Since his stroke in 2022, Senator John Fetterman has been battling—battling clinical depression, his own party, frustrated constituents, and even the political culture itself. At 6’8” and clad in his trademark hoodies, Fetterman has never fit the conventional congressional mold. But where does that leave him now, as he continues to defy expectations and confound both allies and critics?

From the government shutdown to Israel to immigration, Katie and Senator Fetterman cover a lot of ground. But at the heart of this urgent conversation, and of his new memoir Unfettered, is Fetterman’s harrowing struggle with depression and suicidal ideation—and his personal mission to remind people that the world is always better with them in it.