The volume. No, Oh my god, how could he do that?

The volume. No, Oh my god, how could he do that?

By what Charles Darwin? The nerves is where it's at. Welcome everybody back to each nerd Sesh as always, I'm Carson Breveren. Alongside me is Logan Camden, and we have got a ton of NBA basketball to talk about today because we've been doing our top thirty player rankings for the last week in change, so we haven't had a ton of opportunities to react to some of the news going down in the sport right now. And unfortunately, the biggest news of the last twenty four hours is that Damian Lillard is out indefinitely with a blood clot Unfortunately, similar to what happened with Victor Wembanyama what ended his season, he has a deep vein thrombosis. So in light of this unfortunate news, Logan, what does this mean for Milwaukee?

By what Charles Darwin? The nerves is where it's at. Welcome everybody back to each nerd Sesh as always, I'm Carson Breveren. Alongside me is Logan Camden, and we have got a ton of NBA basketball to talk about today because we've been doing our top thirty player rankings for the last week in change, so we haven't had a ton of opportunities to react to some of the news going down in the sport right now. And unfortunately, the biggest news of the last twenty four hours is that Damian Lillard is out indefinitely with a blood clot Unfortunately, similar to what happened with Victor Wembanyama what ended his season, he has a deep vein thrombosis. So in light of this unfortunate news, Logan, what does this mean for Milwaukee?

I mean, I think it kind of pops their balloon of having any opportunity to go on a meaningful or deep playoff run. The silver lining, if there is anyone, is that because it's this late in the season, like they are locked into the playoffs, they're forty and thirty one, They're gonna end up with the fifth or sixth seed, so there's no danger of them, you know, slipping into the play in or anything like that. They're ultimately gonna end up taking on the Pacers or the Knicks, which without Dame, I think I would confidently pick the other team, but I wouldn't completely count out Milwaukee. It's really disappointing, though, man, just because this was the year we felt Dames bounce back where he felt like not prime Dame but the Damian Lillard that we've come to know and love, one of the best shooters in the league. And there's just no real formula here. Like the Bucks have good players like Giannis and Brook Lopez and Kyle Kuzma. They're solid, but it's just not a a strong enough corp to do any real damage. And the thing that I kept circling back when I heard this news Carson was just I don't think the Bucks do this Kyle Kuzma deal in hindsight. If they knew that this was looming on the horizon, I think you hold onto Chris Middleton. Obviously, they couldn't have known that in advance. And I've liked what Kuzma's added to this team. I think he adds a dimension of you know, rebounding of honestly, and an infusion and injection of energy that Milwaukee was kind of lacking. I have liked the Kuzma addition, but I feel like if you had held on to Middleton, you would at least have a better opportunity to make a real run, because he is a he's a smart playmaker, he's a good shooter. I'm disappointed, man, you know, I wanted to see a real Jannison Dame opportunity. Not that I thought that they had any real chance of doing serious damage with the state of the East right now, right the Celtics are a juggernaut. I think the Cavaliers are a juggernaut. I think it was gonna be a real uphill battle for them in either of those matchups. But we're robbed of a Johannis and Dame playoff run. And Dame isn't getting any younger, Giannis isn't getting any younger. It's just a it's really disappointing, and I feel for Milwaukee Bucks fans. There is no there's nothing really positive I can I can make about this one.

I mean, I think it kind of pops their balloon of having any opportunity to go on a meaningful or deep playoff run. The silver lining, if there is anyone, is that because it's this late in the season, like they are locked into the playoffs, they're forty and thirty one, They're gonna end up with the fifth or sixth seed, so there's no danger of them, you know, slipping into the play in or anything like that. They're ultimately gonna end up taking on the Pacers or the Knicks, which without Dame, I think I would confidently pick the other team, but I wouldn't completely count out Milwaukee. It's really disappointing, though, man, just because this was the year we felt Dames bounce back where he felt like not prime Dame but the Damian Lillard that we've come to know and love, one of the best shooters in the league. And there's just no real formula here. Like the Bucks have good players like Giannis and Brook Lopez and Kyle Kuzma. They're solid, but it's just not a a strong enough corp to do any real damage. And the thing that I kept circling back when I heard this news Carson was just I don't think the Bucks do this Kyle Kuzma deal in hindsight. If they knew that this was looming on the horizon, I think you hold onto Chris Middleton. Obviously, they couldn't have known that in advance. And I've liked what Kuzma's added to this team. I think he adds a dimension of you know, rebounding of honestly, and an infusion and injection of energy that Milwaukee was kind of lacking. I have liked the Kuzma addition, but I feel like if you had held on to Middleton, you would at least have a better opportunity to make a real run, because he is a he's a smart playmaker, he's a good shooter. I'm disappointed, man, you know, I wanted to see a real Jannison Dame opportunity. Not that I thought that they had any real chance of doing serious damage with the state of the East right now, right the Celtics are a juggernaut. I think the Cavaliers are a juggernaut. I think it was gonna be a real uphill battle for them in either of those matchups. But we're robbed of a Johannis and Dame playoff run. And Dame isn't getting any younger, Giannis isn't getting any younger. It's just a it's really disappointing, and I feel for Milwaukee Bucks fans. There is no there's nothing really positive I can I can make about this one.

