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Nerd Sesh - Game 1 Reactions: Harden & Clippers embarrass Mavs, Thunder survive Pelicans

Published Apr 22, 2024, 7:08 AM

The nerds react to another wild day of NBA playoff action, breaking down how James Harden, Paul George and the Clippers managed to blow out Luka Doncic, James Harden and the Dallas Mavericks even without Kyrie Irving. Then, they discuss the intense battle between Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum and the New Orleans Pelicans against Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Chet Holmgren and the OKC Thunder. Then, they dive into Damian Lillard's nuclear performance to lead the Milwaukee Bucks past Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers. Finally, they discuss how Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis and the Boston Celtics destroyed Bam Adebayo and the Miami Heat.

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00:00:24 - Clippers-Mavericks

00:34:58 - Thunder-Pelicans

00:55:34 - Bucks-Pacers

01:11:58 - Celtics-Heat

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Welcome everybody back into Nerd SESSH as always, I'm Carson Breburn. Alongside me is Logan Kandid and we are back baby live on YouTube again. As we said, we are gonna be doing this consistently throughout the playoffs, and this was another fun day of action. A couple of blowouts in there, but we ended the night on a real high note with that awesome just classic rock fight Pel's OKC game test who ultimately is just gonna grind this one out. We're gonna talk about that. Of course, we're gonna talk about all today's games, but we're gonna start Logan with what was like the premiere matchup on paper, that being MAVs Clippers, the series that a lot of people had been most excited for with the history there and just the caliber of these two teams. Kawhi Leonard out for this game with the right knee inflammation that kept him out down the home stretch of the regular season, and yet La gave Dallas a beat down anyways, and the star of the show Logan was your nemesis, James Harden. Do you have anything you would like to say to James at this time?

I would like to issue heartfelt apology to a mister James Harden. I did, in fact, in the weeks leading up to the playoffs, I slandered you on many different podcasts, not just this one. I called him wash. That is verbatim. I called James Harden completely washed. I expected absolutely nothing from him in this series, and I predicted and anticipated Harden getting benched somewhat early in this series.

So and I remember we were talking about, oh, what lineup configurations can the MAVs go with? So they have three strong point to attack defenders. You said, what do they need a third for? I don't care. You put on James Harden.

I did, and you know what, man, he kind he kind of abused having that third matchup. You know, the role does make a lot of difference. Harden also just had a great game, and I think my criticism of James was deserved for the stretch he was on. I think I may have gotten a little over zealous with how far I took the line there. Harden was having an abysmal stretch of this season. I recited a lot of the numbers during our shows. He was shooting below thirty percent on catching shoot jumpers, he was hovering around thirty percent on wide open threes, on open threes, and he had been a real non factor in terms of, you know, shots outside of his jump shot, in terms of creating rim pressure, in terms of getting to his midrange looks. In this one, Harden just didn't miss, you know. He got to that step back three on a lot of guys and was hitting everything in the first half. I also think Harden just did a phenomenal job of setting his teammates up for success. And that's the real stretch to look at, man that first half where the Clippers just pull away, Mavericks really can't get anything going and Harden is draining everything. You know, I was disappointed in the Mavericks defensive effort. I thought they could have tried a little better. I was disappointed with that. So I think it'll be a little tougher on Harden. But he was the start of the show. We got in that early lead and the Clippers never really looked back. And he made me a big fat humble pie today, Carson. He made me long and hard in that first half. I don't think he's gonna do this every game, but there are things that are abundantly clear. James Harden is still skilled and talented enough to do this. In an individual game setting. He is still impactful on the game in terms of betting his teammates for easy looks. And you know, he may not be the most consistent player, but in this role he can thrive and he can succeed. Man, And if we get this version of James Harden the rest of the series, it is very, very encouraging for the Clippers in their playoff hopes this season. Carson, Again, this is like you mentioned, without Kawhi Leonard, the Clippers were twenty and five this season when Harden scored twenty or more points. They were eight and one when he scored more than twenty five. In a lot of ways, James Harden helps this team raise their baseline, but in a lot of ways, he's the cherry on top man. If he produces, the Clippers normally succeed. And this one without Kawhi Leonard, Man, you couldn't pick a better game for him to step up in a very big way. So hat off to you James, I apologize and I'm gonna walk back my comments a little bit man. That man is not in fact was he looks he looks very clean, man. He looks he looks real fresh too. So I apologize hard and you made need a big fat, humble pie today.

Without Kawhi out there, he is not just the cherry on top. They need him to be the Sunday And he was like, he was awesome, And I was with you on a lot of the hard and criticism. Man, it was a super concerning level that he was playing at down the stretch, and we have seen some clear regression from him. We saw it in last year's playoff run. Even when he had these explosions, there was a level of volatility there because of his lack of quickness in rim pressure and then his struggles finishing around the room against bigger, longer athletes than met night tonight, he was not going to be the consistent offensive force that we're used to. But my feeling has always been as a third option, drawing the opposing team's third best perimeter defender, he's gonna cook, and even in this game, as like the number one option and one of only two stars out there on the floor when his pull up jumper is falling, which it usually is. He also just had a really bad shot making stretch at the end of the season, which I didn't expect to hold up. Then he's this awesome decision maker who can just kind of brutalize you in isolation and out of pick and roll with that pull up shooting, and that's what he did in this one. It was like a vintage step back clinic from him, and particularly he barbecued Luka Doncic, and that was kind of the theme early in this game in the first half, when he was really going the Clippers just exploiting Luca's defense. He was disastrous on that side of the ball, and so they ran several possessions in a row, these coffee screens for Harden, and they did it a couple times later in the game with whoever Luca was guarding at that point, Terrence Man, whoever they were trying to hide him on, basically, and they would switch that action and then Harden would just so easily get a step on Luca. And this is not anywhere close to peak quickness downhill James Harden, but he was getting by him with ease with no resistance, and then he would kick out and the Clippers spot up shooting was ridiculous in this game. Or Luca would play a little bit too far off because he's worried about getting beat off the bounce, and then Harden would just rain those pull up threes on him. So late in the game. Also, like they were legitimately matched up on each other, the Mavericks put Luca on Harden for a stretch and he just couldn't stay in front of him then. So the MAVs just had an awful, awful first half, mostly offensively, but the defense was an issue as well, and they were consistently put in rotation by the Clippers attacking Luka Doncic, involving him as much as possible, and ultimately they weren't sharp enough on those rotations. I thought they had some poor effort on closeouts throughout this game, but it was just a significant disadvantage that they were put at because of his inability to defend these star creators at the point of attack, and particularly James Harden. But everybody was bad in that first half for Dallas, Like it was as bad a half of basketball as you could possibly play. And considering how great this team was down the stretch, it was legitimately shocking. They were missing good looks around the rim. The spot up shooters were just clanging. Kyrie and Luca both were taking a lot of tough pull up jumpers and they were missing all of them. And then by the end of the half they just felt disengaged. It was like Luca didn't want to assert himself at all at that point, he had kind of just taken his foot off the gas. In those last few minutes of the second quarter, they felt totally deflated and you could see guys didn't want to take shots. There's one possession where I think it's Derek Jones Junior and Dante Exum like they have an advantage and they're basically playing compotato. Neither of them wants to take a good look from three. And I do think one of the things that we flagged is a concern logan with this MAVs offense is you have this unbelievable star shot creation and you have guys who theoretically can knock down shots around them, but your starting configuration features two pretty questionable spot up shooters like PJ. Washington will have his good stretches, he'll also have his bad stretches, and overall hasn't been very good there. Derek Jones Junior is even more of a question mark. And in this game, PJ goes two of seven from deep not good enough. Derek Jones Junior only zero of one. As I mentioned, didn't seem comfortable confident taking those shots, and so ultimately they just need to play the guys who will confidently step into those catch and shoot jumpers. PJ is always going to take them. Like pj's volume since he got to Dallas, he is like consistently consistently third on the team in shot attemps. He's willing to step up and take those looks, but he doesn't always make them. So the supporting cast didn't produce offensively. Defensively, they had some real issues and Luca was the biggest part of that. And Luca didn't play well in this game offensively either. I know that the stat line ends up looking pretty good because he's Luca and he can just kind of will himself to that, but he ends up with thirty three points, just six assists though eleven of twenty six shooting, and he only had eleven points in the first half, and they made their little mini runs in the second half, but like the game was pretty much over at that point. I thought Terrence Man did a very solid job on him in Kawhi's absence, but ultimately I thought it was mostly just an issue of shot selection. Like Man is able to pester him right, and he has some quickness, but Luca is just so much bigger and stronger that he should be able to consistently win that matchup if he is willing to assert himself physically and to not just say and they're sitting and drop as Zubats is hanging out in the paint, like I don't really want to go downhill. I'm just gonna see if I can make this mid range step back or this step back three And he didn't in this game. And there were too many spots where it felt like he had a guy in jail trapped on his back and pick and roll, and instead of getting to his floater, which he did very easily a couple times, he would still step back in that situation. It was a frustrating Luca game where you felt like he had an opportunity to get to his spots in and around the paint more consistently. He had an opportunity to bully guys in isolation more frequently, and there were spots where he did posted up the guards at a couple points in this game that led to good offense. Also, every time that they switched Zubots onto him, he scored. That was three possessions, two step back jumpers. He tends to take those step out looks against Zubots, but it's because he gets a lot of space because Zubats has to play off of him because he's worried about the drive. And then he got fouled one other time, so we had his good moments, Like, of course he's Luka Dacic, He's an absolute freak offensively, but this sort of inefficiency, this little playmaking impact, just like not creating that many great shots for his teammates and ultimately not pressuring the paint enough, that was not a good performance from Luca. He has that tendency to settle at times, and this year it's become more acceptable because he's been so ridiculously good on those step back threes. But when those shots aren't falling, it's like, dude, you're six eight, you're crazy strong. Your touch is unreal. You can make every pass. You play with such great pace that you're able to trap defenders consistently on your back, get into that painted area, create advantages for yourself actively and your team, and he didn't do that enough in this one. He'll dominate this series offensively when he buys in, but because of that underwhelming offensive performance and because of how bad he was defensively, I think everybody for Dallas except for Kyrie, was bad in this game, but Luca bears a good deal of responsibility. I think some people might see the stat line at the end of the day and say, oh, Luca and Kyrie doing everything, no surprise, And to some extent that's true. Like Luca still got his in the home stretch of this game, but it wasn't a good performance from him.

