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The same after a little while.

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I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Indianapolis Convention Center alongside my friend fresh off the road, fresh after off of hugging half of these general managers because you're friends with all of them, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic.

I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Indianapolis Convention Center alongside my friend fresh off the road, fresh after off of hugging half of these general managers because you're friends with all of them, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic.

That was so nice, you know what. I did appreciate, Greg, and it's great to be here with you. One general manager that we will get to in a moment actually had as good of a jacket game as you did.

That was so nice, you know what. I did appreciate, Greg, and it's great to be here with you. One general manager that we will get to in a moment actually had as good of a jacket game as you did.

Well, you're talking about James glads let's talk about it. I was able to meet this young man. You knew him already. He's going to be on the show. Young man, I mean, he is a young man to me. He's much younger than me, and he looks young even for his age.

Well, you're talking about James glads let's talk about it. I was able to meet this young man. You knew him already. He's going to be on the show. Young man, I mean, he is a young man to me. He's much younger than me, and he looks young even for his age.

How did we describe him?

How did we describe him?

Kind of like a beachy vibe, but with a little Patrick Bateman, you know, mixed in there.

Kind of like a beachy vibe, but with a little Patrick Bateman, you know, mixed in there.

It's a compliment in a good way, because I think that a lot of people are starting to learn about James.

It's a compliment in a good way, because I think that a lot of people are starting to learn about James.

He's a bit of a killer.

He's a bit of a killer.

Okay, So James Gladstone is the new general manager of the Jaguars.

Okay, So James Gladstone is the new general manager of the Jaguars.

He's joining the show today.

He's joining the show today.

John Spytek, the new general manager of the Raiders, talked about the quarterback situation there, talked about how my friend, my personal trainer, wants it fixed. And so those are two interviews we're going to get to later in the show. We tape some other interviews as well that we're going to be playing throughout the week. I'm really excited for everyone to listen to that. But I want to work backwards here. We actually started today's show, and this is the day. Just to set the scene, Tuesday at the NFL Scouting Combine now has evolved into the day where most general managers and coaches speak. Yes, there's still a couple stragglers who are going up late even as we're taping, but we got to do a show. About forty five of them spoke on Tuesday day. A handful we'll speak on Wednesday as well. So this show is partly going to be about what we learned from all the press conferences. And I decided before the day even started. I just wrote a number. The show is going to be called forty seven things we learned from these press conferences, and then worked backwards from there. So we just tried to learn forty seven things and then we stopped learning.

John Spytek, the new general manager of the Raiders, talked about the quarterback situation there, talked about how my friend, my personal trainer, wants it fixed. And so those are two interviews we're going to get to later in the show. We tape some other interviews as well that we're going to be playing throughout the week. I'm really excited for everyone to listen to that. But I want to work backwards here. We actually started today's show, and this is the day. Just to set the scene, Tuesday at the NFL Scouting Combine now has evolved into the day where most general managers and coaches speak. Yes, there's still a couple stragglers who are going up late even as we're taping, but we got to do a show. About forty five of them spoke on Tuesday day. A handful we'll speak on Wednesday as well. So this show is partly going to be about what we learned from all the press conferences. And I decided before the day even started. I just wrote a number. The show is going to be called forty seven things we learned from these press conferences, and then worked backwards from there. So we just tried to learn forty seven things and then we stopped learning.

Thirteen more digits than James Gladstone has years.

Thirteen more digits than James Gladstone has years.

There you go, uh and it worked, blows. It was kind of amazing. We almost naturally right got it down to forty seven. I had to make some editing choics we.

There you go, uh and it worked, blows. It was kind of amazing. We almost naturally right got it down to forty seven. I had to make some editing choics we.

The Google docs.

The Google docs.

It was basically right there. And I love this week.

It was basically right there. And I love this week.

Look.

Look.

I got to see one of the greatest of all time, Nicola Jokic, have his career high and assist second most ever for a center last night at the Pacers game.

I got to see one of the greatest of all time, Nicola Jokic, have his career high and assist second most ever for a center last night at the Pacers game.

You just walk like three blocks away.

You just walk like three blocks away.

There there's great NBA basketball for shockingly cheap prices. And then on my way home, Drew Rosenhaus, the super agent, just stops me and I got both earbuds in and my head down and a hat.

There there's great NBA basketball for shockingly cheap prices. And then on my way home, Drew Rosenhaus, the super agent, just stops me and I got both earbuds in and my head down and a hat.

Was it your famous hat? No, Greg has a hat that makes him look really famous, I.

Was it your famous hat? No, Greg has a hat that makes him look really famous, I.

Know, and he was Greg Greg and he and he's like, hey, great job with your your one oh one. You keep keep at it like you really know your stuff. I was like, Wow, thank you, Drew Rosenhouse, super agent.

Know, and he was Greg Greg and he and he's like, hey, great job with your your one oh one. You keep keep at it like you really know your stuff. I was like, Wow, thank you, Drew Rosenhouse, super agent.

Did you say thank you super Drew Rosenhouse, Comma super Agent.

Did you say thank you super Drew Rosenhouse, Comma super Agent.

I wish I had.

I wish I had.

I wish you would have. I think he would have loved that.

I wish you would have. I think he would have loved that.

I was so taken aback and was in the middle of like my Celtics podcast that I'm listening to that I was like, oh, thank you, thank you, and then I wish you know you think of what you should have said after the fact. I would have liked to hear among his climents, who did I think who did he think was too low? Because usually they're complaining about, oh you didn't have him too high, too low.

I was so taken aback and was in the middle of like my Celtics podcast that I'm listening to that I was like, oh, thank you, thank you, and then I wish you know you think of what you should have said after the fact. I would have liked to hear among his climents, who did I think who did he think was too low? Because usually they're complaining about, oh you didn't have him too high, too low.

I would have liked to hear his opinion.

I would have liked to hear his opinion.

But you know, I got to tell you though, he was clearly it was a drive by compliment, which means he was certainly not looking to engage in a deep conversation. Great, so I actually think it went perfectly because you really could have kept him lingering there, like way long longer than he planned, and then he'd be like, I'm not gonna compliment that guy next time. He's just gonna talk to me all day.

But you know, I got to tell you though, he was clearly it was a drive by compliment, which means he was certainly not looking to engage in a deep conversation. Great, so I actually think it went perfectly because you really could have kept him lingering there, like way long longer than he planned, and then he'd be like, I'm not gonna compliment that guy next time. He's just gonna talk to me all day.

Come on, maybe he wanted to talk. Yeah, that was whild I shouldn't have been surprised or ran into someone. It was outside of Saint Elmos, the famous steakhouse. I mean if you've been to Indianapolis for the Combined Ones, you've heard these stories before, and there is something pleasingly familiar about it all, including all these press conferences.

Come on, maybe he wanted to talk. Yeah, that was whild I shouldn't have been surprised or ran into someone. It was outside of Saint Elmos, the famous steakhouse. I mean if you've been to Indianapolis for the Combined Ones, you've heard these stories before, and there is something pleasingly familiar about it all, including all these press conferences.

