I would look at three players. I would look at these two young offensive linemen and Skuransky and JC Latham twenty three and twenty one years old, and then I would look obviously at the quarterback at Will Levis at twenty five years old. Those are three young players, a lot of talent, a lot of ability, But that team's going to go as those guys go. Those guys hopefully you're seeing that group, that little triangle players getting better as we go throughout the year.

Yeah.

No, They're funny because they have the young players in players that are ready to go to the next level, and then they have some older.

Players who have to continue to play at a high level.

And I would say this, I would say Calvin Ridley has to play in a blue category for them to get what they want. On offense from Will Levis, DeAndre Hopkins continues to defy expectations and ours because most of us thought that he would be a descending player at this stage of his career. But he continues to play well. So if Hopkins and Ridley play well, they're going to help the quarterback play well. Then on defense, Thenard Wilson, defensive coordinator, he has to find a way to get these young guys to be more impactful around Jeffrey Simmons. Jeffrey Simmons is the strawtest stirs to drink, but he needs Harold Landry and those guys around him to also contribute. But to move to get lugerious, sneed a true number one corner on the outside who can play man demand because this team wants to put their hands on wideouts on the outside. If they can bring back and you know, because you're with the Baltimore Ravens, if they can bring back that Tennessee Tyrants attitude where they felt like they could beat everybody up, that's when the Titans are at their best when they're playing that brand to play. And even though you may have a new coach, I think some things are like franchise traditions and that style of play has always been traditional when it comes to the Tennessee Titans.

No doubt that it's a team that I think when you stack it up in the division just in this exercise, feels like the fourth team. I don't think there's you know, tremendous pressure on them right now. New coach, new general you know, newist general manager there, and ran So hadn't been there too long, so I think there'll be some patience here, especially the Dereck Henry era being over. I think there's going to be a little bit of transition here, but hopefully again, what you see at the end of the year with these young guys better than what you see at the beginning of the year. Like that's got to be the hope if you're a Tennessee Titans fan. All right, let's take a break when we come back. I mentioned the Niners and the Ravens have been the most talented, the most blue laden teams that we've gone over. Will they be overtaken by the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll get to them in the AFC West right after this. All right, Buck, let's roll through it here. The Kansas City Chiefs a lot of blue here. Patrick Mahomes twenty eight year old blue. He's the bluest of the blue. Travis Kelcey, it's you know, look, it's he's thirty four years old. But I don't see drop off there, so he's still a blue, still an elite, elite player. The other offensive playmaker spot, you've got Rashie Rice or Mark He's brown, both as yellows, you know, for for different reasons. But you know you've got talent there. I think Rashie Rice, what he showed last year as a player on the field, there's a lot to be excited about. Just needs to he needs to be a little bit better off the field. Then we get to Pa Checko is a Green. Then you get to the three quality offensive lineman Creed Humphreys of Blue, Tray Smith's a Blue, and then you've got Joe Tooney, who is a to me is a You know he's listed as a yellow here, but I would you can make a case so when he's at his best, he's a greenish bluish player. Then you get to the defensive side of the ball. Chris Jones is a Blue, Carl Loftis is a Green at twenty three years old, Trent McDuffie is a twenty three year old blue. Nick Bolton is a twenty four year old Blue. And then you've got your choice there between Cook, Justin Reed, and Leoshanal. I probably go Leo Shanal, just a twenty four year old is a really good players at green. A lot of blue, buck that's a lot of blue represented there with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yeah, a lot of blue, and a lot of times people are being disrespectful when they just kind of painted like its Pat Mahomes in company. Pat Mahlmes is terrific, but this is also a very well thought out, well organized, and choreographed roster where the pieces of the puzzle fit. You talked about the offensive line, and that's where I kind of like to focus Freed, Humphrey, Trey Smith, Joe Toney, like those guys you're talking about, potentially three blues at the line of scrimmage. They make life easy for not only Pat Mahomes, but for Isaiah Pacheco to be able to do his thing. The question mark that you have is what is Rashid Rice.