No, it's hard not to be extremely pessimistic about the Bucks, not just for this year, but honestly for the future. We don't know how long Dame is going to be out. They've given no timeline. But if you just look at the precedent, Wemby was shut down for the year in February a few years ago, BI was shut down for the year in March. Those are teams who are in different situations because they're not trying to make a playoff push. But Brian Souter or MD, who is my source on all things sports medicine, because logan believe or not, I'm not a doctor, not a doctor over here, so I'd refer to the experts, and he says it's normally a minimum three month treatment period where players are on blood thinners after they've been diagnosed with a blood claw and you cannot play while you're on blood thinner. So that would be season ending. And I think that that is most likely the reality that Dame is done for the year. And so you just reflect on the first two years of the Dame Jannis experiment in Milwaukee and it's so disappointing. You gave up Drew Holliday, you gave up a first round, or you gave up two first round swaps, you gave up Grayson Allen, and you're left with a team that's gone eighty nine and sixty four in two years. They're tied for the ninth best record in the NBA with the Pacers. And if you think about every change that they've tried to make to upgrade this team, to accommodate Dame and Giannis and put them in a better position to succeed, to take that leap to being a contender, none of it has really worked. They fired Adrian Griffin, went to Doc Rivers. Doc Rivers fifty seven and fifty as head coach of the Bucks just not a good head coach. They've done what they can to change up the wing rotation right finding minutes from a guy like aj Green, putting Andre Jackson in the starting lineup, bringing in a Gary Trent junior in a Torrian Prince, and all of those moves in totality have really only improved the Bucks supporting cast marginally.

No, it's hard not to be extremely pessimistic about the Bucks, not just for this year, but honestly for the future. We don't know how long Dame is going to be out. They've given no timeline. But if you just look at the precedent, Wemby was shut down for the year in February a few years ago, BI was shut down for the year in March. Those are teams who are in different situations because they're not trying to make a playoff push. But Brian Souter or MD, who is my source on all things sports medicine, because logan believe or not, I'm not a doctor, not a doctor over here, so I'd refer to the experts, and he says it's normally a minimum three month treatment period where players are on blood thinners after they've been diagnosed with a blood claw and you cannot play while you're on blood thinner. So that would be season ending. And I think that that is most likely the reality that Dame is done for the year. And so you just reflect on the first two years of the Dame Jannis experiment in Milwaukee and it's so disappointing. You gave up Drew Holliday, you gave up a first round, or you gave up two first round swaps, you gave up Grayson Allen, and you're left with a team that's gone eighty nine and sixty four in two years. They're tied for the ninth best record in the NBA with the Pacers. And if you think about every change that they've tried to make to upgrade this team, to accommodate Dame and Giannis and put them in a better position to succeed, to take that leap to being a contender, none of it has really worked. They fired Adrian Griffin, went to Doc Rivers. Doc Rivers fifty seven and fifty as head coach of the Bucks just not a good head coach. They've done what they can to change up the wing rotation right finding minutes from a guy like aj Green, putting Andre Jackson in the starting lineup, bringing in a Gary Trent junior in a Torrian Prince, and all of those moves in totality have really only improved the Bucks supporting cast marginally.

They've been putting duct tape over the hole and uh, yeah, you know, reflex sealing the boat. Now we ain't even got a boat.

They've been putting duct tape over the hole and uh, yeah, you know, reflex sealing the boat. Now we ain't even got a boat.

Yeah yeah, I guess with Dame, we really don't have a boat do we like? Again, I think that they've improved marginally, but it's just not enough when the entire supporting cast around this duo is not nearly as talented as the high end contenders around the league. They make the trade moving Chris Middleton to bring in Kyle Kuzma, and I think that Kuzma has been solid, but he's not a needle mover for the Bucks. I still think he's a worst basketball player than Chris Middleton. I get it, he's younger, he's a little bit cheaper, you don't have the availability concerns, and he has addressed some of their needs with his athleticism and his defensive tour, his length, what he brings as a rebounder, But sometimes he offsets that with just how catastrophically bad he can be offensively, with how terrible he's been as a jump shooter this year, with how bad he can be as a decision maker the shot selection. So I don't think you can consider that a step in the right direction, and just overall right, Kus does improve their defense some, but he also hurts their offense compared to having a Middleton, and that's just been kind of the overall trend of this season. Last year, the defense was the problem. This year, they were able to improve the defense, but right as that improvement occurred, the offense regrets to the point where now the offense has been very mediocre this year, and they just never maximized the Dame Yanis fit. They were never able to get the most out of those guys out of pick and roll. They were never able to get the best version of Dame with Jiannis on the floor. Given Giannis's ball dominance. We were talking about this just the other week, but Dame's production per seventy five possessions without Yiannis on them, He's given you thirty one points on sixty five percent true shooting. He's scoring with way more volume and he's way more efficient because that's the role that he's comfortable in being the guy, being that ball dominant, superstar offensive point guard. But he just hasn't been that guy with Yannis, and now he's probably done for the year. So that's two years down the drain. Last year, the Bucks were a forty nine win team in the regular season. They weren't great, but then Giannis got hurt, so they were done for the playoffs. Anyways, and now this year, again they haven't been a great regular season team. But without Dame, we know they have no chance of making a run. And you have no assets to move. You don't have intriguing young players, you don't have draft capital down the line. After this year, you'll finally be off of Brook Lopez's contract. And I've been saying for a couple of years that they should have looked to move off of Brook. Go more janis at the five, get more athletic at the five, But they have waited to move off of Brook, and now they're in this spot where it's like, Okay, I presume that they'll be done with him. But Brook, for all of his flaws, like it's skill solids starting center.

