The volume. Oh my god, how could he do that?

The volume. Oh my god, how could he do that?

What Charles Darwin? The news is where it's at. Welcome everybody back into DIRD session as always, I'm Garson Breber. Alongside me is Logan Camden, and today we are going to be giving out our final NFL award picks. We've got full playoff previews coming in a couple of days, but first we gotta wrap this up and give out our award picks. So Logan, I say, let's start with the big one. Let's get it out of the way. It's been just a joyful, positive MVP discourse this year, hasn't it. Between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. I'm ready for this entire discussion to just be over with who is your MVP?

What Charles Darwin? The news is where it's at. Welcome everybody back into DIRD session as always, I'm Garson Breber. Alongside me is Logan Camden, and today we are going to be giving out our final NFL award picks. We've got full playoff previews coming in a couple of days, but first we gotta wrap this up and give out our award picks. So Logan, I say, let's start with the big one. Let's get it out of the way. It's been just a joyful, positive MVP discourse this year, hasn't it. Between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. I'm ready for this entire discussion to just be over with who is your MVP?

Yeah, it's been exhausting. It has been anything but civil. It seemed very tribalistic throughout this entire season, you know, pick your side and go to.

Yeah, it's been exhausting. It has been anything but civil. It seemed very tribalistic throughout this entire season, you know, pick your side and go to.

War, and very stupid. I will say, on both sides, the majority of what I've seen has been totally disingenuous, diminishing of the other guy's case, which have phenomenal cases. Yeah, incredible seasons. Really one of the best MVP races we've seen and it's just turned into a mud sling and fest.

War, and very stupid. I will say, on both sides, the majority of what I've seen has been totally disingenuous, diminishing of the other guy's case, which have phenomenal cases. Yeah, incredible seasons. Really one of the best MVP races we've seen and it's just turned into a mud sling and fest.

Ever, man, I mean, there were three guys that, legitimately, in almost any other year, it feels like they would have won MVP. If it's Alan, if it's Lamar, if it's Joe Burrow. So on a positive note, they're three of the greatest QB seasons ever. They're three of the highest QB peaks I think potentially of all time. And all said and done, because I love I love all three of these guys. I think three potential top ten quarterbacks when it's all said and done, potentially wow to me the difference. Josh had the two most signas wins of the season against Detroit and Kansas City. He's the only quarterback in football who beat both of the number one seeds in both of the conferences. Lamar had the best offensive player alongside him between these two guys and Derrick Henry. And I don't think Dereck Henry got nearly enough credit for how he amplified Lamar. Don't get me wrong, Lamar also amplifies Derrick Henry. But Derek Henry is one of the great running backs this game has ever seen. Uh, And I love Lamar Jackson. Please don't think this is me trying to denigrate his case at all. Lamar Stat padded against some weak competition, man, Like Lamar just had some big games against some inferior opponents. Like everybody, Oh my god, look at what he did to the New York Football Giants. Bro, it's the Giants dog chill out. Like Josh had the two most signature wins of the season, Lamar has the best offensive player alongside him. I think that that's the biggest difference to me. Man, I'm gonna be a little disappointed. I'm not gonna lie if Josh doesn't come away with you. Man, I think the the two wins against Detroit and Kansas City is what put the nail in the coffin for me.

Ever, man, I mean, there were three guys that, legitimately, in almost any other year, it feels like they would have won MVP. If it's Alan, if it's Lamar, if it's Joe Burrow. So on a positive note, they're three of the greatest QB seasons ever. They're three of the highest QB peaks I think potentially of all time. And all said and done, because I love I love all three of these guys. I think three potential top ten quarterbacks when it's all said and done, potentially wow to me the difference. Josh had the two most signas wins of the season against Detroit and Kansas City. He's the only quarterback in football who beat both of the number one seeds in both of the conferences. Lamar had the best offensive player alongside him between these two guys and Derrick Henry. And I don't think Dereck Henry got nearly enough credit for how he amplified Lamar. Don't get me wrong, Lamar also amplifies Derrick Henry. But Derek Henry is one of the great running backs this game has ever seen. Uh, And I love Lamar Jackson. Please don't think this is me trying to denigrate his case at all. Lamar Stat padded against some weak competition, man, Like Lamar just had some big games against some inferior opponents. Like everybody, Oh my god, look at what he did to the New York Football Giants. Bro, it's the Giants dog chill out. Like Josh had the two most signature wins of the season, Lamar has the best offensive player alongside him. I think that that's the biggest difference to me. Man, I'm gonna be a little disappointed. I'm not gonna lie if Josh doesn't come away with you. Man, I think the the two wins against Detroit and Kansas City is what put the nail in the coffin for me.

So I'm gonna go ahead and say it's totally unfair to say that Lamar Stat padded against anybody. He had a great game against the bad team. I'm just saying that's what you try to do against bad teams.

So I'm gonna go ahead and say it's totally unfair to say that Lamar Stat padded against anybody. He had a great game against the bad team. I'm just saying that's what you try to do against bad teams.

I'm just saying, like though, it doesn't matter to me if he had a massive get like when we just when people at the end of the year just I'm the only reason I mentioned that is because people at the end of the year just put up the raw touchdowns to turnovers and yards and it's just not that simple.

I'm just saying, like though, it doesn't matter to me if he had a massive get like when we just when people at the end of the year just I'm the only reason I mentioned that is because people at the end of the year just put up the raw touchdowns to turnovers and yards and it's just not that simple.

No, I agree with that. I think that there's context that has to be applied to all of these numbers. One hundred percent. I would just frame it more as when Josh goes out there and has a historic performance against the Lions, or when Josh goes out there and plays a phenomenal game to knock off the Chiefs. Yes, I value that more than I do a gaudy statistical performance against a team like the Giants. But that's not at all to say that like that's what Lamar's season is, beating up on bad teams. They face the playoff teams this year, and with just a couple of exceptions, Lamar was amazing. And there were a couple of clunkers for Josh this year too, But Lamar has the better statistical case he has all year. I mean, it is overwhelming what he has done in terms of numbers. He led the league in passing yards per attempt. He became the first player ever with a four thousand passing yard nine hundred rushing yard season. He had I believe the second highest passer rating that we've ever seen. It was incredible. It's an incredible season from Lamar, and if he's your MVP, I have zero issue with it. Honestly, Logan, I was hoping that you were gonna take Lamar as your MVP, so we could have split opinions and we could really have that debate here. I am going with Josh though, and I do think that when you try to distill this entire race down to just like a stat graphic which shows passing yards, rushing yards, passing touchdowns, total touchdowns, interceptions, you miss a lot of what Josh has done at an incredibly high level this year. Like, none of those are gonna reflect how incredible Josh has been at limiting negative plays. I mean, he's been historically great at that, which always has been the biggest knock on Josh right too many turnovers. Well, this year he had the fewest negative plays that is, including turnovers and sacks ever by a quarterback to attempt four hundred and fifty passes in a season. He had ten fewer total negative plays than Lamar Jackson. He also became the first player ever with forty plus total touchdowns eight turnovers or fewer and under twenty sacks in a season, and he took just fourteen sacks this year, which I do think it's underrated that Josh is right up there for the best dude we've ever seen in terms of sack evasion right now. He and Lamar got pressured at identical rates, both about thirty two percent of the time, and Josh took just over half the sacks that Lamar did, or about sixty percent of the sacks, but significantly significantly fewer, which is incredibly impressive. And in games that Josh actually played in this year, he led one of just five offense. This is this century to average three points per drive. That's another thing that doesn't show up when you just compare these two dudes raw conventional stats on a stack graphic. And I like the bill supporting cast that he led to do that. In fact, I told everyone before the year logan this was gonna be a top five offense because that's what Josh does every year, but also because I thought people overestimated the loss of Digs. They certainly overestimated the loss of Gabe Davis, and I liked some of the talent in this room. I liked the depth specifically, which by the way, very much made me the odd man out because there were a bunch of people who were out on the Bills, who were out in the offense, who said this was gonna be the year that Josh and Buffalo got exposed, etc.

