Coming up next on Huddle and Flow. I was just getting comfortable around UH President Obama, and I think he he wanted to kind of break the ice a little bit because I was. I was riding in his car with him, and UM I talked to UH. I guess Michelle had UH had reached out to him before the round, and UH told him to give me a message that if I wanted to talk trash about President Obama, that I should go straight for the Ears. I think it was straight from the ears. Just trashed the big Ears NonStop, and that's the one that could get under the skin a little bit. And so he was humble enough to pass that on to me knowing that it was gonna trust he was giving me some AMMO, so that might speak to his confidence and trash circles. So he didn't give me material, knowing that he had some other stuff in the bag. That's next on Huddle and Flow. Alright, alright, Well, the NFL season maybe over, but the Huddle and Flow podcast it definitely isn't. We're still clearing our throats right here. Remember the Hudd on Flow podcast brought you by into it, proud makers of Turbo Tax Mint and Quick books. I'm Steve White. You with my guy Jim trot Or two thirds of the Howard Mob before You're The third is Thomas Warren, our producer on the Ones and twos JT. We just witnessed a beat down in Tampa. It was not It was not the competitive super Bowl that we all thought, not at all. You know, look, I always thought Tampa had a chance, but I never thought or what I had said going in is whoever wins, it would be a close game. But you know, it just shows any Sunday and thinking happen. And and it's what's funny is when we had Todd Bolson last week, we asked him about Kansas City's offensive line and what did he say? He said, I'm not biting the cheese, buying the cheese, define exactly, Jeff. What they were doing to the offensive line was so similar to what the Patriots did to the Rams offensive line in the Super Bowl. Like we saw the production of the rush off the edge, but preceding that, they were beating the hell out of those tackles. There were times when when Bowls would line up Vita Villa at at a wide defensive end. It was a seven technique right the outside shoulder, the offensive tack and he was hammering him, just crushing him, and so you knew that that was just kind of seasoning the meat. And then when it came time for the Chiefs to have to be a throw throw throw team, that's when Shaq Barrett and JPP and the Dominicans who just absolutely ate them up. It was it was impressive, you know, and I um, I was happy for Coach Bowls. You know, um, people focus so much on on the offenses in this game, and even in Tampa, people wanted to focus on the Tom Brady story, which was a fairytale ending for him leaving New England after twenty seasons, getting this championship in his first year in Tampa. But for me, for Todd Bowls to do what he did to to put together a game plan that held Patrick Mahomes to his worst game as a pro. I mean, never in Patrick's three years as a starter had he ever gone without a touchdown leading the offense to a touchdown. Never before had they lost the game, um by double digits. It was just an impressive performance, game planned by Todd Bowls and execution by the players. It was crazy. So I had a couple of coaches texting me during the game. They're like, Tampa was playing a two high shell when they're doubling up Tyreek wherever he goes quick game under, the quick game underneath, they can move the ball up and down. I feel all day quick game underneath, and my Homes didn't have time to do it, and the Chiefs abandoned it, and people were stunned that they weren't keeping in bringing an extra tight end to maybe help out those offensive tackles. So this was a case really where again, in some ways it was like that Patriots Rams game, and in some ways it was like the Seattle Broncos wipe out Super Bowl because Kansas City, I mean some of the penalties, some of just the absolute dumb plays and the fact that those receivers did not help out Patrick Mahomes one bit. I mean, the drops that they had. It was like they picked the wrong time of the season to play their worst game, because it was they were bamboozled. But Jim Let's also flip it Byron left, which was in his bag that first touchdown to Gronk where they sent all the motion right and they flipped Gronk back underneath to the left that look up like a page out of Kansas City's playbook. And they just absolutely manipulated the hell out of the chief's defensive tendencies. Yeah, said afterwards. It's the thing that they had been setting up because they had not had him do that before. They had simply had him blocked down. He would stay there. So no, Byron did a tremendous job. And yes it was Byron and not Todd bowls as as. One reporter after the game asked Byron, hey, how did you shut down Patrick Mahomes? And I just wanted to say, really, really, come on now, you know, I know we all look alike, but come on, come on, man, I mean that that was yeah, let's you know, let's let's go there. You know, the typical of Byron. He handled it with poison class. You know, he was the personal blast. He was so funny. He was like, oh, you're thinking of Todd. That's all good. You know some other people have been like no, we we both probably have been like next, next, next question. So did Jim Um, you know, I know we're talking about the Super Bowl, but a little bit later on the podcast, we're bringing on NBA. Great Steph Curry of the Golden State Warriors, and you and our producer Thomas Warren actually had a great conversation with him about a lot of the things he's doing on the court, uh, what he's doing in the golf game, how he sponsored Howard University's golf program. So I