New Orleans Saints PodcastWeek 16 Breakdown on Saints Podcast | December 24, 2024
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Personally, I haven't got to get a taste of a win, you know, starting any game, so you know, hopefully we'll be able to. But you know, I know these guys in this locker room, this team is not gonna just lay down and quit. You know, We're gonna come come back to work and uh, you know, just grind and finished the season out. But you know it's tough. It's a really good team that we just played, uh you know, and they they had a great scheme.
Welcome into the New Orleans Saints Podcast and Happy Christmas Eve Mary Day before Christmas. I don't exactly know the right phrasing here, but Aaron Summers, John and Chaser we are talking after the thirty four zero loss at Green Bay Monday Night football. It was a tough go for the Saints JD. When it was all said and done, was there anything in particular that stood out to you or was it a multitude of things that just didn't go right.
Well, first, it might be happy holidays.
I don't know exactly what it is either, but yet what stood out to me was that green Bay's a really good team. And when you play a good team, and the Saints have done that a few times this season. When you play a good team and you don't play up to your level and you don't have your top line people anyway, but when you don't play to a certain level, certain standard, you turn the ball over, you commit penalties, that team can pretty much ransack you.
And that's what green Bay did. I mean, green Bay ran the ball.
They piled up twice as many yards as the Saints, they almost doubled them up in time possession, They forced a couple of turnovers.
It was just one of those things where.
The Saints I'd hate to say, got a little brother, but I mean they played a better team, a better team on paper that looked like a better team on the field, looked like a much vastly better team on the field. And if you don't play to a clean standard and the same I've rarely done that this season, but this was one of those teams where you couldn't get away with that with because they're just too good for that, and they didn't.
And on top of that, once they played.
Clean and the things couldn't force any turnovers, They couldn't force any mistakes out of green Bay, even when they had green Bay and some some good situations, some third and seven, third and eight. If you commit a neutral zone infraction and you knock it down to third and two, third and one, well you're pretty much handing things on the platter to a team that's already better than you are.
So it's just one of those things where.
It just it could have been a whole lot worse than it wasn't thirty four nothing, it's nothing to sneeze at, but it probably.
Could have been worse.
It is just something that Scott Shanley and I talked about last night on the post game show is the fact that Green Bay is a really good team. And there's really no other way to say it except that the Saints it's almost like they have their second string out there because of the injuries, and it is what it is. And I hate to continue to harp on the injuries, but it is a real thing.
Yeah, it's real.
I mean, you can't make excuses, but you know, the fact of the matter is, you know, Spencer Ratler is the backup quarterback. You know, the fact of the matter is Kendre Miller is the number three running back preat practically because of Alan Kamara and Takesom Hill. The fact of the matter is, you know, if you don't have Marquez Valdez Scantling who was probably the number four receiver, or so, you don't have Chris a Lovey and you don't have Rashie Shahid, so you're down to.
Your fourth, fifth, sixth receivers, that kind of thing.
The only front line guys out there were the offensive linear and Eric McCoy unfortunately takes takes the elbow injury in that game and leaves and other front line guys on offense tight ends.
Yeah, but if you don't have you know, the I don't want to say the proper proper practice because they do practice together, but it's totally different once you get in the game. And yeah, it was Spencer Ratler's fourth start, but.
Each of those has been a learning experience where each defense probably threw a little bit something different at him, where you know, you see some things on the film and that particular defensive coordinator says, Okay, we're getting a rookie quarterback, so we're going to get a little bit more exotic, show him some different things and see if he can pick him up. And oh, by the way, he doesn't have his top four receivers or so, so we're going to see if those receivers can beat us man to man those kinds of things. So it's just one of those things where you know, yeah, you're injured. You don't want to make excuses, but it is real.
It is a fact, hard cold on paper.
That the Saints are playing with some guys who otherwise would not be playing.
Yeah, and each time that Spencer has played, he's had different people around him. Coming into this game last night, he was really excited about having a healthy offensive line there and Eric McCoy. But you mentioned he goes out early with that elbow injury and it changes the dynamic of things. Shane Lemieux is plugged in and then Eric McCoy is such a difference maker and for him not to be on the field it does have an effect.