I mean, to me, the second half really doesn't even matter when you're really evaluating this, because the game was over at the end of the first half. Like the time for Luca to exert himself was in that second quarter stretch. Luca was settling for a ton of pull up jumpers. He was really passive, and that's something that I had an issue with, was he was generating really good looks for PJ. Washington and Derek Jones Junior, these non shooters. But at a point when these guys are clearly not wanting to shoot the ball and clearly missing everything, that's just a spot where I need Luka or Kyrie to consciously go, hey, I got to take this game over. I got to get to my spots. I got to do my thing. And this was one of the worst halves in quarters for the Mavericks this season. They score eight total points in the second quarter, they go two of twenty. They don't crack thirty total points until one minute left in the second quarter, And like, like you said, credit to the Mavericks and for Kyrie for cutting the lead to twelve, But I just thought that I thought there were a lot of different things that the MAVs could have done offensively to generate a higher shot quality one, like you mentioned, just involving zubats and actions. I thought they didn't run nearly enough high pick and roll. And I know they ran a lot, obviously it's a you know, heavy bait Dallas's offense, but I just mean higher like logo screens with Livelyader Gafford or whoever has Zoo on them and just getting him involved up high. I didn't think there was nearly enough of that at the beginning of this game. And then, like you said, dude, if PJ. Washington and Derek Jones Junior aren't going to be hitting their shots, give me Josh Green, give me Dante Xim, give me Tim Hardaway Junior. Like the Clippers sold out on Luca. They made it really evident in this game that when those lineup configurations are out there like that, they are going to send way more attention to Luca and try to make these non shooters kill them. But you just got to try something else, man. If the Mavericks can't be this offensively limited, if they want to win this series, man, just they have to get more out of their spot up guys, because LUKEA and Kyrie are going to command that kind of attention every single game. And then on the flip of this, Carson, I just think, I think a Viza Zubots is kind of just a nightmare matchup problem for Dallas. I think he calls. I think he causes a lot of issues for Dallas. We'll get into the Clipper side of the thing. I'll wrap up the Mavericks, though, point blank period. They got to shoot better Dallas. Carson is five and nine when they make ten or fewer threes, you know, three point shooting and being prolific from behind the arc. He's just a basis of this Dallas offense. And they go ten of thirty three in this game. As you mentioned, Derek Jones, Jutni or PJ shoot horribly. And I don't want people to look at this as a Luca game and go this was good because he ends up with thirty three points, thirteen boards, and six assists. In the first half. He dropped eleven points on four to thirteen shooting and one of seven from deep. His defensive effort, Carson, you touched on it was horrible. I was so disappointed they were picking on him that one possession with Harden. Dude, Lucas signed is standing like laterally to him. He's just giving him the lane and Harden pushes him all the way to the paint until he stops and hits a floater. And not only was I disappointed with his defensive effort too, I thought Luca's conditioning was really bad. Man. I didn't think he looked like he was in like game shape, like ready to go. It looked like these first two quarters really ate him alive. The good news for Dallas is, I don't know if you agree with me. I don't really think he can get much worse. This was a rock bottom performance from Dallas at least a hope. Man, this was really bad. And so if they're gonna do this, I'm glad that they got it out of the out of the way in game one and can move on. But yeah, they can't come out with this kind of effort. And I also just thought, man, the Clippers came out with a really good game plan. I thought Tyleru had the clips ready to play, ready to go. They had a great game plan. A great way of it was deliberate. They had a deliberate way that they were going to attack Dallas, and I thought they came out the gates doing that. Man, Dallas looked underprepared and just underperform. Man, I think this is the worst Dallas is gonna look all series long.

If it's not bro then I don't know what the hell could happen? Literally, how could they look worse? Kawhi wasn't on the floor and they were down. What was it twenty six at the half?

Like that was? It was like thirty.

Man, it was humiliating half of basketball, and there's no way to come back from that. The Luca is a good defender narratives, Man, can we put that one to bed? Can we please please put that one to bed? Because it's just so absurd and you see it in this game. He is so clearly the weak point on this Dallas defense and just was relentlessly targeted.

Well not even like physically, man, It really like it's an effort thing too, Dude, Luca wasn't trying, like.

Yeah, it's an effort thing. And I thought also off ball, like there's a couple spots where it's like, Luca, you got to rotate over and get a hand up, man. But that lack of foot speed is also a real issue, and I thought that that was pretty consistently exploited in this game. The other good news for the MAVs, which I think is better news, is that they do have options to tinker with. And I thought as this game went along and they could sort of see, Okay, this lie clearly is not working right now, Zubots is going through Daniel Gaffer, Derek Jones Junior won't shoot the ball like they were able to try some different options, and I thought the Kleba minutes were a positive. They actually were plus six with him on the floor, and he played a lot as this game went along, And obviously this game didn't meet all that much after the first half, but he embraced the physicality of that matchup with Zoo in a positive way. He attacked the offensive class, he made some nice simple reads as a passer, and then he wasn't knocking down as spot up jumpers in this game, but he does bring that dimension to floor spacing, and I really want to see more Josh Green in this series. I just think he brings like the most complete combination that you could want from a role player to meet PJ kind of has to play because he's just the best perimeter defender and he does have the athletic tools to have an impact offensively when his shot is following that not a lot of guys here can replicate, and that size is really important. But when you're looking at like the Derek Jones Junior x some kind of minutes, I think Exam has been really good this year because he's knocking down his spot up jumpers and defending well. But Josh Green when he came into this game just like brought that infusion of athleticism and energy that if he had been out there earlier maybe could have made a difference. He had three stocks in nine minutes he was attacking in transition and on top of that athleticism in that defensive playmaking, he's a very solid decision maker, like quality passer offensively, and he shot the ball really well this year. So I would like to see him probably more than Derek Jones junior. Derek Jones Junior, I would say is a better on ballpoint of attack defender, but just more offensively limited Sometimes Josh Green it's like a little out of control offensively, But I just think he brings more positive traits to the table, and the MAVs like have a solid depth of options that they can explore there. So that is the good news in terms of room for improvement, and Luca will absolutely play better. The bad news, of course, is the Clippers dominated this game without Kawhi Leonard, and we've talked James Harden rule in that you mentioned Zoo Bots beyond Dallas just struggling, so significantly. What were some of the other keys to La dominating this game.