No, I agree with that. I think that there's context that has to be applied to all of these numbers. One hundred percent. I would just frame it more as when Josh goes out there and has a historic performance against the Lions, or when Josh goes out there and plays a phenomenal game to knock off the Chiefs. Yes, I value that more than I do a gaudy statistical performance against a team like the Giants. But that's not at all to say that like that's what Lamar's season is, beating up on bad teams. They face the playoff teams this year, and with just a couple of exceptions, Lamar was amazing. And there were a couple of clunkers for Josh this year too, But Lamar has the better statistical case he has all year. I mean, it is overwhelming what he has done in terms of numbers. He led the league in passing yards per attempt. He became the first player ever with a four thousand passing yard nine hundred rushing yard season. He had I believe the second highest passer rating that we've ever seen. It was incredible. It's an incredible season from Lamar, and if he's your MVP, I have zero issue with it. Honestly, Logan, I was hoping that you were gonna take Lamar as your MVP, so we could have split opinions and we could really have that debate here. I am going with Josh though, and I do think that when you try to distill this entire race down to just like a stat graphic which shows passing yards, rushing yards, passing touchdowns, total touchdowns, interceptions, you miss a lot of what Josh has done at an incredibly high level this year. Like, none of those are gonna reflect how incredible Josh has been at limiting negative plays. I mean, he's been historically great at that, which always has been the biggest knock on Josh right too many turnovers. Well, this year he had the fewest negative plays that is, including turnovers and sacks ever by a quarterback to attempt four hundred and fifty passes in a season. He had ten fewer total negative plays than Lamar Jackson. He also became the first player ever with forty plus total touchdowns eight turnovers or fewer and under twenty sacks in a season, and he took just fourteen sacks this year, which I do think it's underrated that Josh is right up there for the best dude we've ever seen in terms of sack evasion right now. He and Lamar got pressured at identical rates, both about thirty two percent of the time, and Josh took just over half the sacks that Lamar did, or about sixty percent of the sacks, but significantly significantly fewer, which is incredibly impressive. And in games that Josh actually played in this year, he led one of just five offense. This is this century to average three points per drive. That's another thing that doesn't show up when you just compare these two dudes raw conventional stats on a stack graphic. And I like the bill supporting cast that he led to do that. In fact, I told everyone before the year logan this was gonna be a top five offense because that's what Josh does every year, but also because I thought people overestimated the loss of Digs. They certainly overestimated the loss of Gabe Davis, and I liked some of the talent in this room. I liked the depth specifically, which by the way, very much made me the odd man out because there were a bunch of people who were out on the Bills, who were out in the offense, who said this was gonna be the year that Josh and Buffalo got exposed, etc.

Etc.

Etc.

And the one thing I do want to say is totally good with me if Lamar is your MVP. But people do need to take accountability for what they said, because either Josh is significantly better than they thought, or the supporting cast, which by the way, has been banged up throughout the year, is significantly better than they thought. I honestly think it's a combination of both. But I've kind of seen a lot of people just skip straight from preseason saying, oh, the Bills are gonna win nine games, they fall off just to now the Bills won thirteen games, but they're adamantly arguing that Josh Allen isn't the MVP. I think there needs to be some recognition that a lot of people were just totally walking about those.

And the one thing I do want to say is totally good with me if Lamar is your MVP. But people do need to take accountability for what they said, because either Josh is significantly better than they thought, or the supporting cast, which by the way, has been banged up throughout the year, is significantly better than they thought. I honestly think it's a combination of both. But I've kind of seen a lot of people just skip straight from preseason saying, oh, the Bills are gonna win nine games, they fall off just to now the Bills won thirteen games, but they're adamantly arguing that Josh Allen isn't the MVP. I think there needs to be some recognition that a lot of people were just totally walking about those.

He's the most overrated player in the sport.

He's the most overrated player in the sport.

Man. That's what the people said. But again, even though I do like the supporting cast, do you compare it to every other offense in that three points per drive club. It's the two thousand and seven Pats, who had Tom Brady at his best, Randy Moss at his best, Wes Welker stacked offense, the twenty eighteen Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes the best quarterback in football, and arguably, I mean, two of the four best receiving weapons in football, with both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. It's those two. It's ab Ats Julio. Nobody else at that time was as lethal in the sport. They had two of the big four on one team, the twenty twenty Packers, Aaron Rodgers, Devonte Adams, an elite running back in Aaron Jones. The Lions this year, which is one of the most completely stacked offensive you've ever seen, because that line in and of itself is a superstar unit. And then you have Jamier Gibbs, who's a top three running back. You have aman Ross Saint Brown, who's probably a top five receiver. You have Jamison Williams, who's one of the best number two receivers in football. Right the group that Buffalo has, although I think it's a good line. Although I think that it's a solid group of receivers, does not compare in terms of star value to any of those other teams. It's not even close. We've never seen an offense this great with this few stars, with Keon and Kinkaid missing multiple games, with the Marii Cooper only playing eight games with Khalils Shaki as your number one receiver. Josh led them to that. And you mentioned the raw production point, and I think that's kind of really the crux of this debate in a lot of ways. That's how a lot of people are trying to frame it. And I just think again, that misses context, not just in terms of what I just talked about, where it misses the team's success that Josh propelled them to offensively. Where it misses on this historic ability to limit negative plays, which is such a great thing for an offense. It also just doesn't account for how much football Josh did not play this year because the Bills were blowing their opponent out, or because he sat out in an entire game in Week eighteen. And I've seen a lot of people get mad at me for like adjusting their numbers if they had played the same number of snaps Josh and Lamar. And I understand that's not perfect, right, because at the end of the day, Josh played fewer snaps, he did not actually play the extra one hundred and something snaps of football. To project out his numbers and say, oh, this is exactly what he would have.

Man. That's what the people said. But again, even though I do like the supporting cast, do you compare it to every other offense in that three points per drive club. It's the two thousand and seven Pats, who had Tom Brady at his best, Randy Moss at his best, Wes Welker stacked offense, the twenty eighteen Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes the best quarterback in football, and arguably, I mean, two of the four best receiving weapons in football, with both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. It's those two. It's ab Ats Julio. Nobody else at that time was as lethal in the sport. They had two of the big four on one team, the twenty twenty Packers, Aaron Rodgers, Devonte Adams, an elite running back in Aaron Jones. The Lions this year, which is one of the most completely stacked offensive you've ever seen, because that line in and of itself is a superstar unit. And then you have Jamier Gibbs, who's a top three running back. You have aman Ross Saint Brown, who's probably a top five receiver. You have Jamison Williams, who's one of the best number two receivers in football. Right the group that Buffalo has, although I think it's a good line. Although I think that it's a solid group of receivers, does not compare in terms of star value to any of those other teams. It's not even close. We've never seen an offense this great with this few stars, with Keon and Kinkaid missing multiple games, with the Marii Cooper only playing eight games with Khalils Shaki as your number one receiver. Josh led them to that. And you mentioned the raw production point, and I think that's kind of really the crux of this debate in a lot of ways. That's how a lot of people are trying to frame it. And I just think again, that misses context, not just in terms of what I just talked about, where it misses the team's success that Josh propelled them to offensively. Where it misses on this historic ability to limit negative plays, which is such a great thing for an offense. It also just doesn't account for how much football Josh did not play this year because the Bills were blowing their opponent out, or because he sat out in an entire game in Week eighteen. And I've seen a lot of people get mad at me for like adjusting their numbers if they had played the same number of snaps Josh and Lamar. And I understand that's not perfect, right, because at the end of the day, Josh played fewer snaps, he did not actually play the extra one hundred and something snaps of football. To project out his numbers and say, oh, this is exactly what he would have.

Done, that matters, though, I think that's very important exactly.

Done, that matters, though, I think that's very important exactly.