Going to be?

Because for them he's playing like the number one receiver last year. You have the issues off the field, but if he comes back, he's available. You now put him with Hollywood Brown, you have Xavi Worthy. This offense has been perditioned in the last couple of years. They could go back to being what they look like when Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey were in their primes. Defensively, christ Jones is the guy, but Carl loftis, Finn McDuffie, Bowden, Leno Chana.

They have a really good defense.

This team is tough and they could pull off what has not been done to three peet just because the roster is really stacked.

From top to bottom.

We could talk about their motivation and can they avoid complacency, but talent wise, they certainly have the talent.

In place to pull it off.

It's kind of funny because you know, the narrative had been Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes can kind of carry a group, and then when you step back and look at it, and you look at the just the individual talent and the foundations of these teams not a mystery. You know, while they're winning it. We have them and the and the Ravens tied with seven Blue players a piece, forty nine ers just behind him, but those being the two most talented teams, I don't think that people necessarily talk like that, and maybe that changed last year just because you couldn't avoid what they were doing with their defense was so dominant. But this is a team that not only has the best you can make a case has the best quarterback and the best coach in the entire league. They have continuity because they've been together and they also just happen to have the best championship foundation. Aside from those two pieces of anybody else in the entire league, them and the Baltimore Ravens are stacked.

Yeah they are.

And they just continue to get better and better and better. And I say what's scary about them is they remove some pieces around Pat Mahomes the last couple of years, and I think that made him better now when you reinsert talent around him. He has the ability I would say as a basketball player, he can hit you with the layup, in the drive, he can hit you with the mid range and then you can do a three point shot. He has all of the those things at his disposal this year that he didn't have in previous years. That is problematic for defensive coordinators trying to come up with it. And he has the look you're knowing I don't have the forest things because I have a defense that's good enough to get stops and give me more opportunities at it.

You look at not only the number of blue players for them, and then we'll move on after this thought. But to me, the fascinating thing is you look at Creed Humphrey being twenty five, Tray Smith being twenty five, McDuffie being twenty three, Bolton being twenty four. Those four guys, and then I go back to when we talked about on a previous episode with the Jets with Garrett Wilson twenty four, Breisee Hall twenty three, Quinnin Williams twenty six, Saus Gardner twenty four. If you're looking at just the best collection of young blue players, those would be the two teams there. I don't think that people think of Jets like that, but that's it's fascinating.

It is fascinating, and it's one of the things that you look for when you wonder about how can team go on the these championship runs. So what we're saying right now, we're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, a team that is what three out of the last four, a team that's in the middle of a back to back looking for a three peet, and we're saying that their best is still out in front of them based on the young players that they've assembled. So for the next, let is see, three to five years, this team is gonna be in the conversation, not just because of the quarterback and the coach, but because of the other young players around those guys. Makes it like it makes it fascinating to watch and to see how much are they going to win? How many are they going to win with the talent that they have in place.

I mean, the quarterbacks get another ten years of prime. I mean he's going to be in the late thirties and still be playing at a very high level. It's really the two players you keep an eye on there. If you're looking at what's the hope that people may have is that maybe this at thirty or thirty four years old, this is the time we start to see some drop off with Kelsey. Maybe at thirty years old Chris Jones, maybe there's some signs of slippage there. But even with that being the case, we've referenced it, they still have a lot of other good, strong, core talented young players there. For the Kansas City Chiefs, all right, let's get to the next team here, the Raiders coming off an eight to nine year Aidan O'Connell is a pink twenty six years old. Davante Adams is a hanging on There is a blue at thirty one, Jacoby Myers is a green at twenty seven, and then you've got Brock Bowers as a twenty one year old, one of the youngest guys here is a purple. Excited to see him play. Get to the offensive line. You've got a solid green there with Colt Miller at twenty eight Jackson powers Johnson with a rookie again at twenty one year old, will be a purple. And then we'll go with Gosh, we go with parhum there, I guess with The next one is a pink at twenty five. Get to the defense. Max Crosby is a blue all day long. At twenty seven, Christian Wilkins buck he's a green on here. I mean, I would argue that he's a blue. Would you fight that notion? You got paid as a blue. He's a blue. He's a blue.