Let's get to it.

Let's get to it.

Number one on our list, Yes, forty seven things we learned. I do think it was ultimately the most significant news of the day. Travis Kelcey is expected to return to the Kansas City Chiefs for the twenty twenty five season. Brett Veatch first broke the news at the podium, surprising, you don't usually get big news at the podium. He then later was on NFL Network, Let's take a list, and this is him with Tom Pellisera.

Number one on our list, Yes, forty seven things we learned. I do think it was ultimately the most significant news of the day. Travis Kelcey is expected to return to the Kansas City Chiefs for the twenty twenty five season. Brett Veatch first broke the news at the podium, surprising, you don't usually get big news at the podium. He then later was on NFL Network, Let's take a list, and this is him with Tom Pellisera.

It seems like we're gonna get good news on Travis Kelsey. Can we turn off the Twitter alerts? Can we put it the bad as he definitely playing in twenty twenty five?

It seems like we're gonna get good news on Travis Kelsey. Can we turn off the Twitter alerts? Can we put it the bad as he definitely playing in twenty twenty five?

I think so. I mean there's been a a lot of the you know, timeline and deadlines, and you know that's something that we as an organization haven't discussed, and we anticipate Travis being back, and if something changes, I'm sure NFL Network will be the first to break it, right, but.

I think so. I mean there's been a a lot of the you know, timeline and deadlines, and you know that's something that we as an organization haven't discussed, and we anticipate Travis being back, and if something changes, I'm sure NFL Network will be the first to break it, right, but.

I would hope. So, yeah, you can help with that if you want.

I would hope. So, yeah, you can help with that if you want.

No, I think you know, we're excited to have Travis back, and that's how we're operating this offseason and kind of go from there.

No, I think you know, we're excited to have Travis back, and that's how we're operating this offseason and kind of go from there.

Okay, So I'm surprised I didn't.

Okay, So I'm surprised I didn't.

I didn't think we were going to get to watch Travis Kelsey play football again. It's interesting, I think from a breadth beach perspective, because that's seventeen million dollars lesson cap space you have to work with. They obviously want Travis Kelcey back, but there would have been positives and negatives to both sides.

I didn't think we were going to get to watch Travis Kelsey play football again. It's interesting, I think from a breadth beach perspective, because that's seventeen million dollars lesson cap space you have to work with. They obviously want Travis Kelcey back, but there would have been positives and negatives to both sides.

I'm just saying, I feel like he's made them a lot of money actually recently, So I feel like, in a roundabout way, he has helped make them a lot of money recently. So I feel like that's that's a small potatoes thing to for the GM to be worried about. They can manage it. They'll be fine. The thing that's interesting you talk to players about this near the end of their career, and then those to ponder potential retirement or even taking a break or taking a longer runway to think about things.

I'm just saying, I feel like he's made them a lot of money actually recently, So I feel like, in a roundabout way, he has helped make them a lot of money recently. So I feel like that's that's a small potatoes thing to for the GM to be worried about. They can manage it. They'll be fine. The thing that's interesting you talk to players about this near the end of their career, and then those to ponder potential retirement or even taking a break or taking a longer runway to think about things.

It is.

It is.

It was a quick decision because there was a deadline on it. But it also is interesting he didn't go out. If he went out this year, it would have been I think a sour taste in his mouth because of the way he finished the season, because of the way the Chiefs finished the season. You rarely get the shiny fairy tale ending, but I kind of think this man does believe in fairy tales. I mean, look at his life.

It was a quick decision because there was a deadline on it. But it also is interesting he didn't go out. If he went out this year, it would have been I think a sour taste in his mouth because of the way he finished the season, because of the way the Chiefs finished the season. You rarely get the shiny fairy tale ending, but I kind of think this man does believe in fairy tales. I mean, look at his life.

That is absolutely true. This is a man who just expects great things to.

That is absolutely true. This is a man who just expects great things to.

Happen, manifests and incredible.

Happen, manifests and incredible.

He's made it all happen. Yeah, sometimes it's not a fairy tale ending. We'll have more on another tight end in just the little bit. Number two on our list, we gotta got. Terry Fonteau is at the podium and quickly and aggressively said that their plan remains the same. Michael Pennox is their starting quarterback, Kirk Cousins is their backup quarterback, and Kirk Cousins is going to remain with the Falcons for the foreseeable future.

He's made it all happen. Yeah, sometimes it's not a fairy tale ending. We'll have more on another tight end in just the little bit. Number two on our list, we gotta got. Terry Fonteau is at the podium and quickly and aggressively said that their plan remains the same. Michael Pennox is their starting quarterback, Kirk Cousins is their backup quarterback, and Kirk Cousins is going to remain with the Falcons for the foreseeable future.

Do you buy it?

Do you buy it?

I buy it. I'm not surprised. I was texting with someone over there the other day about Michael Pennix and just the glowy nature of the conversation and the way that he throws the ball, the way that they see him throw the ball in the reps that we don't see on the outside in practice. He obviously popped. I'm not surprised when when he did get playing time, I am not surprised.

I buy it. I'm not surprised. I was texting with someone over there the other day about Michael Pennix and just the glowy nature of the conversation and the way that he throws the ball, the way that they see him throw the ball in the reps that we don't see on the outside in practice. He obviously popped. I'm not surprised when when he did get playing time, I am not surprised.

But do you buy that kirk Cousins is going to be on the team. I don't.

But do you buy that kirk Cousins is going to be on the team. I don't.

Oh that part, no, I don't buy. I don't buy that. But the Penix thing is that's real love right there. But the rest of it, I mean, I don't know. I think that's what you say when you're trying to drive up a trade price.

Oh that part, no, I don't buy. I don't buy that. But the Penix thing is that's real love right there. But the rest of it, I mean, I don't know. I think that's what you say when you're trying to drive up a trade price.

I agree, this is lying season in the NFL.

I agree, this is lying season in the NFL.

Really, I would never lie to you again, it's.

Really, I would never lie to you again, it's.

Regular season, but the draft in general, especially pre pre free agency, is uh, you know, line season. Fat Noah also said he was totally surprised that kirk Cousins had an injury. The first they learned of it, he indicated, was when kirk Cousins talked to the media. So it does feel like they're covering themselves.

Regular season, but the draft in general, especially pre pre free agency, is uh, you know, line season. Fat Noah also said he was totally surprised that kirk Cousins had an injury. The first they learned of it, he indicated, was when kirk Cousins talked to the media. So it does feel like they're covering themselves.

I do love that. It's like it's a way of saying, no, there's no way, because of course I would know about this, so there's no way that was anything other than hedging.

I do love that. It's like it's a way of saying, no, there's no way, because of course I would know about this, so there's no way that was anything other than hedging.

If anything, that's kind of making his guy, Kirk Cousins, looks bad. I still believe strongly that he will be traded. And I think what that statement is to the rest of the league, we are not cutting him.

If anything, that's kind of making his guy, Kirk Cousins, looks bad. I still believe strongly that he will be traded. And I think what that statement is to the rest of the league, we are not cutting him.

You have to give us something.