Yeah yeah, I guess with Dame, we really don't have a boat do we like? Again, I think that they've improved marginally, but it's just not enough when the entire supporting cast around this duo is not nearly as talented as the high end contenders around the league. They make the trade moving Chris Middleton to bring in Kyle Kuzma, and I think that Kuzma has been solid, but he's not a needle mover for the Bucks. I still think he's a worst basketball player than Chris Middleton. I get it, he's younger, he's a little bit cheaper, you don't have the availability concerns, and he has addressed some of their needs with his athleticism and his defensive tour, his length, what he brings as a rebounder, But sometimes he offsets that with just how catastrophically bad he can be offensively, with how terrible he's been as a jump shooter this year, with how bad he can be as a decision maker the shot selection. So I don't think you can consider that a step in the right direction, and just overall right, Kus does improve their defense some, but he also hurts their offense compared to having a Middleton, and that's just been kind of the overall trend of this season. Last year, the defense was the problem. This year, they were able to improve the defense, but right as that improvement occurred, the offense regrets to the point where now the offense has been very mediocre this year, and they just never maximized the Dame Yanis fit. They were never able to get the most out of those guys out of pick and roll. They were never able to get the best version of Dame with Jiannis on the floor. Given Giannis's ball dominance. We were talking about this just the other week, but Dame's production per seventy five possessions without Yiannis on them, He's given you thirty one points on sixty five percent true shooting. He's scoring with way more volume and he's way more efficient because that's the role that he's comfortable in being the guy, being that ball dominant, superstar offensive point guard. But he just hasn't been that guy with Yannis, and now he's probably done for the year. So that's two years down the drain. Last year, the Bucks were a forty nine win team in the regular season. They weren't great, but then Giannis got hurt, so they were done for the playoffs. Anyways, and now this year, again they haven't been a great regular season team. But without Dame, we know they have no chance of making a run. And you have no assets to move. You don't have intriguing young players, you don't have draft capital down the line. After this year, you'll finally be off of Brook Lopez's contract. And I've been saying for a couple of years that they should have looked to move off of Brook. Go more janis at the five, get more athletic at the five, But they have waited to move off of Brook, and now they're in this spot where it's like, Okay, I presume that they'll be done with him. But Brook, for all of his flaws, like it's skill solids starting center.

Well, and for a team like the Bucks, it begs the question, can you even afford to lose a guy like that that's so much ex active to your team? You're not a You're not in a position to be picky.

Well, and for a team like the Bucks, it begs the question, can you even afford to lose a guy like that that's so much ex active to your team? You're not a You're not in a position to be picky.

No you're not, And like you have to address that position now, which is easier said than done. So I just look at all of the circumstances here, how many of the stops they've already pulled out, and how unsuccessful. They've been in totality, and if I were honest, I just wouldn't see the opportunity for improvement. I would just be done. I'd be thinking, I'm thirty years old, Damian Lillard my co star year, he's going to almost thirty five, and where this far away, and we don't have the means to get significantly better. To me, he's given all the time that he needs to Milwaukee. He's brought them a title. I mean, he's been the best player in their franchise's history since Kareem Abdul Jabbar. And I think that's what we're headed towards. I do think that we're headed towards a blow up here because I don't see how this situation gets better.

No you're not, And like you have to address that position now, which is easier said than done. So I just look at all of the circumstances here, how many of the stops they've already pulled out, and how unsuccessful. They've been in totality, and if I were honest, I just wouldn't see the opportunity for improvement. I would just be done. I'd be thinking, I'm thirty years old, Damian Lillard my co star year, he's going to almost thirty five, and where this far away, and we don't have the means to get significantly better. To me, he's given all the time that he needs to Milwaukee. He's brought them a title. I mean, he's been the best player in their franchise's history since Kareem Abdul Jabbar. And I think that's what we're headed towards. I do think that we're headed towards a blow up here because I don't see how this situation gets better.

Well, I think you're standing down the barrel of the gun and you just gotta gotta bite the bullet. Man. I don't really think there's a you know, an area for recourse. If they had, for example, say they had hit on their first round pick instead of going out and getting a J. Johnson, and you had gotten a vital, you know, important player to your rotation, if you had.

Well, I think you're standing down the barrel of the gun and you just gotta gotta bite the bullet. Man. I don't really think there's a you know, an area for recourse. If they had, for example, say they had hit on their first round pick instead of going out and getting a J. Johnson, and you had gotten a vital, you know, important player to your rotation, if you had.

Who by the way they traded away? Oh way, yeah, exactly, off of Middleton.

Who by the way they traded away? Oh way, yeah, exactly, off of Middleton.

Exactly, or if you had held onto Middleton, or if you would you know, you can look back in the rearview mirror and you can say if you had done this, if you had done that, the situation that they're currently in, I think that's the only action that they can take. And it sucks, but Gianna's brought you a title, and that's ultimately a goal man, and I think it just makes more sense to recoup assets for the future move off of these older guys that aren't going to win you a title. Because it's not just the fact that the Bucks aren't getting any better and don't have any routes for improvement. You also look at the state of the East. Yeah, Cleveland is ascending, Boston is not going anywhere. New York I think has avenues to improving, you know, if that's moving a player for another player and doing a swap like they've got assets where they can make a big move. Orlando is improving, right like.

Exactly, or if you had held onto Middleton, or if you would you know, you can look back in the rearview mirror and you can say if you had done this, if you had done that, the situation that they're currently in, I think that's the only action that they can take. And it sucks, but Gianna's brought you a title, and that's ultimately a goal man, and I think it just makes more sense to recoup assets for the future move off of these older guys that aren't going to win you a title. Because it's not just the fact that the Bucks aren't getting any better and don't have any routes for improvement. You also look at the state of the East. Yeah, Cleveland is ascending, Boston is not going anywhere. New York I think has avenues to improving, you know, if that's moving a player for another player and doing a swap like they've got assets where they can make a big move. Orlando is improving, right like.

I think honestly, you can just say, look at Boston, look at Cleveland. You are not with him striking distance of either of those teams, and you are all in, all your chips are already in the middle of the table, and so at that point I would say, all right, I think.

I think honestly, you can just say, look at Boston, look at Cleveland. You are not with him striking distance of either of those teams, and you are all in, all your chips are already in the middle of the table, and so at that point I would say, all right, I think.

You dangle Yiannis out there on your fishing rod. I think you do the same with Dame and you see, you know, the biggest fish, and you go and catch it.

You dangle Yiannis out there on your fishing rod. I think you do the same with Dame and you see, you know, the biggest fish, and you go and catch it.