Yeah, I mentioned Zoo. Uh. I think he just poses such a problem for Dallas. Like defensively, I don't know what they really do to slow him down. He's so big. I mean, I just throw it to him on the low block and like let him go to work. They set him up for a lot of easy shots like that one where Russ was coming down and Transition laid it off to him. He's just so big, like that shot is just almost unaffectable at times where even guys like Lively and Gafford really can't touch him. I mean, and he can dominate the glass in those minutes too. I wonder if Dallas should maybe explore some options they're talking about maybe taking Derrick Jones junior out. I do think they need more offensive creation in terms of guys who can attack closeouts and hit shots in the mid range and just just do more with the ball in their hands. But I wonder maybe if Dallas should tinker with a like Kleeba and Gafford or Cleba and Lively kind of look when they go like really big.

We saw a little bit of that tonight. But yeah, I agree that's something to try at least.

I think Zoo is just a matchup problem where every and that's why I really think it's important that La gets him involved more when they're on or excuse me, Dallas gets him more involved in the pick and roll when they're on offense, tire him out, attack him on defense where he's at his weakest because he's just a mismatch man. That guy is so physical and so big that it's just he's just hard to mess with. And then I thought this was a great game from a lot of Clippers role players. I want to give a big shout out to Russell Westbrook. You talk about infusion of athleticism and energy off the bench. I've been critical of russ Man and I've been skeptical, but you talked about the difference in role this season for James harden Carts and how he's the third guy again, his role is different because Kawhi is out in this game. I think the same thing with Russell Westbrook. Man. I just think the Clippers is it's a really good environment for both of these guys and their new roles. You're not gonna be superstar forever, you know, it's we'd like to think so that not everybody can be Lebron and just be at their apex for twenty years, you know what I mean. We've been spoiled with a guy like that, and it makes you lose sight sometimes that we can and I'd really think that off the bench as an energy guy, as a tempo setter, like when Russ came into the game, Man, he's got some big time dunks that just fire the crowd up or you know, the road fans. At least he just infused energy. He got out on the break a couple of times. He was crashing the glass hard, just playing hard. Man. This is a really good role in environment for Russ. A mere coffee. I thought gave the Clippers really good minutes and played really good defense tonight. The Clippers, Like I said, man about TYLERU, Like, the Clippers just seemed really really prepared for this game. They had a really good strategy on offense and what they were gonna do. They were just ready and that was a dynamic that I don't think I honed in on enough in the series preview. Is I do think the Mavericks are a better team, and I think we're going to get a better outlook. The Clippers have a ton of playoff experience and just you know, knowledge of how to act and composure for the big moments. Man. It's a lot of guys in Dallas like pj or Josh Green or Dante exe. Man. You know, this is their first real look at you know, actual playoff ball and competitive moments. And I think the Clippers have that advantage too. So the Clippers are really prepared, Man, And I thought a lot of their death pieces played well, but specifically, I think Zoo poses a problem the rest of this series. And I think Russ guys like Russ Coffee, Norm Powell, Terrence Man, I think they all have their the ways that they can really impact this game. Man, the Clippers, I think I underestimated him a little bit coming in, Man, and especially the fact that you didn't eat Kawhi for this game is all the more encouraging.

It was a great performance from La and that was the challenge about their struggles down the stretch, hard and really having a rough end of the regular season. Letting the rope go defensively, although I think that was pretty clearly an effort issue for an aging team that had secured at least a top four seat at that point, but the Kawhi healthing also being another red flag. We saw how high the ceiling for this team was, and there's a reason that for a significant stretch of the regular season they were the number two team out West in my eyes and I think in most people's eyes, and to do this without Kawhi is super impressive. The collective shooting, of course, was super important, Like this is just a great shooting team up and down, and you really saw the value of that when they got the MAVs in rotation, they were just knocking down those open, catch and shoot threes. Did an awesome job there. Harden was nails as a pull up shooter PG. His shot making is just so special. I mean, he had that stretch in the third quarter where he's just raining three threes on you in a matter of a few possessions and he just kind of got a shrug and be like, what can you really do? One of them was a pretty open spot up look, but he is just a so smooth man, such a beautifully skilled perimeter shot maker. But Zoo is a problem here, and this is it's something that we discussed in our series preview if the MAVs could force this into a small ball series, and their small ball ultimately isn't that small Because you have Klebet the five, who's like a big, physical six to ten guy, you have PJ in the front court. That would be advantageous for them. But the problem is when you get those looks like Zoo is just one of the best mismatch attacking bigs in the league, and I don't think he gets enough credit for that. He's a ninety second percentile post score and not only is he absolutely massive in terms of height and then also super strong and physical. He is the best touch shot maker in terms of bigs not named Miko Yolkic, and it's really not close. I think he actually shot like sixty six percent in the paint outside the restricted area this year, which is even better than Yolkach. I mean, he throws up those hooks and touch shots and like you just know that they're gonna go win a significant majority of the time. And Gafford looked absolutely shell shot, dude, Like, I love that approach from Tay to immediately feeds Zubots attack what you don't think of as like a glaring mismatch, but Gafford's conceding a few inches and if he's not gonna be physical enough, then those are just gonna be easy points for Zobots. So that was obviously a problem early in this game. And then consistently he really effectively attacked the glass, and he did do a nice job of finishing as a cutter and a roller with that special touch of his. I do think they played him better with Lively, who even though he's not as strong, he's not as stoutly built as Gafford, He's so much taller and longer that it felt like he actually fared better and he just looked more like prepared for that matchup. And then I also thought Kleiba again, like there's one possession where Zoo ends up scoring on a post up against Kliba, but at least he like has to grind him with the back down. It was much more physical resistance than Gafford, who just it looked like he was shooting layups over him. But Zu is tough to match up with in this series, and he's just a good basketball player, and defensively also like has his impact as a rim protector and a deterrent down there and a rebounder. He's really really good and I want to give him as flowers for this game. But you also mentioned just the preparation difference, like Tylu is just so much better as a coach than Jason Kidd, and I felt like we saw that in this game. You mentioned like the early game priorities, right feeding Zoo, attacking Luca whenever they could, forcing those switches with the guard on guard screens, but also like every ato in this game, dude was beautiful from the Clippers. They were just drawing up free buckets, and it felt like the difference in coaching caliber really mattered in this game that I maybe didn't expect it to in this series.

Coaching caliber, and then I just think overall offensive skill, I think I underestimated how many guys the Clippers can just go deep to that have bucket getting abilities. Man. I mean from Terrence Man to Norm Powell to Rust to Harden to PG. You know, there's a real difference there. But preparedness I think was huge. Just the MAVs didn't have like a go to, you know, action, They didn't have something they could just reliably get to. And I thought Luca generated a lot of high quality shots. Again, I thought he should have changed his approach after he saw how much his teammates were clanging the rim. But he was generating good looks immediately. But it's like again the Dallas. Dallas wasn't deliberate in trying to to do something the Clippers. You know, you could tell there was an intent every time down MAVs.

It's like Luca pick and roll, Kyrie secnroll.

Yeah, yeah, it was a Luca, let's figure Luca figure it out, you know, and there's a there's a flow. There was a you know, like even when a mere coffee's touching the rocket's like, man, you know, a mirror looks confident. Loo's like he knows what he's doing, you know. And with Dallas, it's a it's just a different dynamic. And so I don't mean to just point the finger adjacent, kidd, but I really think that is the guy that I look at and I go, man, man, he got out schemed, he got out outworked a little bit, man, and La came prepared. And I wonder if the Kawhi thing threw them off a little bit, you know, if Dallas thought, oh, no, Kawhi. You know, there's gonna be a cake walk and uh, Dallas got smacked in the jaw. Man, that's a that's a huge component. Man. Tyler is a great coach. I can't remember who I was talking with, but I think we were doing a Twitter space or something and somebody asked me, you know where, who are the like top coaches that you have in terms of playoffs getting guys ready schematics. Tyler to me is number two man behind coach spou. You know those are the top two guys, And uh, hats off Tyler Heed. These boys ready to play energy wise, had them ready to go schematic wise, and they just had a really great game plan today against Dallas man and they executed two perfection.