Eric McCoy is basically like your starting quarterback. He's running the offensive line, he knows the protections, he knows the blocking schemes. So you lose that experience, and not just that experience, because you know people can know what to do and not be able to do it. Eric knows what to do and he's able to do it. A very talented player. So you lose that and then you know you lose Mark Wesvaldez Scantley and you say, well, he's only been around for a month, month and a half, but he's been a valuable contributor in that month month and a half. He's been a threat that's been somewhat reliable for the Saints that you know you've got a guy who if they want to play your man the man. He can run past people, he can stretch defenses. You have to account for him. Well, green Bay looks around and no offense. But green Bay sees Ced Wilson Jr. They see Mason Tipton, they see some guys on the field who they feel pretty.
Good about being able to cover.
And so now suddenly you can do some things defensively that maybe you thought you couldn't do.
But as soon as you learn that MVS.
Is out of the game, you say, well, okay, we don't have to we don't have to run these schemes because they don't have that guy who could run through our secondary, or at least we don't think they have that guy that can run through our secondary. So now suddenly you're talking about a whole different thing. And it's just one of those And Kevin Austin Jr.
Was out of the receiver too. It's just one of those.
Things where you know you're so deep into the depth chart where you never imagine you would be if you're the things you never imagined to begin this season that Kevin Austin Junior is gonna have to be starting that receiver in a game. You never imagined that Kendre Miller was going to be the bell cow. You thought he might be playing some snaps, but you didn't know that he was gonna have to be the bell cole in the game. You never imagine that you be playing musical chairs and rotating that center.
This much in the season where you know.
Connor McGovern has started, and Eric McCoy is started, and Shame of Mews started, and I think Lucas Patrick.
Has gotten snatchy.
I mean, it's been just a total When you're talking about injuries, it's been a total disaster of the season from that standpoint, because you cannot possibly get any continuity when you're constantly rotating and rotating and trying to figure things out and trying to plug and play. And you know, again, I always say, the next man up is there's a reason he's the next man and unfortunately, the Saints have done a lot of next man up this season and it just has not been beneficial for the team unfortunately, because you know, when you're playing against you playing your backups against their starters constantly, it's going to catch.
Up to you. In the NFL.
Yeah, and I know, I'm sure the fans are going to be frustrated with the loss. Not scoring at all. The two times you do get into a threatening situation field goal range, you have the fumble and the interception on the offense. Spencer Ratler was very honest and transparent about the situation, and he took a lot of it on himself, saying that you know, there were some mistakes that he made, which is going to continue to happen. Again, you don't have the people around you that you should have when you're starting a game that's going to have an effect on it. And then the decision on the interception. He said he should have thrown it away quicker. The fumble, I don't. I don't know if the ball just fell it was I don't know what happened on that, but I think.
The pack has actually knocked that one out. They got him from behind me, and that's a good play by them. Again, they're they're you know, surrounding and it's warming and swarming him in the pocket. He's trying to maneuver out and I think they were able to not that one out of his hand.
So on that one, I don't necessarily in the interception, you know, that's a it looked like a young guy play where he made misread.
I mean, he thought the guy was open. They baited him and it turned into an easy interception. And it can look that way because they show you one look, they switch into another. You think you've got a guy open, and you don't all of a sudden, so you know, and that's not to absolve.
Him of it.
It's just to say that young guys do young stuff, and young guys do young stuff, especially when they don't have frontline guys playing with them, because there's really been no established chemistry between him and the receivers that he's probably trying.
To throw the ball to most of the time. There guys he's been working scout team with for the majority of the season, and working scout team is totally different than working your own stuff. You're working the opponent's stuff, not your own.
So you know, you don't build up that chemistry because you have not been running your plays with those players. And when you run plays, run those plays and practice, it's been minimal reps.
That you've had with those guys.
So you know, it's hard to say, well, you know this is where he likes the ball placement. You know, well, if I see this coverage, I can depend on him to make this read as a receiver.
Those are things that have to develop over time, and the Saints have not had that time.
Yeah, it's hard to evaluate Raller's performance given the circumstances. Even you know, earlier this season, I think people were understanding of that with the changes on the offensive line. I mean it was more than just the center when he was in earlier. But I think he has shown that he's has the confidence, he has the athletic ability, and maybe you continue to give him a chance here at these last two games. If quarterback Derek Carr isn't able to.