And yeah, And realistically, the Bucks won't initiate this. It's just so hard to move off of the Honis and Dame. I don't know what his value is going to be on the open market now with this concern lingering with his age, even though I think he's still a top twenty player. But my hope is that Jannis initiates it, because if Yannis does, then all the dominoes will start to fall, and that would probably be best for both parties. But the problem for the Bucks is they don't have their own draft picks, so they're not gonna benefit from being bad a lot.

And yeah, And realistically, the Bucks won't initiate this. It's just so hard to move off of the Honis and Dame. I don't know what his value is going to be on the open market now with this concern lingering with his age, even though I think he's still a top twenty player. But my hope is that Jannis initiates it, because if Yannis does, then all the dominoes will start to fall, and that would probably be best for both parties. But the problem for the Bucks is they don't have their own draft picks, so they're not gonna benefit from being bad a lot.

It's a tough pill to swallow. But Jannis isn't appreciating as an asset, Dame is not appreciating as an asset. These are older guys, and I think you just need to capitalize as soon as you can and try to get as much back as you can. It's the hardest thing in sports man, partying with your franchise player, Like, it's tough, but I do think that's the best route of action for Milwaukee moving forward. As great as he is, there's just I don't see a road to them contending anytime soon.

It's a tough pill to swallow. But Jannis isn't appreciating as an asset, Dame is not appreciating as an asset. These are older guys, and I think you just need to capitalize as soon as you can and try to get as much back as you can. It's the hardest thing in sports man, partying with your franchise player, Like, it's tough, but I do think that's the best route of action for Milwaukee moving forward. As great as he is, there's just I don't see a road to them contending anytime soon.

Yeah, it's hard, man, because they just put a core around him that was old and that was descending when he should have been in the heart of his prime. And you saw that with Drew where he's still a really good basketball player, but he couldn't consistently be the high level offensive players that they needed him to be after the title run in twenty twenty one. You see that with Middleton, where as good as the guy was over the last couple of postseasons when he was healthy, he just couldn't be available. You do see that with the slow regression of Brook Lopez and just the overall waning athleticism of this entire core, And the Dame trade was just too little, too late. It didn't work out as well as I hoped it would in a vacuum like just that duo, because Dame was coming off such a phenomenal twenty twenty three season, like I thought they would be the best duo in basketball and they never were that. But the reality is that the supporting cast around Giannis was just regressing and continued to regress, and the Bucks waited too long to meaningfully improve that. And they made some nice moves on the margin. But you just look at the high level two way role players that you have in Cleveland and in Okasee and in Boston, and you compare it to like what you're hoping to get out of an Andre Jackson, who I still have made offensive questions about or feeling that like aj Green is your best two way role player wing.

Yeah, it's hard, man, because they just put a core around him that was old and that was descending when he should have been in the heart of his prime. And you saw that with Drew where he's still a really good basketball player, but he couldn't consistently be the high level offensive players that they needed him to be after the title run in twenty twenty one. You see that with Middleton, where as good as the guy was over the last couple of postseasons when he was healthy, he just couldn't be available. You do see that with the slow regression of Brook Lopez and just the overall waning athleticism of this entire core, And the Dame trade was just too little, too late. It didn't work out as well as I hoped it would in a vacuum like just that duo, because Dame was coming off such a phenomenal twenty twenty three season, like I thought they would be the best duo in basketball and they never were that. But the reality is that the supporting cast around Giannis was just regressing and continued to regress, and the Bucks waited too long to meaningfully improve that. And they made some nice moves on the margin. But you just look at the high level two way role players that you have in Cleveland and in Okasee and in Boston, and you compare it to like what you're hoping to get out of an Andre Jackson, who I still have made offensive questions about or feeling that like aj Green is your best two way role player wing.

It's just tough.

It's just tough.

It's just a tough spot to be in when your goal is to win the title because you have a top serious player on the plant.

It's just a tough spot to be in when your goal is to win the title because you have a top serious player on the plant.

Milwaukee would kill to have a Ti Jerome. Milwaukee would kill to have a Dean Wade in their lineup. Like these are guys that.

Milwaukee would kill to have a Ti Jerome. Milwaukee would kill to have a Dean Wade in their lineup. Like these are guys that.

Are the the entire thunder rotation. They would kill that have if you gave them a Cason Wallace, if you gave them an Aaron Wiggins, if you gave them an Isaiah Joe, give them any of those guys. We're not even talking about lou Dort, We're not even talking about Caruso, Like all of those guys would be huge difference makers, and they've just never found that guy.

Are the the entire thunder rotation. They would kill that have if you gave them a Cason Wallace, if you gave them an Aaron Wiggins, if you gave them an Isaiah Joe, give them any of those guys. We're not even talking about lou Dort, We're not even talking about Caruso, Like all of those guys would be huge difference makers, and they've just never found that guy.

That's just as important as having the stars in today's NBA.

That's just as important as having the stars in today's NBA.

One hundred percent. One hundred percent. That's the story of a lot of the best teams in basketball this year, the Big Three. It's not just that they have crazy top end talent, they have phenomenal supporting cast. Dude, the thunder Now, I saw this tweeted today in their last thirty one are a double digit net team with Shaye off the floor. Like, there's just so much talent, because like that was the one concern early in the year, right the offense was bad in the non shame minutes, and now the offense has been really good for an extended stretch. I want to talk about Okay, see soon, We're not gonna do it on this show. But I have been so impressed by what they've been doing recently. I mean, they're undefeated without jadub now since he went down, and they're just addressing all of the little question marks that you had about them in such an impressive way that I just continue to become more and more confident in them. But I just continue to feel worse and worse about the state of the bucks Man. It's like they got the shooting this year and they improve defensively, and still here you are. You're looking at a team that's forty and thirty one and now their season is over. I think that without Dame they are a painfully average basketball team. I want to talk about another story that's been developing, Logan, which is Draymond Green just absolutely surging in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation. This guy was like plus eight hundred to win the award a week ago, and today on DraftKings he is the odds on favorite at minus one p thirty. What do you make of that, Logan? Does Draymond deserve to be the Defensive Player of the Year favorite.