It's not perfect, but I think it is so much more accurate than giving Lamar the raw statistical edge in a vacuum and not acknowledging how much more football he played. If you do make that adjustment, if we just on a per snap basis, project Josh's numbers out to the number of snaps that Lamar played, Josh would have six hundred and fifty nine total yards, Lamar would have nine hundred and thirty eight. Josh would have forty five touchdowns. Lamar would have forty five touchdowns. So Lamar still has the raw yardage advantage, but it's much less significant. The touchdowns are the same, And I do think it's important to make some sort of adjustment. And I've also seen people saying, oh, well, Josh was sitting out snaps because he was getting crushed by the Ravens. That was eight snaps the entire year. So if you want to take out those eight snaps for the adjustment, that's fine by me. I just think the fundamental point is it matters that Josh led such a successful team that he wasn't on the field for a lot of these stretches, and in games he played, Josh also accounted for more of Buffalo's yardage than Lamar did for the Ravens seventy two percent for Josh, sixty eight percent for Lamar. This is including sack yardage lost. And the Bills with a more successful offense, they put up more points, they put up more points per drive. So when we do adjust the raw numbers to say, okay, if they had played the same amount of football this year, and you see, it's pretty damn close. And then I tell you that Josh had far fewer negative plays that he comfortably led the NFL in total EPA expected points at it even missing the last game, He's still comfortably led Lamar. There he led the better scoring offense with less help. I think some Bills fans have made totally disingenuous arguments about the Ravens receiving corps and just pointing at the fact that they lead the league in separation and saying, oh, well, that is a testament to how good those guys are. No, that's really much more a testament to the backfield that you have with Lamar and Derrick Henry and how much terror they strike into every single defense in terms of how much they need to be ready to play the run. Yes, that is going to free up open receivers, as will Lamar's incredible scrambling ability. Like that is dumb. The Ravens certainly do not have a stacked receiving corps, but they have a very solid receiving corp I would say, pretty comparable to the Bills, and they have Derrick Henry, and Derrick Henry is a mega weapon, and I do think that that matters at least a bit. And Josh did beat the number one seeds in both conferences. That does matter to me considering how well he played in those games, and he led Buffalo to a thirteen and three record, and he did this all in the year that everyone declared the Bills were going to be rebuilding and they were laughing about the supporting cast. So I just don't see how you can't at least see the case if you prefer the volume with Lamar, and the efficiency is also incredible with Lamar, I get it. But if you don't see what an incredible stabilizing force Josh was still doing all this incredible stuff, creating out of structure right elevating everybody around him while taking incredible care of the football. The Bills had the fewest turnovers of any team in NFL history this year, Logan, and we always jumped to turnovers. We always jump to negative plays in the MVP race when it's working against Josh. Now that Josh is the best in football at limiting those negative plays this year, all of a sudden, it's not irrelevant talking some point. I just think people are being unfair and I think some people are being willfully blind, and that applies to both sides of this debate, which just really truly has been awful. But they're two incredible candidates. To me, Josh embodied what an MVP should be with what he did situationally, with what he did lifting this supporting cast to be a historic offense. I mean, that's incredible that this was a historic scoring offense when you look at the talent they had on the field.

It's not perfect, but I think it is so much more accurate than giving Lamar the raw statistical edge in a vacuum and not acknowledging how much more football he played. If you do make that adjustment, if we just on a per snap basis, project Josh's numbers out to the number of snaps that Lamar played, Josh would have six hundred and fifty nine total yards, Lamar would have nine hundred and thirty eight. Josh would have forty five touchdowns. Lamar would have forty five touchdowns. So Lamar still has the raw yardage advantage, but it's much less significant. The touchdowns are the same, And I do think it's important to make some sort of adjustment. And I've also seen people saying, oh, well, Josh was sitting out snaps because he was getting crushed by the Ravens. That was eight snaps the entire year. So if you want to take out those eight snaps for the adjustment, that's fine by me. I just think the fundamental point is it matters that Josh led such a successful team that he wasn't on the field for a lot of these stretches, and in games he played, Josh also accounted for more of Buffalo's yardage than Lamar did for the Ravens seventy two percent for Josh, sixty eight percent for Lamar. This is including sack yardage lost. And the Bills with a more successful offense, they put up more points, they put up more points per drive. So when we do adjust the raw numbers to say, okay, if they had played the same amount of football this year, and you see, it's pretty damn close. And then I tell you that Josh had far fewer negative plays that he comfortably led the NFL in total EPA expected points at it even missing the last game, He's still comfortably led Lamar. There he led the better scoring offense with less help. I think some Bills fans have made totally disingenuous arguments about the Ravens receiving corps and just pointing at the fact that they lead the league in separation and saying, oh, well, that is a testament to how good those guys are. No, that's really much more a testament to the backfield that you have with Lamar and Derrick Henry and how much terror they strike into every single defense in terms of how much they need to be ready to play the run. Yes, that is going to free up open receivers, as will Lamar's incredible scrambling ability. Like that is dumb. The Ravens certainly do not have a stacked receiving corps, but they have a very solid receiving corp I would say, pretty comparable to the Bills, and they have Derrick Henry, and Derrick Henry is a mega weapon, and I do think that that matters at least a bit. And Josh did beat the number one seeds in both conferences. That does matter to me considering how well he played in those games, and he led Buffalo to a thirteen and three record, and he did this all in the year that everyone declared the Bills were going to be rebuilding and they were laughing about the supporting cast. So I just don't see how you can't at least see the case if you prefer the volume with Lamar, and the efficiency is also incredible with Lamar, I get it. But if you don't see what an incredible stabilizing force Josh was still doing all this incredible stuff, creating out of structure right elevating everybody around him while taking incredible care of the football. The Bills had the fewest turnovers of any team in NFL history this year, Logan, and we always jumped to turnovers. We always jump to negative plays in the MVP race when it's working against Josh. Now that Josh is the best in football at limiting those negative plays this year, all of a sudden, it's not irrelevant talking some point. I just think people are being unfair and I think some people are being willfully blind, and that applies to both sides of this debate, which just really truly has been awful. But they're two incredible candidates. To me, Josh embodied what an MVP should be with what he did situationally, with what he did lifting this supporting cast to be a historic offense. I mean, that's incredible that this was a historic scoring offense when you look at the talent they had on the field.

Carson likes him because it's the white guy, you know. I mean, that's why whoa whoa something about flaccoh Man. The only thing I want to add on that is, I think it's a perception than Carson, and I don't think it's unique to Josh Allen. I don't think it's exclusive to Josh Allen. I think when you play any sport, if it's basketball, if it's football, whatever it is, the narrative in perception of whatever it is about you takes over. And the perception of Josh Allen for a very long time has been that he is mistake prone, he is turnover prone, he is a loser in the playoffs. And it's sad because it seems like those three things always come before anything else with Josh Allen before he gets any credit for being one of the great offensive engines in NFL history at the quarterback position. I truly believe that, and that's why I had Josh Allen as my fourth best quarterback of all time. And let me tell you, he's not done moving up on that list. I could see Josh ending as high as top three is number one. Maybe you know, Josh has a lot of things to check off of his box before that's stamped, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. But that's what I think we saw this year, Carson. I think a lot of people had dug their heels into what they thought about Josh Allen and their takes about Josh Allen as him being mistake prone, turnover prone, you know, at being overrated. You know, guys taking Tua over Josh, taking brock Purty over Josh Allen. Right, I think a lot of people dug their heels into what their take was about Josh Allen, and it's hard for them to walk it back. And I think for people who were tapped in have realized, have known what Josh Allen is and was, and have realized how much better he has gotten. And I think Lamar has a great case at winning MVP. To be completely honest, I think this is the best year of Lamar's career, and so a lot of people because in roundabout thinking, they go, well, if Lamar's already a two time MVP and this is his best year ever, he should win his third MVP. Well, in a lot of years that would be true. It just so happens this year that I think Josh Allen had a better year than Lamar Jackson, and that's that. So that's just my thing, man. I think it's a lot of perception and a lot of monkeys that it's hard to get off your back. Man, when you've got that on your back. For Steve Young for so long, he ain't got a super Bowl, you can never be as great as Joe Montana. When he won that super Bowl, you got that iconic click of a clip of him. Get that monkey off my back. I hope that that MVP will get it off of Josh's back, man, because he's I think he deserves it, and I am going to be a little disappointed if he doesn't win it.