just want to learn that Steph Curry's getting ready to come on this podcast, and it's fantastic and I'm glad I got Thomas Warren came on and and absolutely killed it because you know, he's got that radio background. He's more than just a guy mixing things on the wheels of steel. But real quick, let's let's get back to this before you get to staff. Um. It's a conversation that's been had about the coach hiring thing, and we're not gonna go into the obvious things about we had all the black coordinators there, but Sean Payton, you know, really talked about it when we had him on the huddling flow, and that is delaying the coach hiring process to laughter the Super Bowl, And to me, this is the greatest example of how you could do that because then you know all these teams that have all these lead time to do any type of homework, research, whatever they needed to do on the coach is coaching in the Super Bowl. But I think Byron Leftwich and Todd Bowles and yes Eric b Enemy would have a better opportunity to get jobs if this process was slow played. You know, Steve, I'd like to think you're right, but I tend to believe, based on the history and what we've seen, that many of these clubs have their mind made up before the process ever even starts. And that's why I do agree with you. I think the process should be pushed back and interviews shouldn't start until app in the Super Bowl. But the reality is, in my mind at least, is that it's not going to make a difference. Um. What's funny to me is many of the coaches prior to the process beginning that we had identified with certain teams were the coaches who got hired. So as much as owners come back and say so and Soul was great in his interview, or this, that and the other, at the end of the day, those teams still went with the people that we had identified right up front. So that's why I say, I don't know how you correct the process other than if some are speculating, um, there may have to be legal action. And that's really what the impetus was back at the turn of the century. UM in two thousand, two thousand one, when Cyrus Mary and Johnny Cochrane threatened legal action against the NFL, which helped contribute to the adoption of the Rooney Rule. And over the next decade we saw incremental improvement and then we slipped backwards. And I hope that's not the case, but um, who knows. And the other thing that we're hearing now is more talk about UM these groups, whether it's the Frid Pollard Alliance or others, addressing League sponsors and asking the question of, during this time where supposedly we have this enlightenment, do you really want to deal with an organization that clearly has some discriminatory practices in terms of its hiring, Because objectively, you can put up blind resumes and it will show that some of these black candidates clearly are more qualified than their white counterparts who are getting jobs. Well, m it's not about changing the process, is about changing the mentality, and we know how hard that is in society. All right, Well, enough of this, let's get to the good stuff here at Jim, let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry and just kind of a little caveat here. Um, I was not here, I was down. I was actually up in the sky and in a fueling plane over the Gulf of Mexico, a Casey one thirty five fueling plane, which was like an incredibly cool experience fueling a B one bomber that was gonna be partaking a flyover when this is recorded. And um, you know, as excited as I was to do that here in Jim and Thomas do this interview with Steph Curry. It's just a bomb. So let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry. We have another member of the Howard mob who's gonna be on the show to day, Mr Stephen Curry. We are excited to have him in. I gotta tell the backstory. You know. Steph pledge to relaunched the Howard Golf program which has been which had been dormant for a couple of decades or more. And the minute he did that, Steve and I both said we gotta get step on the show. We got to talk about it because everyone knows we're all about Howard. So Steph. First, we want to say welcome to the show. Thank you for all you do. And I've read different stories about how it all came together that you helped relaunch Howard's golf programs. So let's hear from you. Tell us how it came about. UM. It was kind of a you know, just a genuine introduction, UH to some current students. At the time at Howard, I was producing a documentary with my production company, a media company, Unanimous UM, and we were we were kind of on the road a lot of different places UM doing screenings for the Doctor Menory UM, and we wanted to kind of bring it to a crescendo at UH, at a place that meant a lot to some of the people on my team, and Howard was was the pick. And so we went UH and did a screening there and had a panel Q and a discussion. The document is called a manual UM, and we we we went into campus UM and I did the screening, invited a bunch of students, faculty staff, UM, and I actually got to be there when we were playing the Wizards UM. I think the day after. And so right after the screening and the Q and a UH, some students came down to the front and they were really excited about kind of talking about some ideas that they had, what they were interested in. There's ways to you know, create some business opportunities or some internships and things like that. So I kind of went down the road talking to each student. UM had shoe designers, we had tech guys and girls, we had you know, athletes, UM. And I got to Otis fergus in the fourth who was talking and about you know, he was a golfer, he loved to play. He's on the club team at Howard