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Welcome everybody back into Nerd sesshon As always, I'm Carson Breber and alongside me is Logan Canden, and today we are joined by a very special guest. We have Shaw from bebita tailgate with us and we're gonna be playing some trivia NBA and NFL. But first things, first, shot, how you doing today? Man?
What up? What up? Carson Logan audience, Glad to be an honorary Nerd for the day.
You've earned it, man, you've earned it. We both love your trivia content, as we were just saying before we started recording, so we should have some fun today. I will briefly explain the format for anybody who hasn't seen the show. Logan and I are going to be split onto opposing teams, so we have both come up with questions for each other. And then Shaw is going to be full time quarterback to speak in playground football term, so he's going to be helping whichever one of us is answering the question the entire time, So we have a five minute limit per question. Theoretically, sometimes we may stretch beyond that, but we try to keep to that so we don't linger too long on any one question, and then we'll basically offer hints as needed depending on the difficulty of the question. So with that logan, why don't you get us started? What's the first question?
All right? And honor if you be in here with us, shaw, I'll give you a shout out too. For his social content, you guys can check him out at Babita Underscore Tailgate on Twitter and at babita dot tailgate on ig and TikTok. Really simple, gentlemen, I need you guys to name NBA Finals MVPs until somebody messes up.
Okay, who starts?
I thought we were teammates. We are.
I guess he's putting us at odds and odds format I've called an audible all right, I can start Willis Reid Well, I.
Just already know this is gonna end for me. Let's go Shaquille O.
Neil Okay, John Halchek, Kobe Bryant, Jojo White White, Let's go Lebron, Bill.
Walton, Okay, Let's go Derk Novitsky, James Worthy, Kawhi, Leonard Joe Dumars, Magic Johnson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdullah Jabbar.
Paul Pierce.
Let's go, oh man, let's go Jokich, Tony Parker, Timmy d.
Nice. That's who I was about to go with. Have we said magic yet?
No?
Magic? First one?
Okay?
Good?
Is that yours? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, I'm playing magic.
Let's go. Oh hm, I think I might have said magic, but let's go with Uh. I'm not totally sure, so I'm not gonna send it. Let's go Hakeem.
Okay, let's go chauncey.
Oh, that's a good one. Okay, how about d Wade.
D Wade is a good one. Let's go with west On celt.
Mmmm see, I don't even know if I like, I assume Logan's checking these because I know.
These are these are these are automatic for me? Seventy eight?
Is west On seld Yeah? Yeah, okay, fair enough. Let's go Elgend Baylor.
No, no, yeah.
No, he didn't. He actually never got a ring when they won in seventy two. He played nine games that season and then he retired. His knees were like totally done at that point.
I can't I can't believe we get to Elgin before Michael Jordan bro.
Wow No said yeah, class, I was gonna go Dennis Johnson next. I hope that you didn't say Magic Shaw, but I trust that Logan was monitoring there. All right. Well, interesting to start at odds with my teammate. But I am counting that as a win for the fellas because we got a lot of finals. MVPs rattled off there. All right, guys, The Rams are now zero to three after their loss just last night, putting them on track to become the fifth team since two thousand to miss consecutive postseasons after a Super Bowl appearance? Can you guys name me the other four?
Oh?
Okay, so han, let me confirm the question. Other four teams to miss consecutive postseasons after winning the Super Bowl.
Not necessarily winning, just appearing. There are two winners here, but four who at least made an appearance.
Okay, since what year?
Since two thousand?
Since two thousand? All right?
The first team I think of is the twenty fifteen Broncos after Peyton left. Did both of those teams missed the playoffs?
I don't know if that's true, because did When was Tim Tebow's time?
Tibo was twenty eleven.
Okay before was before Payton? Okay, yeah, because that would be Brock Osweiler, or.
Yeah, you would we get add in Trevor Simmy in the year after. I think because Brock got that bag with the Texans. I'm trying to think about.
The first mind. The first one that comes in my mind was Brad Johnson the Buccaneers in two thousand. I know that defense is pretty wicked. I can't imagine they lost everyone, but I honestly am unsure what they did in the one season every single Brady team made the Super Bowl or made the playoffs.
Oh for sure to safe bet hm, I am wondering about that. I think you're right though, two bucks. I think two thousand Ravens might be a good answer too, because Dilford does and come back.
Maybe even hmm, that was the thing of the Kerry Collins Giants, but that might have been ninety nine.
I don't even know if that counts the Giants. That was the two thousand Super Bowl. And I will say I've been holding off on giving you guys credit just because you were sort of leaving these up in there. But you have two of the answers and there's actually five. I misspoke, but the Broncos are correct and the two box are correct.
There you go.
What about the seven Bears?
Oh well, yes, that's correct. That's the sixth season. The super Bowl was in February oh seven, but yes they missed the next two years. Great poll.
Wow, Rex Grossman couldn't get together.
I guess no, that was not a built to be a dynasty.
Who would believe it?
Man?
Hall of Fame career right there? Uh Man? All right, so we got three?
You do, And for what it's worth, the two thousand and two Giants or sorry, the two thousand Giants are a great guess. They made it back in O two, they only lost in the wildcard round, and they missed it entirely in OH one. So that is as close as you can get to a correct answer. What if you guys are off to a strong start.
What about the team that the Bucks beat? What about the two Raiders?
Let's go, dude, that is correct. So just one remaining and it's actually a super Bowl winner.
I make it a lot easier because the losers are hard to concept, harder to remember.
Is it the is it the two thousand Broncos? After l way.
No, they won ninety seven, ninety eight mm for what it's worth, though they did miss in ninety nine, made it back in two thousand.
Let's see, it's definitely not none of the Steelers teams.
Actually hold up. I don't know, we went eight. We definite both super Bowl trips. I want to say after every Super Bowl trip the Steelers went eight. I'm a huge Steelers fan too, no way, b.
Yeah, I from you said we and I was.
Like, he's just got a very collaborative mindset. He embraces all fan bases.
Oh that's gnarly. Yeah that is so cool.
Hashtag here we go.
I mean, we definitely we went eight and eight after I feel like, almost every super Bowl trip but two seasons.
Yeah, we missed the two playoffs in a row after Super Bowl. I mean we definitely didn't. You know five, our defense was way too good to miss.
Those well six, ben could.
Have been they see. I was gonna say the Seahawks, but you said they won.
Yeah, so I will just give you guys on the Steelers. They did miss the playoffs the year after both of their Super Bowl wins, but yeah, they then would make it the following year. So closer than you might think for how consistently good they were.
It's do you think it's the Eagles then? Like Nick Foles Eagles, I can't remember. I mean, I remember Peterson didn't last long afterwards.
Hmmm, I remember them being good every year since that.
Any either of Eli's Giants teams, man like, I can see them regressing to eight and eight pretty easily.
It definitely could be an ELI giantstam mean, if they didn't win the Super Bowl, they were pretty mediocre in facts.
It's true story of his life.
The super Bowl guy lost.
Man. Would you guys like to put that in as a guess? Yes, actually it's correct. The twenty eleven Giants they missed in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. The Eagles were a good thought because they did take a step back, but they made the playoffs. Actually both of the next two years. They just won nine games both those years though, So great start, gentlemen, very clean performance. Awesome.
Good question to Carson from guys that climbed the mountain and won a title. I need you guys to tell me the top five NBA players with the most games played who never won an NBA championship.
That's a really fun quiesttion.
One's pretty obvious, or at least one of the five has to be Carmelo.
Yeah, Mello's actually not here.
Wow, is Chris Paul here?
Chris Paul's not here either. They're in the top twenty five.
So Melo played nineteen seasons if I'm correct.
Mello's just outside. Mello's literally the first guy out of the top ten. So it's a really good guess.
So that's crazy. So we are on a level that I didn't expect. I was gonna throw out Dale Ellis because he played sixteen or seventeen years, but.
Dale ellis top twenty five, right behind Chris Paul.