You have to give us something.

And if the best we can do for kirk Cousins is that we're gonna pay part of his salary and get a fifth round pick, then that's that's better than nothing, and that's what we're aiming for. Maybe he's aiming for hire. We'll see. I don't I do not buy that one. All right, Points three through six. We're from Omar Khan, the Steelers GM. He has said ownership said it, and now he said it. They were happy with russ Anfields and they specifically say they've talked to both representatives and they want either one to come back.

And if the best we can do for kirk Cousins is that we're gonna pay part of his salary and get a fifth round pick, then that's that's better than nothing, and that's what we're aiming for. Maybe he's aiming for hire. We'll see. I don't I do not buy that one. All right, Points three through six. We're from Omar Khan, the Steelers GM. He has said ownership said it, and now he said it. They were happy with russ Anfields and they specifically say they've talked to both representatives and they want either one to come back.

Very unique. I I don't.

Very unique. I I don't.

Remember a free agency quarterback situation quite like that where they're openly saying we don't want both of them back, we do want one of them back.

Remember a free agency quarterback situation quite like that where they're openly saying we don't want both of them back, we do want one of them back.

And he's almost pressed, you know, leveraging the agent.

And he's almost pressed, you know, leveraging the agent.

You guys pick, That's basically what it is.

You guys pick, That's basically what it is.

It's like you guys pick about who's gonna take less.

It's like you guys pick about who's gonna take less.

Money, pick who's gonna yeah, who's who's taking this job? And I just it's fascinating too.

Money, pick who's gonna yeah, who's who's taking this job? And I just it's fascinating too.

You must have a favorite, though they have to.

You must have a favorite, though they have to.

It is lying season.

It is lying season.

They did play Russell Wilson most of the year, so that you would think that would be him, But long term Fields makes more sense.

They did play Russell Wilson most of the year, so that you would think that would be him, But long term Fields makes more sense.

It is interesting. It's it to me very overtway to drive the ultimate price down. But I do think it's funny where he's basically like, decide.

It is interesting. It's it to me very overtway to drive the ultimate price down. But I do think it's funny where he's basically like, decide.

Amongst yourself, I know, and they it's like so funny to me.

Amongst yourself, I know, and they it's like so funny to me.

He also, like a lot of the gms that spoke today, said look, they want multiple ways to attack the position. I think they'll draft someone to whether whether it's early or not, we'll see, I said points three through six.

He also, like a lot of the gms that spoke today, said look, they want multiple ways to attack the position. I think they'll draft someone to whether whether it's early or not, we'll see, I said points three through six.

He said a few things. They want to get a deal done with TJ. Watt.

He said a few things. They want to get a deal done with TJ. Watt.

He's not going to be a guy that's on the trade blocket. He was pretty strong saying we want Pickens. We want George Pickens to be great. We want him to be great here. Yeah, we expect him to be here. My friend Bill Barnwell threw him out as a potential trade candidate. I actually do kind of believe con here because I don't think the market would be worth getting rid of a guy that's that talented. And then he also used the term fake news in an answer to a question about Matthew Stafford. We could have a little bit of your Stafford intel at this point, why not?

He's not going to be a guy that's on the trade blocket. He was pretty strong saying we want Pickens. We want George Pickens to be great. We want him to be great here. Yeah, we expect him to be here. My friend Bill Barnwell threw him out as a potential trade candidate. I actually do kind of believe con here because I don't think the market would be worth getting rid of a guy that's that talented. And then he also used the term fake news in an answer to a question about Matthew Stafford. We could have a little bit of your Stafford intel at this point, why not?

Yeah, I mean those front offices, both of them have a great relationship and they are in near constant communication throughout the course of the year. And obviously you can't be right now, but during the season they were on the phone with the Steelers talking about what it would look like for a Cooper Cup situation in true so I have to imagine other people came up at that time as well. But it is interesting, like I just think Matthew statt Or he's a bullet point. So we're not going to get to it quite yet, but he's gonna come up on a few teams.

Yeah, I mean those front offices, both of them have a great relationship and they are in near constant communication throughout the course of the year. And obviously you can't be right now, but during the season they were on the phone with the Steelers talking about what it would look like for a Cooper Cup situation in true so I have to imagine other people came up at that time as well. But it is interesting, like I just think Matthew statt Or he's a bullet point. So we're not going to get to it quite yet, but he's gonna come up on a few teams.

That you have listened to give it to me now.

That you have listened to give it to me now.

It's just it's been so fluid. So I reported earlier this week that you know, the Rams gave his agent, Jimmy Sexton, permission to talk to other teams about his contract terms. Obviously that serves a lot of purposes that is a fact check. Is his market really what he thinks it is and the agent thinks it is.

It's just it's been so fluid. So I reported earlier this week that you know, the Rams gave his agent, Jimmy Sexton, permission to talk to other teams about his contract terms. Obviously that serves a lot of purposes that is a fact check. Is his market really what he thinks it is and the agent thinks it is.

Or is it more aligned to what the rams think it is.

Or is it more aligned to what the rams think it is.

By which is lower because there is a discrepancy between the two numbers. It's this multiple truth situation that something has to give where they I fully believe that both sides want to get a deal done.

By which is lower because there is a discrepancy between the two numbers. It's this multiple truth situation that something has to give where they I fully believe that both sides want to get a deal done.

I don't know that it will get done right.

I don't know that it will get done right.

We talked with Tom Pelisarah really at length about this on Monday show Losing Track of the Days that happens in Indianapolis, and he talked about there's only a couple of places that really are fits and what I picked up from Omar Khan the way he said fake news that really was an answer to me, and what Tom, who's connected sitting. I don't know if the Steelers are a fit for Matthew staffort to me, that's a team I'm not going to cross off, but I would be very surprised.

We talked with Tom Pelisarah really at length about this on Monday show Losing Track of the Days that happens in Indianapolis, and he talked about there's only a couple of places that really are fits and what I picked up from Omar Khan the way he said fake news that really was an answer to me, and what Tom, who's connected sitting. I don't know if the Steelers are a fit for Matthew staffort to me, that's a team I'm not going to cross off, but I would be very surprised.

I do think, especially with Pickens to the conversation about Pickens and wanting to develop and mature a little bit, I do think Cooper cup might be in the conversation.

I do think, especially with Pickens to the conversation about Pickens and wanting to develop and mature a little bit, I do think Cooper cup might be in the conversation.

Yes, I think that could make sense.

Yes, I think that could make sense.

They are a team that makes a lot of sense, and con did say they need to improve their wide receiver position. He also said he would do the Mike Williams and Preston Smith trades.

They are a team that makes a lot of sense, and con did say they need to improve their wide receiver position. He also said he would do the Mike Williams and Preston Smith trades.

Again he doesn't regret them. Well you should?

Again he doesn't regret them. Well you should?

Is that fake news? Maybe?

Is that fake news? Maybe?

Yeah, I would call.

Yeah, I would call.

Mike Williams, you want to He won a game and he was worth a shot, and actually for the right price, maybe you might even return there, get.