And even without Kawhi, if Harden plays at this level, then they just have a formula to be a really good basketball team. Then they have two great shot creators, they have shooting everywhere. They have a really solid, physical big, great play finisher who can protect the rim. And so that's good formula. But I definitely felt like Dallas did just kind of get smacked in the mouth in this one, and they didn't feel ready for the moment. And that's a big, big squandered opportunity because we can look at this and say, oh, all these things will go better for Dallas going forward. Man, you had a game without Kawhi Leonard out there and you got your ass kicked. You were non competitive in that game, and that is a challenge. I do want to give Dallas props for guarding Paul George Well. I thought that that was the one thing on the defensive end that they did pretty well. Both Derek Jones Junior and PJ did a good job. PJ Washington really has embraced the defensive side of the ball and been awesome there for Dallas. And then in terms of help, like they met him at the rim twice. Once it was Klee, but once I think it was gaffered. He rose up for a classic PG poster and he was denied both times. But like I said, he had that stretch in the third where it's just like, all right, Pg's not gonna miss and ultimately there's nothing that you can really do about that. Like, he just has those stretches as a shot maker that are unreal. I will say Harden had an alle some game in this one, and I think the ability to exploit Luca is very concerning. I also think that this is still the same James Harden, the same James Harden who ultimately wasn't getting all the way downhill right, He's getting a stip step, getting that free throw line area and then making a decision. Really, it was that his step back jumper was phenomenal in this game. He was two of six inside the arc. And that is the same guy who could erupt for forty in a playoff game last year and then also could give you twelve on four to fifteen shooting like that is just the volatility that is baked into his game right now when he doesn't have that same ability to pressure the rim an even close to what he used to do. This was an awesome game from him, but if you were asking him to carry this load consistently, I wouldn't feel great about that.

I think his hot start was the reason he started going to that more though, in attacking more, because it was like, I'm hot, I'm gonna keep going. Yeah, you know, he normally doesn't get to that elbow jumper. He bangs those two step back threes, and then they have to respect him, so they close out hard, and then he crab dribbles in they you know, he they backpedal a little too far to the paint. He stops and pops and hits that pull up jumper because it's like, once you hit those two deep threes, it's like, oh, my touch is on. You know, I'm feeling it now. Now I got to figure out if I can just hit everything. And Harden was I'll give him that. And that's the part that I think I underestimated a little too much about James Harden. With these all time great shooters and scores shooters touch man, you get one or two to get going, you get in that rhythm and you can have a big game like this. I do agree with you, though I don't expect this kind of thing consistently. And when his pull up jumper isn't hidden, I think we still know who James Harden is. But it was. It was a great game. And the one thing I hated, though, is after he started hitting those shots, the one then he started flailing and looking for fouls, and that one foul on Kleeba really made me mad that Harden. When Harden was behind the arc and he flailed, he flails his left legout and he initiates all the contact that was still frustrating from Harden. But again, man, uh, tip of my cap to the legend man. A big game in a really big spot where the Clippers needed him, they needed him desperately.

Great hard game. Also just incredible, dude. He's been in the playoffs every single year of his career. Like that is impressive. Obviously. Okay, see, you gotta give most of the props to Russ and Kadi, but still, like that's pretty remarkable just to consistently be on that stage. Last thing I'm saying, though, when it comes to sustaining this right, he's two o six inside the arc. Last year in the playoffs, James Harden gave you three and a half field goals a game inside the arc on under forty one percent, and the finishing numbers around the rim were just brutal. So I just think perhaps there's a little bit of a victory lap for all the hardened people. And all I'm saying is we shouldn't count our chickens before they've hatched.

Do you want to call him wash now? It was my turn?

Well no, no, no, logan, because he's not locked. This man was an all star conversations at the All Star break. You took it too far, but I consider myself a more reasonable hard and skeptic, and that does ultimately remain. I think this is still gonna be a great series, but Dallas has to be more engaged defensively, have to shoot better, and ultimately play the guys who are gonna knock down their shots. I think there's some lineup tinkering to do. Luca's gotta be better, and they missed a big opportunity here with Kawhi out, and I really hope Kawhi plays. Man If Kawhi doesn't play, We're just gonna look at this entire Clippers ere and be like, that's one of the biggest what ifs in basketball history, because people love to clown on the Clippers, but when they've all been healthy, like they've so consistently been good with PG and Kawhi and whatever configuration around them. So I hope we see it, and I hope we get to see another awesome series between these two teams. The eighty two game preseason is in the books, and it's finally time for the real season. Don't miss out on any of the NBA playoff action at Draft Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From the play in tournament through the finals. DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered with same game parlays, live betting odds, boosts, and so much.

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Let's talk about the the Closer Tonight logan, which was a really awesome, classic rough playoff game. Okase he holds off New Orleans. We didn't get a chance to do a full preview for this series because we didn't know who Okayse was gonna be facing until Friday night. What was your biggest takeaway from this one?

You know, Shake Gilles Alexander has bred for these kind of environments, and I thought it was just really appropriate that we got to see this Thunder team. You know a lot of these guys collectively making their playoff debuts and there, you know, start on the biggest stage here, and we got to see him in a real playoff environment, grimy, nasty, dirty, slowed down. You know, you really got to grind out the other team to get buckets in the Oklahoma City. Thunder answered the call man SGA. You know, didn't play a perfect game, but he's just so consistent that throughout the game he's gonna work to find those shots. And he gets to the line seven times, knocks down six free throws, he goes eleven to twelve. He's got twenty eight points, six boards, and four assists, and he has a couple of bad turnovers towards the end of this game, where it's like, uh, oh, are the lights getting a little too bright? What's the verdict gonna be? Because it's really these crucial moments where everybody dictates their decision on. You know, you can have your stat line, but did you win or lose? When the chips were down. SGA may have had a couple of bad possessions, but he also slammed the door, and I think it just gave you a great picture into who he is and what he does. That's what I said after SGA that big That's what SGA does. Man, he is going to find that shot. He's gonna hunt it. He's gonna do with every possession, and he's got a counter to it. I just think that because of how the Thunder playball, they may not be the most optimal team for these rock fight environments, but they're gonna consistently generate high quality shots. Like the fact that they can run five out consistently with Chet you know and Lou and these guys holding everybody to open up all this space for their guys to attack. It just gives SGA and JDub clean paints man where they can go with these guys and either get all the way downhill or slam on the brakes. And for all these young guys, I was really impressed with the Thunders young stars man Sga consistently hunting and finding his shot, generating good looks. Jalen Williams throughout the game, consistently hunting and finding great looks. And then Chet Holmgren. You know, he had one hell of a task on his plate today going up against a guy like Jonas Valencunis, And I want to give a lot of credit to the Thunder collective for the effort that they had on the glass. That's a tough matchup, and valence Unas got his, that's certain. He had nine offensive rebounds, he had twenty total boards. He's gonna eat in this series. But the Thunder made life hard. The thunderall tried really hard, and Chet did a great job of being a real rim to turn and just protecting the rim. Five blocks in this game made some game changing plays there down to the wire to where he's got a crucial block, like you know you can clown on Chet, which you want. Chet's very slight, and there were a lot of plays in this game where that was evident, where he's going up for a layup and goes to the ground, or he's going up for a rebound and he goes to the ground. He's gonna get bodied, but he's not gonna back down from the fight, and he is gonna be one of the best rim protectors in the league like he's been all year long. That was what I took away from this game, man, is this Thunder team may be young, but I think they're ready for this kind of environment. I think they're ready for the challenge of the playoffs and they're not gonna back down to anybody. Man. They may be young, they may be inexperience, but they're ready and they got a lot of fight in them. Man. I was really impressed with this young group, the energy, the effort they brought. And I don't know, I don't know why shod that surprised either. Man. It's what this Thunder group's been doing all year long, man, and they show it to us once again here in the first game. I was really impressed with really the three big young stars for Oklahoma City.