Go, yeah, I mean he looks like he's got some stuff. And now the Saints draft is Spencer Ratler in the fifth round. They said he was developing mo guy, and Spencer Raler has looked like a devel memo guy. But his development probably would be accelerated if he was playing with the front line guys routinely. And that's something that you know, I understand. It's the bottom line business. It's wins losses. That's the only thing that matters.
There are no asterisks in the one lost column saying you didn't have your number two receiver and you didn't have your number one running back. There's nothing in the standings that accounts for that. So from one standpoint, he simply has to play better. He's got to make better decisions when he does play, he's got to be cleaner. But the flip side is, again he's a rookie. He's making his fourth NFL, starting his fifth NFL appearance. He's only had one half where he's looked really clean, and that was the second half against Washington that they can payment.
So he doesn't have a vast deal of experience.
Like other rookie quarterbacks, he'll started from from week one, and even if he started from week one, with the way the Saints have had to jumble the lineups, I don't know if he'd be better, obviously because they have more experienced, but he had had the he hadn't had the guys that you would say that are the front line guys that you want to be working with. So you know, you go to Green Bay on the Monday night and Alban Kamara isn't playing and Marquez Valdez scantly didn't playing, and those probably are the last two real threats, threats offensively that opponents look at and say, okay, we got to account for. Well now suddenly it's like, okay, you're going into a gunfight with with a pocket full of rocks.
I mean, you just don't have the guys that you need.
It reminded me of remember the Miami game that Ian book started, Yeah, yeah, and that.
Was yeah, and that was a COVID game where God, so many guys with COVID and it was like the Saints basically ran out of a Division three team against an NCC team.
I guess the equivalent is what people would look at.
It was one of those, and I mean it was. It wasn't to that level totally Monday night, but it was it was fairly close to it because when you when you're out there, you're that shorthanded.
And again, we don't want to make excuses, but it is what it is. You look at it on paper and you see where all these players were on the depth chart going into training camp. Some of them were not even on the depth chart. These guys were not even a couple of them might not have been in the organization. So you're talking about organization, yeah yeah, so and organiz.
So you're talking about, you know, really scraping as much as you can. So you know, I'm not a moral victory guy, but I almost feel for Rattler because it's like, man, you just don't know how good he might be, Candy would be if he had frontline guys, but you're just not going to find out because it's been.
That kind of season.
I mean, he's taking it well. I have to comment him with him standing up there last night and the way he's handled it all, he could be really frustrated and he didn't really put the blame anywhere else but himself. What did you make of the run game by the Saints, Because I mean, you knew Kendrey Miller was kind of all you got, but then as the game went on, you kept seeing Jordan Mimms get the ball more.
Well, Green Bay said, Okay, we've seen this Ken Dream Miller guy. We've seen some tape on him, so we're going to take him away because they don't have frontline receivers and they got a rookie quarterback, so we feel like we can blitz or we can make it exotic and we can mix it up and we can beat the front line and we can stop the run.
So basically they took that away. So I think the Saints pretty.
Much had to go to Jordan Mimers because when they did it, he was productive a couple of times, and you got to kind of ride the hot hand, so to speak, especially when you're down. You know you're down, you're down fourteen nothing before you can almost exhale.
Then they score on the top three.
Possessions in one of those I think was a ninety six yard drive like seventeen plays, and maybe that was the second one where you know your defense can't get off the field.
Your offense is standing over on the.
Sidelines just waiting, and it's one of those where you know, Jordan Mems goes out there, he gives you a little something and you look around and say, okay, maybe we got to ride this a little bit.
But and also you got to factor in.
I think there was some some issues with protections in terms of running backs with Spencer Rallery last night. So you got to get somebody out there who you know, if they're going to be sending extra people, your running backs got to know who to pick up.
He's got to know who to block. You can't have your guys just out there, you.
Know, and they're sending the blitz and they're coming off the edge and they're coming clean routinely, and you're depending on Spencer Rallery to make not just one guy missed, but maybe have to make two guys missing.
And that's unfair to put on Spencer Ratler as a rookie.