Actually, we're looking for twenty seasons without an NBA championship. There's not that many players who have played twenty seasons.
No, there's not.
And when we're talking like twenty plus seasons, we've got to go back old school. I imagine how Greer had to have won a championship with de wil Chamberlain year sixty seven. Uh huh?
Did Sam Perkins get a ring on any of those Lakers teams or did he join after?
And that's a crazy good guess. Man, He's literally number ten. If we're to ten, that would be a correct answer. That's a really good poll.
Wow wow, that honestly the four of the I've got one, I've got one to kembe.
Wow.
The Kemba's not here either. This is to kembe. Top twenty five, I mean, you're you guys are cooking. The top four of the top five.
Are pretty What about Elgin Baylor?
No brainers. Elgin Baylor is a good guess too.
I mean, you just have to have crazy longevity, dude. You have to have played for two.
Decades minimum one three hundred and eighty games played.
That's remarkable. Okay, so that's not enough for Chuck to be here, or that's too many for Chuck to be here.
Too many for Chuck? And four of the five got to an NBA finals.
Oh we haven't said Reggie. That's an obvious one.
Reggie is here. Reggie is the fourth most games played without a ring?
Is Terry Porter here?
I love the Terry Porter. Shout out, dude, Terry Porter number thirteen on this list.
Painting around the corners?
Okay, how many? How many of these guys are we talking before the merger? None?
Actually?
Okay, all of them.
Surprisingly, all of these guys but one played in basically the same era of basketball.
So I'm thinking I'm thinking Jordan opponents. That's just where my mind goes with that guys.
Ewing, Oh is such a good guest. Dude, he's also top twenty five.
That's crazy that he's not. There is Derek Harper here, logan.
Man, dude, Derek Harper's I believe, yes, he's right behind Dale Elis.
You know, there's no shame in some good guests.
No, no, these are these are this is this is pretty pretty immaculate.
Hmmm. How many? How many All Stars are on this list? Like, I mean totally years? How many total all stars.
These guys are? Stones man?
Okay, oh wow, so maybe we're overthinking.
This total here.
Let me actually like the Sean Kemp wouldn't have played long enough. Oh, Buck Williams.
Oh gosh, dude, you're a beast man. Buck Williams is seven.
Though I'm not a beast if I can't actually get the top five.
So thirty three All Star appearances across the four guys.
Remaining, Wow, they're lobsters.
Okay, And I'll give you a hint. All of them lost in the finals. Yeah to the same guy.
Yeah, all right, So let's think about Carl Malone.
Oh and Stockton, Dude, and Stockton both here, two and three.
There we go, let's go.
Man, I just erased those guys from my memory. It always takes longer than it should.
And one of these guys never actually got to a finals, the other did.
In the nine guys, we're missing one in five right now?
Correct?
Oh, we're missing one. I mean, if you've played more games than Karl Malone and John Stockton period, you're in some some rarefied air. And is everybody of.
The Jordan era or all but number one or just number five is also the Jordan era?
Yeah? Okay, so and number five lost to Jordan in a finals? All right?
Well, Sean Kemp wouldn't have played long enough? Oh is it dead left? Shremp not deafy? He played like sixteen years. But yeah, I guess that's right. We're talking about it pretty crazy.
Who are the six teams?
So we go Showtime Lakers, then we go Clyves Blazers, then we go the Suns, where I don't think it's anybody on that team. Thunder Dan wouldn't have played quite long enough. Then we go to the Sonics, and then we go jazz jazz, So I mean, give you a hit? Is it Percy hot Fukins.
It's not a bad guess. This guy was a role player on the championship team.
Oh it's Uncle Cliff. It's Cliff Robinson.
He is Uncle Cliff's all you guys are missing number one.
Well, it's insane, insane okay, number one position.
Wing wing Okay. And this is not a Jordanaire guy. So I think modern because longevity is at its peak nowadays. So, wow, this is so stupid. It's not Rudy Gay, is it?
Shout out Rudy Gay. I mean he's years deadlift shrimp. Also a disgustingly good guess where he's top.
Thirty, you know, good to be in the right ballpark at the.
Rudy Gay also right behind dead left shrimp. Okay, this guy one and forty one games played.
Wow, fifteen hundred games. This is gonna be so obvious, I now, really.
Oh my god, bro, it's Vince Carter.
It's Vince.
Dude.
I don't know if I've over complicated a question more than that. I mean, I'm out here slinging Derek Harper. We're talking about if Dead Left SHREMP has enough games and all of those dudes were bona fide stars. That's a great question. And I've got another question for you guys about a certain subset of players who didn't achieve a certain feat, but these guys actually did at least win the big Game. Can you name me the eight Super Bowl MVPs who never made a Pro Bowl?
Oh, this is a fire question.
I don't know if I can do that.
You got a teammate for that very yeah, hmm.
So let's think Malcolm Smith is going to be here, right.
Nope, never a pro bowler?
What about Santonio Holmes?
That's correct, Antonio never a pro bowler? Kind of surprising, Yeah, honestly.
I mean he had a couple one K seasons with us, and then when he once to the Jets, he was honestly done.
All right, Well, thanks for being honest.
I just I thought I thought Antonio was gonna be better after he man.
No, for sure, Jet actually is Joe Flacco yere.
No elite made the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Flacco made a prob I think two or three.
That's generous.
There's one there's another Harvey, I can't remember his last name, Harvey Martin. Harvey Martin.
That's a good thought. Harvey Martin was a pro bowler. And by the way, guys, I'm sorry, I literally presumed that Joe Flacco had been a pro bowler. He was actually never a pro bowler. So this list is now nine names long.
Wow.
Wow, I cannot believe that Eli got in four times and Flacco never did.
Didn't Huntley make it last year? Yeah?
Huntley made it last year. But now there's about eighteen Pro Bowl quarterbacks. It's got ridiculous.
That defeated the integrity of the whole Pro Bowl for real.
And Tyrod was a pro bowler a year back in the day, and as sucked gone ridiculous. What about what.
About Larry Brown?
Larry Brown correct never a pro bowler?
Wow? I thought he was.
He may have been a special teamers pro bowler. What Desmond Howard?
Desmond Howard was a special teams pro bowler one time? How about Dion Branch Deon Branch is.
Correct on the same line to think him about Dexter Jackson, that.
Is also correct. You guys are cooking only three to go?
Hm hmm.
One of these is really surprising. It is honestly more surprising than Flacco that this guy was never a pro bowler. Well, I would say, so, hm hmm.
Like hmm, I figure it's gonna be an old QB.
Then uh no, there is an old QB. There is actually two throwback qbs left on the list, but that's not who.
I was described at Jim Plunkett.
Jim Plunkett never a pro bowler.
God call.
Hm, I'm sorry, did you say there's another throwback QB too?
There is?
What about like Earl Morale?
Oh, I love that thought. Earl Morale. I don't think was ever Super Bowl MVP.
They might just lost it. I think a sixty eight he lost.
I would have I think, I mean, I think Starr was an MVP. I think Lindy Dawson would have been a Pro Bowl. Uh, definitely, Johnny Hugh, Joe Namath, all those guys if you.
Like at Yeah, it's not quite that far back.
Okay, m oh, Doug Williams did he winn MVP?
Doug Williams is correct, nicely done. So now you just have one guy who, again surprising that he is on this list.
Hmmm.
Carry Collins, not carry Collins, never Super Bowl MVP.
He hugged four in that game Man four picks.
Who won Super MVP that year?
Ray Lewis Oh, ray Lewis Man. Hmmm, surprising that he's here, very good, particularly in the postseason. This guy, and he's not at the typical Super Bowl MVP position, that meaning he's not a quarterback.
M I was thinking quarterback.
Yeah, you're gonna want to pivot off.
That is it?
Timmy Smith?
No, Timmy Smith. Actually not Super Bowl MVP.
I'm like scared that it's gonna be hind Sward.
It's not Hines Hines. Hines was a four time pro bowler, Okay, but honestly, in terms of all time stature, it's not that far off. Like this guy may wear a gold jacket someday.