Eight and a half sacks from interposition.

Yeah, he's a blue player.

Yep, I'm with him. So then you get to the playmakers in the back end. Here's where you need some some guys to step up here. Jack Jones is, Jack Jones, merrig and Nate Hobbs all listed as yellows here. So for different reasons, Jack Jones has just had some stuff off the field, but he's you know, he is very, very talented since he came into the lineup there. I saw a first end of the Chargers game. But you look at this team, I think, to me, that's the thing that jumps out is they need secondary players, and they need their back half, linebackers and secondary. They need some some guys to emerge there and prove that they're better than we expect. And I also think they're going to rely on two rookies with Brock Bauers, Jackson Powers Johnson. You know, I would argue, you know, Jacoby Myers is a really solid player, but you could also keep an eye on. You know, they've got another tight end there from Notre Dame they could throw in the mix there.

Michael Mayer, Yeah, the the Raiders are intriguing just because of some of the players around DeVante Adams that can still emerge. Brock Bauers being what some of us would say was maybe the best player in the draft, so you have an opportunity to put him and Michael mra together to give you really a dynamic twelve personnel package. Jacoby Myers playing at a green level alongside DeVante Adams, all those things are good. You hope that you can get some emergence from their offensive line where they can just play better than what the expectations are based on the color code. Defensively, to me, Max Crosby and Christin Wilkins could be the best one to two punch that we've seen inside and outside.

If they played to.

The level, they're gonna make everybody behind them play that much better. It's a team that's not quite there, but they're just good enough to snatch down teams that are better than them.

I e.

The way that they played the Knas City Chiefs last season. I think on Christmas Day when they were able to get a win, they can knock off some of those teams.

And so we'll see if AP can get it going.

But right now they have just enough to be a dangerous threat in the AFC, not necessarily to win it, but to make every game very very competitive, and then for them to knock off a couple teams that might be listed as better than them.

Yeah, duel wise, I don't know there's a better one in the league inside outside than Max Crosby and paired up with Christian Wilkins, that's gonna be fun to watch those guys play together and see what that looks like. Defensively, for the Raiders again. Need some young guys in the linebacker secondary positions to emerge and step up. Let's get to the Denver Broncos coming off an eight nine season as well.

Bo Nix.

We're gonna go ahead and throw him in there as a starter as a twenty four year old. He is a pink right now. Javonte Williams and Courtland Sutton would be yellows. Marvin Mims Junior is a pink, so Javonte Williams twenty four years old, Mims twenty two, Ston twenty eight. Then we get to the three quality offensive lineman. Quinn Miners just got paid good for him, twenty five years old, Green mcglench. He's a green at twenty nine. Garrett Bowles is a yellow at thirty two. We get to the two pass rushers. You've got Zach Allen's a really good young player at twenty seven years old. You've got Nick Benito or Jonathan Cooper, got your choice there, they would be pinks twenty four and twenty six. Pats or Tan is still twenty four years old. Man, he's young. He's a blue. Alex Singleton as a playmaker at thirty and then You've got Cody Barton as a playmaker. He is twenty seven, So you need some complimentary pieces to step up around Pats or Tan in the secondary buck and then otherwise, I mean all sites, all eyes are going to be on bo Nicks in that quarterback position. However that shakes out. They need those guys to play well.

Yeah, they do need those guys to play well.