It's a great win for them, dude, because this is this is a tough game to grind out when you don't have that playoff experience, And it was almost comical how little playoff experience was on the court in the fourth quarter of this game, just like how many shots were being missed. And there was a lot of great defense played in this game, but there were also a lot of misshots and there was just sort of like a frenetic, chaotic feel to the game. It felt appropriate. Obviously CJ's been there, Bi's been there for one series, Larry Nantz is like one of the most experienced playoff dudes on the floor, and okay, see really has nobody. Gordon Hayward plays a little bit in this game, but obviously he's not closing. But ASGA, I thought proved himself in a meaningful way. I have been super optimistic about SGA in these playoff environments because I think we have a tendency to say, oh, that guy hasn't done it, so we can't give him credit, even if his skill set is conducive to delivering in that environment. Just because SGA has never been in the playoffs as a first option, a lot of people have acted like he won't perform well there. And the one criticism that I could see about that is just the sheer physicality of the playoffs. Now, I think SGA generates a lot of physicality of his own, and I think the other notion that people will sort of lump in with the physicality is like, oh, he's a foul merchant. No, he draws a lot of legitimate fouls, but he is ultimately a slider guy. But he held up well there, I thought, And this is against some great point of attack defenders. What is so so valuable about SGA's game is that, yes, he is so incredibly hard to stop downhill and he's going to pressure the rim, and he was the leading scoring guard in the restricted area this season. But it's the ability to stop on a dime and kill you with that short mid range shot making that is basically always going to be there and is going to make it so you aren't susceptible to oh man, my pull up threes aren't following and I'm just gonna shoot myself out of this game. He can consistently get to those high percentage shots without having to get all the way to the rim where help can converge on him, and he did that early in this game. He was on fire, and then they tested him in a big way. You mentioned that stretch where he has three turnovers in the fourth quarter over just a few possessions, and at a couple points they were sending doubles his way that troubled him. He also just at one point, like threw a pass out of bounds off another one of the doubles as well. He just was totally inaccurate with the pass he tried to make off that read. But ultimately, even against this awesome point of attack defense with Herb Jones and Tree, Murphy, all these great dudes, he closed the door, got to that MIDI and then had that and one runner. I just think he's phenomenal. I think he's one of the most dazzling scorers, if not the most, just in terms of like the spectacle of how he does it, how fun it is to watch in the league. And it was big to me that he was able to pull through even when things were ugly, even when he was challenged both in terms of personnel and scheme. His decision making like isn't elite. That is a reality with Shay. He's a very good passer, but he's not perfect there. But he was able to lean on just that special mid range shot making to close this one out, and the thunder defensively were so clutching this game. I want to give a big old shout out logan to your guy. I liked him a lot. You absolutely loved Keson Wallace as a draft prospect. He was your dude, and this is why. This is why I loved him too. The floor with this guy has always been so high. He's gonna knock down his jumpers, he's gonna make good decisions with the ball, and he is going to be a pest defensively. And I thought he was phenomenal on CJ on the last play of that game. Maybe a CJ isolation against a point of attack defender of that caliber isn't the best offense you can get, but he gave him fitsman poked that ball out and then ultimately won them the game. And that was really impressive to see from a rookie. And he should be playing more. He should be closing consistently. You can give him several more of those Josh Gidde minutes in my book, But that was a really awesome moment from a young guy on this super young team that delivered in a really tough situation.

Hughes for Casson, and he was kind of a big, a big pest for McCollum all game long. I didn't understand that final possession from New Orleans. If I was New Orleans one, I would have had McCollum probably shoot that ball with like five or six seconds in the shot clock, because I thought Valencens down there on the class like, we just have an advantage. If he misses, there's a good chance that he gets the rebound and can go back up with it, or just point play period. Man, toss it to toss it to Valentunis, you know, early in the shot clock, and just see if he can get a look against Chet. But and that's an advantage of Oklahoma City. Man, It's just they have so many guys that just do everything and not just Caseon. You want to talk about defense, Dude, Lou Dort, we all know what a menace he is. Man put you in that Dorcher chamber. I thought he did a great job all night long on brandon Ingram, playing him physically hustling, crashing the glass. And on the flip of this too. I'm glad you brought up the fact that Uh, you know, dude, this is not an easy test for SGA or Jalen Williams in terms of the cast that they're attacking. Dude, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy and Brandon Ingram. And it's not just the fact that they're all really long wings that you know, we're good defenders. It's the fact that and I think Herb and Trey are in a different class than b I. But it's the fact that all three of them on the court together, if they're all on the wings, like, that's just hard to drive into. That's a lot easier for those guys to dig and collapse on you when you're driving the paint like it's like, you know, running through a forest or something. Those are a lot of tree branches that you're trying to get through. That just makes life hard. And they persevered. Man, the thunder were up to the challenge. I will say on that giddy point, Man, I just eradicate his minutes. I just wouldn't. I mean, like, what does what does he.

Like an appropriately strong term.

I just sat there the whole game and I was like, all right, man, well he's not hitting the floater, he's not hitting the jumper. He's grabbing a couple of rebounds. I just thought, give it to Casson, give it to Aaron WIGGI give it to Gordon Hayward, like I don't know, man, anybody else. I was thoroughly disappointed. Uh, and I thought defensively he was a negative. I was thoroughly disappointed with giddy minutes. But uh, this is this is a great battle, man, and the thunder uh thunderers up to it. Man, this is a They're gonna need this kind of energy and this kind of effort every single night against New Orleans, man because they are a little bit of a physical disadvantage, I think in terms of just size. But I think we can anticipate this man. I would though, Man, I think i'd I think I just sit giddy the rest of the series. Man, I don't really think he does anything for me. And because New Orleans is normally trotting out a smaller guard too, if that's Alvarado or McCollum, I think you can get away a little bit with more with having a guy like Caison out there or another one of these guards like Isaiah Joe or you know where. You're not a You're not leaving yourself with a really bad mismatcher. You know, one guy they can attack out there because the other team does too.

Giddy was very bad in this game, and I'm not a Josh Giddy guy, been pretty open about that. Made a whole YouTube video about how I felt he was basically a walking playoff liability waiting to happen for this team, and some of the very concerning ways that we saw teams guard him in the regular season, where they would put their center on him and then they could have a full time helper and he would just leave Giddy in the corner and he would break or he wouldn't shoot. Then he played better down the stretch of this season, like significantly better. He looked a lot more confident. He was knocking down his open spot up jumpers, he was attacking closeouts with more confidence and getting to his floaters and finishing better there. But I was always very concerned about how he would look in these spots because ultimately he is still a poor shooter of the basketball, a poor defender we all know in the touch really has been inconsistent this year. Like he had a good stretch with the floater post All Star break, but it was pretty rough earlier in the U and he really struggles to finish around the room as well. So my concern with him has always been, Yes, you're getting a really good passer, what does that matter if he can't leverage that passing by threatening the defense as a score. And what does that matter if you're effectively playing four on five because teams don't have to guard the guy? And I thought this was a really rough showing from him. He gets the one bucket in this one. But unless he is going to confidently knock down spot up jumpers and play offensively at the level he did down the stretch, play somebody else. Don't question it because everybody else is going to give you more shooting and everybody else is going to give you better point of attack defense. I think Casn's a better option Wiggins, as you laid out like they just have so many good wings. Don't play giddy when you are getting bad giddy, because bad giddy is really bad. I also want to give some extra props to lou Dort because he was phenomenal in this game. And I actually went on a Thunder podcast just last week and talked a little bit and the guys who I was talking with were mentioning how BI in the play in game against Oka See drew that door matchup, but just because of the height advantage, was able to shoot over him pretty consistently. And I thought Lou did an awesome job in this game of contesting all those jumpers and also getting up in his airspace being hyper physical with Bi. He doesn't really hold up very well against that level of physicality, and so he took a lot of tough shots in this one. And New Orleans is a really tough matchup for OKC in various ways, because of how great their defenders are on the perimeter, because of how much length they have, because of just the sheer physicality of Jonas Valanciunis. But if their two shot creators aren't both consistently delivering, then they just don't have enough offensive pop. And that's why I was confident in OKC winning this series. BI wasn't good enough in this game, but Trey Murphy almost made up for it. Trey Murphy so good just with the pure shot making. My goodness, Trey's awesome.

But I mean, that's kind of what makes Oklahoma City's formula for the playoffs so beautiful too is the fact that offensively, you have these shot creators that are just going to do their thing in isolation and SGA and JDub, And then on the flip side, you have a guy that can go up against any lead perimeter initiator in the sport in lou Dort and almost x them out. And then you have Ched Holmgren who is going to just deter everybody away from the rim. And so it just all these guys compliment each other and they all pick up for their other deficiencies, and then the collective effort. You know, you may be losing a lot of size and physicality on the interior, the collective effort makes up for where they lack on the glass. Like Oklahoma City's just damn good man, And I wonder if they're gonna be more trouble. I know they eat this one out. I think they're gonna play better. I wonder if they're gonna be more trouble in this initial run than we may have presumed. Man, I still think that their flaws are what they are, But I don't know, Man, Oklahoma City is really skilled, is really talented, and their guys are all really multifaceted man, especially with lou Dort shooting the ball the way he has this year. There's just a lot of really quality basketball players in ok See. Man, there's so many up and down this roster. Great first win for this team too, man, and I didn't want it to be. I was glad Sga handled it the way he did in such a big clutch moment, because the narrative could have gone away from that game. You know, Sga has three or four turnovers in a big spot in the fourth quarter end ends up throwing this game away for Oklahoma City. Instead, the headline is gonna be thundering them finished the job and handle business. I was just uber impressed with Oklahoma City. Man. I think I don't know, man, I think they've got a real chance at it's still making some noise. I didn't pick them, man, I think I think there might be a chance.

