Nerdificent Best of 2019 Part 1

Published Dec 31, 2019, 11:00 AM

Part 1 of the 'Best of 2019' Clip Show! Happy New Year!

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Hey, what's up, nerd fam? How you doing? It is December thirty one, New Year's Eve, and I just want y'all know we are thinking about you, but also we are busy party and traveling, so we're gonna hit you with some of the best of this year's ner defficent to fill that void before you go party tonight. So enjoy. I mean, I guess you will just jump right into it. For anybody who's never heard of it or don't know what what we're talking about, what is Afro anime? Well, um, it's really based on like the first part of the word afro, So like when people hear afro enemy, you don't want to think about a frow like a hair. Afro's more about that inspired by Africa, taking me from the African lands. So if you're talking about fighting with the Bens, you're gonna look at African weapons. If you're talking about martial arts, you're not gonna see uh jiu jitsu, You're gonna see like lamb or um some sent other Senegal wrestling techniques, You're gonna see African techniques. And that's the afro so basically African inspired in terms of lore techniques, magic juju in an anime kind of medium, which is like you know, when someone's angry, you have that not on the head, you know, powering up some of those things. It's a you know, we in creating the name, it was kind of like it's very much African and die sport, but we we also are going to give you know, shouts out to the people that kind of you know, brought us to the genre, like you know, So it wasn't like we're going to create a name that completely like disregards the contribution of those who did amazing work and anime that got us even thinking about creating stories in this media. Um, we're gonna create a name that okay, shows show some love, but then very much lets you know, this is Afro anime. This is uh, we're gonna tell stories through the African lens. Right. So I used to always say that, you know, when you're painting, you have this like you know, your oils and all that, and so anime is kind of like that you have always always, But what you're drawing is the continent. You're drawing certain themes in the continent Pan African, specifically Nigerian, specifically from Kenya, specifically these different ethnic groups spirits. So when you're talking about you know, Nato has the nine tails, we have a tortoise. You know when we when we you know, shout out to a Nancy. You know what's talking about when we talk about Nancy, you know what we're talking about West African thing, So you know that's sort of what Afro anime is. What were some of the because um, you both grew up watching anime, what were some of the titles? I guess that really got you interested in moving into animation. I mean I got it first and foremost. Give a shout out to whoever made the decision um on Cartoon Network to create. Know, you don't realize how you've affected an entire culture of people. I'm talking about from hip hop to like animation to even comedy. It's so much ingrained into the culture. I just heard this new artist, UM don't know, something like that or the Stallion, and she had a bar that was like hair yellow light go. I was like, see this is what I'm talking about, Like we know where this came for us, So shout out to Tonomi, like I don't know, we used to rush and get our homework done just so we can get in at that primetime hour from DBZ, from Gundam Wing to Cowboy Beb, Samurai Jack, like Ronie Ketchen. That was like like introduction and then we were like we started getting on the internet more and we're like, wait a minute, there's more. Sometimes you gotta get it. But that was the only way we could get it. And then getting your family involved, like that's the funny thing. That's one thing we made a mistake a little bit. Then enduring community is huge, huge, huge. I mean the Black dives sport community is huge there they're looking for that. This is the time before podcast, this era when we did this Kickstarter, this is a time before podcast and content push, so it was it was just a different time before the Facebook girls even came out and all that. So really your community was was critical. Well, if I can just jump in for the time you're talking about is very interesting because I feel like now black nerdiness is very mainstream. But there was a moment not too long ago where black people on Twitter figured out that we all liked DBS for some reason. We all thought we separately liked it, and we didn't. But you had the same dudes who was jigging dudes you know who were also into d b z yeayeah and so like exploded online and right around the time that now we hear it in music and all that. But there was a time when we all thought it was like our little corner and it wasn't as like in Vogue or cool to just flaunt your nerdiness. So now we I think we are in an era now where people are super seeking it out too, especially when you got taste of it like Afro Samurai and Boondocks. I know, people, there's something you you touched on that I think is is really important. I want to highlight because it's something we've talked about in the past episodes where Hollywood, especially coming from this personal spot in Hollywood, is there is a regurgitation of just the same eurocentric stories. And then I think you were right. You did see that trend. You had Coco, you had Book of Life, and even then we're slowly getting but it's slow. It's afraid because like because they don't know these stories. So it's either they're waiting for a Latinox creator to come and bring it or still it. You know what we're saying, Like all the way funky. You know, as I get older, get a road in age. You know, something you know I see among a lot of my you know, ethno peers is their relationship with their ethnicity. And you know, my mom's from Louisiana, my dad's from Nigeria, and you know, my dad gives me what it gives me. But like you know, the way I grew up, I was never surrounded by a lot of other Nigerians. Like you know, we went to the association meetings board out of your mind. You gotta break it down. Association. So Nanginian is like to meet in big organizations men and women. They call associations associations with this so we're very You could be three years old and you know how to conduct a meeting because you like in no corporate meetings, nothing compared to what I have to sit through. You know. Let's we've been talking about Afro anime and there are certain things that stuck out to people as Afro anime. And you know, there's there's something we talked about during the break that I want to hear you display for all the listeners. But also why I think that's a good thing because you almost said it like it was negative, but I think it's a good thing. So we're gonna talk about Afro Samurai and the Boondocks, which are like the two I think closest things people will think of if they're like Afro Animates, no doubt. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem if you google, if you google it, but real quick, I will start by saying the good Yeah, I'll start by saying the good. Um. Shout out to Aaron McGruder. I don't think he realizes what it meant to young black kids who had a newspaper in their hand and will go to the comics section and see representation. Can we just take I'm gonna just take two seconds to really land on that, because you are so right. I would because I would run into the Sunday Funnies and you know, first we had that one. For better or worse I think it was. And shout out to him too. I'm not gonna talk, but when I saw boon Docks, that changed my life because not only was it the black Man, but it also had an anime style to it. So I was like, I'm in because you know, really truly like too, because before that, like Animates, me was just you know your dbcs. You show Tinchi Muio so to see like an Afro done in an anime style. It just opened my eyes to a new world. So yes, your I totally know, Like that is the good of being Like, oh you change my world. That's the best thing I'm gonna say. And then that can I start so here you is? So first of all, to start with boondogs now, I mean, and I do this with African futurism. Now, if you represent just the continent, you actually represent the largest amount of black people in the world period. So that representation is actually small by buondos, actually does not represent the Dia spore. Like if you would actually start from continent with perspective just by numbers, game, yeah that's number one. Number two is like boom Docks had this thing where like like what's that? What's that? One? Um dude with the like like like why would I create a character give life to an imaginary character that hates on his own people? I can't do it? Like no, this is very important, Like you got to understand the power of media. Yeah, you gotta understand the power of media. This already is in our community. It's already there. Now we have a name for them. And my my take on that is that because you it would do a disservice for what Boon Docks was doing, because yeah, we created Uncle ruck Is, but we still have Sheriff Clark out there. We still got what what about the Ben Carson? No this this just hurts to say because he's my man. But like right now in this yeah, you know we have those. So like I think that put like a word because there is this idea it of like you know, I know there's this idea that like, you know, I feel like it is something to like he was speaking to like this type of person that we always see. And I think it's because like Boondocks is like specific, but I think that still drives home your point that it's only covering the small aspect of it. I'm the biggest, biggest, biggest. I don't know what I want to say I say, I don't want to say. I guess proponent, but I guess, like I say this a lot where there's truth to let that media you're controlling, and there was a point where, like you know, you did have certain folks you know, Um, I don't think I need to say which folks who would take that character and really like him for the wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's that Dave Chappelle off camera left. Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, So, so, like I that is extremely valid, But that was the main thing, like you said, like you have characters that can easily become these like caricatures. It got really hyper and like that's what I'm saying, Like you know, you had your Hui, but he was dipped in Japanese philosophy, you know, Like it was like I couldn't like those things, like like we're again having this one individual of African descent fully involved in Japan full like as if we eables your boss, Uh, how about something, how some massaia you can keep going who don't have traditions that are really powerful that can help you navigate the streets of whatever. And then so a lot of those things like they kind of show this kind of depiction that to me was very much, very close to what's that dude media type individual. Yeah, I put that in the and I put in the same class because that's the thing is like like the frow like like that's it. And and the corn Rows, Like there's some just like literally with African futurism and all these like what we're trying to do in independent creators are trying to do. It's like even hair. Hair is the most political thing that literally we have so many different styles. Now whenever we try to have a character draw draw one of our characters, they draw Kiwe remember of that. Yeah, there was just to kind of take you back when earlier when I talked about how everyone had to go through Obie's regiment of reading African literature. We had to deconstruct a lot of our artists, a lot of our artists who we worked with, you know, they were taught Western styles, maybe Japanese styles, so when we brought them to an African story, they would bring that with them and we had to literally break that because there would be a situation where there's a full description of how this character is supposed to look, and the artists would come back with this random, uh stock African mask, not even African masks, like a tiki mask on the arm, and then some Hughey type hair and we're like and no shirt, Like wait, that's where did you get this from? And they're like, oh, this is like, it's an African character, Like did you read the description? And then with one of our other characters, we had to actually stop one of our artists because we realized every scene the character was getting lighter and lighter and lighter, to the point where I was like, whoa, bro, what is what is going on? And he was like, oh um, I don't don't. He couldn't even answer me. He didn't he didn't even realize what was just and like what was internal? Well, yeah, that's totally systematic, and you see it all the docks is part of that system that sime and even depiction of black women. Let's talk about that Bundogs like like Bundogs is not is not it? In terms of like I'm being real, like, like, is there any depictions of black women that y'all that y'all could like vibe with in Budogs? I have to go exactly exactly exactly, you ain't gonna get me before I look at I do want to say we've we I mean, if he and I have had these conversations that unfortunately also a lot of times, when you are the first, you bear the weight of your entire community. Well, here's the thing is that And here's one where I'm going to come in for aaron, just for a bit. We are blessed that we we we and we have to admit that the three Nigerian sitting at the table, knowing like our culture where we from all those things, we have to remember that a lot of African Americans aren't blessed with that information, and so they have to go off of what they grew up doing. And I think that's why it's Afros and uh and I think it's corn rows and I think like the the the caricature nous of it, that whole show is talking very specific and I think you're right in due time, especially now if you look at that compared to what we see in Black Panther, the the diversity in only clothing. Like I almost wept when I saw for the first time on the big screen the clothes we see growing up display that being said, Riley is a specific black person. Pewee is a very specific Black verson, even who Cedric yarbrowers character uh the like whitewash black Tea. It is a show of yeah, I mean and right there in the name, it is a show of caricatures. And I think that was and I think the I think it wasn't for us in the sense of like, like, I guess we should have mentioned that this is a spoiler. This is going to be spoiler heavy for a Game of Thrones if you haven't seen it. It's kind of hard to tackle the series as we go into season by season without spoiling something. So if that does bother you and you're planning to, I don't know, catch it and binge it before it comes out this weekend, you might wanna take a not a nightcap. You might want a nightcap and also rain check. That's the word I was looking for. If you're going back to what you were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think the fact that it is so grounded in kind of reality and the politics of it all is what brings in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning, they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're all pready invested in the reality of that world, so they're more apt to believe, oh crap, there's dragons, you know. That's that's a good point because there are like I have talked to friends who are trying to get their friends into the show now, and it's kind of being that same argument. Was like, oh, you mean the Dragon Show. And I was like to call it the Dragon show when we have waited and worked so hard to to to get to the dragons. It's like that is true. Well, and you know, right before so if we're talking about the show right before Game of Thrones, that slot was True Blood and I grew up like I was watching True Blood, same thing. Yeah, vampires, a lot of sex. Yes, that's how they got people in. I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow, this is how much of a hyper nerd. I was just like, oh, you get to see rogues boobs. I mean, but I agree because so I remember like every oh yeah, everyone in my family watched it. I remember like my I would go over and watch it with my cousin and her husband and it was like, so, I don't know, so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy and that type of stuff, like that type of lure. And I think because they kind of made it like oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash drama slash just skinn of max essentially is what helps get it get it in, and truple had actually comes down a bit after that first season. That first season is but it got hello magical, but women come yea, the sex came down, and then it was like fairies and all that. You know, any of those Sukie Stackhouse books, so very similar to the Game of Thrones. The books are like those books are like you know, you're they're very lots of sex scenes, very very into it. Like it wasn't quite shades of it wasn't quite there, but it definitely was like the book club was like, oh, we're gonna read about this type of stuff. And I only knew about it because I was funny enough. True Blood was deep into my headspace because the person I was dating at the time was a big fan of the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan, and you know, she was from Utah, so you know, that was real spicy out there. They're like, hold up, hold up, We're getting getting a little taste there. So yeah, that's and I think, yeah, the same thing where you just ground it in enough reality and kind of almost in the same way the m CU kind of pulls in regular people where you just kind of find that other genre. So there is this at its core if you eject all of the magic. Game of Thrones is a show about politics, and I think True Blood was about kind of like a soap opera that but like that, I don't. I hate using the term because we kind of I want to say, like high soap soap opera, because there are like soap opera s shows that seem more mainstream than actual soap operas. But I think it's you just call it soap opera because you know the new thing that was saying with movies like Hereditary and and Us, should there be a term called elevated horrors? Like no, it's horror. It's the same horror. Just because you feel smarter doesn't mean you have to char and alienate people when you like it. So that's why I was against calling it like high soap opera, but like, yeah, that's soap opera. Yeah. But you're right, Danny, that that show ended, and it left the people that watched True Blood with horn am I going to do on Sunday