Mike Williams, you want to He won a game and he was worth a shot, and actually for the right price, maybe you might even return there, get.

Them one more game than the other.

Them one more game than the other.

Other words, if you literally just cut and you gave up, you didn't give up much form. So I guess maybe he was saying it was worth a shot. Didn't work out all right. Points seven through ten are all by our guy, Joe Shane Shane. He needs a quarterback in both the draft and free agency. He pointed out multiple times, our only quarterback is Tommy DeVito. We need to attack this in multiple ways, and he deferred to the Rams when asked specifically about Matthew Stafford. But in the side session with you know beat reporters they're reporting from that was he mentioned multiple times like we are going to be aggressive, yes, and again we're back to our guy.

Other words, if you literally just cut and you gave up, you didn't give up much form. So I guess maybe he was saying it was worth a shot. Didn't work out all right. Points seven through ten are all by our guy, Joe Shane Shane. He needs a quarterback in both the draft and free agency. He pointed out multiple times, our only quarterback is Tommy DeVito. We need to attack this in multiple ways, and he deferred to the Rams when asked specifically about Matthew Stafford. But in the side session with you know beat reporters they're reporting from that was he mentioned multiple times like we are going to be aggressive, yes, and again we're back to our guy.

Yes, and my god, here we are back again, just like the Rams and Matthew Stafford as they were last year. Yeah, I do think that there are a couple of teams that will emerge as possible fits. And I think that the Giants are going to be one of them. And I also think that the Raiders are.

Yes, and my god, here we are back again, just like the Rams and Matthew Stafford as they were last year. Yeah, I do think that there are a couple of teams that will emerge as possible fits. And I think that the Giants are going to be one of them. And I also think that the Raiders are.

Potentially Those are the two loones that make the most sense, and.

Potentially Those are the two loones that make the most sense, and.

They the thing with Dable and Shane right now, For me, my this is just conjecture for me, just educated like looking at things. I think he wants a chance to show his work. I think he wants a chance to really show this is the kind of coach I am capable of, This is the kind of schemer that I'm capable of being. This is what I can really do when you have a quarterback of that caliber and your job is in danger. It's not just about winning games and trying to go make an aggressive move to a save both jobs and b try to really go for it. But also I think he wants to show his work. I think that there's a lot of conversations about sort of a backslide with Brian Dable with and I think he's a good coach and I think he's a smart offensive coach for sure.

They the thing with Dable and Shane right now, For me, my this is just conjecture for me, just educated like looking at things. I think he wants a chance to show his work. I think he wants a chance to really show this is the kind of coach I am capable of, This is the kind of schemer that I'm capable of being. This is what I can really do when you have a quarterback of that caliber and your job is in danger. It's not just about winning games and trying to go make an aggressive move to a save both jobs and b try to really go for it. But also I think he wants to show his work. I think that there's a lot of conversations about sort of a backslide with Brian Dable with and I think he's a good coach and I think he's a smart offensive coach for sure.

I think he wants to show it.

I think he wants to show it.

Yeah, and Stafford would give him that chance in the same way that he did for McVeigh.

Yeah, and Stafford would give him that chance in the same way that he did for McVeigh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A few years ago, Joe Shane was asked though what matters most to him in a quarterback mentioned how his son is playing quarterback right now, and he said, I'll tell you the same thing that I tell my son. The two things that matter the most completely and wins.

A few years ago, Joe Shane was asked though what matters most to him in a quarterback mentioned how his son is playing quarterback right now, and he said, I'll tell you the same thing that I tell my son. The two things that matter the most completely and wins.

Oh, no, we're getting We're moving backwards as a as a community.

Oh, no, we're getting We're moving backwards as a as a community.

If he thinks wins are a quarterback.

If he thinks wins are a quarterback.

I mean, I get it, he's looking in a team that it doesn't mean anything. But he said completions and wins. And the more that you hear from Joe Shane, the more he just seems like the guy that you saw on Hard Knocks. Here is Joe Shane being asked by your colleague kayln Kaylor.

I mean, I get it, he's looking in a team that it doesn't mean anything. But he said completions and wins. And the more that you hear from Joe Shane, the more he just seems like the guy that you saw on Hard Knocks. Here is Joe Shane being asked by your colleague kayln Kaylor.

Oh, the King of the car.

Oh, the King of the car.

It's an audio medium, so that didn't work. Your little stop by. Also, I was just throwing to sound, so you're kind of yeah, it'll it'll be on air.

It's an audio medium, so that didn't work. Your little stop by. Also, I was just throwing to sound, so you're kind of yeah, it'll it'll be on air.

I'd like to continue to pretend that we're not on air. It makes him feel safer.

I'd like to continue to pretend that we're not on air. It makes him feel safer.

My point is, no one could hear you if you're not near.

My point is, no one could hear you if you're not near.

I'd be honored.

I'd be honored.

No, uh Ian rappaport off into the night. Let's listen to Joe Shane. He was asked about his experience on Hard Knocks if anyone from other teams have asked him, you know how it was.

No, uh Ian rappaport off into the night. Let's listen to Joe Shane. He was asked about his experience on Hard Knocks if anyone from other teams have asked him, you know how it was.

If any general manager called you to ask about what you're seeing, experience was like last year.

If any general manager called you to ask about what you're seeing, experience was like last year.

And what they still what have you told them?

And what they still what have you told them?

No, I haven't gotten any calls. I think I know what that would do.

No, I haven't gotten any calls. I think I know what that would do.

And you know, I like that Joe Shane can laugh about it. I think he knows that that program did not reflect well at him. Neither does his record.

And you know, I like that Joe Shane can laugh about it. I think he knows that that program did not reflect well at him. Neither does his record.

Frankly, you know what, it was a topic of conversation among executives across the league when it came out, Like I got a couple text being like, what did you think? Honest opinion from people around the league who were wondering because they're going to be the ones deciding whether or not they're going.

Frankly, you know what, it was a topic of conversation among executives across the league when it came out, Like I got a couple text being like, what did you think? Honest opinion from people around the league who were wondering because they're going to be the ones deciding whether or not they're going.

To be in this dang show and oh man, like they were critical.

To be in this dang show and oh man, like they were critical.

They were like, there's no there there with that Yeah, with that front office, and that's got to be hard to hear even third hand. So Joe Shane and I, Yeah, I don't think the hard knocks thing is happening for any other teams out there. Let's go to those were you know, points seven through eleven if you were really we're actually making a pretty good time. I think Liam Cohen, I just want to mentione he's back and he is swaying just as much.

They were like, there's no there there with that Yeah, with that front office, and that's got to be hard to hear even third hand. So Joe Shane and I, Yeah, I don't think the hard knocks thing is happening for any other teams out there. Let's go to those were you know, points seven through eleven if you were really we're actually making a pretty good time. I think Liam Cohen, I just want to mentione he's back and he is swaying just as much.

I don't know if you clocked this at the podium.

I don't know if you clocked this at the podium.

The duval.

The duval.

I didn't do that, but he was moving side to side the whole time, but seemed much more relaxed. So sometimes that first press conference is one thing, but then you see him he's filling in who he is as a coach, and I like it a little different vibe. And I do like that he said that their passing game will go through Brian Thomas Junior.