Oh is this it's Julian Edelman.
Huh, it's Julian Edelman Man, never a pro bowler.
I was. I was just having a conversation with my business partner last week. Hines Ward Edelman Ocho Senko first one in the fame?
Heines, for sure, right, I think it's probably Hines. But that being said, Chad's got him beat in terms of like peak regular season production with inferior quarterback plays. So it might be Chad. If you're rewarding team success, then heines has the edge. But how much does anyone receiver have to do with tea?
I mean, but I mean, but longevity I think matters there. But I did think Chad. Chad was one of my one of my favorite players growing up. I thought he was like a guaranteed Hall of Famer.
NFL did not like him. They did not like him.
No, that's true, that's true. But he's definitely got the highest peak out of that list.
So they don't like. They don't like to either man, any of the any of the receivers like that.
That's which is literally the signature thing of the position as dudes who can talks and just embrace it.
Yeah, you just brought up some of the guys who performed the biggest on the Super Bowl stage. I need you guys to name every player since two thousand two average thirty points per game or more in an NBA finals.
Ooh in a finals.
Well, we can start with Shack right at the top of the century. Does it three times in a row?
Three times?
Then Duncan didn't do it?
No.
Three, he averaged like twenty eight. Nobody did it No. Four, So I think we can go to d Wade d waighte is correct. Oh skipped over Allen Iverson, who averaged thirty five point six and oh one you did.
Holy shit, it's a lot more.
He went crazy, man, I mean forty eight in game one. That's an all timer.
Okay, let's let's knock off Lebron off the list.
Yeah, let's do it.
Lebron also the only other one to do it three times?
Yeah, that's crazy. And how many them were losses? Twenty eighteen? He obviously did it twenty seventeen, he did it right. Those are both losses.
Throw Steph Curry on that list.
Boom two times, Yes, Jannie correct. Jokic now did it this past year.
Boom.
You guys just got two to go to go.
Oh Kobe boom oh nine, he was thirty two a game and uh.
MIS finals MVP Kevin durant.
Ka Boom two times. Oh, nicely done, y'all.
That's a great one. Kadi was thirty five a game in seventeen. He went absolutely berserk. Let's go, we're cooking shaw, I mean, you're cooking full time over there. Man, you're doing work on both NBA and NFL.
I'm hungry. I'm hungry time.
Dude was ready to be a nerd for the day. Okay, this is a really cool question. Can you guys name me if I do say so myself. Every player to throw a touchdown at least sixty different receivers in their career, and there are six guys on this list.
I'll start out, gotta be the most obvious one. Well, I have two actually, Fitzmagic, yes, number four, Fitzmagic, and my second one is Vinnie Testivaci.
You're number three. Very nicely done, Vinnie, one of just three members of the seventy club on this list. Wow, and it's crazy. Ad Yeah, I'll read out the touchdown to player ratios once we have the full list, because there's a disparity between those two and some of the other guys here.
Man, this is tough because you not only had to be good, you had to be like not good enough to where like you bounced around in situations. I'll say, oh, what about what about Brett Farv?
Yeah?
Farv is number six. Nicely done. He threw five hundred and eight touchdowns to sixty one players.
I mean fin, I'm thinking Randall Cunningham.
Ooh, Cunningham is not on this list. Let's see.
Longevity is a good way to think about it too, though, because guys that just stuck around, like, I don't know, you think Breeze or Peyton could have snuck in here.
I can't imagine there's any list in the NFL without Brady on it.
Yeah, so that is correct. Brady is number one and it's not even close. Ninety six players and Breeze is number two, so you guys just have one to go. Peyton is not correct, but I think he's not a bad guess. So Cunningham through to thirty nine different receivers, that's solid. I don't know. Hayton through to forty nine it's also pretty good.
What number on the list that we're looking for right now?
Number five? This guy through to sixty two different players, and he is the toughest name on this list bar none.
So it's not gonna be I was thinking like a Carson Palmer, a Kurt Warner, not on that level.
No, you have eliminated the all time tier. It's very interesting. There's like the three dudes on this list who outlasted all of the skill position players, and that's why they're so high up with Brady, Breeze and Farv. And then there's the dudes who were like just good enough to stick around and play for ten different teams. All right, that is where the last guy.
Let's let's get weird, is it Jeff George?
Not Jeff George? But I love it? Keepn coming like that.
It's a it's a shame. It's definitely not Josh Johnson despite his travel.
No, it's not. He has the teams. He does not have the touchdowns, though.
You gotta play to make the list.
I guess, yeah, Jeff George thirty three receivers.
I shut up my man. Steve de Berg, Oh.
Would you like to shout him out? No way, it's Steve de Berg. Bro Steve de Berg. Wow, only one hundred and ninety six touchdowns, but to sixty two different players. So that's what I'm talking about, Like fits, this is two hundred and twenty three touchdowns, Vinnie's two seventy five, and then the other dudes are all above five hundred. It's just a crazy disparity.
Who is the Burg's number one guy?
That's a good question. Actually, let me pull that up real quick, Logan, do you have any guesses on that?
I'd say it has to be in the Chiefs in the nineties when he had like his little breakout, you know, twenty five plus TD season. I don't know who's been there.
That's that's good thinking. It's Stefan Page, who caught a whopping fourteen touchdowns. I'm not gonna lie. I've barely heard of any of these dudes. Freddy Solomon in yel metals, but yeah, you know Freddy Solomon, Freddy fast feet they called him. And then Gerald Carter is number three. So how about that he was with the Bucks.
Oh yeah, I think he's related to Jay Z.
No, that's Jimmy Carter's son, Jared Fault.
Yeah, is it really.
Carson? That's absolutely that's kind of considering how bad Steve Debergy sucked for most of his career.
Yeah, isn't isn't his thing? He was replaced by the Two Goats or something?
Yeah, exactly, replaced by I'm so glad you know that dude. Replaced by Elway, replaced by Montana, replaced by Steve Young. Like, wow, if you wanted to be like a Hall of Fame, QB. You backed up Steve and Marino too. Marino, it's crazy, man.
No way he was that. I guess he had longevity if he hit each two different receivers.
He played twenty years. Yeah, crazy, great question.
All right, guys, we're gonna play a game, a Nervous Sash classic. Haven't broke it out in a while? Odd man out. I'm gonna ask you, guys three questions. You're gonna tell me the odd man out for each one. First one, I won the NBA MVP Award with lower than forty five percent shooting from the field. Bob Coosey, Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, James Harden, and Russell Westbrook. One of these guys did not win MVP wither than forty five percent from the field. Who is it?
Okay? So Kouzi would literally have been like thirty seven. He's an easy write off. Russ was I think exactly forty two point five. Harden was in the forty fours. I'm pretty sure his efficiency is way better because of the volume of threes and free throws, but pure field goal percentage. And then Kobe and who's our last option?
D Rose?
Oh wow? They're the two toughest, they are the two closest.
I've got to lean towards d Rose just based on the shot selection.
Yeah, I actually think I think Kobe did and not de Rose. I don't know, because that's the thing you think about. D Rose is like the rim pressure. But he took a good amount of pull up jumpers and he didn't make a great percentage of them. He really wasn't very efficient. But I could go either way on this. This is these are the two. I'm very confident one of these two. I'm willing to trust in you and go all right, right, all right, I think Kobe's odd man out.
Big Truz, he is the odd man.
Now.
Kobe was forty seven percent. I believe he roasters at forty four. Okay, well done, guys, Next up. I was the leading scorer on a finals champion Tony Parker, Rip Hamilton, wes Unseld, Gus Williams or Isaiah Thomas.
Well this is easy. It's West Unseld.
Easy under ten points a game, Okay, Final one. I was a ten time All NBA first team selection. Jerry West, Tim Duncan, Bob Pettitt, Larry Bird or Michael Jordan.