nights? I was one of those people. I mean, I watched True Blood to the end even though I was like, this show is not good anymore, and I don't care. I'm still watching it, And yeah, then what am I going to do with my Sunday nights boom game of Throat? So moving on to season three, pretty brutal, pretty brutal, you know, just the Red Wedding, No big deal. So yeah, Season three brings the Red Wedding, which I think was another moment for people, like Ned's execution, where you're like, oh man, they can totally slaughter all the guys and wherever I thought this story was going, yes it's not. Oh boy. That was one of the most there's nothing better than your book smugness, you know when when that because like everyone who read the book knew it was coming, and so like when people were freaking out over like Nettos, you ain't even ready, You ain't even right because even in the book it's so it really I didn't I'd never watch Red reading. I only read it. Reading it, it really sets you up. You really think, oh, this is the moment they're coming together, We're about the Vultron and take over and everything just goes south. Yeah, and I imagine the show set the same thing up, especially because once again, the I think the popularity of Game of Thrones is it subverts our expectation of how heroes fight villains and how it's supposed to work, and the Red Wedding is one of the biggest brutal. I think it's so cool though, that that will ever be in pop culture history, right, wedding even if you're not a game of throat, Like you know what it's from and you know what it stands for, like what it means. I just think that's so cool to have like forever altered film and media or like media history. Yeah, the Red Wedding is a big freaking deal, and I do think that it hit all the show hatchers by sermon. It was super fun to because how many people was like, I'm never watching, like you ever watching again. I was actually watching it with Meg Tourney, who I don't know if either of you know Meg, but she was one of my old co hosts on Source fed Nerd, and she hadn't read the books and I had, and so we're watching it and she's like on her phone and I'm like, hey, hey, pay attention right now, pay attention. You're gonna want to see this. And I wish that I had figured reaction because she lost her mind. Um, but yeah, that's that's how every was. And I giggled like a fool watching people's reactions online because well, because I went through it too, I went through years earlier when I read it. In the books, there is always something too, of like reading something shocking because you're like, h turn page. Oh my god, what turn the page. What is this? I remember reading it when I was on lunch break from a job and I was like almost at the end of my thirty minutes, and I was like, no, no, I must keep reading. Not done yet. And I really want to touch on what Danny said, because I think that is true. That is such a big moment, and it's something that when you can have one phrase or one word that will let everyone know, like people who probably don't even watch Game of Thrones know what the Red Wedding was because it just blew up the internet, so everyone had to find out what this thing was. Uh, And moments like that are interesting because like I never watched the Star Wars trilogy growing up. I just you know, that just wasn't nothing. My dad showed me because he never cared about it. And I watched it maybe five or six years ago and It was interesting watching the movie knowing everything that was gonna I knew that Darth Vader was Luke's father. I knew that, but to watch it play out it was cool to even see things where I was like, oh, that's where that's from. Yeah, that is cool. That's super cool. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of theories and what some people have as expectations for what this season could entail. Do either of you have any theories or guesses of what you you think John's taking it all and I think John's taking it all and it's going to reset or we're gonna have one huge apocalyptic event. And my big hail Mary is that Brand's gonna go back in time and Ned starts going to say, no, I don't want to go to King's Landing and nothing. What They're going to be able to defend it because Ned, because remember Ned believed in protecting the Wall, so they'll they'll defend it because Ned will send the required forces. It's just gonna reset everything where it's just gonna be like you remember what was that one? I forget? It was a horror movie where like every time you made her wish it would go bad and then like you were tortured in the end of the movie where she was like, I wish that one driver wasn't drunk on the job and nothing ever happened there you go. I mean, we could have something like that. There's a big theory that Brand is actually the Night King because he tries to go back in time to be the guy that is the guy that's turned into the Night King um and then get stuck in that body and turn into the Night King. So there's two brands coexisting simultaneously. But we have no reason to believe that two brands can coexist simultaneously, which is kind of the debunk for that theory, if you will. But there's a lot of people in the Brand is the Night King camp or that Brand is going to become the Night King, because why is the Night King so intent on killing the Three Eyed Raven? We don't know. I just don't want anything to happen to Danny. I feel very connected to her as we share the same name, and I played her in a Game of Thrones roast at Meltdown, which I think might be up on YouTube somewhere. I hope you're enjoying these dope apps. But even when it's a flashback clip episode. We still need to pause for a break, so we'll see when we get back. All right, welcome back to the best of Nerdificent, Part one. I hope you're enjoying it. Let's get back to the hits and can you describe what? Yes? Okay? Um, So Hector actually has flash cards like trading cards, trading cards of every character. I kid you, not every character that has ever appeared in the m c U, including side people that got killed in three seconds. Um, they're all here and he is placing them all out right now on our large desk. Um, so this is we have the ancient one I'm trying to look for, like a in the Alexander here's deceased. Oh yeah, and he has decimated next to Peter Parker. Um, that is that what we're calling the dustin. That's what Marvel's calling it is the decimation. Okay, Well, let's take a quick second before we jump into this. There's two things I want to do. First. Up top. You might be listening as wondering, is this like another recap. It's like no, this is more of a hype episode as of right now. This Friday question Mark, Well, I will as you're listening to this. I saw it last night at the premiere in case I died, and this is the last recording of my voice I did. I did die out on top. So as of right now, this Friday end game is coming out and this is just us kind of talking about our favorite moments. Really just a hype episode, as you know, you know, you don't need a structure to everything. That's you know, that's that's that's what what fascist want, uh true, this is just a pure hype episode and also just to catch up and what better way, this is the perfect way to book in the last episode, we did what we did, run through each m c U. However, there were two movies that happened between the last episode we have You and now, so before we even jump into our favorite moments, let's kind of talk about what happened and how we felt about them. Because because because because we're counting Infinity War too, because we didn't guess, yeah, we didn't talk about it, so three movies between that. So after our episode, Infinity War came out and that this was It's funny because I feel like everyone at this table had strong emotions about it. I were we in the Did we watch it together, Danny, I think we watched it together. Yeah, yeah, you watched it before me and then again with I feel like I invited I have invited you to like every premiere, but you were you like had rooms you were writing it. YEA, yeah, I know I was busy. I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to blast you or anything. I was just as asking. So I remember that movie was a wild ride. That the Infinity War was the morning I think about. It was such a wild ride and everything it introduced. I feel like it did flawlessly, and just the ending, even though you kind of felt something like that, like I didn't know the decimation was gonna happen, but I knew something that would be such a huge cliffhanger since they was gonna be two parts was gonna happen, and it happened, and even the way it happened kind of just shook everything up because they really did get us. They hit us with the debate there, because you get Fanos getting axed and we're like, oh, we actually did do it or did it yeah? And then it was like gotcha snappy snap. It was Um. That movie is amazing and it's such a fun like and then at the end gets depressing, but it's still such a fun ride, is how you put it. I think it's a perfect way to describe it, if because it's just like it's just a huge victory lab form Marvel. It's just them going look at ten years of characters that we built up that like, you care about a talking raccoon, you care about Ok, yeah, you just met her in the last movie. You just met and