Carson likes him because it's the white guy, you know. I mean, that's why whoa whoa something about flaccoh Man. The only thing I want to add on that is, I think it's a perception than Carson, and I don't think it's unique to Josh Allen. I don't think it's exclusive to Josh Allen. I think when you play any sport, if it's basketball, if it's football, whatever it is, the narrative in perception of whatever it is about you takes over. And the perception of Josh Allen for a very long time has been that he is mistake prone, he is turnover prone, he is a loser in the playoffs. And it's sad because it seems like those three things always come before anything else with Josh Allen before he gets any credit for being one of the great offensive engines in NFL history at the quarterback position. I truly believe that, and that's why I had Josh Allen as my fourth best quarterback of all time. And let me tell you, he's not done moving up on that list. I could see Josh ending as high as top three is number one. Maybe you know, Josh has a lot of things to check off of his box before that's stamped, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. But that's what I think we saw this year, Carson. I think a lot of people had dug their heels into what they thought about Josh Allen and their takes about Josh Allen as him being mistake prone, turnover prone, you know, at being overrated. You know, guys taking Tua over Josh, taking brock Purty over Josh Allen. Right, I think a lot of people dug their heels into what their take was about Josh Allen, and it's hard for them to walk it back. And I think for people who were tapped in have realized, have known what Josh Allen is and was, and have realized how much better he has gotten. And I think Lamar has a great case at winning MVP. To be completely honest, I think this is the best year of Lamar's career, and so a lot of people because in roundabout thinking, they go, well, if Lamar's already a two time MVP and this is his best year ever, he should win his third MVP. Well, in a lot of years that would be true. It just so happens this year that I think Josh Allen had a better year than Lamar Jackson, and that's that. So that's just my thing, man. I think it's a lot of perception and a lot of monkeys that it's hard to get off your back. Man, when you've got that on your back. For Steve Young for so long, he ain't got a super Bowl, you can never be as great as Joe Montana. When he won that super Bowl, you got that iconic click of a clip of him. Get that monkey off my back. I hope that that MVP will get it off of Josh's back, man, because he's I think he deserves it, and I am going to be a little disappointed if he doesn't win it.

Man, And honestly, can I tell you something, I don't care at all if he wins it. No, I do think he's gonna get it. And that's also why I definitely do not want this to come across as a bitch and moan about how nobody appreciates Josh Allen and he's such a victim of the media and the perception, because I think he's gonna win MVP, and I think that Lamar is a phenomenal case and I understand if Ravens fans are pissed if he doesn't get it, just as I would understand Bill's fans being pissed if Josh doesn't get it. I do think that he's going to win. And the reason I don't care is I think all that's gonna matter at the end of the day is how these guys perform in the playoffs in terms of the perception of what this race came down to, because whoever does win is gonna have to back it up, and I do think it's gonna be Josh. I think he's gonna be the one who has that pressure to back it up, and that also means a lot more ey or is gonna come your way if you don't back it up and you don't play your best football in the playoffs. So I think that Josh deserves it, but I also think that Lamar deserves it. It's just unfortunately we can only give it to the one guy, and to me, it is Josh who deserves it the most. Okay, so you would have Burrow three. I think Burrow is a very clear three. The one thing I will say with him, I think that Josh and Lamar both win MVP with the seasons that they've had in ninety plus percent of years. Burrow, as incredible as he's been, I still think would be dealing with the team's success argument, like no quarterback has ever won MVP in a nine win season when it was an actual fear. It reminds me of plus game season.

Man, And honestly, can I tell you something, I don't care at all if he wins it. No, I do think he's gonna get it. And that's also why I definitely do not want this to come across as a bitch and moan about how nobody appreciates Josh Allen and he's such a victim of the media and the perception, because I think he's gonna win MVP, and I think that Lamar is a phenomenal case and I understand if Ravens fans are pissed if he doesn't get it, just as I would understand Bill's fans being pissed if Josh doesn't get it. I do think that he's going to win. And the reason I don't care is I think all that's gonna matter at the end of the day is how these guys perform in the playoffs in terms of the perception of what this race came down to, because whoever does win is gonna have to back it up, and I do think it's gonna be Josh. I think he's gonna be the one who has that pressure to back it up, and that also means a lot more ey or is gonna come your way if you don't back it up and you don't play your best football in the playoffs. So I think that Josh deserves it, but I also think that Lamar deserves it. It's just unfortunately we can only give it to the one guy, and to me, it is Josh who deserves it the most. Okay, so you would have Burrow three. I think Burrow is a very clear three. The one thing I will say with him, I think that Josh and Lamar both win MVP with the seasons that they've had in ninety plus percent of years. Burrow, as incredible as he's been, I still think would be dealing with the team's success argument, like no quarterback has ever won MVP in a nine win season when it was an actual fear. It reminds me of plus game season.

It reminds me of Chris Johnson's case in two thousand and nine when Peyton had a very average year by his standards, and yet the titles win nine games and he's the best player in football. But it just never happens.

It reminds me of Chris Johnson's case in two thousand and nine when Peyton had a very average year by his standards, and yet the titles win nine games and he's the best player in football. But it just never happens.

It doesn't happen. And I think that that is flawed because Joe Burrow does not play defense. None of these guys play defense, and all of their defenses have let them down at various points this year. At the same time, I still think that Josh and Lamar are both greater individual forces, and they still both manage to lead out better team offense. Yeah, they're just different sort of one man engines. Burrow is just about as good as a pocket passer can be, and he can move, but obviously he doesn't move and create like Josh and Lamar do. And I will say, if you ever gave those guys Jamar and t Higgins. Good God. Obviously Joe has had his issues with the line in front of him, but it's just an unbelievable thing to have as a quarterback. Do you want to round up the top five? I mean, just what would your full ballot be?

It doesn't happen. And I think that that is flawed because Joe Burrow does not play defense. None of these guys play defense, and all of their defenses have let them down at various points this year. At the same time, I still think that Josh and Lamar are both greater individual forces, and they still both manage to lead out better team offense. Yeah, they're just different sort of one man engines. Burrow is just about as good as a pocket passer can be, and he can move, but obviously he doesn't move and create like Josh and Lamar do. And I will say, if you ever gave those guys Jamar and t Higgins. Good God. Obviously Joe has had his issues with the line in front of him, but it's just an unbelievable thing to have as a quarterback. Do you want to round up the top five? I mean, just what would your full ballot be?

I guess next I would go Saquan and then maybe Jamar Chase. No, I don't know, I would know, I probably have you know what, I'd give.

I guess next I would go Saquan and then maybe Jamar Chase. No, I don't know, I would know, I probably have you know what, I'd give.

It to golf.

It to golf.

I'd probably give my fifth spot to golf. And another reason, I mean, I think I think Offensive Player of the Year is probably you know, more for skill position guys. So there's some other guys that I'll shout there, but we're you know, a guy that would be in my top ten for sure as Jayden Daniel Actually, man, I think I would with the team success that he had, but I would go I think Saquon and then Golf to round out my five.

I'd probably give my fifth spot to golf. And another reason, I mean, I think I think Offensive Player of the Year is probably you know, more for skill position guys. So there's some other guys that I'll shout there, but we're you know, a guy that would be in my top ten for sure as Jayden Daniel Actually, man, I think I would with the team success that he had, but I would go I think Saquon and then Golf to round out my five.

I think that I would go Mahomes and Jaden to round out my top five.

I think that I would go Mahomes and Jaden to round out my top five.

I saw a lot of chatter online people talking about seeing Carson Wentz with the Chiefs and then they go, man, maybe I took my home a little.

I saw a lot of chatter online people talking about seeing Carson Wentz with the Chiefs and then they go, man, maybe I took my home a little.

Bit like it's obviously not a shiny statistical season. It's not good enough for him to be in these top tier talks. He made too many mistakes and he just didn't have like an earth shattering season like a Lamar Josh or even a Joe did.