So you got to get somebody out there who And Jordan Memmes has actually probably been in this system this season longer than Kendre Miller because he's really he's been healthy, so he knows the blitz pickup schemes and he knows how you know, he knows this offense a little bit better probably than Kendrick. So you've got to accommodate for that. When you've got a rookie quarterback out there who needs all the protection he can possibly get and he's not receiving it. And it's Monday night football in Green Bay, you know, you know, really not breathing smoke because it was just cold.
But we like, hey, we got us one.
We can rattle him and there, and they're doing everything they can to make sure they get him on the ground and beat him up defensively.
The Saints allow thirty four points those three touchdowns on the first three drives by Green Bay, but then they hold him to two field goals in the second half. Leek Willis comes in backup quarterback late in the game and scores another touchdown. But it did seem like the defense, I don't know, locked in a little bit more in the second half. We're playing things a little bit better.
Yeah, But you know, that's one of those where it's kind of hollow because how much of that is Green Bay saying, okay, we're up twenty one nothing.
We don't want to make sure. You want to make sure we keep everybody safe.
We want to stay healthy, right, Josh Jacobs wasn't playing anymore.
Yeah, we're going to get a little bit more conservative because you know, we've kind of accomplished the goal and they're looking at this and they're looking across the field saying, you know what, we don't think that team can score twenty two and a half. So you know, you're Green Bay, you know, like, okay, we can run it a little bit more because they did that in the second half.
They ran a lot more with the backup running back. As you mentioned Josh Jacobs on the on the sideline.
Josh Jacob, thank god he went out of the game because it seemed like he broke fifty tackles during the game.
And so the defense, I don't know that. I don't think the defense takes any solace.
In this one because I mean, when you're on the field for a touchdown drive and they go seventeen plays ninety six yards and take nine minutes off the clock, they have pretty much done what they want against you. Because if you're a defense, you're saying, okay, we want to make them take the long, hard road. We figure they'll make a mistake somewhere along the way and we'll be able to get the field.
Well, it was seventeen plays in nine minutes. Seventeen plays. That's a lot in any game. That's a lot. And it didn't look like the Saints. I mean, they got him into some third down situations, but i mean Dreamway was real confident. They were like, okay, we're okay, we can get this. And then they got him in a couple of fourth down situations in the package, like okay, fourth and one, we got this.
Yeah, there were three for three on fourth down.
Yeah, so it's one of those situations where you know, the Saints defense just didn't didn't put up on a night where if they if the Saints were going to win this game, the defense had to win it. They had to win it, and they didn't put up. They didn't they didn't account for themselves well at all.
Yeah, there was an almost interception. Colin Saunders had a great tip and he tipped it back to himself, but then there was a collision there and it looked like Alonte Taylor was trying to go for the ball as well, and it ended up on the ground.
Yeah, one of those nobody fault kind of plays. I mean, made a great play to bat it up in the air. He's probably gonna pick it.
Now.
We say probably because they got the interception against Kansas City on Monday night, so we feel like he's.
Going to get really yeah.
Yeah, And it just would have been great to see the big guy get one and rumble again. But the Alante sees a free ball and Alonte is like, hey, you know, free ball, you know, ball ball ball, and everybody's.
Going at it.
But it you know that that kind of encapsualized the whole defensive game because it's like, here's a free ball, here's a chance with the Saints to get it, and they can't come up with it clean and Green Bay gets another bite at it. So you know, whether whether it was a punt or whether it was another play, it was like Saints defense could have had a turnover, could have given the offense the ball in great position if they get to if they get to pick clean, maybe they get some positive yards out of them, maybe they even ramble into the end zone with it.
But it's one of those where you.
Know, you looked at it and it's like, you know what that's kind of appropriate for this game. That's kind of what this game's been.
The moment that you could say that on the offensive side was when Spencer Ratler had that jump ball to Dante Pettis. It was an amazing throw, but then the next throw is an interception.
Yeah, I mean, you know that's and that's kind of the rookie peering through the rookie window. You make a fantastic play on a play that's you know, basically you make out of nothing, and you know how many passes are guys able to make with both feet off the ground, and he's not in any he's not in any kind of fundamental position to make that throw.
Just total arm throw, just arm talent. It was one of those where you know, it was like, wow, what in the world was that, even.
Though it's not a touchdown, but it's like, man, that's spectacular. And then he comes back and he makes the poor read on the on the interception, where you know, that's the spectrum that you get with a rookie.