That's a great one. I that's a really good one. My first thought, I don't want to buzz this in. I think it might be Duncan, as crazy as that is. For the longevity, I'm not sure if he got ten. But then again, Larry, there's no way Larry could have ten. He basically played twelve seasons. Maybe they gave it to him the first year after his back injury, but there's no way in his last two. Can you give the five names again, Logan?
Yeah, I got you, Bird Pettit Jordan, Duncan and Jerry West.
Pettit is safe, mj is safe? West?
Who is who is Jay West? Competition at the position?
So Oscar was automatic first team for the decade. Outside of that, I can't think of a lot of dudes taking a spot from Jerry. The thing is he only played fourteen seasons, and his last season he was hurt. He missed over half the year. So ten out of thirteen that's just a really hard rate to hit. And you know in the early years he does have to compete with. This is a tricky one, man, You know what, dude, I honestly think it's Duncan. I think between KG and Dirk. I think he would have gotten enough taken off of him. I'm gonna guess he's at like nine. But I don't know. What do you think.
I thought we were looking for who has has ten? Out of the group, we're looking for who doesn't have ten?
For who has one of these guys has nine selections?
Got it understood? Okay? Yeah?
It sucks because I know that Duncan is eight time first Team All Defense and seven times second Team All Defense. That doesn't do anything for us. But I know that off the top of my head. I wish I had the All NBA off the top of my head.
I think I would keep that in the back of your head too.
Oh okay, word, I don't even know if that does anything for I think that leans us towards he's under ten. I mean, he is the most underrated player in NBA history.
Yeah, should we rip it? Let's rip it, all right, let's rip it.
Duncan he actually has ten? Guys? Carson, it was Larry Bird he only gets nine.
I totally overthought that a.
Little abbreviated to uh, don't can I believe it's ten West eleven, Pettit eleven Jordan ten exactly. But yeah, Bird, just a little bit of a shorter, you know, prime than you realize.
No.
I literally thought, he is the one who doesn't look like KEI belongs here. So I was like, they must have given it to him the first year off injury, off reputation. His production was still good that first season, But all right, we go. We went two out of three on those Nothing wrong with that. Okay, gentlemen, We're gonna lean right into your shared Steelers fandom here, because you guys may have just discovered it, but I already knew that you're both Steelers fans. I'd do my homework. Can you guys name me fifteen starters for the OZ five Super Bowl winning Pittsburgh Steelers?
Oh? I think we can.
I'm pretty off, I say, I say, let's name like every starter. You know what I mean.
If you want the extra credit, go for it.
We'll go one by one. We'll go one by one. You gonna starts off.
Logging, all right, let's let's go offense, Big Ben, Yes, let's go Hines Ward correct fast, Willie Parker yep.
Troon bettis.
Well not considered a starter?
How many? How many? Scope is scope? Scope players are considered it started.
So that's a good question. You've got a full back left or receiver left and a tight end left es Yep.
We're gonna have Dan Kreider Ken Krider.
At full back and we have one receiver left. Yeah, let's go Antoine Randol.
That is correct.
On the line, we're gonna have Alan Fanica.
Yep. Do I have to stay on offense? Can?
No? No?
No, no, no, you want let's go Chris Hoke.
Chris Hope not listed as a starter.
How about Chris Hope?
Uh no, not listed as a starter?
How about Hofen?
Yes? That is correct.
On the other side, do we get Aaron Smith?
Aaron Smith? Correct? Mm hmm.
I might be mixing my years here here.
James Ferrier, James Ferrier correct?
Is it Justin Hartwig? Is that our center?
No, it's not, but similar name.
Oh it's Jeff Hardings.
Jeff Hardings.
Let's go with uh the man with no hands, best cornerback in the league.
I Taylor, Ike Taylor, I don't know about you, shot. I don't think any Steelers player has frustrated me the way Ike Taylor frustrated me week to week On Sundays, Man Ike was good to get burn a little bit.
I want to feel I feel that shot does not relate to.
That he was pretty good. I mean he couldn't cash.
I liked Ikeman, but I got Burn a lot. Who was we got Troy? We haven't said Troy yet? Who would have been in Free Safety?
I think it was before Ryan Clark. I don't think Ryan Clark was in the five.
Actually, I think I might know who it is here. You get it?
I got to guess though, is it really gay?
Not willly gay?
Is it Mike Logan?
Wait? Also, I'm sorry Chris Hope was correct. Shout out to you, seaw I I messed that up. No, not Mike Logan. So I think you guys you just need one more to be at fifteen. But if you want to go for every starter, be my guest. I think the old line would be hard to get all five, but we do.
We got Max Starks.
Yeah, you got Max Starks at right tackle, Casey Hampton, of course, Casey Hampton, yep.
Do we got a Marvel Smith.
Marvel Smith left tackle?
All right?
Logan took that personally when I said the old line would be hard?
Do we get Trey Essex?
No two, No, uh, let go Lamar Woodley would been the second Super Bowl.
Yeah, we would have had Timmins, right, it's not Timmins.
No, no, he's good linebacker.
Yeah, yeah, definitely Clark Hagen's.
Clark Hagen's is here, and that's not the second good linebacker I was talking about. There's a dude better than.
That, James Harrison.
We had pas Man.
That's exactly right, Joey Porter, the original.
All right, two to go guys, A corner and the right guard Townsend.
Oh my god, this is a masterclass, gentlemen. You guys are cooking. The right guard, the right guard. Let me see if I can pull up. It's not Foster. This guy was with the Steelers O two through seven and he was a consistent starter in that time. Oh, Foster held it down at guard for a long time, pretty much right after this guy left.
I'm just happy I got the right position there. Yeah.
Yeah, no, well played right guard and left guard, Raman Foster played versatile. Wow.
Oh man, I don't I don't wanna, I don't wanna stop one short. What of this guy's initials?
Man? Ks?
Oh this is Kendall Simmons.
Yeah, dude, Damn, what a performance. Let's go here we go. Steelers, bring out the terrible towels, gentlemen.
Nicely done. I don't think I have a single friend who could have done that. Well done.
A teamwork makes a dream work. Man. I'm pumped as you're a Steelers fan.
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What are Steelers? What are Steelers teams known.
For dude, the segues here are just unbelievable. Logan defense defense.
I need you guys to name me these seven players that have eight or more First team All Defense selections.
Okay, this I think I think we can do cleanly. So Duncan has eight.
Yeah we're talking NBA here, Yeah, I was ready to.
Can I get Brian Urlocker? Okay, I think well MJ has nine? I think Gary Payton has nine, Rowling Kobe has twelve. Who else do you need to get? Bobby Jones and Scottie they both have oh my god, or eleven? Maybe Bobby Jones Even.
So, Jones and Pippen have eight First team with duncan you know.
You were doing?
You were saying total a defense.
Total all defense for those two is where if you just.
Have one to go arguably the best defender on this list.
That's interesting because a Keem doesn't have that many first team selections. I think he only has like six. It was just insane being a wack in those days.
A Keem actually only has that doesn't feel like a real stat. Rudy Gober has more first seam All Defense selections than this team era.
Man, I mean, when you're going up against Token Bay and Robinson and Ewing every year for a decade. You know, you got to share the wealth a little bit. Okay, so we have one all time great defender left made his life. I asked, Oh, it's it's is it Kareem?
Oh not Kareem, Kareem is Kareem's high up here? He's got five five Okay. This guy made his last first team All Defense with Kobe in twenty eleven.
Run our test.
That's such a good guess.
Yeah, that's who you would think who was Still they're clamping.
It's no starters.
You love this guy, man, I love this guy.
I know you love this guy too.
I mean he's got like six All Defense teams, but uh.
Wow, he's on the eleven team.
Or I meant, I meant, yeah, he's on the All Defense team, not with Cob Sorry.
I didn't mean Lakers.
I didn't mean to mess you guys up like that. Sorry. No, he made his last All Defense It's team in twenty eleven, the same year that Kobe made his last one.
Okay, I see, So, yeah, it's some great defender who doesn't first team on defense. Man, that's the brand. I mean, how are we missing this. We've already said KG.