Baku in the last movie. You're gonna be stoked to see him show up, you know, on the field. And and it was it handled. It juggled characters and storylines so well. It carried over tones from from previous movies like Thor Ragnock, which you finally got around to seeing and you did you dig it of course great? So like that that ty y t t sort of version of Thor pretty much carried through into Infinity War. But it was also still like the Mighty like it. Not that Ragnock Thor is any different, but this was like that Thor. And then all of his family gets killed at the beginning, and now now what are the stakes and what does he have to deal with um? And it was, um, it was mind blowing, and then easily became my favorite movie in the franchise thus far. Again, I don't think it's the best one. But you have to judge these movies on a couple of different things, and one of the things you cannot ignore is like they're all building on one another. They're able to do a thing that not a lot of movie franchise is barely any in fact, are able to pull off so flawlessly, and even though they have flaws, they correct, the course, correct and they just kind of keep going. So that yeah, Infinity War is not a normal movie. It is a movie that takes place after ten years of building one or two or three movies a year about audio media on on YouTube, I'm holding up a picture of Carol Dann also made a billion dollars. A billion dollars. Hector has been punctuating his statements with characters that it's not about you, and I held up a picture of the ancient one from that no one saw it, but yeah, no, this is let's yeah, we have one more movie. Homely mom. I was I loved it so cool much. I mean, everyone had like certain gripes, but there are certain things that made me love it so much, Like that moment at the end, I mean, at this point, you know we're in sport. Look listen where she stands out the moment, which where I think the moment after that when that guys like all right Mona LiMnO, which is such a classic movie trope, and her just blasting him, I'm like, thank you, because every time that had in the movie, I just want that to happen, and also for it to also have this meaning because you know that that was like a spoiler that was just definitely mirroring all this, all those like all right, guys to AOC's talking about debate me, It's like, no, I have nothing to prove to you. I'm in office, you're a TV talking head. What what do I get out of debating you. I think it's pretty cool to see a big movie, superheran movie like this. The past couple of movies have provided me with some of my favorite movies and favorite moments. Um. I've been rewatching stuff like Thor Ragnarok, Black Panther, like these movies are really I'm like loving more and more and more. And Captain Marvel is going to be one of those where I think it's a big deal that we saw a woman actually say that in a movie like this, this genre, to go, I have nothing to prove to you. To say that to a man. That might not be a big deal to a lot of dudes, but I feel like it's gonna be a big deal to a lot of young women to see that, to go, oh, I can just say that great. So my biggest issue was people comparing it to Wonder Woman. I'm like, they are literally not the same at all. They don't have the same origin story, they don't have the same like characters, Like they're not even from one. Wonder Woman was a period piece in my opinion, it was a war movie. It's like, not the same at all. And Kevin Faiki said, no, we're going to go in with her already with Captain Marvel already having her powers, and like it just it was so I'm like, that actually shows me that you're not as well versed in comics. If you're trying to compare to randomly just because they're women, that's the only thing you have to compare it. I think I think it's a it's a frequent thing um people that are upset that the status quo is being challenged. Whether they know it or not, they subconsciously do that. They'll pick a thing against another thing. I'm a big trekky and every time I talk about how I'm really enjoying Star Trek Discovery, then you show people always jump in and let me know, a it's not as good as The Orville, And I'm going, well, then do you really like the Orville? Are you really learning lessons on like how to be a better person from shows like that or are you just trying to dunk on my thing, you know, and make yourself feel better about your thing, like by pitting two against each other when you don't really have to do that. When the new Star Trek show was announced and it was going to have a black female lead, I saw a lot of people online go, yeah, well Deep Space nine did it, and I'm like, yeah, that was twenty years ago. We're not done, you know, making movies with black leads or making shows with black lead just because they did it and it were premiered in like Blade movies are done. Blade movies are great, and we should give credit to Blade for being the sort of the movie that really jump started Hollywood going let's make a bunch of superhero comic book movies. But Blade is not on my table right now, and that's a problem. So we need a new Blade, Like we're not done with black superhero characters just because three Blade movies were made. You know, for me, it was just like their Carol and Diana could not be more different, so to even their films shouldn't feel the same period. Their films shouldn't be the same. They're not the same character, and they don't. They only think the only thing that's the same is that they're both the first female character of a respective word. That's their thing. But it's like annoying to me that one had to be better than the other and all these conversations. So the same thing happened with She'sam because you know, she Zam used to be Captain Marvel. Oh, I like she's a better I like Captain Marvel better. It's like, shut up. I'm very happy that they that they both exist. I'm happy if they both exist, but that they all cheered each other on, like Gal Gadote cheered on um, Bree Larson like tweeted about it. You know, Brie Larson like cheered on Zachary Levi Zachary Levi cheered on Brie Larson, like, they're adults that are making a lot of money too, so they don't actually care about all of your growth. Yep. I like the bread crumbs, but a whole different set of breadcrumbs, because I sniffed those Civil War breadcrumbs from the jump, and because you know, it was so very similar to what happened in the comics Civil War just heroes trying to do some stuff causing mass, mass destruction and the government be like yep. And one thing I do like about Civil War, both in the comics and the movies, is it's the most grounded thing to ever happen in comics. Yeah, how long would this go down without the government trying to get involved? And I think it also flips it on on the viewers and the readers because when you on paper, you think Cat would be on the side of the government, and then it and him not being on the side of the government is such a strong message because everyone thinks that Cap is this agent of the government. He's like, no, he's an agent of good, which means that if the government is good, And also the fact that Cap is willing to go against the government is the most American thing he can do. And I think people often forget that. I feel like in the grand scope idea, Yeah, everyone thinks that, you know, patriotism is being subservient to whoever's in power in the government, and that is not the case. We were. We were built on, you know, defiance. So like the fact that it's like, no, this isn't right, this is not this is this is not good. I have to stand against it. And someone like Tony who has always been like the opposite where he doesn't like control, he doesn't like he is on the side of government because he's the status quo. Yeah, it's such a beautiful just even when he goes against the status quo, which is the first Iron like the beginning of him being Iron Man, where he's like, no, the suit and I are one. It's me. I don't trust anybody with my weapons except for me, he still has this mentality of like, well, how can I change the He's not trying to affect the status quo, he's just sort of controlling it on his own by you know, by his own means, do you know what I mean? Like and and in this movie, we can just skip aunt Man real quick. This is a great film. Aunt Man introduces us to Luise. But my favorite moment and aunt Man is where at the end of the film he goes, I love you, Cassie and then shrinks into the micro verse to kill the villain Yellow Jacket, or to destroy him, because then he gets trapped in that cool little crazy dimension he has to come back. Great little moment, but a little moment of self sacrifice from Scott Lang. But back the Civil War. Oh, I was just gonna say my question, because Civil War the comics came out in like two thousand six. I believe Um and Incredibles came out in two thousand four, and you're a big brad bird person, and I feel like those have similar It's kind of fascinating to me, like the government stepping in and saying, you superheroes are actually causing more harm than good. No more supers. Yeah, yeah, no more super That's also an idea from Watchman Alan Moore's six like and I think even in some Marvel, in some DC comics, even before Watchman, they sort of hinted at and explored at certain stuff. I know that maybe