Bit like it's obviously not a shiny statistical season. It's not good enough for him to be in these top tier talks. He made too many mistakes and he just didn't have like an earth shattering season like a Lamar Josh or even a Joe did.

So mahomes standards are so so high.

So mahomes standards are so so high.

But that's part of the reason that I think a subpar Mahome season the worst regular season that he's had in sometime. Although last year also wasn't great, still can be argued as a top five MVP ballot worthy season because also, like the execution was unbelievable, they were the best third down offense in football all year. He led seven game winning drives for fourth quartercumber Backs, and you can say, oh, well, they were in some games that they shouldn't have been in, okay, but nobody was better all year at putting together a big drive when you needed it, and that's what Mahomes did. So it's not enough for him to like have an MVP case, But in four I'm good with him. And then Jayden took an offense that was twenty fourth in points per drive last year and brought them up to fourth, I mean, just towards every like efficiency metric. Towards the top of the league. One of the best rooky quarterback seasons we've ever seen. In arguably, if not the best, I personally think it is the best. So he has another award that he'll get. But this is no hate to Saquon. It's just running backs, man. Like the Eagles were seventh in points per drive last year they had Saquon. They're seventh in points per drive this year. Two years ago they were third in points per drive. Like, the production is incredible. I just don't think anyone running back can compare to the value of a really great quarterback season, and that is ultimately what I'm considering for my MVP voting. Let's talk Offensive Player of the Year though, Logan, who do you have here?

But that's part of the reason that I think a subpar Mahome season the worst regular season that he's had in sometime. Although last year also wasn't great, still can be argued as a top five MVP ballot worthy season because also, like the execution was unbelievable, they were the best third down offense in football all year. He led seven game winning drives for fourth quartercumber Backs, and you can say, oh, well, they were in some games that they shouldn't have been in, okay, but nobody was better all year at putting together a big drive when you needed it, and that's what Mahomes did. So it's not enough for him to like have an MVP case, But in four I'm good with him. And then Jayden took an offense that was twenty fourth in points per drive last year and brought them up to fourth, I mean, just towards every like efficiency metric. Towards the top of the league. One of the best rooky quarterback seasons we've ever seen. In arguably, if not the best, I personally think it is the best. So he has another award that he'll get. But this is no hate to Saquon. It's just running backs, man. Like the Eagles were seventh in points per drive last year they had Saquon. They're seventh in points per drive this year. Two years ago they were third in points per drive. Like, the production is incredible. I just don't think anyone running back can compare to the value of a really great quarterback season, and that is ultimately what I'm considering for my MVP voting. Let's talk Offensive Player of the Year though, Logan, who do you have here?

Yeah, I would give it to Saquon. I think it's a really interesting race, but I mean, he no doubt elevated this team massively. I do want to give an honorable mention real quick to Jamar Chase, to Derrick Henry, and to Jamir Gibbs. I think all those guys have really good cases at this and shadow Jamiir for stepping up in a big way without David Montgomery. Yeah, I think that Saquon and Henry got a lot of shine this year, and he kind of flew under the radar. But Saquon joins the two thousand yards in a single season club. He had the fourteenth most rushing yards per game ever in a single season, and he just opens up an element that Philadelphia doesn't didn't have. You know, they had a good running game consistently because of their offensive line. But you think of all the explosive runs. I don't know if he ended up breaking it, but he had at a point in time tied the record for most I think sixty yard touchdown runs or something absurd like that in a single year with Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. And I just think about you think about the mid two thousands when ground attacks were at their absolute apex with the Priest holmes Is, the Ladanian Tomlins's and the Shawn Alexanders. If we were in the mid two thousand, Saquon Barkley would have had twenty five rushing touchdowns pre toush push like Saquan had so many.

Yeah, I would give it to Saquon. I think it's a really interesting race, but I mean, he no doubt elevated this team massively. I do want to give an honorable mention real quick to Jamar Chase, to Derrick Henry, and to Jamir Gibbs. I think all those guys have really good cases at this and shadow Jamiir for stepping up in a big way without David Montgomery. Yeah, I think that Saquon and Henry got a lot of shine this year, and he kind of flew under the radar. But Saquon joins the two thousand yards in a single season club. He had the fourteenth most rushing yards per game ever in a single season, and he just opens up an element that Philadelphia doesn't didn't have. You know, they had a good running game consistently because of their offensive line. But you think of all the explosive runs. I don't know if he ended up breaking it, but he had at a point in time tied the record for most I think sixty yard touchdown runs or something absurd like that in a single year with Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. And I just think about you think about the mid two thousands when ground attacks were at their absolute apex with the Priest holmes Is, the Ladanian Tomlins's and the Shawn Alexanders. If we were in the mid two thousand, Saquon Barkley would have had twenty five rushing touchdowns pre toush push like Saquan had so many.

Just if he wasn't playing with Jalen Hurtz, who is one of the great short yardage rushing quarterbacks we've seen. He's just an absolute tank. I don't know if you heard, but he squat six hundred pounds and with this offensive line.

Just if he wasn't playing with Jalen Hurtz, who is one of the great short yardage rushing quarterbacks we've seen. He's just an absolute tank. I don't know if you heard, but he squat six hundred pounds and with this offensive line.

I just for a long time I used to hold it against guys that he didn get into the end zone, and I think it was a flawed It was flawed logic on my part, like holding Megatron's nineteen hundred yard campagn against him when he's drawing two to three guys in the red zone every trip down, right, Saquon is getting this team to the one yard line and then they're just putting it over. So I don't hold touchdowns. It's more what he did and five point eight yards per carry over two thousand yards. I think he was the best offensive player in football. This is no Shade Henry or Jamar or Jamir or anything like that. Takuon just had the best year, in my opinion, by any skill position guy. So I think he deserves it.

I just for a long time I used to hold it against guys that he didn get into the end zone, and I think it was a flawed It was flawed logic on my part, like holding Megatron's nineteen hundred yard campagn against him when he's drawing two to three guys in the red zone every trip down, right, Saquon is getting this team to the one yard line and then they're just putting it over. So I don't hold touchdowns. It's more what he did and five point eight yards per carry over two thousand yards. I think he was the best offensive player in football. This is no Shade Henry or Jamar or Jamir or anything like that. Takuon just had the best year, in my opinion, by any skill position guy. So I think he deserves it.

And he did have fifteen touchdowns. I mean, let's not act like this.

And he did have fifteen touchdowns. I mean, let's not act like this.

Was some slow I'm just saying he could have had like one of the you know, Pantheon years.

Was some slow I'm just saying he could have had like one of the you know, Pantheon years.

What was the stat I mean, I know at some point and this wasn't even at least regular season. Yeah, I want to say, like week thirteen, the stat came out that nine different times he had gotten them down to the one, and then they came in with the tushbush for Jalen Hurts, which is tough for the boy. But he had an incredible season and it's cool that he ends up just playing in sixteen games. So we have a very clean comparison to a lot of these other historic running back seasons. And he ends thirteenth ever in yards from scrimmage, eighth in rushing yards, eighth in rushing yards per carry ever by a running back in a one thousand yard season. And by the way, Derrick Henry is slightly higher than him on that list in terms of yards per carry, and Jamier Gibbs is in the top fifteen too. Like all these guys, yeah, two of them are playing behind elite, elite off offensive lines and the other one is playing with the greatest rushing quarterback we've ever seen. So they all have big helps in terms of boosting their efficiency. But nevertheless, incredible three.

What was the stat I mean, I know at some point and this wasn't even at least regular season. Yeah, I want to say, like week thirteen, the stat came out that nine different times he had gotten them down to the one, and then they came in with the tushbush for Jalen Hurts, which is tough for the boy. But he had an incredible season and it's cool that he ends up just playing in sixteen games. So we have a very clean comparison to a lot of these other historic running back seasons. And he ends thirteenth ever in yards from scrimmage, eighth in rushing yards, eighth in rushing yards per carry ever by a running back in a one thousand yard season. And by the way, Derrick Henry is slightly higher than him on that list in terms of yards per carry, and Jamier Gibbs is in the top fifteen too. Like all these guys, yeah, two of them are playing behind elite, elite off offensive lines and the other one is playing with the greatest rushing quarterback we've ever seen. So they all have big helps in terms of boosting their efficiency. But nevertheless, incredible three.