and he was trying to figure out a way to bring the Division one program back. I can't remember exactly how many years it was since it was gone, but that was his mission. And obviously he was talking golf and he's talking Howard. I kind of sparked my interest. So I took that nugget, took his number and email down, and about a month or two later, I said, hey, I got an idea and some energy around. We're actually making this reality. And the next thing, you know, UM, we got uh put you know, some resources in investment down. We're working towards an endowment now so that we can create scholarships and perpetuity for for these student athletes on the men's and women's side, and um, you know, introducing golf to uh uh you know, to two new people in terms of you know, opportunity that one creates, you know, scholarships, like you said, but you know, the goal is to get somebody on the p G A or the LPGA Tour eventually and get some more representation out there. So that's the that's the goal for you, Stef. I just wonder when you look at what this means to the university, what this means to the students who are gonna have an opportunity now to participate on this team. What does that mean to you? To see how important that is to them and how big that is to them, I mean a huge I grew up playing playing the game. My dad introduced it to me, um and obviously everybody knows if it's a basketball player. And I know how much sports teaches you about uh, you know, character and work ethic and discipline and um working you know, and team environments. Golf has taught me so much about myself as well, and it's been a huge part of um, you know, introducing me to different people, different people who walk to different walks of life. And my whole goal, you know, when I came in into to this level was the final way to grow not on the game of basketball, but the game of golf in a very authentic way that I feel like I could lend a voice to um and to kind of reach back into the to the grass roots level to introduce the game um, you know, the people that they might not really know anything about it, um, but have the talent, you know, the interest and could develop a passion and skill set to do it at at the at the you know, elementary high school level and potentially at the college and professional level. And so for for me oneed's to kind of it to its education. It's a huge opportunity to have like a north star of you know, golf can open up so many doors. Um, we just need access. We just need um, you know, that support and like a sense of resources that can kind of you know, build in the gap for where a lot of kids get left. And for me, that means that means so much to to have you know, Howard and they're a decked out in the gear that's super talented. We have an amazing coach saying carrier, who's doing uh leading, you know, leading the charge and and that's the vision and then we can work our way back to say how can we get more kids into the into these type of opportunities. Steph Thomas gonna talk to you about coaching and said, but I want to ask you said something you said, golf taught to you so much about yourself. What did it teach you? Uh? Patients, discipline, UM, perseverance. I think it's one of those games that you can never master. As much as I have time, as I put into the game of basketball and perfecting my craft. Um, you know, there are certain things that you can't control. And when you get on the golf course, it's just you and what's going on between the ears. I mean there's that competitive environment as well when you play with other people, but it's still just you and your own thoughts and your own mentality. Is you have to master um and for me, that's a that's a never ending journey. And so you know, UM, I felt like it's uh it gave me, you know, want something to look forward to, and uh, I could get my competitive juices flowing in a different type of atmosphere and that Uh, that's helped me in a lot of different areas, not just on the basketball court, but um, just being able to you know, meet different people and be able to talk to him the level to because golf is kind of like that, that that unifier. Um, you know, people from all walks of life love to play. And uh, it's kind of gone from there. You mentioned Steph Kurage per year earlier. I talked to him earlier and he couldn't send your praises enough. He said, not only it's not one of those partnerships where it's just you're right to checking that said, he said, you've been very hands on, you've been in communication. If you go to the website, you see the team, they're decked out in all the sc thirty years. So he said, that's that's part of it, is looking professional. So he he was thankful that the team have outfits to look that way because that's part of it. He also said that the relationship has been good, that it's been something that's been continuous and ongoing. So on it from your side, how has the relationship been and how do you see it progressing? From here? It's been great so far. It's everything you just said, and um, you know, just the excitement and the awareness of how this golf program can hopefully create against this this the scholarship aspect of great education. But at the HBC level obviously Howard, um you know first and foremost in this respect, but across the HBCU kind of pipeline that this can be a template for um other you know, universities stepping up UM in this respect and kind of um pouring into their golf programs which might be kind of on the back burning a lot of people's you know, priority lists. And so you know, Sam's done unbelieve the job with his unbelief his his track record has experienced a lot of different colleges