One hundred percent. One hundred percent. That's the story of a lot of the best teams in basketball this year, the Big Three. It's not just that they have crazy top end talent, they have phenomenal supporting cast. Dude, the thunder Now, I saw this tweeted today in their last thirty one are a double digit net team with Shaye off the floor. Like, there's just so much talent, because like that was the one concern early in the year, right the offense was bad in the non shame minutes, and now the offense has been really good for an extended stretch. I want to talk about Okay, see soon, We're not gonna do it on this show. But I have been so impressed by what they've been doing recently. I mean, they're undefeated without jadub now since he went down, and they're just addressing all of the little question marks that you had about them in such an impressive way that I just continue to become more and more confident in them. But I just continue to feel worse and worse about the state of the bucks Man. It's like they got the shooting this year and they improve defensively, and still here you are. You're looking at a team that's forty and thirty one and now their season is over. I think that without Dame they are a painfully average basketball team. I want to talk about another story that's been developing, Logan, which is Draymond Green just absolutely surging in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation. This guy was like plus eight hundred to win the award a week ago, and today on DraftKings he is the odds on favorite at minus one p thirty. What do you make of that, Logan? Does Draymond deserve to be the Defensive Player of the Year favorite.

I'm kind of fifty to fifty with him and Mobli, But honestly, don't have like a horse in the race, man, I'm not. I wouldn't be disappointed with whoever they gave it to, right because this was gonna be Wemby's award before he got injured. Yeah, some of the advanced numbers on both of these guys are ridiculous. So Mobley has defended the fourteenth most shots per game of any NBA player this season, and out of that top fourteen, he's got the third best defensive field goal percentage of anybody, just behind Walker, Kessler and Wemby. You look at Draymond, He's defended the thirty eighth most shots per game of any NBA player. Of those thirty eight players, he's got the third best defensive field goal percentage, actually higher than Mobley's. He's just behind Chet, Holmgren and Victor win Binyama. That's on every shot. You know how ridiculous that is, Dude, For a small guy like Draymond, like you get like with Chet and Wemby, it makes sense, right, These freaks of nature, these super tall, lanky dudes, they take up all kind of space, and a guy like Draymond Green, who stands six foot five six', six is up there with those. Guys it's. Ridiculous speaking of, which you look at their defensive field goal percentage inside six, Feet drey's number is better Than. Mobley's he's holding players nine point one percent below their. Average that's the twelfth best. Mark mobley is one spot behind him with the thirteenth best mark eight point six, percent and the defensive rating on off numbers with both of them is very. Close mobiley improves his team by two point six. Points drey improves The dubs by two point. THREE i don't, know, Man I'M.

I'm kind of fifty to fifty with him and Mobli, But honestly, don't have like a horse in the race, man, I'm not. I wouldn't be disappointed with whoever they gave it to, right because this was gonna be Wemby's award before he got injured. Yeah, some of the advanced numbers on both of these guys are ridiculous. So Mobley has defended the fourteenth most shots per game of any NBA player this season, and out of that top fourteen, he's got the third best defensive field goal percentage of anybody, just behind Walker, Kessler and Wemby. You look at Draymond, He's defended the thirty eighth most shots per game of any NBA player. Of those thirty eight players, he's got the third best defensive field goal percentage, actually higher than Mobley's. He's just behind Chet, Holmgren and Victor win Binyama. That's on every shot. You know how ridiculous that is, Dude, For a small guy like Draymond, like you get like with Chet and Wemby, it makes sense, right, These freaks of nature, these super tall, lanky dudes, they take up all kind of space, and a guy like Draymond Green, who stands six foot five six', six is up there with those. Guys it's. Ridiculous speaking of, which you look at their defensive field goal percentage inside six, Feet drey's number is better Than. Mobley's he's holding players nine point one percent below their. Average that's the twelfth best. Mark mobley is one spot behind him with the thirteenth best mark eight point six, percent and the defensive rating on off numbers with both of them is very. Close mobiley improves his team by two point six. Points drey improves The dubs by two point. THREE i don't, know, Man I'M.

I feel.

I feel.

SPOILED i feel like that the two best defenders on the. PLANET i Don't i'm indifferent at this. Point you, KNOW i Thought mobley was gonna be the runaway. Candidate BUT i feel like the argument Against mobley would be that he does have A Jared allen, right that he has another guy that can at least supplement. That and even though The cavs defense is great without, him you, KNOW i. GUESS i Guess dray Has jimmy, now WHICH i guess comes into play a little bit. Too BUT i don't, know, MAN i just. CAN'T i can't figure out How drake keeps doing, this, Man like how we we always talk about Like lebron's longevity and how he ages like fine, Wine AND i don't get How drake keeps getting better defensively with. Time, man it doesn't make. Sense like he's one of the smartest defenders. Ever but you'd figure at some point like he'd have some sort of crazy athletic regression or, something and he. Doesn't drey is still one of the best defenders. ALIVE i know you continually say he's one of the five best. ALIVE i wholeheartedly believe. That and, yeah not to have a cop out, answer but LIKE, I i'm. Indifferent If mobiley wins, It i'm gonna be. Happy If dray wins, It i'm gonna be. HAPPY i guess, SENTIMENTALLY i kind of am rooting For dre a little, bit just because he's the old. Guy but it's ridiculous that he's still doing this at such an old. Age, man it's.