Or no, you guys already said KG. That's my fault. That's my fault completely.
Oh well, I'm pretty sure I did. I thought he was one of the dudes I rattled off. But I've been thinking him the entire t.
You could, I mean, you could have penciled him into bam, that's all the go.
Okay, yeah, because he's also he's nine or no, how yeah he's nine nine exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great question. Logan. All right, can you guys name me the one quarterback in Jet's history who has had three thousand yards in at least three seasons? And I want you guys to try to rip this correctly. So discuss your guests and then come to me with something final, because I feel like if you have multiple shots at it, you can probably just get it enough.
How many times?
At least three three thousand yard seasons?
Wowa Jet?
Wowa Jet.
I'm conflicted between two guys, and it's Nameth and it's Ken O'Brien.
I'm not conflicted about Namath. I don't.
I mean, I wouldn't guess Nameth. Namath would not be my mo I don't feel like it's him.
I think his best years, aside from maybe one, was around twenty seven hundred.
I think you're right.
I don't know. I don't know much about Ken O'Brien. I would say in the modern era, Sanchez has been their best quarterback, but I don't think enough three years worth three thousand they get.
To two AFC title games where he's the majority starter. But I don't even know if he was. I really don't think he Yeah, I don't think he was slinging the rock like that. Oh damn.
Chad.
Pennington's an interesting answer too, mm hmm.
Him and Lavernius call could have could have hooked up a few couple of years.
No, for sure. I actually think that's because Fitzpatrick has their most prolific but he's only there like one year.
Man.
I honestly think I'm leaning Pennington right now. I don't know. I'm I'm conflicted because I because Ken O'Brien was a good QB. He's just underrated because he overlooked because he got drafted in the same draft as Marino.
You know, h what about testa Verday. How many years we've seen in New York.
Oh my gosh, i't even though about Vinnie. We oh, we had a couple guys, you.
Might be the best quarterback jets I've ever had.
You're right, it's a highly esteemed list. Considering all the names you guys thrown out, one of them is going to be the most accomplished in terms of three thousand yard seasons.
I mean, I actually think I think I'm leaning Vinnie either, just for if not we get to we get to answer Vinnie, I give him another shout out. But I do think I mean he's the that's QB they've had.
There's definitely no question about that. The question is, I mean, how many years is he there? Five? Five?
Maybe that's about right, I think, because he goes he goes Tampa Bay, he goes Cleveland, he goes Baltimore, and they asked spends about five years there? Yeah, I mean my three are definitely Testa, Verdi, O'Brien, and Pennington. I don't know. I'm thinking I'm leaning Vinnie right now.
I have pretty much no no way to really conceptualize who it would be between the three, So I'm down to toss Vinnie in there in the flames.
Okay, So you guys did a lot of great thinking here, and everybody who you named did this twice. But Vinnie is one of those guys who only did it twice, and you exactly identified the problem shot. He just wasn't there long enough. He spent six seasons in New York in that first stint, but only three as the full time starter. He easily cleared it in two of those three years. The answer is Ken O'Brien, and actually, technically Joe Namath did it a third time in the AFL, which I wasn't counting twice in the NFL, one in the AFL. But O'Brien is the clean leader either way because he did it four times. But you guys mentioned Sanchez did it twice, Pennington did it twice. Richard Todd also did it twice. Wow, and then Fitzmagic, farv In, Boomerasias and all did it once. Just a rich history of quarterbacks for the Jets.
Alabama legend Richard Todd, He's next up after Namath Man's that's a ridiculous list from the random Jets quarterbacks. I'm gonna describe a random NBA player to you guys, and you're gonna tell me who it is. This guy averaged twenty five points per game one time, twenty points per game four times. He was top eleven in points per game four times as well. He had no major awards in his career, not even an All Star or All NBA appearance, but he was a one time Most Improved Player he won.
Okay, oh man.
They give it away?
Is that Rats? I think I know who it is, as Danny Granger.
It's not Danny Granger.
Okay.
He won one playoff series in his entire career and was top five in steels per game twice. He retired in twenty seventeen after a twelve year career with four different franchises.
I know who it is, but I should have known the no All Stars? Is it Monte Alis?
It's Monte Ellis.
I thought Monte first, but then I kind of forgot the no All Star hint because Danny Granger definitely made an All Star team. But Monte was a bucket man. And let me tell you, growing up in the Bay, Monte was everyone's hero. Everyone wanted to be Monte. Nobody wanted to be that Curry fella. Monte was sick, he was athletic, he was tatted and he ultimately wasn't very good for winning basketball, but he was cool. He was cool. Okay, this is another straightforward one for you guys. Who was the Packers all time leader in games played? Mm hmm. And I'm gonna give you guys, we'll say five strikes on this one because it's it's worth having some guesses. But so I may want you to go all day.
If Carson's asking this, I would assume it's not gonna be Brett fav.
Uh, it would be Rogers.
Ever Farv now does Rogers have him?
Was in my Minnesota for what five seasons?
He's in Minnesota for two, New York for one. Yeah, I mean I think I still think far would have outnumbered Rogers. I'm not sure though.
What about what about like a Mason Crosby.
I actually I really like that logic. That's a that's a good.
Expects you to rip it like that. It's Mason Crosby man, great thinking. He narrowly has more than Farv two fifty eight for Crosby, two fifty five for Farv two thirty for Rogers. They're the comfortable top three. But that was great thinking. Sixteen years in Green Bay for Mason Crosby.
Yeah, weirdly enough, the second you asked the question, Mason Crosbey is just like I knew it. I just knew it for no reason.
I mean, that's that's great thinking, dude, because like, kickers have an awesome path. They can just play forever. So that's that's nice work.
Until they ruin the season for you.
Yeah. True, true, It's such a brutal job, man. I think about it all the time, how terrible it is. Every time I see a kicker miss, I'm like, God, who does that guy even eat lunch with? You know? Who does he go out with?
Uh?
Tough life.
It's a it's a no win situation. Man. If you if you make it, that's your job. If you miss, you're the enemy of the uh of the city for a week. Yeah, guys, uh, I need you to name the top five non big man with the most career rebounds.
Well, can we get started with Lebron?
Yeah?
Lebron is number five.
I'm assuming non big man is not a four or a five exactly. So winger Reguard, can we get Elgin Baylor? He was a monster?
Can get elgend Baylor? He's number one?
Yeah, dude, was putting up eighteen boards a game one year.
Wow.
Yeah, so that's a decent era to think of because rebounds were so inflated. But Elgin was also just a freak man. He was jumping about a foot and a half higher than everybody else in that era.
What about Big O? Where do you think he lists?
That's a good thought, that's a really good thought.
Wow, that's a phenomenal answer. Big O is number.
Six, and let's build off of that. And oh see Russ didn't come into the gates racking up boards like Big O', but he has played longer. So is he here?
Russ number four?
Let's go.
You guys have one throwback in one big modern guard.
Big modern guard. Yeah, like a one throwback, one big modern guard.
The big modern guard makes me think either Kid or Harden. I don't know if I mean kid. I think is like six point three boards a game in his career. I don't know why I have these numbers in my head.
I think when he says big, I mean height though.
Right, But kids, well he's six ' four. I guess he's not massive, but he was a bigger point.
I'm thinking like a six seven guard, like a not Evan Turner, but someone there on that size.
If it were Evan Turner, I would drop everything and leave right now. Uh okay, that's an interesting thought. So let's think Clyde was a really good rebounder. I would say a long time, I would say, don't ever think this is it. Jason Kidd.
Jason Kidd is number two, So you guys just have a throwback wing. Here was a good rebounder about five a game for his career, but definitely longevity plays into him being here.
That's not that many at all to be here. So this is a dude who played.
Six point three for his career?
Is it Honda Bam?
Yeah?
Wow, Yeah I thought so. I thought so, and then the numbers sealed it.
And then Jay Kid is also at six point three for his career.