And you know this is a rossa that is, i would say, in transformation like they're trying to kind of make it over. They're trying to figure out what the pieces are around him, and Chompagne is opening that he can coach him well enough that he can manage the game and sneak out a few wins. Bow Nicks is gonna be interesting because Bownicks should be the day one starter. Bownix comes with more collegia star than anyone in NFL history. He should be able to jump in there. And if he's able to jump in there and play what we call small ball, dink and dunk, get it to some of the playmakers on the outside while they run the football. They should be able to stay in games. We just saw Manners get paid. They paid big money a season ago. For Mike mcclinchey. They got to get those guys playing. They need Garrett Bowles to hold on and just play at a solid level. And then defensively, it's on Vance Joseph to try and take these pieces and find a way to get some production. They don't have a high level pass rusher, which is difficult, so they may be more coverage than rush. It can be done in the league, but it's a lot harder to cover these guys on the outside given the way the rules are. But Vance Joseph can trick it and kind of scheme it up. But Pastor ten is the lynchpin to the way they will have to pro using it. Have to play with this approach where they have to be more coverage based and pressure based.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting to look at. You know, a lot of their best players are really young, so that's the encouraging thing. They need these guys to be taught properly. As you mentioned, some of the pieces they have in place on the coaching staff are well known for being good developers, so that's going to be huge for them those young guys starting to climb and develop. For the Denver Broncos. I think it could be a step back before a step forward, though you use the term transition, that would not be a surprise to me. Let's get to the Los Angeles Chargers coming off a six and eleven season, the Jim Harbaugh era kicks off. You've got a blue quarterback and twenty six year old Justin Herbert. The offensive playmakers. This is where the questions are right. You've got Gus Edwards slash JK. Dobbins wherever you want to go with there. I guess you probably have to go with Gus Edwards based off of, you know, recent health and production as a twenty nine year old yellow. Josh Palmer coming off of an injury. He's a twenty four year old yellow. And then you've got Lad McConkie or Quentin Johnson. I would go Ladd McConkie here as a twenty two year old pink. You get to the quality offensive lineman. You've got Slater's a twenty five year old blue. You've got Joe Alter rookie as a twenty one year old man, just a baby. He's a purple there pro. You know he's got blue potential as a rookie haven't seen him play yet. Zion Johnson's a twenty four year old Pink. Then you get to the pass rushers, really, I mean, you've got Toy Poloto, who's a he's a foundational piece for them as a twenty one year old, he's a young kid. And then you've got Bosa and Mac as yellows coming off of an injury for Bosa, the age for Mac. Then the back end, you've got Derwin James as a twenty eight year old Blue, not coming off of his best season, but the talent still there. Sante Samuel is a twenty four year old Yellow, and then you've got just Sir Taylor as a twenty five year old pink is their nickel. So takeaways there. When you look at the Chargers.

Buck.

Talented team, a team that there's a lot of excitement about because of the coaching and coaching matters in this league. Because this team has been regarded as one of the franchises with the most talented rosters. I mean, last five years, everyone has talked about how talented they are. It's funny that now that they have a high level coach to everyone respects, you don't hear as much talk about the roster, but what you pointed out is a roster still pretty talented. Yes, they've dumped a lot of the I would say the marquee weapons that have been household names.

No Keenan Allen, no Mike Williams.

But what they've done, I believe is kind of flipped it where they really invested in the offensive line. They're really, i would say, hanging their offensive hopes on the offensive line. And when I look at Zion Johnson and Joe aut and Rashaan Slater, there are three guys that should be able to play at blue levels, particularly the young guys blue levels early in their respective careers.

If they get that.

Then they can run the football behind I would say a Hodgepod's collection of running backs Gus that was in JK.

Dobbins. You've talked about it.

I think you called Joshua Palmer the fantasy football sleeper that if you looking for someone that can be better than many expect, look for him to be the guy that kind of becomes the focal point of the offense when they throw it. I've heard a lot of reports, not from you, but reports they're talking about him having a prominent role and we may not see Quinn Johnson as much, so I'm excited to see that.

And then on defense, I.

Know Joey Bosaying Khalil Mack are older, but still both are very capable of getting done.

Just look at the numbers. And then Derwin James. If Derwin James comes back and plays like the Derwin James that we know and love, Yeah, it's two pass rushers. A guy is a defensive playmaker. That's more enough to be able to get it done in national football.