bringing it to Howard trying to create a first class program that um, you know, takes the service of what you know a student athlete and a golfer can can expect at this level, UM and not missing any detail in there. And so we kind of started with h like you said, the gear, the Curry brand gear, UM, you know, decked them out and that you make them feel special like they should. From Callaway's perspective, we were able to have a custom fitting session, which you know most of those Uh, student athletes hadn't had that experience, and so um, you think about the difference in terms of opportunity, you know, from from you know kids at four or five six years old to eighteen nineteen going into the freshman of college, they had never experienced that. And it's a huge difference maker, um, in terms of confidence and preparedness for that next level. So we've created a lot of energy around that. Now there's so many people calling like how can I get involved? Um, you know, what can we do to help up left the program? You saw at the match that we had with myself, Charles Barkley, UH, Peyton Manning and and Phil Milkleson. You know we all were raising money for for HBCUs across the board. Um, and that was you know, putting putting you know, HP was on the map. And and it's just more so like creating that that ecosystem of everybody wanting to pour in and and and finding out how they can actually you know, make an impact. And so UM, it's been awesome. I've heard nothing but great things about the you know how the kids have have experienced it so far, and we're just getting started. This is literally the first year so um, it's gonna get better. One thing that coach mentioned also was in seeing the comment throat between both of you guys, is the foundation that can get the program thriving in and reach those longer term big picture goals is winning. So from your side, he said, if you win, I can be the start to get the attention and then have the step since winning to be able to then grow. Did you see it the same way, No doubt. Um, Now, the first you have to prove that this is serious, this is a priority. I think we started to do that. And to your point, we want to be competitive. We want to be, you know, a top tier destination, you know, for the most talented golfers coming out of high school. And uh, I really feel like that's not a pipe dream, that that's a true reality in terms of kind of flipping the the collegiate golf landscape on its head a little bit. And so I love that, man, I love you very much. There's a even this past summer in the basketball where there's some five star recruits that were thinking, Hey, maybe HPCs might be the way to go. They're gonna find me wherever I'm at, the same thing can happen in golf and uh, and you kind of can look at just how amazing Howard is in terms of how they you know, uplift their students and um, you know, create this this level of excellence that can be poured in as well in terms of, you know, what our expectations are as a program, and um, we obviously have an amazing coach that's been some other you know, uh, the top tier programs. I know where it takes to win at that level. So that's the that's the goal. We ain't just doing this yet just to be there being competitive, being successful U titles. I love that. I love that, Steph. We're gonna get to those elite players in a minute, but first I want to ask you. We We've had Larry Fitzgerald on the show and Larry is one of those people like you who is golf with President Obama. And Larry told us the President Obama is a sneaky trash talker. Good, so I wanted to ask you rate his trash talking and tell us a story about one of his best trash talking sessions. He he's sneaky because you know his uh, his cadence with his words, right, He's amazing storyteller, and so UH he doesn't switch it up with he's gonna golf for us. It's kind of that cool mellow he draws you in and UH, you know, his game is is decent enough that he's not embarrassing himself out there on the court because he's not. He's gonna manage his way around the course. I think the first time we played him, you know, we were just getting to know each other and and I was just getting comfortable around uh President Obama, and I think he he wanted to kind of break the ice a little bit because I was. I was riding in his car with him, and UM I talked to UH. I guess Michelle had UH had reached out to him before the round, and UH told him to give me a message that if I wanted to talk trash about President Obama, that I should go straight for the Ears. I think it was straight for the years. Just trashed the big ears NonStop, and that's the one that could get under the skin a little bit. And so he was humble enough to pass that on to me, knowing that it was gonna trust. He was giving me some ammos, so that might speak to his confidence A trash circles, so he didn't give me material knowing that he had some other stuff in the bag. So that that that says allowed to go? Did you go for it? I waited to the back now though I didn't want to get anyone to get kicked off the course too quick. By the way, who won? So we played twice? Uh. The first time I was on his team and we were playing against my dad and ray Allen. My dad and Ray Allen, they won, um. And the second time I was against him and we got the dub. So uh. It's always fun playing with him no matter where we're at. And obviously he's got a little bit more free time now, so hopefully we can keep it going. I'm curious, stef if you could play golf with one person one round living or did who would that one person be? Tiger? For sure? Um, it's just obviously kind of hero mind growing up and to know like all he's been through