I'm not sure this is a game that would in any way make me more optimistic about Oka See. Like, they're clearly more talented than New Orleans. If this were a regular season game and they only won by two and it was this close and ugly late, you would probably be underwhelmed by that. From Oka. See. I think we did see like some of the realities in the fourth quarter, first stretch, they were kind of just throwing the ball around and throwing it to the other team too much, and they did test SGA's decision making and he wasn't perfect there. He pulled through, Like that's the thing. They pulled through. They had enough. But you're not getting the New Orleans Pelicans in the next round. You're getting the Clippers of the MAVs, and those are just way better basketball teams. So I wouldn't say that this in any way like maybe more optimistic about the Thunder, But I just think the Thunder are really really good, and it is a rare team that is this young and is this good period historically. It is like an extreme rarity. And to be able to hold up in this environment and win a game like this that is so ugly and is so physical is impressive. And Chet is the last guy who want I want to give a specific shout out because I love Chet. I've always loved Chet. I think that there's been a bunch of fallacies spread about his game throughout the years, Like the guy is basically the ideal modern big I was so extremely high on him as a prospect. I thought he was clearly the best guy in that class, and yeah, balance Unus is a really tough matchup for him in terms of the physicality out of the post, but also even more so on the glass, because Chet is a great defensive big because of how he can garden space and because of how he protects the rim. But it is ultimately that rebounding element in particular where he just isn't the best, but he consistently battled. And I don't want to make it sound like it's a participation trophy, but like he really did. Dude, he's jostling down there in the post, and that's always been impressive about Chet. He may weigh one hundred and ninety pounds, but compared to Wenby as a prospect, that was one of the things where I was like, Jet is just more inherently physical. He doesn't have the strength to like impose himself to dominate people physically, but he is gonna battle, man. He is down for a war, and I thought he was in this game and defensively made huge plays down the stretch, like that was the star of this game. SGA had some awesome shot making Jada had some really great moments, but it was the collective defense and Chet has a steel and two block. In the last three minutes of this game, met Larry ants at the rim a couple times. That's what he does. He is a generational rim protector. To be as great as he was there as a rookie just speaks to how special his length is, how special his timing is, how special his instincts are, and all of that was on display in this one. And I do think he has potential to have more of a sizeable impact offensively too, because one of the keys to winning that Valanceunis matchup is playing him off the floor by consistently knocking down those picking pop threes just consistently being too much of a problem in space, and he took six of them in this game. He made a couple. I can't really think of a number of Chet picking pop threes or even as a trailer in transition. That would be too much and I would be upset about it, Like, just keep on attacking there. He's such a great shooter, and even though the physicality posed issues for him, I thought this was a strong playoff debut from really one of the most special rookies that we've seen in this game in a long time.

I mean, he unlocks everything that the Thunder can do offensively. I mean again, he enables them to attack all these clean paints and to punish teams for when they do that, Like the five out just makes it work like uh, and there was one man too. Uh. Chet had another three where they just left him wide open. Again Valentchunas didn't go out and contest it, and it just rimmed out. I mean, I'm expecting every one of those the Chet takes to fall. I mean, he's such an even when he missed. I think he missed a free throw in this game, and that blew my mind, Like I'm never really expecting I'm never really expecting Check to miss a shot. He is such an elite shooter. And I think maybe they could even get more creative Carson if they want to give Chet some more handling responsibilities and stuff and like inverted pick and roll and uh, try some of that stuff to you know, to get Jonas uh to defend out in space, even exploit that even more. Man, there's not really a good answer. And again, man, the more that Chet can do that.

The more.

It drags the five guy out of the paint more. It you know, opens up everything else with this thunder offense. Uh And but again, for this to be the first playoff game for a lot of these young guys makes it all the while more impressive. Man, it did get ugly. It did get a little scary there towards the end, where it felt like a high school game where the ball keeps getting turned over the second it passes half court. But Thunder persevered. Man, this is this is a big win for this young team.

Really good win, really tough win. This series is gonna be something of a war. But ultimately I do think they have too much offensive skill and they have too much talent to not win out here. But this was a really interesting test in their first game on this stage. All right, Logan, let's talk Bucks Pacers, because I picked the Pacers to win this series in six and my thought process was basically, without Yiannis, the Bucks are gonna have a really hard time stopping this dynamic Pacers offense. There's specific matchup stuff that is really problematic, the speed and the pace of the Pacers against this slow old Bucks team. Brook Lopez and Drop against Tyrese Halliburton, and then I thought, Dame, with the level he's been playing at, with the lack of athletes, I don't love Milwaukee's formula to creating great offense even against a very flawed Indiana defense. So I was like, if Jannis misses two games, I think Indiana steals them both. Clearly I was wrong because the score may not look that bad at the end, but this was a thirty point game at the half. This and Mads Clippers both it was just like, all right, this game's over within the first twenty minutes. What did you think of Milwaukee's performance in this one?

I was really impressed. Damian Lillard was a big reason of why I expected Milwaukee to, you know, survive Giannis's absence. Dame Time's real. Dame's one of those guys that I just believe in, and I didn't know he was gonna do this. I mean, this is a historic playoff performance. He goes for thirty five points in the first half. It's the second most points in the first half of a playoff game in the play by play eras. That's since the ninety six ninety seven season. Carson, do you know who has the most. Can you pull that?

Do you have that most since ninety six ninety seven in the playoffs? Oh? Man, So we're missing out on MJ's best performances. We're missing out on the double nickel and whatnot.

In a first half, in a first half.

All right, I'm gonna let this one rip. I've got two thoughts. It's not Jamal Murray, is it.

It's not Jamal Murray. Who's Donovan Mitchell? Oh No, it's Kevin Durant versus the Clippers in twenty nineteen. I mean, just great company. But again, second most, dude, I mean, it's absurd. And then Dame doesn't score in the second half because they don't really need him. You know, the game was put to bed by that point. That was a crazy stretch. Indiana shoots six of eighteen, Milwaukee shoots fifteen of twenty three. They going in eighteen to four run there, and uh, you know, Dame was super impressive. I also want to give a big shout out to Chris Middleton. I thought he did a great job. A beautiful game. Just beautiful game from Chris Middleton. But the thing I was most impressed with for Milwaukee was their defense and just how hard they were playing, how much effort I was getting the addition of Patrick Beverly, I thought Peverly did a great job of providing energy of talking playing hard. I didn't know what to think of having like a Dame and Pat Bev, you know, guard tandem, But I think it can work, considering that Pat brings a little bit of that shooting, can handle a little bit in that like secondary ball handling role. But you know, you can run those lineups and be okay. And I was super impressed with brook Lopez holding down the interior. That being said too, I was disappointed with Indiana's offense Carson. I thought Tyre's Halliburton should have exerted himself way more on this game. Again, with these superstars in these kind of environments, it's like it's not going right. The shots aren't falling, the guys aren't doing their things. Pascal Siakam is the only one playing a decent game right now. You know it should have been I needed a switch to get flipp there from Halle where he goes. I need to put up shots. Halliburton attempts seven attempts in this game. You know he only had four games this entire season where he attempted seven shots or less. He has to impose himself more as a scorer. And if that's taking touches away from Miles Turner, I think he's gonna shoot better, don't get me wrong, but you gotta do something else. Man. They were letting Turner, just let him fly. He goes five of seventeen in this game, three of nine from behind the arc. I think he'll shoot better, but I need Halle to get down hill more. I need him to get to that floater. I just need more, man, Halley's your number one guy. And if he's gonna give you nine points, seven boards, and eight assists with seven shot attempts, that's just not enough against Siacam bald out Man consistently getting downhill, creating a shot, hitting these post fades and stuff like that. So both sides, you know, I was impressed with Milwaukee's defensive effort, but I was also really disappointed with Tyrese Halliburton and how much he exerted himself as a scorer in this game. Man. And they need him to drop twenty to twenty five a night in this series, and he just he did not pull his weight enough in this game, and credit to Indiana getting this thing back close in the second half, but uh, can't let that happen. Man.