SPOILED i feel like that the two best defenders on the. PLANET i Don't i'm indifferent at this. Point you, KNOW i Thought mobley was gonna be the runaway. Candidate BUT i feel like the argument Against mobley would be that he does have A Jared allen, right that he has another guy that can at least supplement. That and even though The cavs defense is great without, him you, KNOW i. GUESS i Guess dray Has jimmy, now WHICH i guess comes into play a little bit. Too BUT i don't, know, MAN i just. CAN'T i can't figure out How drake keeps doing, this, Man like how we we always talk about Like lebron's longevity and how he ages like fine, Wine AND i don't get How drake keeps getting better defensively with. Time, man it doesn't make. Sense like he's one of the smartest defenders. Ever but you'd figure at some point like he'd have some sort of crazy athletic regression or, something and he. Doesn't drey is still one of the best defenders. ALIVE i know you continually say he's one of the five best. ALIVE i wholeheartedly believe. That and, yeah not to have a cop out, answer but LIKE, I i'm. Indifferent If mobiley wins, It i'm gonna be. Happy If dray wins, It i'm gonna be. HAPPY i guess, SENTIMENTALLY i kind of am rooting For dre a little, bit just because he's the old. Guy but it's ridiculous that he's still doing this at such an old. Age, man it's.

Incredible he's one of the handful of greatest defensive players, ever and he certainly belongs in the conversation you mentioned how effective he's been as a rim. Protector he's been a ninety fourth percentile isolation. Defender just such a rare combination historically of the ability to defend the perimeter at such a high level and then also to be such a destructive back line. Defender and although his opponent field goal percentage differential at the rim is still, elite he's a very good rim. Protector it obviously doesn't look the same as A mobile or these other conventional bigs who are defending a lot more shots at the. Rim but When dre does defend shots at the, rim he's very effective at doing, so and he's just flying. AROUND i, mean every rotation he is all. Over his, anticipation his, positioning his DEFENSIVE iq really is. Unrivaled he's the smartest defender, alive and he's up there for the smartest defender of all. Time there is one thing that you said THAT i would push back on a, bit which is that a point In dre's favor Is Evan mobley Has Garrett, allen AND i think that you got towards it at the. End BUT i Think Jimmy butler does deserve a lot of credit for what's happened with The warriors, defensively because Before jimmy joined the, team they were a, good not great. Defense When drey was on the, floor they were a, good not great. Defense it's Since jimmy joined that now they're second in defensive rating in that. Stretch they're an elite defense When jimmy And drey share the. Floor they're an elite defense When jimmy is on the floor, alone better actually than they are When drey is on the floor. Alone although it is a small sample size Of jimmy being on the floor Without drey for The, warriors BUT i do think that that's important to point out Because mobley is actually the guy who end to end this year has been anchoring elite team defense when he's on the, floor and consistently he has had The cavs rank as a better defense when he is on the floor Without Jared allen like, remarkably their two point defense is significantly, better which has been the case for. Years mobley is the better pure rim. Protector even their defensive rebound percentage has been higher in mobile only lineups than In Jared allen only, lineups SO i do think that that's important to point out how Dominant mobley has been at both the four and the. Five his versatility is also. Remarkable he is the much more impactful defensive, rebounder which allows him to anchor those units at the five so. Effectively he is still the more impactful rim. Protector you mentioned that their opponent field goal percentage at the rim is basically the, same But mobley is defending far more, attempts SO i do think that he has the greater impact as an interior defender for. Sure and the guy has elite. Switchability we talk about it all the, time but outside of Beam, adebayo he's the most switchable big in. Basketball he's a hell of isolation. Defender he defends most wings just about as well as anybody in. BASKETBALL i was watching him Guard Kevin durant the other day And katie barbecued The cavs in totality because he's been doing that to everybody because the man is playing out of his. Mind but when he tried to Isolate, mobli he was one of. Five he got blocked on a pull up. Jumper he had a, turnover and every shot that he was able to get off was a highly contested pull up. Jumper and there's not a lot of people who really can contest To katie jumper all that effectively because his release point is so. High mobley is one of those guys who can move with, him who has those fluid, hips but then who also has the size and length to like smother some of those. Shots so it's. INCREDIBLE i, mean when players try to Isolate mobile they shoot thirty nine percent on. Twos they have a true shooting percentage of forty. Eight AND i do want to hammer that home BECAUSE i saw somebody bring up in this conversation like That draymond's versatility clearly has him Above Mobile and they talked About mobli like he was some like conventional big who was getting blown, by and it's like, no.