What great running back doesn't.

What great running back doesn't.

Man, You know, it's really really really hard to do without a very good offensive line. This is true, but I am gonna go with Saquon Henry honorable mention, just not quite the same production Jamar I thought about Jamar, I did, it's such a dominant receiving season, But just in terms of the historic nature of Saquon season, I can't really pass that up. But I think that you outlined all the right guys who were in this conversation. If I were to give a nod to a fifth, then it would be Justin Jefferson, just because he's such a monster. How about DePoy Logan? Who you got?

Man, You know, it's really really really hard to do without a very good offensive line. This is true, but I am gonna go with Saquon Henry honorable mention, just not quite the same production Jamar I thought about Jamar, I did, it's such a dominant receiving season, But just in terms of the historic nature of Saquon season, I can't really pass that up. But I think that you outlined all the right guys who were in this conversation. If I were to give a nod to a fifth, then it would be Justin Jefferson, just because he's such a monster. How about DePoy Logan? Who you got?

I'm gonna give it to Miles Garrett. I think on I know, I think on a person at basis. I think Garrett was the best player the bunch, and that's why I was glad you mentioned this about Josh Allen and Lamar. You know, Miles Garrett played over one hundred snaps less than TJ. Watt, and that's also part of my argument. I considered my top three, and there's so many good defensive players. I think Dpoy was the hardest a order to choose on this entire list, so many guys had amazing seasons. My ballot would have gone Garrett won, TJ. Watt two, Trey Hendrickson three Andrew Van Ginkel four, who I really did consider heavily for this award. He had a phenomenal year. Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch both the safety tanem for Detroit. But I think per snap, I think Garrett was the best player out of the bunch, and I argued last year that Miles Garrett shouldn't have won Defensive Player of the Year for how he sputtered down the stretch. He had won sack in the final seven weeks last year. I think TJ. Watt sputtered down the stretch this year. He was just not nearly as impactful as he normally was. In his final four games that losing streak, he had two sacks and one force fumble, and he had zero tackles in the closeout game against Cincinnati. I thought about this a lot of ways. Do I give it to the most impactful defensive player on the best defense. That's why I considered a guy like Van Ginkel or Jonathan Ernard, and I think they have real cases. Do I give it to the guy who had the most overwhelming statistical case. I think that's Trey Hendrickson. He had the most sacks and pressures out of anybody this year. I thought about, do I give it to the best defensive playmaker, and I think that's TJ Watt, who led the NFL in forced fumbles this year. I decided to give it to the best defensive player on a person at basis, and I think that was Miles Garrett this year.

I'm gonna give it to Miles Garrett. I think on I know, I think on a person at basis. I think Garrett was the best player the bunch, and that's why I was glad you mentioned this about Josh Allen and Lamar. You know, Miles Garrett played over one hundred snaps less than TJ. Watt, and that's also part of my argument. I considered my top three, and there's so many good defensive players. I think Dpoy was the hardest a order to choose on this entire list, so many guys had amazing seasons. My ballot would have gone Garrett won, TJ. Watt two, Trey Hendrickson three Andrew Van Ginkel four, who I really did consider heavily for this award. He had a phenomenal year. Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch both the safety tanem for Detroit. But I think per snap, I think Garrett was the best player out of the bunch, and I argued last year that Miles Garrett shouldn't have won Defensive Player of the Year for how he sputtered down the stretch. He had won sack in the final seven weeks last year. I think TJ. Watt sputtered down the stretch this year. He was just not nearly as impactful as he normally was. In his final four games that losing streak, he had two sacks and one force fumble, and he had zero tackles in the closeout game against Cincinnati. I thought about this a lot of ways. Do I give it to the most impactful defensive player on the best defense. That's why I considered a guy like Van Ginkel or Jonathan Ernard, and I think they have real cases. Do I give it to the guy who had the most overwhelming statistical case. I think that's Trey Hendrickson. He had the most sacks and pressures out of anybody this year. I thought about, do I give it to the best defensive playmaker, and I think that's TJ Watt, who led the NFL in forced fumbles this year. I decided to give it to the best defensive player on a person at basis, and I think that was Miles Garrett this year.

Logan, I'm blown away. I mean I was ready to come in here and just listen to you give your classic TJ monologue for five minutes and then get reamed and spanked when I sheepishly told you that I had Miles Garrett. And honestly, I'm kind of disappointed to miss out on that moment, but I do have Miles Garrett. I did think he was the best defensive player in football this year. There was a pretty big gap in terms of pass rushing production and impact between him in TJ. Miles Garrett was third in the NFL in terms of total pressures with eighty four TJ nine.

Logan, I'm blown away. I mean I was ready to come in here and just listen to you give your classic TJ monologue for five minutes and then get reamed and spanked when I sheepishly told you that I had Miles Garrett. And honestly, I'm kind of disappointed to miss out on that moment, but I do have Miles Garrett. I did think he was the best defensive player in football this year. There was a pretty big gap in terms of pass rushing production and impact between him in TJ. Miles Garrett was third in the NFL in terms of total pressures with eighty four TJ nine.

That's why I was so staunched last year that TJ should have got it, because I just thought you felt his impact. I felt Miles impact more than you. I just I feel like when you watched it, you just you felt down.

That's why I was so staunched last year that TJ should have got it, because I just thought you felt his impact. I felt Miles impact more than you. I just I feel like when you watched it, you just you felt down.

Yeah, and TJ still had an awesome season and he would be my runner up. And he still racks up nineteen tackles for loss. He has a league leading six forced fumbles. Of course, he does like there's never been a better defensive lineman edge rusher in terms of forcing those swing plays, like literally forcing fumbles. TJ. Watt is the greatest player I think in football history. And he was also great against the run. It's just that gap in terms of pass rushing, like in terms of quick pressures, that's pressures in under three seconds. Miles Garrett more than doubled TJ. And he did have fourteen sacks, and he's got a higher pass rush win rate while he's double teamed more than twice as much as TJ. I'm not making this case to you anymore because you agree with me. I was prepared to make this to you. But I think TJ probably is gonna win this award, at least that's what it seems like.

Yeah, and TJ still had an awesome season and he would be my runner up. And he still racks up nineteen tackles for loss. He has a league leading six forced fumbles. Of course, he does like there's never been a better defensive lineman edge rusher in terms of forcing those swing plays, like literally forcing fumbles. TJ. Watt is the greatest player I think in football history. And he was also great against the run. It's just that gap in terms of pass rushing, like in terms of quick pressures, that's pressures in under three seconds. Miles Garrett more than doubled TJ. And he did have fourteen sacks, and he's got a higher pass rush win rate while he's double teamed more than twice as much as TJ. I'm not making this case to you anymore because you agree with me. I was prepared to make this to you. But I think TJ probably is gonna win this award, at least that's what it seems like.

So I think they got it backwards these last two years.

So I think they got it backwards these last two years.

Man, there's an argument. I thought Miles deserved it last year, but it was definitely very close. And the thing is, you have the question of will they reward a great player on a defense that, by like some conventional metrics like scoring numbers, right, didn't look like the Browns had a good defensive season. But actually the Browns were third in yards allowed per drive and they were tenth in points allowed per drive. They just have like a historically bad offense. Their offense is dead last in yards per drive, dead last in points per drive, and had the second most turnovers in football. So the defense did their job. This was still a playoff caliber defense. It was just a truly horrible offense. And you mentioned Trey Hendrickson in terms of pure pass rushing, I think he was the best guy in football this year. It's just the gap as a run defender between him and Miles Garrett is big. The gap is a run defender between him and TJ Watt is also big. So I would go Miles Garrett one, I go TJ two, and then I'm tempted to go past Sertan three. I think Pat ser Tan had a truly unbelievable cornerback season, only a fifty five pass rating when he was targeted two pick sixes, and I just think his ability to be so elite as a coverage corner was really fundamental to Denver being the elite defense that they were and allowed them to be more aggressive up front because they had so much faith in Sirtan and their secondary on the back end, but especially Sirtan. But I think it's got to go to one of the edges, and I do think it should be Miles Garrett, but I don't think he's gonna get it because the Browns has had such a bad year.