over the course of his career and you know, all the highs and lows and all that. I feel like that would be an amazing four or five hours out there to kind of hear his story from his from his Uh, his lens is live, you know, content out there now about him and around him. But I love to hear from his words so um and to see you know, him hit amazing golf shots all day. But that would be that would be my guy. I'm actually surprised you guys having linked up now we've we've talked a couple of times. Uh. He actually called me out the blue back in during our playoff run, UH in the second round against UH who were playing Memphis, and uh we were down to one and my pr director for the Warriors where I was leaving practice in between games three and four, and uh, I just want my first MVP. So that was kind of a talking point. But we were down in the series and he said, Hey, if this Florida number calls you, you might want to answer it. And I was like, all right. So he called me about an hour later, and uh it was the biggest pet talk of all time, just out of the blue. He uh, he he spoke some life into our our comeback, um there in that round and he told me, I said, I'm ready for it. I know we're gonna get it done. And he dropped he dropped the mic at the end of the call. He's like, prove it and then just hung up. Don't get no better than that, No better than that. He let the fire on him, for sure. Man, one of kind of switch gears a little bit. We talked a lot on the show about player activism and you've been one of the voices in the NBA that's been on the forefront of that. But I noticed on on February three, you sent out a tweet from the l A Times. It was a headline that read, note league was more essential to the social justice movement in the w n B A. So I'm interested from your perspective, as a father of two daughters, as a player in the NBA that has a voice and a platform, how much influence of what they're doing impacts you and what you do a lot. I mean, it seems they're very proactive and using their voice and being collective and unified across all the different teams, and um it just being very very bold and courageous about, you know, speaking on what they believe, taking a stand on things no matter what the consequences might be. And you know, I feel like they're a model across the board for what it means for athletes to be outspoken, to use their platforms to be selfless in that respect, UM, and to be consistent with it. So that for me is was worth the shout out and more, UM, you know, based only not just last year, but we go you know, years and years back about equal pay. Um. Yeah, conversations and debates on that and in that topic, and then you know, leading into social justice and things that happened over the last eighteen months. So, like you said, as as a as a father of an eight and five year old girl who aren't really interested in basketball as of yet, but UM have models to look up to in terms of strong, courageous women that UM don't fit in a certain lane. They speak on what they believe, and I think it makes a huge impact across the board for sure. That's a beautiful thing. You know what's interesting stuff is we've seen athletes become more vocal after Cap took a me in twenty sixteen, even from a warrior's standpoint. I mean, I know that you were always socially conscious, but even among warriors and yourself, like, we started to hear more, hear you guys speak about things more. I'm wondering how much did that moment and what he did awakened something inside you and other athletes. I think it was huge UM and obviously how polarizing it was in terms of what his message was in that moment and not being you know, misconstrued um or taken away from him and and kind of reconfigure the other narratives and things like that. That was what it kind of was the resolutions like you can you can control only so much in that respect, but you have to stay true to what you believe in who you are and just act on it. Um. You know, all the greatest ideas and the greatest conversations, so let's just action behind it. Then it's kind of a move point. And so UM that was that was a huge message. And you can kind of even go back to the generations of path like you said, is um been a huge movement of player activism and and and I think the biggest thing is just being authentic to what you actually believe. There's a temptation to want to poke your head and your nose into every single conversation and argument, and that's okay if you're well versed and knowledgeable about and understand you know, um, you know what you're trying to impact or influence UM and EPT you know, particular conversations. And for me, that's the rule of thumb. You know, if you're knowledge about it, if you have a network of people that you can tap into to ask the right questions to get the right information. UM. You know, if for me, being able to know that there's people on the ground and many a community across the country that are doing this the work, especially in social justice and and UH inequality that they've been doing that that that that's the life's blood work, then we can uplift those you know, leaders and organizations and you know, lend awareness and resources financially, UM man power whatever it is, UM, we can influence it that way as well. UM, even up to policy issues Capitol Hill and all that type of stuff. So there's a lot of different ways to do it. But being knowledgeable about not just saying stuff to say it, UM, is you and someone else that that's knowledgeable and vocal is your coach Steve kurt so interested from your perspective, Uh, what kind of conversations do you guys all that do you have talking about social