Incredible he's one of the handful of greatest defensive players, ever and he certainly belongs in the conversation you mentioned how effective he's been as a rim. Protector he's been a ninety fourth percentile isolation. Defender just such a rare combination historically of the ability to defend the perimeter at such a high level and then also to be such a destructive back line. Defender and although his opponent field goal percentage differential at the rim is still, elite he's a very good rim. Protector it obviously doesn't look the same as A mobile or these other conventional bigs who are defending a lot more shots at the. Rim but When dre does defend shots at the, rim he's very effective at doing, so and he's just flying. AROUND i, mean every rotation he is all. Over his, anticipation his, positioning his DEFENSIVE iq really is. Unrivaled he's the smartest defender, alive and he's up there for the smartest defender of all. Time there is one thing that you said THAT i would push back on a, bit which is that a point In dre's favor Is Evan mobley Has Garrett, allen AND i think that you got towards it at the. End BUT i Think Jimmy butler does deserve a lot of credit for what's happened with The warriors, defensively because Before jimmy joined the, team they were a, good not great. Defense When drey was on the, floor they were a, good not great. Defense it's Since jimmy joined that now they're second in defensive rating in that. Stretch they're an elite defense When jimmy And drey share the. Floor they're an elite defense When jimmy is on the floor, alone better actually than they are When drey is on the floor. Alone although it is a small sample size Of jimmy being on the floor Without drey for The, warriors BUT i do think that that's important to point out Because mobley is actually the guy who end to end this year has been anchoring elite team defense when he's on the, floor and consistently he has had The cavs rank as a better defense when he is on the floor Without Jared allen like, remarkably their two point defense is significantly, better which has been the case for. Years mobley is the better pure rim. Protector even their defensive rebound percentage has been higher in mobile only lineups than In Jared allen only, lineups SO i do think that that's important to point out how Dominant mobley has been at both the four and the. Five his versatility is also. Remarkable he is the much more impactful defensive, rebounder which allows him to anchor those units at the five so. Effectively he is still the more impactful rim. Protector you mentioned that their opponent field goal percentage at the rim is basically the, same But mobley is defending far more, attempts SO i do think that he has the greater impact as an interior defender for. Sure and the guy has elite. Switchability we talk about it all the, time but outside of Beam, adebayo he's the most switchable big in. Basketball he's a hell of isolation. Defender he defends most wings just about as well as anybody in. BASKETBALL i was watching him Guard Kevin durant the other day And katie barbecued The cavs in totality because he's been doing that to everybody because the man is playing out of his. Mind but when he tried to Isolate, mobli he was one of. Five he got blocked on a pull up. Jumper he had a, turnover and every shot that he was able to get off was a highly contested pull up. Jumper and there's not a lot of people who really can contest To katie jumper all that effectively because his release point is so. High mobley is one of those guys who can move with, him who has those fluid, hips but then who also has the size and length to like smother some of those. Shots so it's. INCREDIBLE i, mean when players try to Isolate mobile they shoot thirty nine percent on. Twos they have a true shooting percentage of forty. Eight AND i do want to hammer that home BECAUSE i saw somebody bring up in this conversation like That draymond's versatility clearly has him Above Mobile and they talked About mobli like he was some like conventional big who was getting blown, by and it's like, no.

Or something like that's, Ridiculous like he's one of.

Or something like that's, Ridiculous like he's one of.

The most special bigs ever in terms of the ability to guard the.

The most special bigs ever in terms of the ability to guard the.

PERIMETER i don't know how you can watch the playoff series last year and come up exactly.

PERIMETER i don't know how you can watch the playoff series last year and come up exactly.

THAT i, MEAN i talk about it all the, time but he Held paloa to thirty seven percent shooting when he was the primary. Defender he he'ld take him to thirty seven percent. SHOOTING i, mean he has a special ability to move his feet out in. Space so that is part of what makes him so great. Defensively and you mentioned the defensive on off. SWING i think it's actually larger than, that according To cleaning The glass at, least which filters out garbage.

THAT i, MEAN i talk about it all the, time but he Held paloa to thirty seven percent shooting when he was the primary. Defender he he'ld take him to thirty seven percent. SHOOTING i, mean he has a special ability to move his feet out in. Space so that is part of what makes him so great. Defensively and you mentioned the defensive on off. SWING i think it's actually larger than, that according To cleaning The glass at, least which filters out garbage.

Time that was From Dato, BALLER i, think but, yeah.

Time that was From Dato, BALLER i, think but, yeah.

Okay so, yeah if you filter out garbage, time The calves have a five and a half point defensive on off swing WITH mobilei on compared to off it For dre that number is just two and a. Half so The calves defense is better WITH mobilei on the floor than The warriors is With dre on the, floor and The calves defense With mobley off the floor is worse than The warriors defense With dre off the. Floor and there's always a little bit of noise in defensive on off. Numbers, Right that's not the be, all end, All BUT i do think What mobley has done end to end anchoring elite defense this year gives him the slight edge in my. OPINION i do think that it's super. Close and like you, Said, MAN i mean when it comes to just Acknowledging dre's career, defensively you rooting for him for that. REASON i thought that he should have Won Defensive player of The year in twenty twenty. THREE i campaigned for him Over Jaron Jackson junior this, year which was not a common, take BUT i thought he had the best defensive. Season he would have won in twenty twenty two if he hadn't gotten hurt because he was anchoring a Dominant warriors defense that. Year Like draymond should have Multiple Defensive player of The year awards in my, opinion and the one depoit doesn't reflect how great and how long his defensive peak has. Been but what annoys me about this is how quickly this entire conversation just changed on a dime When draymond said on his podcast, like, HEY i THINK i should be in the Defensive player of The year. Conversation and it wasn't just that because he had some great defensive performances that aligned with. That obviously did a remarkable job On, giannis had a great game Against, milwaukee had eight stocks Against, denver like he was stacking up some great defensive. Performances but, REALISTICALLY i think that the impetus Of draymond going from having long odds to win the award to becoming the odds on favorite was just basically him using his, platform shout out to that, platform shout out to the, volume to say LIKE i THINK i deserve, It and that just kind of frustrated, Me and it kind of shows how arbitrary this stuff can be and how impactful narratives are and how much one big voice saying one thing can change the. Discourse SO i don't like that aspect of. IT i do think he is the second best. Candidate he is defending out of his mind right. Now But i've been saying it should be mobile Since wenby got, hurt AND i still would lean On Evan mobley.