Man, there's an argument. I thought Miles deserved it last year, but it was definitely very close. And the thing is, you have the question of will they reward a great player on a defense that, by like some conventional metrics like scoring numbers, right, didn't look like the Browns had a good defensive season. But actually the Browns were third in yards allowed per drive and they were tenth in points allowed per drive. They just have like a historically bad offense. Their offense is dead last in yards per drive, dead last in points per drive, and had the second most turnovers in football. So the defense did their job. This was still a playoff caliber defense. It was just a truly horrible offense. And you mentioned Trey Hendrickson in terms of pure pass rushing, I think he was the best guy in football this year. It's just the gap as a run defender between him and Miles Garrett is big. The gap is a run defender between him and TJ Watt is also big. So I would go Miles Garrett one, I go TJ two, and then I'm tempted to go past Sertan three. I think Pat ser Tan had a truly unbelievable cornerback season, only a fifty five pass rating when he was targeted two pick sixes, and I just think his ability to be so elite as a coverage corner was really fundamental to Denver being the elite defense that they were and allowed them to be more aggressive up front because they had so much faith in Sirtan and their secondary on the back end, but especially Sirtan. But I think it's got to go to one of the edges, and I do think it should be Miles Garrett, but I don't think he's gonna get it because the Browns has had such a bad year.

It wouldn't shock me. And if they go with that metric, I wouldn't be mad if they give it to Van Ginkle either. And the reason I shout out Van Ginkle was just because of his versatility this season. He wasn't only such a great pass rusher impactful stopping the run, he was great in coverage. I mean when they were really battered, you know they had Van Ginkle running inside linebacker for them when Cashman was out. Like the versatility, the all around impact. He also had two interceptions, both of which went back for pick six. Is like, Van Gankle had a phenomenal year and I think he deserves some flowers for this amazing season two. There were so many great defenders this year.

It wouldn't shock me. And if they go with that metric, I wouldn't be mad if they give it to Van Ginkle either. And the reason I shout out Van Ginkle was just because of his versatility this season. He wasn't only such a great pass rusher impactful stopping the run, he was great in coverage. I mean when they were really battered, you know they had Van Ginkle running inside linebacker for them when Cashman was out. Like the versatility, the all around impact. He also had two interceptions, both of which went back for pick six. Is like, Van Gankle had a phenomenal year and I think he deserves some flowers for this amazing season two. There were so many great defenders this year.

Yeah Man shout out van Ginkle. He really had a phenomenal season, and shout out Gernard too. I think that Vikings defense was awesome. Shout out Brian Flores two for that. How about offensive Rookie of the Year logan? Who do you like here?

Yeah Man shout out van Ginkle. He really had a phenomenal season, and shout out Gernard too. I think that Vikings defense was awesome. Shout out Brian Flores two for that. How about offensive Rookie of the Year logan? Who do you like here?

No brainer? I think it's Jaden Daniels you mentioned it earlier. I think it is the greatest offensive rookie quarterback season of all time. Number one in rushing yards by a rookie quarterback, number one completion percentage, number eight total touchdowns per game, number ten total yards per game, and number four in passer rating. That is all by a rookie quarterback. And he's ninth in rushing yards by a quarterback in a single season all time. This is a guy who stepped in here with a full regime change, took them from the second Overall, I'll pick to the playoffs from four to thirteen to twelve and five. And the biggest component of Jayden daniels argument as the best rookie quarterback ever and the rookie of the Year in my opinion, is the overall team offense fifth scoring offense, sixth, third down offense number one, fourth down offense number six, red zone offense. I think it's the best team offense ever let out by a rookie. Now I would hear an argument from maybe like the twenty sixteen Cowboys, but again, when we're looking at individual responsibility for y in offense was elite. You look at that Cowboys team and they have one of the greatest offensive lines I've ever seen, all pros everywhere, an elite running back in Ezekiel Elliott, like Dak Prescott, was steering the ship right. It would be like saying the four Steelers offense was just great because of Big Ben. That's not the case. You can legitimately say that about Washington. And that's why I think not only does Jayden have a legitimate offensive Rookie of the Year case, he has a legitimate MVP case. And the cherry on top are the classic moments, the game winning drives Atlanta in overtime game against Philadelphia, the Hail Mary against Chicago. I think it's the greatest rookie quarterback campaign ever. Man. Jayden and Daniels is the shit.

No brainer? I think it's Jaden Daniels you mentioned it earlier. I think it is the greatest offensive rookie quarterback season of all time. Number one in rushing yards by a rookie quarterback, number one completion percentage, number eight total touchdowns per game, number ten total yards per game, and number four in passer rating. That is all by a rookie quarterback. And he's ninth in rushing yards by a quarterback in a single season all time. This is a guy who stepped in here with a full regime change, took them from the second Overall, I'll pick to the playoffs from four to thirteen to twelve and five. And the biggest component of Jayden daniels argument as the best rookie quarterback ever and the rookie of the Year in my opinion, is the overall team offense fifth scoring offense, sixth, third down offense number one, fourth down offense number six, red zone offense. I think it's the best team offense ever let out by a rookie. Now I would hear an argument from maybe like the twenty sixteen Cowboys, but again, when we're looking at individual responsibility for y in offense was elite. You look at that Cowboys team and they have one of the greatest offensive lines I've ever seen, all pros everywhere, an elite running back in Ezekiel Elliott, like Dak Prescott, was steering the ship right. It would be like saying the four Steelers offense was just great because of Big Ben. That's not the case. You can legitimately say that about Washington. And that's why I think not only does Jayden have a legitimate offensive Rookie of the Year case, he has a legitimate MVP case. And the cherry on top are the classic moments, the game winning drives Atlanta in overtime game against Philadelphia, the Hail Mary against Chicago. I think it's the greatest rookie quarterback campaign ever. Man. Jayden and Daniels is the shit.

He totally is. You mentioned all of the ranks among rookie quarterbacks historic in so many ways, and this is by the way, in basically fifteen and a half games because he sat a good portion of the game this past week, and then he also went out for a good portion of their game against the Ravens, So that's important, right, he's not even getting that seventeenth game boost. And also situationally, I mean led the number six third down offense, number one fourth down offense, number six red zone offense, and as I mentioned earlier, took an offense that was in the mid twenties in terms of yards and points per drive last year and got them to be the number four scoring offense in football. It's incredible, and I do think that although we can give credit to Kingsbury and we can give credit to Terry McLaurin and whatnot, this was an offensive situation that was ultimately made by Jaden Daniels. They did things to put him in a position to succeed, but without a dude with his sort of unbelieva rushing ability and still having an accurate arm like this offense just does not look anything like it did. I thought it was a really really special campaign. And even though I think Brock Bauers had the best rookie tight end season since Mike Ditka, that's just not enough to match that transformative quarterback impact. Same thing we talk about with MVP. You get a rookie quarterback season like this, that guy's winning Offensive Rookie of the Year. It's like CJ versus Pooka last year. Right, I thought it was CJ. That's how I feel. That's my philosophy. With offensive Rookie of the Year, how about defensive Rookie of the Year logan.

He totally is. You mentioned all of the ranks among rookie quarterbacks historic in so many ways, and this is by the way, in basically fifteen and a half games because he sat a good portion of the game this past week, and then he also went out for a good portion of their game against the Ravens, So that's important, right, he's not even getting that seventeenth game boost. And also situationally, I mean led the number six third down offense, number one fourth down offense, number six red zone offense, and as I mentioned earlier, took an offense that was in the mid twenties in terms of yards and points per drive last year and got them to be the number four scoring offense in football. It's incredible, and I do think that although we can give credit to Kingsbury and we can give credit to Terry McLaurin and whatnot, this was an offensive situation that was ultimately made by Jaden Daniels. They did things to put him in a position to succeed, but without a dude with his sort of unbelieva rushing ability and still having an accurate arm like this offense just does not look anything like it did. I thought it was a really really special campaign. And even though I think Brock Bauers had the best rookie tight end season since Mike Ditka, that's just not enough to match that transformative quarterback impact. Same thing we talk about with MVP. You get a rookie quarterback season like this, that guy's winning Offensive Rookie of the Year. It's like CJ versus Pooka last year. Right, I thought it was CJ. That's how I feel. That's my philosophy. With offensive Rookie of the Year, how about defensive Rookie of the Year logan.