Let's go all right. So I just mentioned to you guys the agony of being a kicker, but one thing that they do overwhelmingly do is lead the league in point score. However, this year, Raheem Moster is actually leading the NFL in points scored through three weeks, and that's something that a non kicker has achieved only nine times since the merger. Can you name me every player to do that, to lead the league in point scored as a non kicker.
Wow, and you're talking touchdown. You're talking about yeah, real points, not fantasy points.
No, no, no, correct. So you contributed six points, okay, and you can't do it as a quarterback because you have to be the one getting into the end zone.
I mean, Ladania Tomlinson has to be here, right.
Two thousand and six.
My first guest to shut up Sean Alexander.
Two thousand and five. Ap oh ap has actually never done this.
I was going for the running back MVPs.
It's a good thinking.
What about uh was it man Larry Johnson?
Not Larry Johnsons Priese Toms two thousand and two.
Wow, all right, so we're going all running backs?
Maybe mos dude, Randy Moss makes so much sense, but he somehow actually didn't. What about Jerry Jerry with his twenty two touchdown season? Did so?
Yeah?
From now, it's all running backs, Barry not Barry, Walter not Walter.
I guess they were playing more detensive.
Emmett Emmett is correct. Nineteen ninety five.
What about what about Jim Brown?
Uh?
Not Jim Brown? He may have done this pre merger. I didn't check, but not post merger.
I saw a stat last week. Well I didn't fact check it that Jerry or that h Jim Brown never had attack, never had a rush for a loss.
I that's incredible if that's true, and honestly I buy it, dude, I buy it. That guy was one of a kind. So yeah, Mason Crosby is the one who beat out Randy in his twenty three touchdown season, and he beat him out by a field goal. Dude. Wow, LT had one hundred and eighty six points, which is the most by anybody ever, which is crazy because he's a non kicker. What about what about Eric Dickerson not Dickerson? Good thought, John Riggins not Rigo. So you have the only guy who's done this multiple times left haven't gotten him yet.
You said not not Riggins, as if it was another redskin. But there's no way it would be another redskin.
No, No, I did not mean to lead it always Dryll Davis. That's such a good thought, dude, TD is somehow not here. Marshall Falk, God, Marshall Falk. He's the only guy to do it twice. Two thousand and two thousand and one back to back, and now you've got the two furthest back players further back than anybody who you've named so far. Franco Not Franco, Chuck Ford. Who what are you doing, Roger Craig, I mean keeping comming fellas we can go all day. No, these guys are all timers.
Just respect Chuck Foreman like that.
Okay, oh I will, no, it's his name, but we're looking at a raider.
Yeah, yeah, you Arcus Allen, Marcus Allen. Marcus Allen did it in the shortened nineteen eighty two season asterisk fraudulent points scoring title. He had fourteen tuddies in nine games as a rookie. Bro Wow, yeah.
What are they?
One more player pre eighty.
Two pre eighty two Larry Zonka Not Larry Zonka.
M I mean it's not Franco, is it? Well?
Why don't you guess him for a second time, Logan?
It just makes so much sense. He was such a good dual threat back man.
We had Stalwart and Swan stealing tutties from them, and we were a defensive led team, probably keeping the score pretty low.
Oh, Jay concerns me when Logan guesses the same dude, like two minutes apart. Yeah, it's Oj. It's the Jews. He was loose for a whole lot of touchdowns in the nineteen seventy five season. Nicely done, guys.
Is it frank O Harris?
Yes?
Yes, has been issued and it is frank O Harris.
Dude.
I thought so, man, I just had to guess him one more time. All right, all right, guys, I got a really simple one. True or false. Kobe Bryant has more first round playoff exits than Michael Jordan.
Okay, so let's think MJ loses first round in eighty six to the Celtics, and uh, I'm pretty sure that's it.
No, I think I think. I think he lost first round two or three years. I think, well, I don't think they made it in his rookie year.
That's what I was thinking. So, oh, he might be right. Eighty seven, eighty seven, you might be right.
Dam he had even done in eighty nine too.
No, eighty nine they lost to the Pistons. I'm pretty sure. Let's think about Kobe. Kobe for sure in six and o seven. Outside of that, Kobe in twenty twelve, I want to say would have lost first round. I'm trying to think about his first and second years. Those Lakers teams were good, but they didn't have a lot of playoff success.
Like well, there was the one where he airballed the three in his first or second year, but that was a I don't think that was his first round.
Yeah, that I don't think was first round. But I still I still think Kobe has more shots at it.
I'm probably a lot more.
Yeah, he's got more seasons for sure. And then I mean again, twenty twelve, No, that was second round. They lost to the Thunder, so it's not that year.
I don't think he made the playoffs after that year.
Twenty thirteen, I think with Nash and Dwight, they made it and lost first round. If I remember, well, they know they might not have made it. They had to have made it. I think they made it and lost first year, they had to have made it. I think, like I think they won like forty five games. I want to say, Kobe, here's Kobe the Wizards years they didn't make it. I think it's Kobe.
You're saying Kobe has more.
Kobe has more, Yes, he actually doesn't.
The only time Kobe lost in the first round was six and seven to Phoenix. Jordan lost in the first round his first three seasons eighty five to Milwaukee in Boston, eighty six and eighty seven. It's honestly remarkable, but they didn't get bounced more often in the first round.
Many good never, that is remarkable. I mean good thinking, seaw you had it with more of the early Jordan years. Wow, I thought one of those years after the two titles win. But yeah, I mean, I guess once twenty twelve was ruled out. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a tough one. All right, guys, this is a format of question that I love to ask. Calvin Johnson had seven different quarterbacks throw him a touchdown pass. Can you name all of them in his entire career?
Stafford? Yes? Or correct?
What about Chewn Hill?
You guys have the top three Stafford with fifty six, Hill with eight, Orlovsky with seven, Drew Stanton, Drew stan Throum too.
Oh man, Now you have another two guys like one.
You have one guy with exactly one, and then you have a guy with five and a guy with four. John Kidna Kidnap had five. He's the stud still out there.
Oh, man, I don't know if I'm anything.
Calvin comes in seven is don't they Culpepper here?
Yeah, you're a beast, Logan, don'te Coulpepper threw him four and the last one is in the very seven season that you mentioned, and it's the toughest one on this list.
How many touchdowns does this guy have in his whole career?
Oh, in his whole career he has nine?
Man, I was gonna guess Josh McCown, but that can't be right. If he has nine total, they have been count out there running routes. Man, he's playing wide receiver for the Lions too, Dude.
Athletic?
Is that right?
Sneaky?
He walks at Taysom Hill could run.
For real, dude. Also, by the way, his middle name is tread Well, So that's how you knew that he had a bit of that receiver gene in him. He actual he walked, so Lakwan could not run very successfully. So this last guy, and for what it's worth, I think Logan, this falls on you because of your weird obsession in two thousands quarterbacks. This guy his only season as like a legit starter, he started eight games, for another NFC team the year after this. That probably won't do too much for you, given that there's sixteen NFC teams. Went to UC Davis, go Aggies, where my mom went.
When did what year did he enter the NFL.
Two thousand and two, but he didn't get any He didn't appear in a game until oh.
Four, always with the Lions. Or no, you said he went to one more NFC team.
Yeah, I don't want to say that one because that'll give it away.
I'm not going to be Charlie Betch. No Betch also went to Eastern Michigan.
Shout out hmm, all right, he was a team.
Was he drafted by the Lions.
He was drafted by the Saints two in the sixth round.
JT O. Sullivan?
Yeah, you're a.
Machine, dude.
Who JT O. Sullivan? You may know him now as the Quarterback School. He actually makes YouTube content heed his like film breakdowns and they're pretty good. But yeah, jto Sullivan nicely.
Don did not know he was Gions QB Yeah bounced around. All right, guys, we're going back to the championship scene. The teams that just fell short were on the cusp of being some of the greatest teams of all times. Can you guys name the five teams with the best regular season record who didn't win the NBA Finals?