it was in the eighties two, but it was a superhero group in d C comics in World War Two active during World War Two, called the Justice Society of America. And then they revealed later that during the fifties, McCarthy is m forced them to hang up their cape because they didn't want to reveal their secret identities. And they were but you know, are you are you Commies? Are you Reds? And they're like, you know what this is? BS Like, we're gonna We're not gonna work for the government, We're gonna retire from being superheroes. So that so that idea has kind of been floating around. But really the Incredibles, you know, did a great job of mainstreaming it. And Civil War the movie is different but similar in spirit to the comic book, right, the details are different, the details are different. Yeah, Infinity War. I loved all the humor. I've said this before, you know, I understand that it was upsetting slash traumatic, slash sad for people, but I will aught so much through this film that how did you react to the end though? Do you remember when Fanos did it and then people started to disappear? Were you laughing still laughing when when died? I laughed? Okay, listen. The worst I didn't laugh listen. I was giggling a tiny bit at the person in front of me who was freaking out about it happening. And I understand, but I just knew it would be okay. Come on, like like we know a lot of these characters. I'm more concerned with the with endgames. You couldn't let yourself you get taken away by those storytelling. I was. I was there, but it was a little I wasn't laughing, No, I was. I felt for them. The biggest part was Rocket and Groot. That was That was the last thing he said, was right. The last thing he said was was he said, I am group, but you know what that was supposed to have? Wait what was it, dad? Oh yes, Oh that's rough. Got me. That one was really hard, and of course everybody, you know, everybody felt like, I don't want to go. It was sad that what I mean, I know that he's coming back for summer pictures. But um, okay, it was I I get it. I totally get it. I'm not saying I loved it. It It was one of my favorite Marvel films of all time. I'm not It's hard for me to look I'm a Dragon Ball fan. We got our we get our heroes wish back all the time, so like, it's hard for me to feel those deaths. You were sitting there like they're like, did you need to collect the balls? And listen, Disney bought Fox, so just put the dragon Balls in there. I'm giving you a hard time because I didn't cry. I didn't. I totally see what you're where you're coming from, because we are, we're tapped in, We're aware of what's going to well. They literally said part on what the contract was part one, And even when in Finnity gaunt Let the comic book came out, it was only like a month or two weight before everybody got brought back after Thanos actually snapped it. This is impressive because it's actually a year like and it's it might not be three years again like Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi, but but for a movie this size, this scale of the scope, I will say this. I think that the Infinity Gauntlet Saga, the Infinity War movie going into Endgame is going to be something that people watch five years from now as they're doing their rewatches, or they go back and revisit it, or they're gonna show their kids for the first time. And when you see Endgame in that context where you're just gonna be sitting down and it happened, you know, five, six, eight years ago, and you rewatch Endgame or you rewatch Infinity War and at the end, everybody snaps. You're gonna be like, dang, I know I'm about to pop in the next movie and it'll be fine, But dang, my kid doesn't know that it's gonna be like, it's good. It's It's the same way people now will watch The Empire strikes Back and Han Solo gets frozen, and you know what I mean, We're like, oh, I see what you mean. It'll it will. It will have a different meaning and feel and impact when you go back and revisit it and what it says in the larger scheme of things. And I also think that it will when you go back and reflect. Depending on how Endgame is gonna shake out, it's gonna be sadder because Endgames not about well, we gotta get everybody back, and about the rest of the characters and how they're coping and so and we haven't seen that movie yet, but actually you have, you at the premiere last night, so you saw it. But the end game is about the future. It's in the future. I want you to know, as I'm recording this, I haven't seen it, so I can't technically spoil anything, so please don't get mad at me because I haven't seen it as of this recording right now at this moment. But um, I think I think it will actually be sadder because because I don't think some of these characters are going to survive. So I think that that will be that will be difficult to see even if they are brought back, maybe they don't make it or some of the ones that did survive don't make it. And I think this might be like one of our This would be like one of our final films with us and essentially go Mora died, he got his next snap behind all. Yeah, a bunch of as Guardians like they're gone. They We're not dusted. One thing I will say, probably the last thing I will say, is the coolest thing about finally seeing the trailer that it was like the one that I saw was when they were like just get all the Infinity Stones, Like that was what was crazy because it's like, yeah, that is the solution. That's always been the solution. You gotta go find them and then you connect them, just like you got to find all the dragon balls, you know, like you gotta go, you find them, and you bring them back. So I'm super excited to see because if it is the fact that everyone's gonna go and literally find all of the infinities, that we're probably gonna see so many different worlds, so many different things. So it's gonna be a wild ride. I hope you're enjoying these dope apps. But even when it's a flashback clip episode, we still need to pause for a break, so we'll see when we get back. All right, welcome back to the best of Nerdifficent Part one. I hope you're enjoying it. Let's get back to the hits. Yeah, so we have a many times have you have you seen it once now or I have seen it once? But it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked about I haven't stopped talking about it since, like even Game of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers. So I feel good about it. I know it really sat. I mean it also sat with me as well. It was something that honestly even though it was three hours, didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive right into it. And how did you feel, How did you feel about it compared to all the other m c U films. So I went back and watched most of the m c U films before, and then every film that was very specifically inside of this film. I watched again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie had We're wrapping up so many storylines that it has like this very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end of like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy drama saga, and then also you get the end of Captain Marvel's like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same way that I feel like Ultron left people with a lot of questions, this movie left me with a lot of questions. However, I will say I rewatched Ulchan and I have those questions anymore, because ut is setting up questions to be answered later. It's hard to judge a series in the middle, like as an end of a chapter, you're like so good, Like I feel like we got where we needed to be. You know of questions about some of the deaths, but overall it was like, you know, this is a really solid place to land. Um, we'll have to see where they pick up some of the strands some of the questions later. It's hard to sort of judge the film in a series when you don't know how it's going to end. Yeah, for me, it was great. I think it did a great job closing the book on just kind of the the original MCU crew, like you know, Cat, you know, wrap that story, which is was beautiful to me as a fan of the comics because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics, Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets that back. So for him to be able to get that back in the movies was like an extra surprise. It didn't see coming. Uh, And I like that man. It makes sense for him to rest the decision Captain in America to make Iron Man, you know, finally getting wrapped up, which you know, was great. I think I called that. I said they were both couldn't die. I mean, they both didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped, their stories wrapped, and you know, it seems like they're gonna kind of bunch thor with the Guardians maybe, which is which is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad, I think she's gone. I think they they smoked her. The the movie that's on the docket is a prequel, like that's so they're just gonna do the prequel. It does seem weird to do a prequel, but I mean, I feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing that the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that Captain went to place all the stones back exactly where they picked them up, she could easily pop back up. I just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I