It was standing room only for this important event at the 2022 festival with Paul Callaghan and Uncle Paul Gordon, who believe that First Nations thinking can be a source of contentment for all. The men bring together Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal world views in their powerful book, The Dreaming Path, and they expand on some of its themes in this conversation; relationships, caring for place, being present and healing from the past. The host is Joe Williams, a proud Wiradjuri/Wolgalu man and author of The Enemy Within.