Sure? Can? Can we start seventy three and nine? Don't mean a thing without a ring?
So sad?
Then can we get the sixty seven win two thousand and seven MAVs. I mean I skipped over one because the nineteen seventy three Celtics won sixty eight games, that's right? And uh, who else is still out there? Who won sixty five?
Plus?
Do we get the nine Calves here with sixty six wins? Yes, you do, the number five? Okay, so we've got another sixty six win team left.
Actually, more than that, you have a sixty seven win team left. Golp and this is disgusting.
It's disgusting.
Well, I mean that you've that you've cooked this, No, that you've cooked this, question this, this, uh, this this quickly?
Well, I imagine the fans of this team were pretty disgusted when they didn't win it all. Mm hmm, okay, sixties they were.
They were pretty disgusted considering how their playoff run ended. Sixers not the sixers, that's a good guess.
Considering how their playoff run ended, some sort of blown lead, maybe some sort of Shenanigans, Tim Donnage got his got his impact, felt.
No cheating more more something just unfortunate injury.
Yeah, that's what you gotta think. I mean, I just can't believe that I'm spacing on a sixty seven win team right now, because there's so few in.
History kind of forgotten because they got overshadowed.
Are we looking at it like like now, I was gonna say Paul George Pacers, but it wouldn't be.
That, not a Paul George pa but a team let out by a really great wing.
So let's think the eighty six Celtics won sixty seven. They obviously won the title. The fifteen Warriors won sixty seven, they won the title. There's just not that many of them in history let out by a great wing.
Like I said, maybe got overshadowed for some reason.
Yeah, that's interesting. I mean that makes me think think MJ beat him or something that's normally where I go and I think overshadowed. What is this pre or post two thousand, post two thousand? Oh my god, Okay, so this is oh my god, dude, that's it. First of all, a great hint logan. It's the twenty sixteen Spurs.
Is the twenty sixty seven.
Games, and they were whooping on the doves when Kawhi got hurt. Exactly right, Yeah, nicely done. I was thinking too far back, but they were in rarefied air man. That's a crazy regular season. I mean, really think about it. Two teams winning sixty seven games in the same conference. I don't know when we'll ever see that again. All right, guys, Second to last question here, and it's an interesting one. Maybe tough, maybe easy, I can't really tell. In nineteen seventy, Don McCafferty became the first rookie head coach to win the Super Bowl. Don't worry, the question is not about him. I'm giving you guys that just for context. Who was the only rookie coach sense to achieve that feat winning the Super Bowl in their first year?
Tomlin goes a ton eight his rookie year, after Coward leaves. Then we win the Super Bowl in No.
Eight.
I didn't know that anybody else had done this.
Oh, but you knew about the great Don McCafferty.
No, I actually didn't know, because you did. Didn't McCafferty coach the Jets, didn't he?
Uh no, that you're thinking of webu Bank. McCafferty coached the Colts.
Oh, I don't know you. Bank only coached like three seasons in the NFL too. That's why I was thinking about him.
First year coaching.
Oh oh, oh, it's Barry Switzer.
Dude, it's not Barry Switzer. But I can't tell you how good of a thought that is.
How is it not Barry Switzer?
Because he won it in his second year?
What did the Cowboys do the year previous?
They won twelve games his first year and they lost in the conference championship game. Switzer was the one year out of the four where they didn't win it. That was his first season. They won ninety two, ninety three, ninety five. His first year was ninety four. But again, that's a great thought, and I can't really emphasize how good of thinking that is too much.
Jimmy Johnson.
Oh no, it's not Jimmy Johnson.
Okay, I mean that I didn't.
I didn't know if you were trying to leave.
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's it's not quite that on the nose. But there's something very much shared in common.
Is it uh first year with a franchise or first year ever as a head coach.
Well, that's actually a good question. I believe both.
Okay, I wasn't gonna guest stick for meal when he came back to the Rams. I don't know if that's right.
Yeah, this was this guy's first year as a head coach, period, wasn't Chuck Nod's for sure.
Took him a minute. Took him a minute. Correct, It's worth the wait though.
Hm.
What was the team's record the year before? They won the Super Bowl?
So that's that's good thinking. The year before they were ten and six and they actually won the Super Bowl. So that's where I was trying to get you with the Barry Switzer thing. This guy took over for a great situation that had already climbed the mountain before Tom Flores, not Tom Flores. That's good thinking. The back to back coach great coach succession chain. You've got the right idea there.
Uh oh, who is the Broncos coach in ninety eight?
Mike Shanahan.
It's not Shanahan.
Past the back.
Pass the torch onto somebody.
George Seaffert is George Seaffert, very nicely done. Took over for Bill Walsh. Of course they had already had plenty of success, and he got it in eighty nine, and then he won another one with Steve Young.
I always forget that guy existed, man, I always forget George Seaffert coached football.
Yeah, well, nicely done, you got there.
Good question.
Five time Super Bowl champion?
Oh, because he was on the staffs before that? Yeah, how about that? How about that?
Alright? Last question here for you guys. The names on here are pretty interesting, but I believe in you. I need you, guys to name me the top five players with the most points per game in a single season who weren't selected to the All Star team.
Wow.
And I had to do this post merger minimum fifty games played too, because George Michen's on here a bunch of times because they didn't have it yet, So post merger minimum fifty games played.
All right?
Well, I think number one? Is it not Bradley Beal with his thirty one a game?
It is Bradley Beal thirty point five and twenty twenty?
How about how about how about Monte's twenty five?
Oh? Monte is such a good guess that he's got. He's top thirty.
Man compliments doing nothing for me?
Man, I think we gotta go ludicrously high here. Can I get World be free? His thirty point per game season?
Yeah? World?
Number two was Jerry Stackhouse an All Star when he dropped twenty nine point eight on thirty nine percent shooting.
Stack was an All Star.
He was, So I assume that there's a game minimum here, right.
Fifty games played is the minimum?
Okay?
Uh, you have a guy very very recently on here.
Well, that's what I'm thinking. It's the offensive explosion. I mean, it's not Levine. He did average like over twenty five and not make it a year.
Levine's a good thought.
Yeah, that's why I was thinking about the game animal, because I was thinking about Dame because he's averaged thirty the last couple of years. But I was like, is there a year he wasn't healthy enough?
Is it?
Dame?
Dame's the first guy off this list, number six, well.
Because back in the that's probably from one of his OG seasons though when he was the eternal All Star stuff putting.
Up twenty seventeen.
They wouldn't let him in Okay, you.
Got one guy or actually two guys in nineteen eighty five.
Oh man, oh man, not again. So that is the Bernard King scoring title when he put up his third or two point nine a game.
I feel like he made it pretty much every year. It's not Alex English?
Is it not Alex English? That is a good guess. He was getting buckets.
It's a good thought though, because you have to think monster scoring without a lot of team success. You go to him and Dantley. Could it be a guire?
Who's another wing that fits that exact bill? It's not a guire. That's a good guess, but exactly that's that exact archetype. Taylor, not Reggie.
Too early for Reggie.
And add aguire did it in eighty five twenty five point seven that year is top twenty five on this list. That's a really good answer.
Yeah, this was a real high point. Can I get Kiki Vandaway?
Oh my gosh, dude, Kiki's the second guy off this list.
Damn. I can't tell you how confident I was in that the timeline. Everything lined up beautifully.
Another not empty numbers wing but not a lot of teams success. Was just a bucket. You've been kind of critical of this guy, Carson.
I have, but it's not Dantley.
Not dantly another guy that you think in retrospect is a little overrated, young nik it's young man.
I meant to guess nik Off Rip because yeah, the year before his scoring title in eighty six, he averaged whatever, twenty seven something and he didn't make it.
Yeah, you guys have a guy who averaged twenty seven point eight really recently, and another guy in eighty five who averaged twenty eight. Got a funny name man.
Okay, let's key in on the recent dude, because that's gotta be very gettable. Oh no, oh, Chase A good guess.