feel I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's like real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose our heroes that happened in real life. We lose people that we care about in real life. And um, it's funny that you I know that you wrote for um Playboy. I just wrote a thing, a piece for them on how Endgame tackles UH failure and mortality and mainly how I when I watched this movie, I watched it as someone that has depression, seeing how they were put into this bleak world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They suddenly had no purpose anymore. They were so lost and didn't didn't know how to Carrey, how do you carry on when you feel like you have no more purpose? How do you carry on after grief? How do you carry on after loss? And so that to me when I walked out and everyone's like, how do you like? How did you like it? And to me it was like, oh my gosh, it spoke to me from that place of it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them. That to me is decide that I that I wanted to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and other and other films, but this was the first time where it was really like this might not work out. Five year jump is what really kind of screws with your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay, well we're picking up and we're gonna find ho like's nothing. That was a great moment, and there were just lots of good bread crumbs within all that be like you know, Cap saying, how he this is a second loss firm because he had that loss, and it really did. There were a lot of setups that were great. There was something a little heavy handed, like I don't think Tony Stark needed to say and don't die in the process. I was like, all right, this is, this is but but I always say those ones are for the people in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh, big, big moments if you if you have a daughter, man that they really came at you. It was like boom right at the top with Scott Lang and his daughters, like ouch boom. Then you see I man with his daughter's like oh this moment out boom. Then you get the moment uh you know Clint when he misses his daughter out just back to bed and his daughter on you just oh kill me now, like how how how do you miss Ita? How do you miss and you tore her literally apart like it was crazy. But to go back to your earlier point about like the female and how like just Gemla Wilson is really that doll if you it's probably in appropriate to call her, but I'm so sorry, but she she was awesome. She created the eight Fource, which is the all female Marvel team Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent role in a lot of characters that we haven't gotten to in the Marvel universe. But seeing these women that we've been like traveling with and especially you kind of got like a little moment of this in Infinity War with the Natalie Ako Nikia fight scene. Um no, Scarlett Witch uh fight scene. But here like seeing all like six eight of them like just tearing ship down, it was amazing. They were wonderful. I would see that moment, like I really just want to see the fight over and over again. Yeah, I mean just that moment we're like Scarlet Witch is straight up about to murder. I don't even know who you are. Just he was about to die. He was about to die until it and but it was so funny because like this is where the nerve brain gets in my way again, because I'm like, you're still so much stronger in the comets. You can literally bit you, you can snap without you don't, which is why they didn't do it in the movies, because that's that's what they do an X men. They make their women too powerful and then they have to They're always like, oh man, we made them too powerful, we have to kill them off. But I feel like the cool thing about the way the m C you set up is that we could get that snap eventually, like give it like ten to fifteen, and they're pissed. I just Scarlet witches. Scarlett Witch. Okay, that's at one point, and it eliminates like all of everybody with the X GENA. Yeah, she she doesn't even she says no more mutants, just speaks the word and no more mutants, and almost all of mutants are a read It's so good. Read House of Him if you haven't read it yet. It leads up to that it's so good because it it And that's kind of why, like everyone's like, I don't know why you need the X Men, uh, but like the stuff like House of Him and Avengers versus X Men is you have these two super teams, like so far in what we've learned in this movie is the Avengers go uncontested, but in a world where X Men exists, there's a whole another team that if they feel like the Avengers step outline could go toe to toe with him. And that's what House of m was about. Is Wanda Maximum. She has this break from reality and the Angers like, yo, we gotta do something about that, and we have to kill someone and they're basically having this discussion of whether or not to kill her in the X Men or like, she's our people, so this is our decision, and they're having this fight, and the fight eventually it's it's it's very beautiful. It's the rising tensions with that pisses Wanda off so much that she's just like you you all these problems and everyone's trying to have control over her. It's like, like, really looking back on it, it's really just a kind of interesting look, like she's just tired of all these like people in her life trying to tell her what to do, and she's like, no more mutants and people lose their powers. I want to say it was so I think. I was like, yeah, I think that they're going to introduce new characters. And then when I saw the roster, like when that final scene happened, of just how many characters they had to bring back to really wrap this up, I'm like, oh, yeah, so it makes sense that they didn't introduce and because like maybe they'll slide and I don't know, maybe one of the new Avengers, like maybe I don't know who at the times, don't bring back Quicksilver, who we really need Karen Taylor Johnson back to But I wasn't even like, I don't know, maybe America Chavis will show up in here. They're trying to get more, you know, um queer representation, and I was like maybe, And I just now when I looked at the whole, I was like, I don't think they were going to do that in endgame, being unrightfully dragged by Hector in a previous U episode when he pointed out I was complaining about the Civil War. My fight. This is what I wanted. That fight when they rushed towards each other looked like a comic book spread. I was like, this is it. I almost like I had all those dad tears and I almost burst into tears of just pure nerd happiness, because you know, you're the theater of your mind when you read these comics, you make something so exciting when you see these pictures come to life in your head, and you would think, you're like, this would be so cool as a movie, but they would never be able to do it. And to see it, like to think ten years ago that Fanos like like, look, I know Fanos is a household name now, but Thanos even in comics was this cosmic level hero. Like I was explaining like the levels to like Marvel heroes to someone because they're because I was like, it's crazy because then it is a cosmic hero and they're like, what, cousin. I was like, oh, yeah, no, you have cosmic Marvel. That's all space stuff. I was like, you get a taste of that from Guardians, but there's a whole level of that. Then you got your Avengers level, and then you got your street level, which was cool because they were building it out with all their Netflix shows. You had your street level heroes, then you had the Defenders, and then we're gonna see what happens with that, you know, uh on Disney Plus in five years, so totally in a different form. But Disney Plus about to take over every well, and I guess now Sony too, because um, Chris Miller and Philip Lord are now doing Marvel TV series with Sony. Yeah. They just treated like a nine figure deal. I'm hearing rumors that there's gonna be starting whole new departments of things over there for that. It's going to be wild. I'm so excited. But like looking to your earlier point about introducing new characters. When Peter went back to high school. I swear I was looking for Kamala, like where are you in theround? Maybe she's well, I feel like they've really started to establish a group of young people can start taking in the lead and the next arc. So it'll be interesting to see. Well, that's what I feel like. Monica Rambo was that's what I feel like she's going to be. When they introduced her, I mean she has to be five year time jumped to yeah, because she's she's an adult now. And of course the scene that everybody can't stop talking about the scene that I was at the press screen and you know how I have you know how people try and be there. I was there at one okay through I was at the nine o'clock, but you know, you know how people at press screen is trying to be all professional. They never never laugh. That did not happen at this allowed sobs because in mind, there was no like all the funny moments. There was just like like really, yeah, there was a dude next to me clacking loud on his keyboard, like it was like straight up, yeah, you're driving the reveal in the movie. Y yeah. So but everyone's trying to be professional. When I say Cap got that hammer