I wasn't all that impressed by the Bucks defense in this game. Indiana missed a lot of good shots. They missed so many open threes in this one, and I was disappointed with Hallie. He just has to be more assertive as a scorer. And it's not that he's making bad decisions. I thought he created a lot of good shots, but like you say, everybody around you was clanging. At some point, you just have to take it into your own hands and create a shot for yourself. But also, he's passing out of the pick and roll so quickly before he gets into the teeth of the defense. He looked intimidated by brook Lopez in a way that he didn't in their regular season matchups. He looked like he didn't want to get to that floater, like he didn't want to hit the paint consistently and then create those more significant advantages where they're even better, more valuable kickouts to his teammates right the pick and pop to Turner and Seaawkham that was open all day with Brooks sitting and drop, But ultimately they didn't make enough of those shots for it to be super effective. When they would run an action with a wing or a guard screening for him, and the Bucks would hedge harder, they would trap Hallie was making the right reads over the top there, he was creating open looks in there. There's nothing you can say, like he just has to get the ball out to the right people. There. He had a beautiful skip pass to Obi Toppin, who just claimed everybody was just clayging, nobody could make a shot. But Halle runs twenty four pick and rolls in this game, and he shoots out of pick and roll three times. So that's just where I'm like, you can make these good deceived decisions. But it was two passive. He didn't get into the teeth of the defense enough. He had to assert himself more as a scorer and this Milwaukee defense, and he really doesn't have the personnel to make him uncomfortable, like he should be able to torch brook In drop with his pull up shooting, with his touch from float to range, with his playmaking. Has done it repeatedly in this regular season, and I know that this hasn't been the same Halle post All Star Break, he was down to like seventeen to nine on fifty seven percent through shooting, just like clearly wasn't the same after that hamstring injury. But I thought this was a really favorable matchup, and he just didn't assert himself as much as he could have and should have. On the flip side, he was thoroughly outplayed by Damian Lillard. And I think there have been many points at this season where the consensus would have been, yeah, Halle is playing better than Dame. Halle is the better player maybe period point blank, and he certainly had the better first half of the regular season before his injury. Dame was just out of his mind in this game. And although I don't think Milwaukee has anybody to make Halle uncomfortable if he's aggressive, Indiana on the flip side has nobody who can guard Dame at all. And he just had it all going. Man. He was getting downhill on Turner and Jalen Smith with those super high hick and rolls classic give him that big runway, and he looked relatively quick. He looked quicker than he has I thought for a lot of this season, and he was getting to the rim. They tried different coverages towards the end of the first half. They tried hedging, they tried blitzing. It didn't matter, like he would basically just reset. He was never sped up. He was never pressured. And that's another problem, Like, regardless of coverage, the Pacers just don't have good defenders. They don't have people who make you uncomfortable, and Dame just exploited that. Like his shot making was ridiculous, and that's the other thing. He was just making everything in the first half. In the second half, he was not getting entirely dissimilar shots, and they gave him a different look where they were having the big play at the level of the screen. That was more successful. They got him to take a couple mid range looks, just better value there for the defense than if he's taking open pull up threes. They forced a turnover. So his shot quality wasn't great, And that's kind of been the theme for Dame like this year, he hasn't been the same Dame that we're used to. I love Damian Lillard. I was sure that he was gonna be their best offensive player this year. I thought he was gonna be the man who could bring them a title because he's one of the best half court offensive players in the league last year and alongside Giannis, like what else could you need? But he wasn't that guy this regular season, And I'm not sure this is the performance that convinces me that there won't still be volatility with Damian Lillard because he had that stretcher he was getting downhill, but that was also against some slow footed bigs and he went crazy. He went crazy because he was making a bunch of pull up jumpers and he can do that, but I don't know that he's been doing it consistently enough for me to be like, all right, Dame's back off this one performance. It was obviously encouraging. It was awesome, but against this poor defense, it was what they needed one thousand percent with Giannis out, And got to give props to Bobby Portis and Chris Middleton too for stepping up. This Indiana defense is just so bad, Like it really is so bad. They have to produce offense at a really high rate or they're not going to beat anybody. Dame was spectacular in this one, but like we're talking about with Harden, like I do think we should hold off before throwing the resurgence party.

I think you, I mean said the key phrase about Indiana in this series is if they don't have an offensive explosion, they don't have a chance to win this series. They have to go off. They have to make this a tract meet. They have to just outshoot and outrace Milwaukee. You know, it's a race to one hundred and thirty points, you know what I mean? That should kind of be the mentality for this team. And they were giving it right back to their be possessions where Indiana would score and then guess what, Milwaukee was getting it right back on the other end because of bad transition defense or something. I do think Dame did a good job of turning the corner on guys when he could in this game and getting downhill. You know, his shot was hitting like he hits that one, absurd, Like he gets the center switch. I think he gets turner on him and he just pulls that one from half court. I don't think that. I think you're right. I think there's volatility with Dame. I think it is dependent on the pull up jump shooting. But I also just think this is a really favorable matchup where for sure Dame just might be able to get comfortable. And that's the thing with Indiana. I don't know if you're gonna be able to stop Dame when he's like this. On Dame, time play physical and just make it hard on him, you know, try to drain him, you know, make him work. That's the thing. I don't really think they have the personnel to stop him, but at least you can do is make it hard on him and make him work a little bit. The two guys that you shout out, I want to give a big, big shout out to Middleton and Bobby Portis. Chris Middleton had me fired up, Carson. He's just got such a smooth, elegant game. You know, he was the best mid range shooter in the league this season. Again, you know, we wondered in terms of efficiency, excuse me, not volume. I believe he shot close to fifty five percent on mid range jump shots this year. He's just one of the best. And when he's in a flow, it's like every one of those pull up jays it's so pretty because nobody else takes them, man, and he is draining all of them. But also I thought Middleton's playmaking was excellent in this game, spotting some open guys on the role, spotting you know, open shooters. And I thought Bobby port has played a played a great game and did his role and that's why, you know, Milwaukee was able to hang. It was a bad offensive game from then and without Giannis, I was like, are they going to be able to hang?

Uh?

Middleton and Lillard, you know, pulled their weight. And if we can get this version of Lillard and Middleton throughout the playoffs alongside a healthy Giannis, the Bucks have a have a potent recipe. Yeah. I just think this is the matchup that's gonna be really hard to determine Milwaukee's future playoff outlook against other teams who were just you know, in different tiers as competitors. You know, I think Indiana's kind of a bad matchup to to look ahead, you know, for Milwaukee's future matchups.

If you got this version of Dame consistently, there would be no question that the Bucks are the second best team out East, because then you still have most of the vision from the preseason. But we have seen the Dame explosions, right. He has had games where you are just like, oh my goodness, he is nuclear and then he's had a lot of letdowns and he's had a lot lot more clunkers this year than we're accustomed to from him, But this is a favorable matchup. This was a very important performance from him. Portison Middleton. Again, they're just shooting over these dudes like that was kind of my concern. It's there's not a lot of easy offense for Milwaukee without Giannis on the floor. It requires a good deal of difficult shot making. But they have difficult shot makers who stepped up in this one. I remember they used to show these charts where it was like the highest percentage of contested jump shots that you attempt, and Middleton would take like eighty eight percent of his jumpers contested, and he was still this super efficient offensive player, and that level of shot making doesn't go away with age. He still delivered in that way. I do want to give props to the one pacer who did step up, that being Pascal Siakam, because he was fantastic offensively in this game, and definitely his numbers were in when the game really was pretty much over. But I really like his formula to succeeding in this series. He put on a mid range clinic and without Yiannis on the floor, he's just working with a constant mismatch in one way or another. He can basically shoot over everybody butt Brook, but then when Brooke is on him, he's too quick and he's able to get a step, can drive on him, or he can create an advantage and then get to a little step back. He can hit the mid range pick and pops without very much resistance. And he left some points on the table, like he missed five free throws in this game, he could have easily had forty. He pushed in transition, did his thing there, attack the offensive glass, and maybe most importantly, like just kept coming. He was super aggressive when nobody else was making shots. When Halley was again making the right decisions, but doing so in a way that was too passive in my opinion, Spicy p stepped up and I think he is in for a very good series offensively. But the Pacers need a lot of things to change if they do want to pull off this upset, because when Giannis isn't on the floor, man, every game matters a great, great deal. And now the Bucks buy more time for him to come back, for him to get even healthier and you've just missed out on an opportunity to steal one. Hallie has to be considerably more aggressive and more confident in his ability to at least penetrate the defense to some extent. Right, he doesn't have to get the way all the way to the rim and challenge Brook. He just has to get into the paint where then he can create for others or get to his floater. Miles Turner has to shoot and finish just significantly better. He got a lot of good looks in this game, but as you mentioned, he was just missing them. And how he's creating a lot of good shots for him, but he's five of seventeen. Obi Toppen needs to not play. He didn't even play that much. This is kind of personal. It's just Obi's not very good when we're talking about NBA players and the shooting is so brutal. He goes zero for four in this one. It just frustrates me. It frustrates me. They have diminished his role. But just I hated seeing Obi take open threes and clang them in the game.