I guess.
Yeah, there were moments like that that you said, well, yeah, I mean that's kind of how this game is going. I think early on in the game, you could kind of tell just the talent disparity. Green Bay was doing everything that they wanted, Sans couldn't get anything going. Where do you go from here? You got two more games.
Well, you're playing a Raiders team that that unfortunately for the Saints, I guess hadn't quit because they just won their last game. Yeah, you know they're gonna limp in here and they're gonna be looking at the you know, they're gonna be looking at the off season schedule and where they're going on vacation, but they have not quit.
So it's a situation where now if.
Derek Carr is not able to play, and we've got to remind folks, Dereck Carr technically remains in concussion protocol because he has so he's gonna have to practice. Once he does practice, you have to determine whether he can secure the football with his left hand, whether he can protect himself number one, and whether he can secure the football. I guess you could play the entire game in the shotgun.
You could. It's been done before.
But at some point that quarterback is gonna get hit and he's gonna have to brace himself when he falls, and so can Dereck Carr protect him self, you know, in that situation. And now you're talking about Derek Carr, who has not practiced for but we're leaning into three weeks pretty much, so you're talking about Derek Carr having to go out there and establish hopefully some chemistry with some guys that he has not been throwing the football too.
He has not been practicing with, so you lean that into it. And now you know, I guess I'm not would and hope that Eric McCoy can play. If Eric McCoy's not playing, now you're talking about another adjustment on the offensive line.
And as far as I can remember, this team did not win a game where Eric McCoy was injured and didn't play. And then on Monday Night Football he gets injured and you lose that one thirty four nothing. But you know it has not been a good run of it when Eric McCoy has not been on the field for this team at center. So you add Derek Carr and that mix, and we know he wants to play. Nobody questions Derek Car's heart. We don't question, you know, his desire And look, now I think there should be less questions about Derek mccle Derek Carr's execution because his ability, because you know, sometimes they folks be careful what you wish for, okay, because you know, and we've been trying to save this entire season.
Derek Carr is a good quarterback.
You know, there are very few you know, I hate to throw names out, There are very few Josh Allens and Patrick Mahomes's and Lamar Jackson's in the world, much less in the NFL. So dere Derek Carr has played really good football at times for the Saints. Has played really good football at times for the Saints this season.
Yeah. In fact, I think Darren Rizzy picked it that pointed out Derek Carr is three and one as the quarterback with Darren Rizzy as an interim coach, and he's completed like sixty eight percent of his passes, So there's some effectiveness there. Getting them back on the field will be of some solace. But you got to have back out there, and you got to hope that you get Alvin Kamara back out there with Alvin status. Yeah, you got to hope you get Marquez Valdez.
Scantling back out there, and his was his absence was do more injury related than illness related, So you know, if he's injury related, can he get back on the field again.
So yeah, it'll be good to have Derek Carr back out there.
Somebody else that's going to be playing against a former team as Foster Morrow, and I think he honestly has had the most consistent season. He's played really well. He's made plays in each game. I think you kind of get a little more juiced up playing against your former team, obviously here in the Superdome. So what are you expecting from Foster on Sunday?
Is a juice guy all the time, right, you know, he's kind of a niacle at times, but.
Yeah, his production is gone up and there's no couisident. He works at it.
He's been a reliable target for the quarterbacks and he's made some acrobatic They two catches some thirty three yards on Monday night against Green Bay, but one of those was a fantastic catch down the middle where he's got to go up in traffic and they kind of fit it in and he makes the play out of it. He basically made Spencer Ratler right because it was one of those throws that easily could have been a pick, so.
Him going out there.
At least you've got something that seems like a security blanket for the quarterback, whether that be Spencer Rattler or is Derreck Carr. But at least you have somebody out there that you feel like is pretty reliable, and they've gotten some reliable production. It seems like out of the tight end the last few games, and they're going to have to have a lot more of it, probably because you don't have your receivers, So you better have some production from somewhere. If you don't feel like you can get it from the running backs, and you don't necessarily know if you can. If you don't feel like you can get it from the receivers, you don't necessarily know if you can. You're throwing some guys out there hoping to get some production. Then it's going to have to come from somewhere, and looks like it might have to be the tight end. And Foster a Row has been that guy for this team, you know, lately, and hopefully he can keep it up against his old team.