Yeah, and again it's uh, you know, I guess for this exercise just because it will get crushed if we don't do it otherwise. But you know, for the two pass rushers, you have to put Bosa and Mack there, even though if you're talking about a foundational piece tow we pull out to as a younger player is going to be here for a longer period of time, But that's the decision to be made there. And then you know you need a Sante Samuel Junior to play well. I think that behind this pass rush, in this defensive scheme, they're going to generate a lot of legitimate but one on one pressure wins and they're going to have some deception deception type pressures there with Jesse Menner, So I think that pressure playing top down for Sante Samuel using his eyes and instincts, I think he has a good year, gets his hands on a lot of footballs, and then you took the words out of my mouth. Offensively, If this team's good, if they flip this record, they go from six and eleven to eleven and six, it'll be because Rashaun Slater will be back to being healthy and being the Pro bowler that he is. Joe Alt will play at a Pro Bowl level, and Zion Johnson, who by all accounts has had a wonderful offseason as a twenty four year old former first rounder, is a big, powerful guard. Those three guys will be Pro bowlers. That to me, if you're going to say how do they flip their record, people will say, well, who are the receivers going to emerge? And what's the crowded backfield? And you know the question marks there, who's the running back? To me, if those three guys are blue players, if those three guys are you know, Pro Bowl caliber players, that's how they flip their record.

Yeah, that's how they flip it.

Those guys have to play well, they have to embrace i'll say, a different brand that we're not necessarily used to seeing with the Charge was his physicality and toughness, kind of a rough and rugged demeanor and approach. And Jim Harbor has already said it, don't let the powder Blues fool you. This is a team that's not going to be soft. Heard everything about them. We have seen the product that he has produced and how he's turned around teams, whether it's in college or the pros. I spec to see the same thing from the Charges. A lot of buzz, a lot of positivity. They got that brand new facility, the boat. I'm sure you got a nice little office there, so I'm excited.

I'm excited. I'm excited to kind of see what it looks like you and your name plate.

You probably have like access to the infrared sona and cold plunge tub.

You can be all you me and Elsa Gunda all the time. Yeah, I know.

I think That's what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna leave NFL Network, which is not far from the Charges new facility, and then just get a little cold plunge in before I get in the contract. Wake me up a little bit, a little natural nature's caffeine. There have you done that? By the way, you did it when you played oh.

No like So it's so funny.

I was just telling Oh, I was trying to get my daughter to ice and I was telling her my whole approach.

To getting in the ice tub. I would I would take a big towel.

And I dump it in the hot tub, and then I would wrap it around me up top while I was to merge in the uptight uptight I'm warm, and then by the time I numb, doubt it didn't matter. But yeah, that that was the thing. But I've heard I've heard everyone talk about the contrast between the infrared sona and in the cold plunch. I still just don't have the I don't have the wherewithalught. I don't know if I'm tough enough just to cold plunch without.

So my brother, my brother has one. He lives ten minutes away, so we've been doing it. My I take my son, who's had some back stuff. So we've been going over there almost every day and doing it. It doesn't matter how many times you do it. That first step into that thing is just you gotta summon some courage. Man, you gotta summon some courage to get in that thing. But I do feel good after you get out of it, So I do buy some of the hype on that thing. I remember when we were playing, like we get trash cans and we get into like those little those metal tins, you know.

Oh yeah or whatever.

Yeah, I mean I'm a long way now, yeah, I mean a long long way.

That is not very sanitary, coming to think of it, back back in the day, by the way, I mean, don't don't overthink it was back in the day.

Try not to overthink of course.

All right, that's gonna do it for us today. Hope you guys have enjoyed this series. Here Championship Foundations, fun way to look at these rosters. And again we'll see how these these colors change as we go through this season, see which guys are on the come up and which guys start to slip a little bit. We'll revisit this all the time here. We will keep you up to date here on the show. But that's gonna do it for us today. We'll be back one more episode this week and we'll see you here on Move Sticks