I'm gonna give it to Quiny and Mitchell the guy picked at the midway point, and a lot of it has to do with his impact on team defense. Under fifty five percent completion percentage allowed on the year, he allowed forty one catches for four hundred and seventy two yards and three tds. It was just transformative. Right. That was the biggest hole in Philadelphia secondary last season, completely just they hit that skid man and they lost the brakes in their car. I mean, just completely rolled down the hill into a car wreck against Tampa Bay when Baker and them upset them. And it's been a strength of this defense this year. So I thought he had the biggest impact on a teen defense and swung that secondary. Shoutout Cooper Degene too. I thought he was a big part of that. I thought Slay had a good year for Philadelphia, but I think Quenyon deserves it, man. And you know, I thought Jared Verse had a good year. I thought he was a little bit single to mention, like like one dimensional in terms of just pass rush. But he also missed a lot of tackles and that's what That's what burned me a little bit about Verse two. But it was close. Both of these guys are really good. I'd give it to Mitchell bro is.

I'm gonna give it to Quiny and Mitchell the guy picked at the midway point, and a lot of it has to do with his impact on team defense. Under fifty five percent completion percentage allowed on the year, he allowed forty one catches for four hundred and seventy two yards and three tds. It was just transformative. Right. That was the biggest hole in Philadelphia secondary last season, completely just they hit that skid man and they lost the brakes in their car. I mean, just completely rolled down the hill into a car wreck against Tampa Bay when Baker and them upset them. And it's been a strength of this defense this year. So I thought he had the biggest impact on a teen defense and swung that secondary. Shoutout Cooper Degene too. I thought he was a big part of that. I thought Slay had a good year for Philadelphia, but I think Quenyon deserves it, man. And you know, I thought Jared Verse had a good year. I thought he was a little bit single to mention, like like one dimensional in terms of just pass rush. But he also missed a lot of tackles and that's what That's what burned me a little bit about Verse two. But it was close. Both of these guys are really good. I'd give it to Mitchell bro is.

A Jared Verse hater. A. I think that he was good against the run, and he does have eleven tackles for loss on the year. B he's got the low rass sack number to anybody who is gonna look at that and see four and a half sacks, How could he be defensive rookie of the year. He was fourth in the league in pressures, man, I mean it is the top dog established superstar pass rushers and Jared Verse up there. His pressures also led two four turnovers, which was the second highest mark in the NFL. So Mitchell was really good. Shout out. I don't think he was as elite respective to his position as verse was, and also in terms of positional value. I mean, I think Versus more impactful just being that level of an edge. So I'm gonna give it to him. We'll both stay on our respective sides from the mid season point. How about Coach of the year logan.

A Jared Verse hater. A. I think that he was good against the run, and he does have eleven tackles for loss on the year. B he's got the low rass sack number to anybody who is gonna look at that and see four and a half sacks, How could he be defensive rookie of the year. He was fourth in the league in pressures, man, I mean it is the top dog established superstar pass rushers and Jared Verse up there. His pressures also led two four turnovers, which was the second highest mark in the NFL. So Mitchell was really good. Shout out. I don't think he was as elite respective to his position as verse was, and also in terms of positional value. I mean, I think Versus more impactful just being that level of an edge. So I'm gonna give it to him. We'll both stay on our respective sides from the mid season point. How about Coach of the year logan.

I'm gonna give it to Dan Campbell. I think the two Coaches of the Year candidates went to battle in this last game that we saw to wrap up the regular season. I think Dan Campbell won it. Dan Campbell in his coaching staff out coached Kevin O'Connell in his coaching staff, and I was gonna give it to whoever won that football game. So I think Dan Campbell earned it. You know, Traditionally, I think this award goes to coaches who overachieved, and it'll ways. I do think the Lion's overachieved. I mean, with as many injuries as they sustained to stay the course. To have so many guys step up and do their jobs, that is a reflection of coaching. Like so many teams will crumble like a house of cards when they have to have any backups step in and do their job. They can't do it. I've never seen a defense this banged up and stay so together and it seems so well prepared for every single game. You know, again, I think it normally goes to coaches that are really unexpected, you know, maybe like a Dan Quinn or something like that. That's who I said at the midway point. I think Dan Campbell is the best coach in the league this year. I think he deserves it.

I'm gonna give it to Dan Campbell. I think the two Coaches of the Year candidates went to battle in this last game that we saw to wrap up the regular season. I think Dan Campbell won it. Dan Campbell in his coaching staff out coached Kevin O'Connell in his coaching staff, and I was gonna give it to whoever won that football game. So I think Dan Campbell earned it. You know, Traditionally, I think this award goes to coaches who overachieved, and it'll ways. I do think the Lion's overachieved. I mean, with as many injuries as they sustained to stay the course. To have so many guys step up and do their jobs, that is a reflection of coaching. Like so many teams will crumble like a house of cards when they have to have any backups step in and do their job. They can't do it. I've never seen a defense this banged up and stay so together and it seems so well prepared for every single game. You know, again, I think it normally goes to coaches that are really unexpected, you know, maybe like a Dan Quinn or something like that. That's who I said at the midway point. I think Dan Campbell is the best coach in the league this year. I think he deserves it.

I think that the Lions make a strong case for best coaching staff. I probably still go with the Chiefs. If you give me Andy Reid and Spags in a big game, I'll bet on those two guys. But when you consider not just Campbell and who he is as a culture guy and what he does for their philosophy as a football team, what he is as a motivator, you also have I think the best offensive coordinator in football and Ben Johnson and one of the best defensive coordinators in Aaron Glenn. They've got a hell of a coaching staff, and to some extent, I do feel like Coach of the Year is kind of a collective award. I know that they give out Assistant Coach of the Year, but nobody cares about that. Nobody talks about that. However, My expectation before the year was that the Lions would be the one seed in the NFC, and I think your expectation before the year was that the Lions would be the one seed. At least I'm almost positive that's what I picked. And you have another team in the division whose preseason win total over under was six and a half man And I'm not saying that the Lions didn't run into some unanticipated bumps and bruises, because obviously their defense was decimated with injuries. I still think what Kevin O'Connell did with the Vikings is more impressive to me, and I get it. I thought that Dan Campbell did get the best of their battle the other night, and that kind of leaves a sour taste in your mouth, maybe with KOC, but it doesn't change the fact that they went fourteen to three. They more than doubled their preseason win total over under, and he completely revived Sam Darnold to the point where people had old Sammy Darnald Old see and go Sammy in MVP conversations. That's incredible. And again, when it comes to sort of viewing this as a collective coaching staff award, to some extent at least. I think Brian Flores did an unbelievable job with this defense. I love their philosophy, I love how much they bring pressure, and they were one of the absolute best groups in football. And I also think that they really got the most out of their offense. I think the play calling was good. I think it was a very balanced offense, and they just to me, squeezed every ounce out of their ability on both sides of the ball. Honestly, the guy who I considered more than Dan Campbell, just because it's so hard for me if I expect you to be great, even if you do overcome some adversity and overachieve a bit, it's just probably not going to compete with like the real surprise success story, especially if you win fourteen games as a surprise like Minnesota did. But the guy I was considering Sean Payton. I really think Sean Payton did a phenomenal job. And anytime you can get bone Nicks to throw for thirty touchdowns in a season, man, you might just be the goat. You might just be the goat. And that was not a team I expected at all to see in the playoffs. I thought they'd be one of the worst teams in football, and here they are. They won ten games elite defense. Thought that was a really great job the Broncos coaching staff did in totality, but especially Sean.