and everyone just erupted, it just made it more I'm glad people were trying to keep it together because it made that more powerful. That everyone forgot that they were trying to, you know, out here, trying to pretend like they're professional. We went wild. Cap grabbing the hammer is something. It's crazy to me because I feel like I'm working on article right now about what changed and Cap that made him worthy to carry the hammer versus and a vendor's wine. When they all tried to pick up the ham right, it was only Thor who was worthy, which sort of makes Thor like the only pure hero from the story, which really changed your perspective, Like Thor changed so much from Ragnarok to write the f now that I feel like there's so much more. The character has blossomed so beautifully into himself, And now we've had three people carry the hammer, Thor, Captain America, and then Vision carrying it for a brief moment in Ultron, I think, um, so what what what is your If you don't what changed? What do you think changed? He was honest with Tony the fact because he knew about um the Winter Soldier and killing Tony's parents, and so he was lying and keeping a secret. And I think that I'm not even sure if the Hammer had a problem with it, but I think the cap had a problem with it, and could would never have seen himself truly worthy um because it was the only it was his only secret from the Avengers. It was really his only betrayal of the Avengers ever, and every time after that he's just very straightforward with him. It literally caused the Civil War between that, so that was mess. I think him coming clean about that, him kind of restoring things with Bucky, which will get to that in a minute. I think that his conscience is clear and he's good to move forward now. Nic I felt it was. My thought was that he's prideful. I feel like, yeah, I feel like Captain America has a lot of pride, because it takes a certain level of pride for him to just like negative thing. I think he like, you know how you can be prideful and that's fine, and you just have too much pride. There's a confidence. And he never took an owl, you know, he never took an owl. Frozen at ice for eight years. That's more. That's more of a pause, like I mean, he like as far as for him, fighting for justice never took an oil, and Danos handed him that l and it made him reevaluate everything he is. But I like yours better. This idea of you going back in time changing things and it affecting your future isn't true because that moment where you go back in time is now your future, so so it is not necessarily creating a new timeline. It's almost as if you started it and went back and added it to your current timeline. So you experienced everything up until that point and came but everything that changes is just new if that makes But that timeline is still affected, the one that you already lifted. No, the one that you pulled more out of, she doesn't exist. She's not in teen anymore. If she stays in the present day, is there's not still a Goma in According to the Hulk the way he said, it already happened, So you're just pulling go more into two thousand nineteen. But twin all the events are almost destined. They've already happened, so you don't interrupt that. So so basically my only question was okay, So Peter will still get to have a Goma, and he probably will also get this Gomra. Like so, I do think that she's gonna this is my thing that I'm gonna project that we've talked a little bit in discord. I do think she's going to pop back up in Guardians. I think that was a a little easter egg that they showed when it said searching for Gama at the very end, when you know, when Thor came onto the ship, um, when Peter was looking, that was that he said searching for he was looking for Goma. And I think that was an easter egg of she's going to pop up. She might not be leaving the ship with them with Nebula and Thor and Quill and Uh and Rocket and group, but I think that she will. I think that was the best way for them to be like, oh, she's not dead, how are we going to get her back in here? How are we gonna, you know, finish out this franchise? And I think that was the way. Also. I'd imagine, like go mo if you went back to two thousand and fourteen, go more and she just got realized that she's in the future and she's into this guy she's not going to just go back on the ship. I think she's like, I'm gonna leave right, don't because like if you I go back and watch the Guardians. Like in the first one, it's all about like we could be a team, and you know, if you want to go after your father, that's the thing we could do to like, but like, let's just try to figure this out. And then part two was all about, like we just have to admit that we love each other, Like can we just say the words and believe it, It'll be okay. And so I think the next one will be about him trying to figure out how to get her in a way that isn't brought together by tragedy, which will be really interesting because More's entire life has just been like one long tragic event and now she's on her own and she's got this level of independence, and I think that Peter is gonna have to come to terms with that and give her like space and time to figure out what she wants before she could even possibly begin to be in a relationship. Like what a crazy thing we pulled out of time. Meet your sister, kind of become sisters, kill your father together. And then find out you have this entire life that you can't remember. It's just I just realized that we had two women that killed themselves, because Natasha killed herself and Nebula killed herself even though it wasn't like her, but she killed the other version of herself. I thought the saddest part of that when they were like, you know, you can change, and she was like, he won't let me, and it was just so her Her character arc is just so tragic, it really is. And so it's at least exciting even though that Nebula didn't survive that this new Nebula with the next Guardians, I'm excited to see what will become of her character. Yeah, it's cool. It's exciting because like, even though she died, she was really just killing off a part of herself she never liked anyway. And it's to me, it's so much less tragic because it's something that she always wanted to shed. Even even the self who's like I can't change, desires to want to. And so for her to be like, you know, this is gone and I'm just gonna be whoever I want to be, it's exciting and I hope we like I really like her in Guardians two and she's like finally on her own and I'm gonna just sell these people and I'm over it. She's so badass, and I think we're going to get a lot of that kind of like fun, badass Nebula that we haven't had a lot of time with. I love, aside from the cap first cap fight, the Nebula versus Nebula fight and then when she smacks her and um, she's like you're weak and she was like I'm you and I was like, oh, that's such a good lie. That was so like such a put in your face, you know. Before we were getting towards the end of this, and I do want to wrap up one last thing. Another relationship thing that I thought closed up years almost got me in my fields was Tony and his dad. Yeah, because that was it, Like he just it was years of everything he thought about his father being cleared up the moment he was like, I will do anything for that kid. Yeah, And I'm just so consumed by my work that I cannot focus on them. But I do love that kid. I was like, oh my god, he needed to hear that. Have you rewatched the scene from Civil War at the top where he creates. He creates a thing called BARF, which is a binary automated something or other. Basically, it's the thing he creates that connects with hippocampus and it projects his parents, and he gets to tell his parents it's the last time he saw his parents. It's when they do the young Robert Downey Jr. Uh And he gets to tell his parents like what he always wanted to say before they died, which was essentially Tony's actual words him were like, it's okay, dad, you did the best you could. Right, we're getting here. The last line he says to his dad is almost identical, but instead of just to walk off, his dad gets to respond. And if that doesn't just give you the shivers, Like I just wrote this article about the legacy of Tony Stark because it didn't strike me how much I liked the character until his journey ended. Because to me, I'm like rich, entitled white douche bag. Like Okay, it's fine, Like Robert Downey Juniors is junior, it's infectious. Like you love his performance, you want to watch him. He's like a wonderful performer. But Tony Stark is constantly just running headlong into decisions and making giant mistakes and then really getting mad when people are like he wants to clean up his own mistakes, but he doesn't want to really take responsibility ever. You know, he's he's sorry that it happened, but like, I'll correct it and I'll do it by myself and it'll all be fine. And that constant like tripping over himself is always causing problems, and it's what makes his final snap so peak perfect, because one he's got the assurance that this is the only way. And we've seen Tony constantly through every Iron Man movie, through every Avengers movie, put his body on the line. He's willing to die for this cause, but it's never really been worth it. You didn't ever really