How difficult do you think it's going to be this week with the schedule, because you had the Monday night game they have Christmas Day off, you're not doing much today. It's a short week. It's already a short week, and it's kind of shorter with the holiday.
Yeah, I mean, it's it's one of those where you got to get guys off their feet. You got to get them rested, you got to get them prepared for the next game. You got to get them recuperated and recovered.
As much as you possibly can.
How do you do that and still give them the proper information to be able to execute on a Sunday with a game plan.
So it's a fine line. And you know, fortunately we don't have to walk up.
But I'm sure you know, even though the players aren't going to be in the building the next two days, I'm sure the coaches will be. They'll be burning them atnight oil and I say that, but there are going to be some players who are going to be in there because these guys applied. They'll be in there and they'll do some film study, probably even on Christmas morning or Christmas evening evening. They won't take it completely off because there's a game to be one in regardless of what your record.
Is right now, says to five and ten and they're not going to the playoffs and they know it.
But you've got guys in there who are pros to the end, who you know, the Mario Davis said, look, you got to play for something bigger than yourself when you're in these situations, and.
You do have to.
You got to know there are guys in there who work, and nobody expects to be five and ten.
Nobody put in five and ten quote unquote work during the week. Everybody feels like the more I work, we're going to turn this around, we're going to get.
The result we want. And when you don't get it, it's it's really devastating emotionally because you got to go back to the bottom of the mountain and try to climb it again.
So I can see from that standpoint, but.
These guys applyde So none of these guys are accustomed to losing. None of these guys grew up losing, you know, whether they're in you know, bitty ball or Little.
League, or whether you want to call it park ball.
They didn't lose in junior high, they didn't lose in high school. They probably didn't lose in college. And now you get to the NFL and you have this experience and it's tough to deal with and it starts snowballing on you, but deep down, you're still the guy that made it to the NFL a lot of them against a decent amount of odds, and you get into the NFL and you're not accustomed to lose, and so you don't want to swallow that.
So hopefully it's one of those things where you know, you got two games left.
You're playing a bad team and the Raiders, let's be honest, but you got two games left, and you've got surpride about it. You want to have a good shorting because no matter what anybody says, the film is still rolling. The results still matter, and somebody is evaluating you, whether it's your organization or another organization that might want to delve into you next year.
Somebody's looking at film. So what you put on film is who you are.
In the NFL. So you know, like I said to Mario, say, hey, you're playing for something bigger than yourself. Well, you might be playing for you, playing for your teammates, You're playing for you know, extending your career.
You're playing for wanting to go out right this season. You're playing because.
You want to give the Saints fans something to take into the off season decent in their mouth. I mean, this has been a really difficult season because we remember this, we're talking about the team that started to and oh yeah, and oh so that's three and ten since then.
Yeah, it was definitely, i want to say, a polar opposite. So the way that the season started and the way it's felt at times, it was really everybody was really happy, excited, high on things going to the super Bowl, and now it's been it's been difficult, and I'm sure the fans have had a hard time with that. It's it's funny that you mentioned you got to find something else to play for. But listening to the pregame show last night on the radio with Duce McAllister and Mike Hoss, Deuce was saying that at this point you're playing for a job, which is a tough way to put it. But as you mentioned, you know you are kind of auditioning every in this league for where you're at or another team. So whatever gets you going, Hopefully we can see that on Sunday. I know Spencer Ratler mentioned that you know you want to leave, like you said, the fans with something in the last home game at least when, hopefully and they're home games on a high note with the win on Sunday, then you will have one more left at Tampa Bay after the new year. I don't think that this team has ever lacked effort. It's something that all the players and coach Rizzy have all said as well that people are still fighting, they're still trying, and they still care, and they're still in this for each other. So hopefully, you know, they can get some things worked out this week and we can come out on the high note on Sunday.
Yeah. I need to finish off the right way at home hopefully, and then you know, what happens in the all season, happens in.
The all season, but the all season, and here yet you still got two games. You still got two games you get paid to play, and you got two games that you really need to be fresh all about.
So hopefully that's one of those things that they can actually do with in these last two games.
Yeah.
Well, JD, thank you so much for the time. Enjoy your holiday and I will see you soon.
All right, We'll see you.
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