I didn't do that, but he was moving side to side the whole time, but seemed much more relaxed. So sometimes that first press conference is one thing, but then you see him he's filling in who he is as a coach, and I like it a little different vibe. And I do like that he said that their passing game will go through Brian Thomas Junior.

Smart, very smart, just good coaching right there, good thinking, good plan. Brian Thomas Junior rocks. He's a guy who rules.

Smart, very smart, just good coaching right there, good thinking, good plan. Brian Thomas Junior rocks. He's a guy who rules.

A guy who.

A guy who.

Was that good as a rookie, could have been Rookie of the Year. Yes, it was a different year and is only going to get better. I think it was kind of raw coming in in terms of his route running things, so I think he's going to improve. I love how strong he was. Of course, they also really spoke highly. He spoke Higlie of Trevor Lawrence in all the ways that they're gonna improve. We talked to James Gladstone a little bit coming up, so you'll you'll hear that that's the new Jaguars general manager. We also spoke with Dave Canalis. We're gonna hold that interview because I maybe you guys could tell me differently.

Was that good as a rookie, could have been Rookie of the Year. Yes, it was a different year and is only going to get better. I think it was kind of raw coming in in terms of his route running things, so I think he's going to improve. I love how strong he was. Of course, they also really spoke highly. He spoke Higlie of Trevor Lawrence in all the ways that they're gonna improve. We talked to James Gladstone a little bit coming up, so you'll you'll hear that that's the new Jaguars general manager. We also spoke with Dave Canalis. We're gonna hold that interview because I maybe you guys could tell me differently.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't feel like shotgunting, like five straight interviews is what the listeners need. So we're gonna We're gonna spread out the good stuff. And I really liked getting a feel of who Canalis was as a person. But our thirteenth point here is just some factual stuff on their wide receivers.

I don't feel like shotgunting, like five straight interviews is what the listeners need. So we're gonna We're gonna spread out the good stuff. And I really liked getting a feel of who Canalis was as a person. But our thirteenth point here is just some factual stuff on their wide receivers.

He said.

He said.

Xavier Loget, their first round pick, undergoing foot surgery. They're expecting he'll be back for training camp, maybe even some of the offseason. And he seemed in to me. I tried to ask him if they're bringing Adam Theling back. That was maybe, of course he would want Adam Thielen back. He almost seemed like it was Adam up to Adam thelen Willer he wants to return. Because I was curious if they would bring back that same wide receiver.

Xavier Loget, their first round pick, undergoing foot surgery. They're expecting he'll be back for training camp, maybe even some of the offseason. And he seemed in to me. I tried to ask him if they're bringing Adam Theling back. That was maybe, of course he would want Adam Thielen back. He almost seemed like it was Adam up to Adam thelen Willer he wants to return. Because I was curious if they would bring back that same wide receiver.

Could Yeah.

Could Yeah.

I think they need to continue to add there in the via the draft specifically, And I don't know. To me, it sounded almost like bring another case of Okay, we've been talking about this with Dan Morgan the GM ownership. Okay, bring the price down a little bit, bring the price down a little bit, and maybe he's back.

I think they need to continue to add there in the via the draft specifically, And I don't know. To me, it sounded almost like bring another case of Okay, we've been talking about this with Dan Morgan the GM ownership. Okay, bring the price down a little bit, bring the price down a little bit, and maybe he's back.

I hope he's back. He's a great player.

I hope he's back. He's a great player.

And I loved what Canal has said about that wide receiver room and just competition in general, that he wants to throw more talent in that mix that is in create some chaos and creation.

And I loved what Canal has said about that wide receiver room and just competition in general, that he wants to throw more talent in that mix that is in create some chaos and creation.

You know what. Okay, So he's very buttoned up, right, like he's very polished and all that, like lots of media training and all of that. He almost cursed on our show, and in the best way, like he said, he almost said f some up. And I think that that was I was like, Okay, that is that is the real, Like we were asking him what his meetings are like and all of that.

You know what. Okay, So he's very buttoned up, right, like he's very polished and all that, like lots of media training and all of that. He almost cursed on our show, and in the best way, like he said, he almost said f some up. And I think that that was I was like, Okay, that is that is the real, Like we were asking him what his meetings are like and all of that.

That's the real. That was the real one right there. And it's a great point and looking forward to hearing him later. But my takeaway from that too with the wide receiver group reading between the line, it's like they have three threes right now. Yeah, and so they need to get more talented there, even though defense is probably their main focus. All right, number fourteen, And look, that's like original reporting we're doing here. This isn't all just aggregating. That was our interview that we're crediting, but fourteen is aggregating. This is a report I couldn't believe when I saw today.

That's the real. That was the real one right there. And it's a great point and looking forward to hearing him later. But my takeaway from that too with the wide receiver group reading between the line, it's like they have three threes right now. Yeah, and so they need to get more talented there, even though defense is probably their main focus. All right, number fourteen, And look, that's like original reporting we're doing here. This isn't all just aggregating. That was our interview that we're crediting, but fourteen is aggregating. This is a report I couldn't believe when I saw today.

I thought you were lying to me when you said it.

I thought you were lying to me when you said it.

I saught Sears, a lammy who used to be at football. Guys been around a long time, really respect him. He had some sources and some reporting that Rob Gronkowski is training with the plan to return to play football in twenty twenty five. I would guess that's not something where a signing is going to come early in the offseason.

I saught Sears, a lammy who used to be at football. Guys been around a long time, really respect him. He had some sources and some reporting that Rob Gronkowski is training with the plan to return to play football in twenty twenty five. I would guess that's not something where a signing is going to come early in the offseason.

Bud.

Bud.

He did mention, and it's a Broncos reporter mentioning is that you know, Gronk and Sean Payton got to know each other a little bit on the Fox set, and that that might be a fit. I could I could kind of see that, and so we might have to restart that Canton clock for Rob Gnkowski.

He did mention, and it's a Broncos reporter mentioning is that you know, Gronk and Sean Payton got to know each other a little bit on the Fox set, and that that might be a fit. I could I could kind of see that, and so we might have to restart that Canton clock for Rob Gnkowski.

I could just picture how that conversation went there like in the green room, like having a coffee together or something like that, and he's like, yeah, bro, I could totally still go. I could totally still go watch I'll train and I'll show you watch. I could totally Sean Payton going all right, bet like, let's see it.

I could just picture how that conversation went there like in the green room, like having a coffee together or something like that, and he's like, yeah, bro, I could totally still go. I could totally still go watch I'll train and I'll show you watch. I could totally Sean Payton going all right, bet like, let's see it.

Yeah, Sean Payton, we'll get a work out. At least who finds a brighter hoodie to wear each and every year? I love that man. Had a great joke today. He's not in the show, but he had a great joke. You know, he was thanking Pete Carroll for keeping him the youngest coach in the AFC West, or making him the youngest coach in the AFC West. And you know what's kind of sneaky about Rob Gronkowski not that old. His body took a lot of beatings, but he will be turning thirty six in May.