issues? Because he's thought known to be a thoughtful guy far outside of basketball, and so what is it like to play for a coach who is supportive of his players being vocal and having those interests to want to get involved in. And then what kind of conversations do you two have about what's happening in the world. I mean a lot. I think the biggest thing is just as a perspective on the daily that we're blessed to play this game at the highest level and get to be paid handsomely to put the ball in the basket. And Um, you know, with that comes a sense of responsibility, UM, speaking your truth and speaking out for those that can't you speak for themselves, and using our platform. And he does foster some conversations or a lot of conversations within our team, you know, their film sessions during random meeting throughout the year, that we kind of break down issues that might be happening. Or again, it's the perspective that we're not in a we're in a bubble in our own world, but we're not. We're still connected to you know, our brother says left and right, and so for us to be able to not loose sight of that UM is huge. And obviously him the doc rivers Gregg Popovich, Um, you know coaches across the board, Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta who's running the I think the coaches Union UM and doing a lot of work over this last year. You know, it's a it's a environment where we all try to empower each other and support each other in that UM and that means a lot to not feel like you're on an island by yourself UM, and that people understand that you know, you want to be helpful, but maybe there's a and find out what the right way to do it is. To that point step, do you think this is a moment or a movement, I mean, it's always been a movement. I think it's just more so that it's not just a movement within our own communities, that it's uh we call them the allies, right, and that there's you know, people on the other side that are listening and here and and holding themselves accountable to UH to how they can make change or and and help turn this into what I feel like is is different. I feel like it's more palable and that there's more conversation and more action. UM. Any time will tell. Hopefully in our lifetime we do see a better reality for our kids and and the future generations in that respect. But UM, yeah, I feel like we're doing what we can within our power to uh, to stay true toto that mission, um and to that that movement if you will. Um, But I don't, I don't know. I always choose hope at the end of the day. It's always that one piece where you can say, oh, things are never gonna change and we're just you know, spinning our our legs on the wheel. I always shoots hope that we are we are moving in the right direction no matter how long it takes. You know. Stuff, We've got a little over five minutes left because I know you've got a hard out here. Um, so let's have a little fun for a minute. Football wise, we look at Tom Brady ten super Bowls, forty three years old this year, playing tremendous, talks about maybe even playing until he's fifty. You're about a decade younger than Tom Brady. How long can you see yourself playing. It's a great question. I mean it's different sports, different positions. Man. My Pops, My Pops is always the bromter for me. He played sixteen years until he's thirty eight, and I got to see how his body changed over the years, especially it was last six and all the work that went into getting ready for a season. I'm aboudby thirty three next month, I feel really really good, fresh, able to still do everything I want to do on the court. So if I could get to like pushing forty with it and still be impactful on the court, I feel like that's a women basketball? Is that straight up and down. You can't hide anywhere when you're out there. Um, maybe a little different convers station, but to Toma's point, just getting your body where you go out on your own terms is is? Uh? Is the goal however long or however many years you know that is. So that's the get pushing fort It would be amazing and a couple more couple more championships in there too, I bet it up. That's absolutely all right. So UH football still, so you're a big Panthers fans, So I'm curious, though you've been in the bay for a minute, why are you not a Forting Understan At this point, I just can't, I can't do it. I just come on, is it the colors? What is it's just growing up going to Bank of America Stadium watching uh Jake Delane and Steve Smith and uh Sim Mohammed, Tim Biakpatuca and go down the list of all my my favorite Panthers. I just can't. I can't Sam Mills, Thomas Davis, I can't go. I can't just I can't let that go. And I can't be a to two team type of guy. I'll root for him, I'll go to the game. I'll be Bay Area pride when they win. But uh, when the Panthers come out to the Bay you know what side of the stadium I'm gonna be on. Are speaking of favorite favorite NFL player to watch? And why right now? Uh? My homes for sure. Just see a lot of myself and him, and obviously there's been a lot of comparisons. Just that creativity. You can't blink or you miss something something special, And uh, I just love his his confidence you when he knows at any point he can do something special. He's always, you know, got options. He's got a way to make a play using his feed or his on side ar past, whatever it is. Um, he's surrounded by some weapons and he knows how to use them. So it's uh, that's that's that's that guy's he's special. He's generational talent obviously, so love watching Stephan. When we talk about players such as yourself, My Homes, Brady, whoever, Fitzgerald, we're talking about greatness. Is there