You remember that playoff game last year for New York where he shot like two of thirteen or something.

I think he made more than that, but he took over ten threes and he didn't make a great percentage of them. Yeah, that's kind of the Obi experience. Their spot up shooting as a whole has to be better, though, and I agree. They do have to just bring more energy and they have to bring more effort. They don't have good personnel Defensively, we know that they're always gonna let up a lot of points, but they got to give you back more than they give up with their offense, which they are capable of doing, and they have to defend at least a little bit better than they did in this one. I'm not expecting much, but I would like to see a little bit more than we got in this one. Ultimately, they're not gonna make that Bucks offense uncomfortable, though, it's gonna be about them generating great shot quality. I still think they're capable of it. I think they can absolutely take Game two without Giannis out there. But Halle needs to be a lot better. That's the biggest thing. Halle needs to be way better for the Pacers to have a shot to win this series. All right, last game logan. We can go quickly through this one, because it's really not gonna be much of a series Heat fans at this point. If I'm wrong saying that you guys can do whatever you want, send me down to the gallows. I'll accept whatever my fate may be. If the Heat make this a legitimately interesting series against the Celtics without Jimmy Butler, then I will be shocked. What did you take away from this one, though, Logan, if anything.

Yeah, I mean it's gonna be hard. Is that confirmed Jimmy Jimmy is out for this series completely or.

It's not confirmed. But we had the initial Shams report that it was gonna be a few weeks, and obviously he was pretty hobbled. I don't think we have a specific timeline, but I wouldn't be optimistic.

I mean, the Miami Heater just completely outmatched in their current form, relying on Tyler Hero to consistently go in there and generate you shots. No Terry Rozier out there and even alleviate some of the pressure. There's just a lot of responsibility on guys who aren't equipped to carry this kind of offensive load. If a time a Hawk has it's Tydler Hero, If it's Bam at a bio and I mean big shout out to bam Man. I thought, Bam dude, the heat go down fourteen to oh in this game before they score a bucket. I mean they were down two touchdowns before they scored a point. Man. That's kind of the theme for Miami in this series. Man. Boston is so skilled, so talented, so physical, so athletic, and everything's just gonna come easy, and then Miami it's gonna be a grind man, and they just don't have the defensive personnel to make Boston uncomfortable to turn this into a real rock fight like everywhere you look. Man, it's kind of a mismatch. And Tatum, Yeah, Tatum playmates really well in this game. Man. I was super impressed with that. They're shot making but point blank period. Yeah. I think Miami is a little overmatched. And again credit to bam Man for finding offense for this team and going on the low block and going at Horford and Porzingis and you know, knocking down post hooks and post fades and doing work there, because this would have been even more of an ugly game if bam hadn't done that. But without him, man, they just you know, without Rosier and without Jimmy, it's just so much to ask. Dude, You're getting a lot of Delon right minutes. Man, you're getting hey, hey, hey, Delon right at a good game, Delon right at a good game.

I'll give him that right a good game, and he's had a last good fewtres.

Actually, I will give him that the playing the playing game is impressed. If dlawn Wright's minutes there were sick and it goes to show you, man that when Boston has this kind of an advantage and can really get clicking, they make twenty two to three pointers. Uh, that's a Celtics playoff record. That's a disgusting number. You're not beating the Celtics when they do that to you. This goes to show you, man, what the Celtics can do when they are fully clicking. Man, they can just beat down inferior competition. And he did just that. I'll take it a step further too, man. I mean, at this rate, after this game, I would be surprised if the Miami Heat were able to steal one game. If Jimmy Butler is not. I mean, this is a colossal, uh just disproportionate amount of talent here. Man, there's a massive talent discrepancy and just ability here. Man. I don't really know anything that Miami can do to make the Celtics uncomfortable offensively or to generate easy offense. On the other side, Man, I think Miami's just outmatched.

Absolutely So I don't think that we need to beat a dead horse. And this is what the Celtics do. They had that stretch where they let their foot off the gas and the fourth, but they were up by I want to say, thirty four points before that. Miami run like they just destroy people when they're raining threes like this, which normally they are good luck. And this like wasn't close to the best Celtics game. They shot the ball really well, but they didn't get out in transition that much. They didn't actually score at the rim all that much. Nobody really played exceptionally well and they still dominated. There are some specific things that I want to give them props for Tatum posting up those smaller wings created good offense and specifically logan against the zone, the zone that we know gave Boston fitz last year. They faced nine possessions of zone. In this game, they generated fourteen points. That's an excellent rate of points for possession. And Sam Hauser was kind of the zone buster just with his ridiculous shooting. But it started a couple of those Howser threes with a Tatum post up, and then he would swing and somebody would swing to Howser on the weak side and he would knock down a three. So they handled that well. They weren't even rattled in this game by like the thing that has been their achilles heel in this matchup. And Tatum just did a good job of making the simple decisions right, those simple kickout passes when they doubled, as they did a bit late in the game. He was swinging it open shooters, nice clean game even when he didn't have his best shot making. Smoked that weird layup, but had the triple double third triple level of his career. And KP is an absolute problem. KP is going to be a problem for a whole lot of teams. But you saw that in this game, like he was attacking some of those mismats out of the post, he was ranting threes. The Celtics are ridiculous. The one specific thing that I will give them props for and I don't think you can really have any takeaway from this game, but just a trend that we've seen as this season has gone along. We have known that this is an exceptionally talented starting five, and like you could argue just in terms of how strong the fifth guy is the best that we've seen the century. I think you'd have a really strong argument. I would say, like the Big four with the peak Warriors outweighs that. But it's ridiculous how good the top five guys are on this team. But the sixth or rate man have been really really solid this year, and they were really good in this game. Howser, as I mentioned, brought that lethal shooting. Horford always brings the shooting and the IQ and the size. He even attacked a post up in this one. And then Peyton Pritchard. You just get a nice combination of shot making and playmaking and energy. It was a really nice show from the Celtics bench. Yo shout out Brady Man, appreciate that sending us some love on the live shout out to you, dude. So that was like the one thing that I would say the Celtics have just continued to affirm they're so good and they're just going to roll over the heat.

They're just you know, they're talent advantages discussed in the fact that you got Derek White putting up twenty points in this one man, Carson, how many Celtics are you taking over the second best player for the heat?

Oh wow, Oh man, I think it's probably just five, and then I would take Hero over. It's just five. It depends on what kind of team I'm trying to like. It really depends on the role. I just think Hero can carry so much more of a load like Corford, to me, is just great. Give him twenty minutes, have him pick his spots, have him take on this specific defensive matchup, have him space the floor offensively. Hero, It's like he can give you twenty five. He can float an offense. He's also gonna struggle with efficiency at times though, and then struggle to defend. So it's not that there's a huge gap, but I would say it's five, but it's five by a lot. There is a big gap between the fifth guy and Tyler Hero, and that's just a little bit unfair. Even Coach Spoe can't overcome that. We can do that. How many players would you take before Coach Spoe, but that's not gonna move the needle in this series. Any final thoughts as we wrap up on this second day of the playoffs.

Logan nas Reed.

Yeah, nas Reed, dude, Nasri will play basketball again in a couple of days. That'll be fantastic. Appreciate you guys, all of you watched along with this live on YouTube, all of you who watched after the fact. We are gonna keep doing this consistently throughout the playoffs, and uh, it's just so much fun. I'm just so happy to have this playoff basketball. This is the best, man, This is like Christmas for two months and especially the first round just doesn't stop. I love it. So if you want all those full shows, those are on our YouTube page. You can also listen to the show across audio platforms. You can check out our video essays video breakdowns that we do also on YouTube, getting some more intense, in depth analysis on specific topics. We will keep coming with those throughout the playoffs. If you want more of our trivia content NBA and NFL, that is across social media, TikTok and Instagram at nerd, sessh, Twitter at nerd Underscore sessh. If you want that hat right off Logan's head, you can find that at the Volume dot com, along with all of our other merch all of which has been worn by one of the nerds, sweated in and loved. And if you want to join our discord for a chance to speak to the one and only Matthew spawn Hour, you can find that at the link tree across our social media bio as well. So with that, as always appreciate you guys. I've been Carson Breber, I've been Logancanden, and this was nerd Sash

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