Yeah, Sean Payton, we'll get a work out. At least who finds a brighter hoodie to wear each and every year? I love that man. Had a great joke today. He's not in the show, but he had a great joke. You know, he was thanking Pete Carroll for keeping him the youngest coach in the AFC West, or making him the youngest coach in the AFC West. And you know what's kind of sneaky about Rob Gronkowski not that old. His body took a lot of beatings, but he will be turning thirty six in May.

How's the liver?

How's the liver?

That's a question that needs to be asked. But he's much younger than Mercedes Lewis.

That's a question that needs to be asked. But he's much younger than Mercedes Lewis.

Who is you know, still going?

Who is you know, still going?

Still going? Yes, that was a surprising report. All right, change your gears. We'll get serious here for a second. Let's listen to Eric Tacosta, the general manager of the Baltimore Ravens. Now, the Ravens had released a few statements about the allegations against Justin Tucker and the multiple many many women now over ten that have alled sexual assault misconduct, and the Ravens hadn't addressed it publicly until Tuesday. Let's listen to Eric DaCosta, their general manager, at the podium.

Still going? Yes, that was a surprising report. All right, change your gears. We'll get serious here for a second. Let's listen to Eric Tacosta, the general manager of the Baltimore Ravens. Now, the Ravens had released a few statements about the allegations against Justin Tucker and the multiple many many women now over ten that have alled sexual assault misconduct, and the Ravens hadn't addressed it publicly until Tuesday. Let's listen to Eric DaCosta, their general manager, at the podium.

Well, I think a lot goes into that. First of all, good question, appreciate the question. The allegations are serious, concerning the amount of allegations are serious and concerning. I think we're fortunate that the league is doing an investigation. We'll wait as patiently as we can for as much information as we can. It will make a decisions based on.

Well, I think a lot goes into that. First of all, good question, appreciate the question. The allegations are serious, concerning the amount of allegations are serious and concerning. I think we're fortunate that the league is doing an investigation. We'll wait as patiently as we can for as much information as we can. It will make a decisions based on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think the tone that DaCosta brought there and then later that John Harbaugh also brought, made me think this is just a matter of time. The allegations and investigating all that is much more important than like his status with the Ravens or what happens next with Justin Tucker. But John Harbaugh also said Kicker would have been a position we would have been looking at heavily. Anyways, Even putting this aside, so we are looking heavily at that position. And just from a football perspective, my takeaway was, I'd be stunned if Justin Tucker is ever you know, in a Ravens uniform again or an NFL uniform. Yeah, And the NFL is investigating that and and we'll see if he gets an official suspension. They also did speak much more about just like football matters, and so this is zero points fifteen through seventeen.

I think the tone that DaCosta brought there and then later that John Harbaugh also brought, made me think this is just a matter of time. The allegations and investigating all that is much more important than like his status with the Ravens or what happens next with Justin Tucker. But John Harbaugh also said Kicker would have been a position we would have been looking at heavily. Anyways, Even putting this aside, so we are looking heavily at that position. And just from a football perspective, my takeaway was, I'd be stunned if Justin Tucker is ever you know, in a Ravens uniform again or an NFL uniform. Yeah, And the NFL is investigating that and and we'll see if he gets an official suspension. They also did speak much more about just like football matters, and so this is zero points fifteen through seventeen.

By the way, that was fifteen.

By the way, that was fifteen.

I was surprised how optimistic Tacosta was about getting a deal done with Ronnie Stanley. He said it in a way that I've been to enough of these that I don't think it was just GM's speak. It actually sounded like, oh, we've made some real progress, and I think.

I was surprised how optimistic Tacosta was about getting a deal done with Ronnie Stanley. He said it in a way that I've been to enough of these that I don't think it was just GM's speak. It actually sounded like, oh, we've made some real progress, and I think.

This is going to happen.

This is going to happen.

Well. Ronnie Stanley has been very open about the fact that he wants to be a Baltimore raven for life, and he said that on numerous occasions this season. So I really do think that this is one of those where we can take what was said at the podium and actually clock it in a serious way. Because Ronnie Stanley's been asked about this a few times and has said each time he would like to be a Raven for life. I also think there's something to his tenure with that strength and conditioning and medical department. They really, I mean amazing to come back from everything, all the things that he came back from and have a healthy season and making that progress in the same building I think is probably important too.

Well. Ronnie Stanley has been very open about the fact that he wants to be a Baltimore raven for life, and he said that on numerous occasions this season. So I really do think that this is one of those where we can take what was said at the podium and actually clock it in a serious way. Because Ronnie Stanley's been asked about this a few times and has said each time he would like to be a Raven for life. I also think there's something to his tenure with that strength and conditioning and medical department. They really, I mean amazing to come back from everything, all the things that he came back from and have a healthy season and making that progress in the same building I think is probably important too.

It really shows what a good organization can and do and get as an advantage. I think that lesser organizations cannot because they asked this man to take a pay cut last year. This is a guy who has been an all he did. He was forced essentially to take a pay cut and stay. Usually that guy like Josh Sweat, for instance, this year with the Eagles, He's not gonna stay with the Eagles. He's gonna take the biggest contract. Usually that guy goes the next year. And he's my number three free agent left tackle with the Baltimore Ravens. A very up and down career, but the highs are really high. A lot of injuries, but it really sounds like the number three guy on my list will not make it a free agency.

It really shows what a good organization can and do and get as an advantage. I think that lesser organizations cannot because they asked this man to take a pay cut last year. This is a guy who has been an all he did. He was forced essentially to take a pay cut and stay. Usually that guy like Josh Sweat, for instance, this year with the Eagles, He's not gonna stay with the Eagles. He's gonna take the biggest contract. Usually that guy goes the next year. And he's my number three free agent left tackle with the Baltimore Ravens. A very up and down career, but the highs are really high. A lot of injuries, but it really sounds like the number three guy on my list will not make it a free agency.

We will see lest that Drew Rosenhaus complimented to Rosenhouse, super agent.

We will see lest that Drew Rosenhaus complimented to Rosenhouse, super agent.

The top one to one get a lot of pop. By the way, DaCosta thought a lot of good guards. He was very specific about what he thought the Ravens need in this draft. So I always think that's interesting when teams are out front with that. And he said, we're gonna be able to find some guards that can play for us in this draft, and it is known as a pretty deep guard class. And then he thought their biggest needs were actually edge and outside linebacker. Kid say, I disagree, but just interesting. If you think about that roster, they want someone next to Rokwan Smith. They really need difference making edge more depth there. So just I thought that was interesting. Points eighteen through twenty and then we're going to take a quick break. Joe Hortis, the Los Angeles Chargers general manager, was asked about Khalil Mack. He said, and this was news to me that Khalil Mack is not retiring.