I mean, definitely was getting buckets like that this year, but he wasn't All Star.
They gave him his respect this year. It's not it's not Trey, right, the prey. They didn't leave him out.
Trey, though twenty six point two last year is in the top is in the top twenty.
Yeah, so they did leave him out. That's what I thought.
I imagine it's a younger guy because I want to guess Paul George, but they might just give him an All Star just because.
This guy got a feeling was a little hurt at the first half of the season. Only plays fifty three games this year, so I think that could have factored in.
But he bawled yet twenty seven tone points.
Twenty seven on forty nine percent from the field and thirty five percent from deep.
Wow. Okay, this guy was going crazy.
That's what he does.
He gets buckets. Oh my god, is it book? It's yeah, dude, he's the other guy. Him and Dame. It took them a long time to get their flowers. Okay, and the guy in eighty five you said has a funny name.
Oh, goofy name, goofy name, goofy name. I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
Oh I know who it is, though, dude, you literally brought me to it because it's another Warrior. It's purvis short. It's Perfos short, dude, it's Purvish short. Yeah. I love the like best scoring seasons to not make the All Star team. We've done. We've done versions of that before or careers without an All Star appearance, and that's very fun. Okay. Normally, guys, we end on a question where I ask Logan to name the starters for some very obscure team from the two thousands. We're not going to do that today though, And you know why why we're not gonna do it is because we uh, we have two Steelers fans in the building. So post merger, can you guys name me the the top ten rushers for the Pittsburgh Steelers in a season, no, in their Steelers career.
Oh, this is hype number one, Franco, Yes, it's correct. Number two. Let's go with Jerome.
Jerome is number two. They are well above the rest of the pack, both over ten. K.
I'm pretty confident three would be Willy, that's correct.
Four.
I mean, first guy, if we're talking just rushing yards, just rushing yards, then I want to say Richard, oh.
That's a great guess. He is in the top ten.
Okay, eight, he's got to be here.
And I'm realizing as I'm looking at this list that some of the top ten is sort of ridiculous. So it may not make you, guys go all the way.
How many do we have?
We have four or five?
You guys have four?
We have four? Ten? But yeah, but I mean Le'veon's obviously on the list exactly.
Le'Veon is number four.
We're gonna have Barry Foster.
Barry Foster's number six. So you guys have gotten the seven of the ten that I would expect you to or no, the six.
There's one sneaky pick that I think is supposed to be the sneaky one. Is it Cordell Stewart.
That's such a good thought, dude. Cordell is twelve.
What about h Nase?
No, Nase is number thirteen, though he's right behind Cordel.
Kaitlin Warren obviously, next man.
Yeah soon, Okay, let me see if I can give you hints on these guys, because.
The I mean, I already know their eighties and nineties guys.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm gonna get him.
Yeah, that's that's that's what I was thinking.
Okay.
One of these guys shares a name with a great fictional fighter, Rocky. Oh, Rocky Blyer, Rocky Blyer.
There we go.
I want to see if we can get there with the hints. Okay. This other guy shares a last name with a famous clothing brand, Louis.
No, it's not Louis Lips.
But that's that's good thinking. It's the last name for this guy Gucci, Well that would be so hard.
Bro.
It's not Gucci though, unfortunately it's.
Not gonna uh this is Tangent. It's not Amos. Zarraway isn't here?
Is he not famous Amos.
Or not famous Amos designer?
Closing?
Hm hm, you guys may have not heard of these last three, and frankly, there's no shame in that at all. The last dude, I don't even know what hint I would give you except that I've heard of him, but I'm not really sure why. So I don't know why I've heard of this guy.
They're both all three or eighties and nineties.
Yeah, yeah, Oh this guy does TV now, that's why he works for ESPN.
Man, I'm just thinking about Meryl Hodge right now.
Oh wow, really, why don't you let it ridge? Merrill Hodge is here. That's the dude who I was describing works for ESPN now at number ten, and that's a stellar performance. So I'm gonna give you guys the last two, number five. Okay, okay, go for.
It, all right, I need some more hands.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right. I respect the hell out of that. One of these guys turned sixty four today, So.
Let me check the sce real quick.
Dude. That's literally what I was thinking. I was like, well, maybe they did post about it. Okay, this guy was the he was a first rounder in nineteen eighty two out of Baylor. He is the one who shares the last name with the clothing brand. And uh, he unfortunately wasn't there for any Super Bowls, so he just sort of missed the great teams, the steel Curtain teams.
Yeah, clothing brand, what is the clothing brand?
Clothing brand something you might see HARMANI No, starts with that letter. It's not that luxury. It's more something that you might see like a white middle schooler wearing if they were trying to class it up, maybe like a pocket shirt. That's so, honestly, it's better. That's a better. No, dude, those are Abercrombie.
There you go, cryan Abercrombie.
I love that. No, his last name is Abercrombie's last name is Abercrombie.
Dude, Tyler, I don't know. I would just be guessing first name ends.
In It does end as Tyler. Does this guy's first name Roger Tyler. No, but let's keep letting them rip guys.
Baylor Albercrombie, he went to.
Baylor, went to Baylor.
It's true sailor.
That would be sick unfortunately, not.
Trailer.
Wait, dude, this is so weird. The other dude also went to Baylor. So both guys left. If we had any big time Baylor Bears fans on here, maybe they could get it. Uh. Yeah, that dude, I don't even know how I would describe him. He shares a last name with a good NBA player of the nineteen fifties. That's all I can think about.
That's not going to help it.
No, folks like not even no, unfortunately, not even that good of an NBA player of the fifties, like a tier.
Below that guy like Bill Bradley.
No, like a tier below.
Wow.
Yeah, no, this is like a guy that it's a useless head.
This is it's a Carson Reber hoop grid exactly.
It's a hint. I might as well just give to myself. No, Pollard is the guy's last name, same as jumping Jim Pollard. No, it's a basic first name, Mike, and keep him coming. Keep it basic. It's not it sounds great. It should be that James Pollard, No starts with an F. Frank Frank, Frank Pollard.
If you knew that one off, Baylor alumb right.
Yeah exactly, you went to Yeah, dude, you know your stuff.
Man. Yeah, he's like top ten on the Steelers all time wrest of this side, I know.
Yeah, that's exactly right, dude, you are cooking. And then the last guy, Yeah, I mean Abercrombie is the last name. First name ends in in the ear sound. If I were to say this guy, we got it.
We'll figure it out from this. We got enough, all right.
I had such a better hint for the first name that I should have given you guys, but I won't out of respect for if you want to just go from here, Taylor. No, but I have so much respect for you guys, just ripping first names like this?
Is Is this a real name or just like a made up first name?
No, No, it's a real name. It's a real name, not xavior shares it with a very famous TV character.
Is it a like a animated character?
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
It's Walter Walter Abercrombie. And you guys knew that one.
Well, he's also Baylor of them right.
M hm he dude, he was unbelievable bro.
For first rounder in May two.
Yes, yes, yes, literally exactly right? All right, guys, well, I mean that was this, That was a stellar performance. How easily you guys cleaned up the the more reasonable ones and honestly a really stellar day overall. Shot, you held your own here man in the arena. You did a really great job. The ball knowledge shows and it has to if you're gonna go out there and list a bunch of random athletes, and I'm sure research all the lists that you do for your videos. So Logan gave a nice little plug earlier, but again go check out Babita, Tailgate everywhere, awesome stuff on TikTok, but YouTube shorts as well, just really fun trivia content. If you like our stuff, you'll probably like what Shaw does over there too, and anything else that you want to plug. Any final thoughts, nothing to plug. Appreciate you guys having me. Definitely proud of my performance. I've seen your guys stuff. You guys have immense, immense sports knowledge. Looking forward to be back on It's a lot of fun. Hell yeah, man, well it was great to have you. Tons of fun, so check him out at Bebida Tailgate and of course, if you guys want more of our content, subscribe to the Volume YouTube page to get our full shows.
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