a common thread through all of you great players that maybe we on the outside don't see or don't know. I think just the common knowledge of how hard or how much hard work it takes to get to that level and sustain it, and the pressures that you feel on a daily to kind of keep doubling down on that. UM. Let's say we are our own up worst en me with our own expectations at times, and there's nothing anybody that can can say about you or who about how you played or who you are. We are biggest critics and so UM the work that goes into it and the sacrifice that you have to make to be at that level. UM, I think we we it's kind of an unspoken understanding and our appreciation for for what that means. UM, because there's a lot of ways that people have fallen off, you know, And the point about it is, when we were kids, I'm I wasn't never the most talented guy, and there's always people that we're more developed, you know, better shooters whatever, But I kept working at it, and you know the difference of opportunity there. Um, it's kind of manifests itself when you get to this level and you kind of recognize that. And in those type of people, Thomas has got a fun one year from music. And then I'll wrap it up by full circle. Jim's out of hip hop guys, because this is on me all right. So versus who won the battle e forty versus too short? I know who? I think one? Well, they were making that Joe little John one right because all the beat now court side forty of court side forty for me, he definitely won. And I think he won one because I've never seen anybody drinks so much and still maintained on the verse at A lot of brown liquor, was consumed a lot of a lot of his own liquor to you got it own labels, so you gotta check those out. And then then the antics and the mannerisms and in the dance, and I actually had to. I felt so inspired I had to go dress up like him and uh and uh and pull out some of the footwork. So definitely, okay, let me bring this full circle because I know, you gotta run. How do we graduates of HBCU and that family get elite athletes such as yourself to start passing on the Davidson's and the U C L A s and the Kentucky's and signing up for the Howards, the A and T S, the Hamptons and others. I mean, we're all we're all doing it, I guess in terms of continue use your platform to speak on the great things that are happening, speaking about your experiences there. Obviously I didn't go to Howard or an h b c U, but if um, you know, a cross paths with so many people that speak so highly of their experience that what has made them successful in in in life and um, for us, it's just about continuing to get that word out that this is a real opportunity, a real life changing, uh you know type of situation, and the decision um that it's only going to continue to get better. So I think that that wave is started on the national you know level, um, from the networks that might not uh that weren't talking about hbc S before. So it's gonna continue to double down on that. I'm gonna continue the way to flag from Afar and um, yeah, well when you see when you see uh, the Bison golf team on on Golf Channel chasing the national chaporship, that's gonna be it right there. I love that. Man. Well, look, I want to say on behalf of Thomas on, behalf of my co host Steve Wish, the Howard family, we want to say thank you, do you follow you down for the golf program for the basketball team in terms of the curryates being supplied to them. And I also want to thank you and your wife for your eat Learned play foundation for all the work that you're doing there. So much respect, much props, and and we appreciate you being on the huddle and flow. Man, I appreciate you guys so much. Uh was as age you you know, you know it's not like it, Steve, what an impressive guy. You know. Look, I grew up in the Bay Area. I used to sit in those five dollar seats back in the day up in the Oakland Coliseum arena and watch Joe Barry Carroll and the Warriors and whatnot. So you know, I'm not hiding my my fendom here as as it relates to the Golden State Warriors. But you know, Steph makes it easy to be a fan of not only the team, but him and his family in terms of all the work that they do in the community, trying to make situations better, in him using his platform to try and make positive change in this country. And and you know, for our listeners, you and I both admitted we heard that he was going to sponsor this Howard University golf team and resurrect that program after more than two decades of being dormant. We had to bring him in, you know, And and we had to have him uh with us and show some love to him and let him know that that we consider him an honorary a bice and so um. It was just it was just an enjoyable time for me. I could have talked to him all night. And I love the mad respect for guys like him and Chris Paul and all of these players who don't who didn't attend HBCUs, who are putting so much into HBC programs. Because you know, we talked about Steph sponsoring a golf program. What's the big deal with that? Yes, okay, great, It's an extracurricular activity for those student athletes up at Howard, but also when it gives in other world scholarships for those kids, scholarship actually curricular. But Jim, as you know, because you're a big golfer, there's a whole lot of deals to get broken on the golf course. So even have these guys, right, so even these guys don't hit the PGA Tour, they they they are now gonna be able to depostle, put themselves in position to make the proper connections and just and just all love some of Go ahead, huh, Can I tell this quick story, real quick? I was not a golfer, hadn't played obviously, I didn't