The top one to one get a lot of pop. By the way, DaCosta thought a lot of good guards. He was very specific about what he thought the Ravens need in this draft. So I always think that's interesting when teams are out front with that. And he said, we're gonna be able to find some guards that can play for us in this draft, and it is known as a pretty deep guard class. And then he thought their biggest needs were actually edge and outside linebacker. Kid say, I disagree, but just interesting. If you think about that roster, they want someone next to Rokwan Smith. They really need difference making edge more depth there. So just I thought that was interesting. Points eighteen through twenty and then we're going to take a quick break. Joe Hortis, the Los Angeles Chargers general manager, was asked about Khalil Mack. He said, and this was news to me that Khalil Mack is not retiring.

I didn't know that was I was gonna say, I did not actually know that that was in consideration because I just assumed Khalil Mack was just going to keep chugging along.

I didn't know that was I was gonna say, I did not actually know that that was in consideration because I just assumed Khalil Mack was just going to keep chugging along.

Joe knew that. Joe Hortiz and I think he has reached the point of his career.

Joe knew that. Joe Hortiz and I think he has reached the point of his career.

He being Khalil Mack that it was not a guarantee that he was going to play football against I could be wrong. Maybe someone's reported this before. I've never seen that, so I think Joe kind of broke that news. And he also said that they are negotiating a and he sounded hopeful about bringing Khalil Mack back. We'll see if that happens or not. I think that that's up in the air, but I think they'll they'll give it a good shot. He mentioned Zion Johnson, who's a first round pick from a few years ago who's frankly struggled at guard, will be tried at center. They need a new center this season. That might be like a salvation. Just give it a shot, and they're going to bring in another center. But that was interesting. And then I thought he was more optimistic on Mac than he necessarily was on Joey Bosa. Joey Bosa is under contract, he is not a free agent. I think if you look at his contract, it makes sense for Joey Bosa to be released. When asked about Joey Bosa, Cortiz said he wants to retire a charger I'd love for him to retire a Charger. I love Joey the teammate and competitor. Sneaky non answer there.

He being Khalil Mack that it was not a guarantee that he was going to play football against I could be wrong. Maybe someone's reported this before. I've never seen that, so I think Joe kind of broke that news. And he also said that they are negotiating a and he sounded hopeful about bringing Khalil Mack back. We'll see if that happens or not. I think that that's up in the air, but I think they'll they'll give it a good shot. He mentioned Zion Johnson, who's a first round pick from a few years ago who's frankly struggled at guard, will be tried at center. They need a new center this season. That might be like a salvation. Just give it a shot, and they're going to bring in another center. But that was interesting. And then I thought he was more optimistic on Mac than he necessarily was on Joey Bosa. Joey Bosa is under contract, he is not a free agent. I think if you look at his contract, it makes sense for Joey Bosa to be released. When asked about Joey Bosa, Cortiz said he wants to retire a charger I'd love for him to retire a Charger. I love Joey the teammate and competitor. Sneaky non answer there.

Yeah, and a subtle way of publicly asking a player to take a pay cut really just to stay.

Yeah, and a subtle way of publicly asking a player to take a pay cut really just to stay.

He just took one though.

He just took one though.

Yeah, yeah, I know. And you know it's interesting the local reporters out there covering the Chargers, they do believe that he's going to be released.

Yeah, yeah, I know. And you know it's interesting the local reporters out there covering the Chargers, they do believe that he's going to be released.

Interesting.

Interesting.

Yeah that was from Chris rim is his name with with ESPN dot com, so I should credit Obviously. Some of these are coming at the podium, which is free to all, and some like this one is at a little side session.

Yeah that was from Chris rim is his name with with ESPN dot com, so I should credit Obviously. Some of these are coming at the podium, which is free to all, and some like this one is at a little side session.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have to admit I tried to go back into reporter mode. It's it's been a minute.

I have to admit I tried to go back into reporter mode. It's it's been a minute.

I know we were lurking. We were lurking in the scrounds over here.

I know we were lurking. We were lurking in the scrounds over here.

So I went great. I went to Horties. He was one of the first guys up, but I was over at Shane for the first ten minutes. And you know you're checking on Twitter, man, did anyone ask about about Joey Bosa.

So I went great. I went to Horties. He was one of the first guys up, but I was over at Shane for the first ten minutes. And you know you're checking on Twitter, man, did anyone ask about about Joey Bosa.

I just wanted to know that his answer to that question.

I just wanted to know that his answer to that question.

Did anyone, Well, it's not on Twitter and then you ask someone because you don't want to double ask the question.

Did anyone, Well, it's not on Twitter and then you ask someone because you don't want to double ask the question.

Yeah, that's a problem.

Yeah, that's a problem.

And then by the time I'm like Joe, Joe, they're like times up and he's he was like off and I didn't get it.

And then by the time I'm like Joe, Joe, they're like times up and he's he was like off and I didn't get it.

Well, I'm proud of you for trying. But here's a little behind the curtain beat writer etiquette. So the reason that wasn't asked at the podium is because the beat. Let me tell the last I know, you're the best like ally to beat rights on the planet, seriously, like it is for like years and years and years around the NFL and now NFL Daily like you. You are the person that recognizes the beat writers. I'm serious about that. But for the listener, the etiquette is when you are in these scrums. The really annoying thing is when somebody helicopter's in that's not on the beat. Because the beat understands that they will get a side session in which the newsworthy questions that they do not want aggregated and basically their work going to someone else's aggregation before they can write it up themselves. So that's why they don't ask it publicly in front of the entire podium.

Well, I'm proud of you for trying. But here's a little behind the curtain beat writer etiquette. So the reason that wasn't asked at the podium is because the beat. Let me tell the last I know, you're the best like ally to beat rights on the planet, seriously, like it is for like years and years and years around the NFL and now NFL Daily like you. You are the person that recognizes the beat writers. I'm serious about that. But for the listener, the etiquette is when you are in these scrums. The really annoying thing is when somebody helicopter's in that's not on the beat. Because the beat understands that they will get a side session in which the newsworthy questions that they do not want aggregated and basically their work going to someone else's aggregation before they can write it up themselves. So that's why they don't ask it publicly in front of the entire podium.

They wait for the side session. Now, I'm glad it was asked, but you are in danger of being that guy. So I'm glad.

They wait for the side session. Now, I'm glad it was asked, but you are in danger of being that guy. So I'm glad.

I'm glad he didn't work out.

I'm glad he didn't work out.

That's what where you meet me, beat writers.

That's what where you meet me, beat writers.

You make your judgment call.

You make your judgment call.

There are certain like unspoken rules that a lot of the people here don't even aren't aware.

There are certain like unspoken rules that a lot of the people here don't even aren't aware.

Of necessarily, but you are greg because you you can this.

Of necessarily, but you are greg because you you can this.

This would be a case where I don't care, like, don't be so precious, oh, beat writers, that you got the exact same information on the side session. It's gonna get aggregated anyways. This this is it's just a very basic offseason question.

This would be a case where I don't care, like, don't be so precious, oh, beat writers, that you got the exact same information on the side session. It's gonna get aggregated anyways. This this is it's just a very basic offseason question.

Feel personally attacked.

Feel personally attacked.

Yeah, it to me that one. I think there are there are subtleties. This is like you gotta are you confident Joey Boses back with the.