have to. You were never going to be the leader that Captain America just naturally was, but you didn't need to be. You were rebel and a patriot. And that is so American and so closely ideals that Captain America holds. He his heart. It's so close to what your dad was always trying to achieve. Like all these heroes that he felt were so far away from him gave him the respect, I mean, the fact that what Capped does with his life after is just value Tony's message and Tony's agenda, and it's like, I'm just gonna go and live a simple life because we all deserve to have that at some point. It is the most miraculous arc like it is. I hope that eventually we can get this with all of the characters. But the way they did it with Tony was pitch perfect. The most I think the thing that made it the most perfect, the icing on the top, is the fact that Tony ends the way the m C You started, the m C You started at the end of Iron Man when he says I am iron Man, and the last line that Tony Stark says in the m C You is I am iron Man. Just all just who I gotta breathe a second, or I'm just reaction of it, Okay, you could just go. This was another one of those like splashes, and this was a horror movie. I was centered around you know, black culture, blackness and uh and everything. And I remember instead of like I know, there was the bloody mare. You can say the name three three times, yeah, And people said that for Candy Man, where I grew up, Like if you say candy Man in the mirror, he comes and he kills you. But it's five times. Yeah, it's five times in the actual movie. But but but people were like three times in the mirror. Yeah. My fiance is still won't say it really still today. Well, I was telling her about it yesterday. I was like, yeah, so we're doing Candy Man. She was like, you can only say that name so many times. I was like, it's not gonna She's like, still wrong. Yeah, you know it could no one, you know, knowing that I know have said it five times. There were some controversy that the film was depicting racism and racial stereotypes. This film based on that scene you just described, not see what the problem is, you know what? Just according to Rose, I had to go and have a whole set of meetings with the inn double a CP because the producer were so worried. And what they said to me was they'd read the script. What they said to me when they read the script was why are we even having this meeting? You know, this is just good fun, just fun. Um. This must be the National Advancement the National Association of the Advancement of Caucasian People. Their argument was why shouldn't a black actor be a ghost? Why should black actor play Freddy Krueger adible elector? If you're saying that they can't be it's really perverse. This is a horror movie. According to Madison, I was and am now worried about how people will respond. I don't think uh, I don't think Spike Lee will like this film. To his defense, he's right, because don't anything like yeah, that's that's a that's an easy did I make it? No? Oh my gosh, this is great because I want to know how much of that is true. I just love to quote why shouldn't a black actor be a ghost? It's like, imagine how much better Whoopi Goldberg would have been? It'santa Patrick. I don't know why was she a ghost? Oh? This is Oh, this is already off to the best start, because I mean, this is this is the amount of gravity to approach this movie. But also it's like it's funny because it is like a tin pole in the black community. It's important. It's it's important to us because, like we said, why shouldn't black people be a ghost or a Freddie Grueger? When we're saying a lot of funny things, but I'm not joking. And how big of an impact candy Man has a black I mean there's nothing. What's the other like big black horror movie besides tell Us from the Yeah, I think that's it, right, Yeah, I think it's candy Man of Us came along and and um uh get out. So yeah, there's been nothing for us. Yeah, it was either this or acrimony from Tyler Perry. Scariest movie for a different reason. Oh oh man, so uh so, so we went to Chicago. He was scared. Now we're talking such an excellent like now you're caught up, caught up. Uh So, Now we get to the casting, which is wilder than we were ready for. So Eddie Murphy was the original choice for the role of candy Man, but his filmmakers could not afford him, which means both the film was off to a great start, but also he's not the choice like, well, and the biggest comedy star is gonna be our horror guy. I'm gonna kill you. That's that's how I learned. My Eddie Murphy impression needs some tightening up. But you know I got the point. I mean, at least you did it. So I didn't. Todd negotiated a bonus of one thousand dollars for every beasting he suffered well filming, he was stung twenty three times. I mean that's smart. He's like, Yo, you gotta pay me a rack every time I get stuff. But also like, how do you do you just lie or do they check you for standing? I know when you're talking money like you're talking about a rack. I got stung a million. I'm just saying I'm at the doctor right Nowtress. You know it's the naughties, so I can't send you like a picture. I left my polaroid in my in my catillec, so you're gonna have to believe me. I'm calling you on a landline. Oh my god, I'm if you wad away. Jeff Trammell right over there, we're reading through the plot of Candy Man. I'm glad we waited this long ago. It I'm glad we got all the making of the all that out of the way because the plot itself needs to be dived into. Because also another thing to remember while we're going through this plot is Key and Peele is rebooting this, so it's gonna be keep I keep calling Key and people, Jordan, people, my bad. Jordan's yeah, y'all together for the rest of my life. Jordan Peele is remaking this. It's gonna be fun to see what he decides to keep on, what he gets rid of. And I think it's gonna be along. It's gonna be a lot on the chopping block if it what I'm reading. Oh my gosh. All right. Um, So the dog has been decapitated and Amory's baby Anthony is missing, and she attacks Helen and the mist of defending her self. Helen is arrested by the police. Trevor, Helen's husband, bills her out of jail, but Candy Man appears to Helen again and cuts her neck, causing her to bleed to a point of unconsciousness, so she blacks out again. Bernadette appears at the apartment and is murdered by candy Man, who frames Helen for the murder. Helen is sedated and placed in a psychiatric hospital. After a month's stay at the hospital, Helen is interviewed by a psychologist in preparation for upcoming trial. She attempts to prove her innocence by summoning Candyman, who kills the psychologist allows Helen to escape, making it harder to prove Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wasn't his goal to prove that he is a real thing? So why is he putting all these murders? I don't understand. Oh, I'm starting to remember last time I read this plot, and just you ain't ready, That's all I'm gonna say. You are not and will never be ready because now I'm remembering what happens, and I remember or why it raced out of my memory once again, I'm still going to revisit. Why if you are back in Civil ware War slave times for very you know, I don't even know if Kennyman made it juneteenth. Uh, I don't even think he made it. Why are you coming back and killing black people like you should have died? If that's if that's how you handle your your grief. I mean, it seems like he would only kill white people, especially like white men, right because he was in love with a white woman. So yeah, why is he killing and then after all these years still fall for a white woman who would have learned, didn't even get didn't want to try one system could have change your life. I've been sitting there eating good. You are running back to helln Is this a movie about me? Uh so, here's the hard thing we know about the film. In September of two thousand and eighteen, it was announced that Jordan Peele was in talking to produce the sequel. Oh it's a sequel, son, I'm hoping it's a reboot. Yeah, through Monkey Pop Production. Uh yeah, it says. Kenny Man is revealed to be Daniel Robertaale, son of a slave on a plantation in New Orleans. Daniel was chosen by a wealthy landauver, so only slaves could take the moniker of candy Man. You just pass it down like the flash, but but it takes one. Oh you gotta be a slave. Uh yeah, he was. And he was also a painter. He painted culture of the daughter Caroline, resulting in an affair between the two. After Caroline became pregnant, Carlin's father organized a lynch mob to hut down Daniel. This is just the same movie. Cut off his right hand coat of honey from a nearby by hut. It seems like, seems like back then, it's only one way to do. Black man, who sleeps with your wife? You cut off his head. You cover froom it, honey. My father did it, my father's father did it, and we're not changing the thing. And that is all. Thank you all for listening. We could have one more best of episode than it's back to your regularly scheduled nerdive sitting. We have some cool things cooked up for you next year. But thanks for hanging out and hopefully I'm the first to tell you Happy New Year. Enjoy It's about to be a great year. Happy New Year, Stay nerdy.

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