have time, didn't have money at one point to play. I'm covering the NBA. I'm sitting baseline one day next to the legendary Jim Hill as you know, the broadcaster up up in l A. And Jim says to me, do you play golf? And I said, no, I don't. He said you need to take up the sport. And I said why. He said, because that's where deals get done, that's where you have access to players. And then he starts telling me about guys he's been on the course with, from Marcus Allen on down and it was at that point I knew I've got to take this sport up, and I did, and now I love it for other reasons. But you're absolutely right. If you go to an NFL player, UH, NBA Baseball, whatever, and say hey, let's play around, they are down to go out on the golf course. So it's a secret for young reporters out there. UM, take it up all right, well, Jim, as as we get out of here. UM, this has been an absolutely incredible run of of sorrow and loss for us personally, for those in the sports world. Um. And as we just learned overnight on Monday, Marty Schottenheimer, someone you're close with you finally lost his battle to Alzheimer's. We knew this was coming when they moved him into hospice the past couple of days ago. But you were close to him. You've been on the golf course with him many times. UM. I would just love for you to say some some kind words about your friend. Oh, Mark, I don't know that that I have the words. I think about Marty and how you always used to tell us he was an English major and he would command a room with his presence and his voice. The thing I remember about Marty most is you know, you hear these stories about him from the far from Afar, him being a hard ass, a control freak, all those kind of things, and I remember the Chargers hired him as head coach, and at that time, my relationship with the organization wasn't necessarily the greatest because I was a beat writer and I was writing things that maybe they didn't want to see her here, and so I right away my antendant was up with Marty, and I really I wasn't sure if he was someone to be trusted or not. And long story short, we had an incident where I felt like he had deceived me a little bit, and he and I had our coming to Jesus moment where we laid out what our expectations were of each other. And without going into specifics, at the end of that, all I know is that every time I called him was something controversial that I had found out and I knew to be true. He never once lied to me, And you know, as a beat writer, that's all you can ask for um out of anyone associated with an organization. You don't have to give me information, but just don't lie to me. And Marty was not that guy. And we had conversations about family, about football, um, and he and it at times about his fate. And I can say to you, I'm gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss him a lot. Um. You know, I spend time with his family down in North Carolina at their home. He and his lovely wife Pat who was like the matriarch of all NFL wives. And you know his son Brian Well uh and his daughter Kristen. Just he's got four grandkids he's survived by and UM, I just hope he's at peace. Jim Well said, the NFL loses another legend, and just quickly as we sign off, Um, we lost a dear one at NFL Networking, NFL Media and Chris Westling just a wonderful man, a brother to all of us. He had battled cancer for a long time and fought like nobody, a teen fight. I'm glad that he and his wife Lakeisha were able to have their son Link so his legacy will live on. Um. This is a brutal blow. And we've lost a lot. You know, we lost Vaughan McClure from ESPN, We've lost Saku Smith from NBA TV, Marty Chris Westling and Jim the one that you know, none is greater than the other. But losing Pedro Gomez, a brother of ours from ESPN, someone I worked with in Miami, someone who we've probably both had dinner with a million times. Um. The ultimate reminder to just please love everybody up and be kind to everyone because this this, this is a fleeting existence existence. Um. Well, hopefully you can leave a lot of positive memories because we're all hurting pretty badly right now, no question. Let me let me tell you a quick story about Pedro. When I came to San Diego, had never been here before I came as a high school writer, Pedro was already here covering one of our high school zones. Didn't know him from Adam and Pedro says, the media have a place to staying. He said, no, I'm at the hotel. He says, why don't you stay at my place? I didn't know me from anyone. I'm a stranger. And he said, why don't you stay at my place until you find a place? And I did. And that's the kind of guy that Pedro was. Man opened up his heart and his arms to everyone. And I'm just devastating you know, I told my wife about it. She knew him. Um. He was just just a loving man, you know. So, man, we've lost so many people. Just just just gut it. Yeah, just gut it. Well, Jim, we gotta go ahead and button this episode up. Um. So again, I love every people, everybody, Um, Jim, you take you take his home. It's a great podcast. Um. And and just really appreciate our guy Thomas Warren again stepping in and just doing a great job. So Jim, want you go ahead and bring his home. Yeah. Once again, we thank you for subscribing to the Postcast podcast. We thank you for listening. Please continue to leave your questions as to who you'd like to hear from, what you'd like us to discuss. In that way, we can continue to give you more of what you're funking for. This tuttle flow podcast brought you by into it the proud makers of Turbo Tax, Quick Books and Mint. I'm Steve White, Jimmy Trotter, and Thomas Warren. We are the Howard Mob, and we are out