Yeah, it to me that one. I think there are there are subtleties. This is like you gotta are you confident Joey Boses back with the.

Team or not?

Team or not?

Like, calm down, Beat writers, everyone can hear that chance.

Like, calm down, Beat writers, everyone can hear that chance.

I don't know every single situation. Sometimes some coaches don't do side sessions. They are and the question hadn't been asked.

I don't know every single situation. Sometimes some coaches don't do side sessions. They are and the question hadn't been asked.

But they are. The beat writers are aware. We're not gonna go we're being pedantic now, but the beat writers are aware that that will happen.

But they are. The beat writers are aware. We're not gonna go we're being pedantic now, but the beat writers are aware that that will happen.

Sure, But then like, you know, Mike Rabel, he's not doing any side stuff and like just a lot of stuff doesn't get asked.

Sure, But then like, you know, Mike Rabel, he's not doing any side stuff and like just a lot of stuff doesn't get asked.

Who do you really care about?

Who do you really care about?

The other beat writers or the listeners, the audience, the fans of the Chargers. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna be back. We're gonna have twenty seven more takeaways, and we're also gonna hear from a couple of general managers right after this.

The other beat writers or the listeners, the audience, the fans of the Chargers. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna be back. We're gonna have twenty seven more takeaways, and we're also gonna hear from a couple of general managers right after this.

Back on NFL Daily.

Back on NFL Daily.

All Right, we've had twenty of the forty seven things that we learned here Tuesday at the combine.

All Right, we've had twenty of the forty seven things that we learned here Tuesday at the combine.

We're making good time.

We're making good time.

Twenty one Aaron Glenn, this was good football guy through and through.

Twenty one Aaron Glenn, this was good football guy through and through.

Number one. He was either sweaty or had spilled stuff on his shirt one or the other. Either way.

Number one. He was either sweaty or had spilled stuff on his shirt one or the other. Either way.

Football guy, football guy, total football guy. I will say in the Google doc bullet point twenty one says Aaron Glenn, colon football guy m Dash was either sweaty or wet.

Football guy, football guy, total football guy. I will say in the Google doc bullet point twenty one says Aaron Glenn, colon football guy m Dash was either sweaty or wet.

Just he's a He's such a football guy.

Just he's a He's such a football guy.

Without the context. When I opened the doc, I was like, Okay, what are we talking about here?

Without the context. When I opened the doc, I was like, Okay, what are we talking about here?

He's just like we are here to win now.

He's just like we are here to win now.

He talks and you definitely get Dan Campbell vibes, and Aaron Glenn was a fully formed personality as a player and a coach before he ever worked for Dan Campbell. I just think some of their strengths happened to be similar, as like guys you would want to run through a wall for Let's listen to him talking about just something that made.

He talks and you definitely get Dan Campbell vibes, and Aaron Glenn was a fully formed personality as a player and a coach before he ever worked for Dan Campbell. I just think some of their strengths happened to be similar, as like guys you would want to run through a wall for Let's listen to him talking about just something that made.

Him a little mad.

Him a little mad.

I'm confident that you can find a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers for twenty twenty five.

I'm confident that you can find a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers for twenty twenty five.

We're confident. We're trying to win games, so that may be. It is what it is, so and that's it.

We're confident. We're trying to win games, so that may be. It is what it is, so and that's it.

And the thing is, I don't want to disrespect any other the players we have in my team, and they kind of pisses me off and some of the other players that that's what we all talk about. You have Quinn Williams, you have Quinson william you have avt now you have Joe Tibman. All those guys need to be respected as far as winning games.

And the thing is, I don't want to disrespect any other the players we have in my team, and they kind of pisses me off and some of the other players that that's what we all talk about. You have Quinn Williams, you have Quinson william you have avt now you have Joe Tibman. All those guys need to be respected as far as winning games.

Also, I like the fire there from I love that Aaron Glenn and a little context partly in reference to a tweets out by Quinn Williams where he had a thumbs down emoji for them getting rid of Aaron Rodgers. So when Aaron Glenn is saying that he's pissing off some people, he's not just talking about fansy, I guess he's talking about Quinn Williams.

Also, I like the fire there from I love that Aaron Glenn and a little context partly in reference to a tweets out by Quinn Williams where he had a thumbs down emoji for them getting rid of Aaron Rodgers. So when Aaron Glenn is saying that he's pissing off some people, he's not just talking about fansy, I guess he's talking about Quinn Williams.

And I just love how straightforward he is.

And I just love how straightforward he is.

I know, what you see is what you get with him, and I love it. I was over listening to Dan Campbell late in the late in the afternoon at his podium and he was, of course the Jets beat was in full over there, and they were asking about Aaron Glenn and he was just talking about how Aaron Glenn was the he said the words the CEO of our defense and would be key and critical as a figure, and an insight in their strategy meetings and their situational meetings, those types of things. I think that was pretty cool.

I know, what you see is what you get with him, and I love it. I was over listening to Dan Campbell late in the late in the afternoon at his podium and he was, of course the Jets beat was in full over there, and they were asking about Aaron Glenn and he was just talking about how Aaron Glenn was the he said the words the CEO of our defense and would be key and critical as a figure, and an insight in their strategy meetings and their situational meetings, those types of things. I think that was pretty cool.

So a lot of what the combine is press conference wise is confirming things or more evidence that something you think is going to happen is probably going to happen. That was the case with questiadofa Mensa speaking on Tuesday saying about Sam Donald, we have options, and so you know the options would be tag and trade, just let him walk with a compensatory pick, long term deal.

So a lot of what the combine is press conference wise is confirming things or more evidence that something you think is going to happen is probably going to happen. That was the case with questiadofa Mensa speaking on Tuesday saying about Sam Donald, we have options, and so you know the options would be tag and trade, just let him walk with a compensatory pick, long term deal.

I think it's going to be one of the first two.

I think it's going to be one of the first two.

But he also said, we're so proud of what Sam did for us, and it does feel like he's talking in the past tense, and he said, we don't want to overweight what he did the fifteen game first fifteen games of the season and underweight last two games of the season, or vice versa, like it is a really tricky mental exercise to assign the proper weight to everything that happens. But what he finished with is what he left me with, which is like, we also don't want to overlook those two games.

But he also said, we're so proud of what Sam did for us, and it does feel like he's talking in the past tense, and he said, we don't want to overweight what he did the fifteen game first fifteen games of the season and underweight last two games of the season, or vice versa, like it is a really tricky mental exercise to assign the proper weight to everything that happens. But what he finished with is what he left me with, which is like, we also don't want to overlook those two games.

Yes, why they happened.

Yes, why they happened.

I thought that was an I thought that was an extraordinariarrowly honest answer. Really it was because those two games were the floor with Sam Donald that the Vikings themselves had not scene, and so they have data on it now. And I will say, you know, that continued to be the question throughout the year over there is what is this guy's floor. We're seeing a ceiling at this point, we're seeing what we think felt he was capable of and the potential that he's reaching, So they didn't quite know the floor. Whenever you're making a decision about the quarterback, you have to ascertain how high or how low that floor is.