Okay so, yeah if you filter out garbage, time The calves have a five and a half point defensive on off swing WITH mobilei on compared to off it For dre that number is just two and a. Half so The calves defense is better WITH mobilei on the floor than The warriors is With dre on the, floor and The calves defense With mobley off the floor is worse than The warriors defense With dre off the. Floor and there's always a little bit of noise in defensive on off. Numbers, Right that's not the be, all end, All BUT i do think What mobley has done end to end anchoring elite defense this year gives him the slight edge in my. OPINION i do think that it's super. Close and like you, Said, MAN i mean when it comes to just Acknowledging dre's career, defensively you rooting for him for that. REASON i thought that he should have Won Defensive player of The year in twenty twenty. THREE i campaigned for him Over Jaron Jackson junior this, year which was not a common, take BUT i thought he had the best defensive. Season he would have won in twenty twenty two if he hadn't gotten hurt because he was anchoring a Dominant warriors defense that. Year Like draymond should have Multiple Defensive player of The year awards in my, opinion and the one depoit doesn't reflect how great and how long his defensive peak has. Been but what annoys me about this is how quickly this entire conversation just changed on a dime When draymond said on his podcast, like, HEY i THINK i should be in the Defensive player of The year. Conversation and it wasn't just that because he had some great defensive performances that aligned with. That obviously did a remarkable job On, giannis had a great game Against, milwaukee had eight stocks Against, denver like he was stacking up some great defensive. Performances but, REALISTICALLY i think that the impetus Of draymond going from having long odds to win the award to becoming the odds on favorite was just basically him using his, platform shout out to that, platform shout out to the, volume to say LIKE i THINK i deserve, It and that just kind of frustrated, Me and it kind of shows how arbitrary this stuff can be and how impactful narratives are and how much one big voice saying one thing can change the. Discourse SO i don't like that aspect of. IT i do think he is the second best. Candidate he is defending out of his mind right. Now But i've been saying it should be mobile Since wenby got, hurt AND i still would lean On Evan mobley.

HERE i THINK i Think i'm a. Line the one THING i will, add, though is we have been talking About steph and how you, Know jimmy's Helped steph so much come, along just alleviating some of that. Pressure AND i do think that's a similar case With drey, defensively like one Just jimmy being on the, floor but also like the psychological aspect that we always talk about it just breathing life into these, Guys LIKE i think it Gave dray And, steph these veteran guys who understand the, moment understand the, gravity understand this is a big. Deal AND i THINK i Think jimmy's breathed life into this team that they haven't had in uh honestly since the title. Run, Man like The warriors aren't. Dead they're not dead just, yet AND i Think dray And steph have got a lot left in the. Tank BUT i Think jimmy's kicked him into. Gear and, uh that did shock me, Though, man just the odds wings that's the craziest. Thing about all this going FROM i mean even before, that, DUDE i, Mean drey was like over like plus the, fact like you said a week ago is like plus eight. HUNDRED i mean before, that like the odds were. RIDICULOUS i don't. Know AND i also just don't Want mobley to get like underappreciated in all of, this, because, YEAH i Mean, mobley it's not like this is some new, deal Like mobley's a new kid on the. Block this is the first year that he's broke. OUT i, Mean mobley's been doing this, defensively.

HERE i THINK i Think i'm a. Line the one THING i will, add, though is we have been talking About steph and how you, Know jimmy's Helped steph so much come, along just alleviating some of that. Pressure AND i do think that's a similar case With drey, defensively like one Just jimmy being on the, floor but also like the psychological aspect that we always talk about it just breathing life into these, Guys LIKE i think it Gave dray And, steph these veteran guys who understand the, moment understand the, gravity understand this is a big. Deal AND i THINK i Think jimmy's breathed life into this team that they haven't had in uh honestly since the title. Run, Man like The warriors aren't. Dead they're not dead just, yet AND i Think dray And steph have got a lot left in the. Tank BUT i Think jimmy's kicked him into. Gear and, uh that did shock me, Though, man just the odds wings that's the craziest. Thing about all this going FROM i mean even before, that, DUDE i, Mean drey was like over like plus the, fact like you said a week ago is like plus eight. HUNDRED i mean before, that like the odds were. RIDICULOUS i don't. Know AND i also just don't Want mobley to get like underappreciated in all of, this, because, YEAH i Mean, mobley it's not like this is some new, deal Like mobley's a new kid on the. Block this is the first year that he's broke. OUT i, Mean mobley's been doing this, defensively.

AND i do third For DePoy his second year in the.

AND i do third For DePoy his second year in the.

League, Yeah LIKE i think you make the key part of the argument is that end to. End you, know it's not a two month stretch Where dre's been. Dominating mobley's been doing this all.

League, Yeah LIKE i think you make the key part of the argument is that end to. End you, know it's not a two month stretch Where dre's been. Dominating mobley's been doing this all.

Year and.

Year and.

IF i was starting a defense right, NOW i don't know if this should be the, TIEBREAKER i would Take.

IF i was starting a defense right, NOW i don't know if this should be the, TIEBREAKER i would Take.

Mobley, yeah and it's super, close by the, WAY i don't mean to make it sound Like dre hasn't been an extremely impactful defender end to end this, year but The warriors team defense has totally kicked it up a notch Since jimmy joined the, team they have been up a, level whereas if you look at the minutes That mobley's been on the floor Without Jared allen all, year, like their defensive rating has been super, impressive and it hasn't been quite as impressive For dre when he is on the floor Without, jimmy they have a defensive rating north of one to twelve in those. Minutes i'm as big A draymond guy as there. IS i think that, again he's one of the handful of greatest defensive players, ever and you cannot have The warriors dynasty Without draymond, defensively just like obviously you can't have it Without steph. Offensively but my favorite stat to recite is that The warriors have had more top five defenses in their run of dominance then they have top five. Offenses that is the work Of Draymond, green AND i would love to see him get another. ONE i just don't really like how this whole discourse has come, about and of COURSE i don't like that it's coming at the expense of my belove At Evan. MOBLEY i love both these. GUYS i, mean these are two of my top ten FAVORITE nba, Players but it does feel like some people are, like here's the vet who we all, know who's been doing this for a long. Time let's give him some. Love and THERE i think Underrating, Yeah lowe's defensive greatness because everybody just under eight Seven, mobile which is all. GOOD i don't, care stop, fifteen deal with, it and it's only up from.

Mobley, yeah and it's super, close by the, WAY i don't mean to make it sound Like dre hasn't been an extremely impactful defender end to end this, year but The warriors team defense has totally kicked it up a notch Since jimmy joined the, team they have been up a, level whereas if you look at the minutes That mobley's been on the floor Without Jared allen all, year, like their defensive rating has been super, impressive and it hasn't been quite as impressive For dre when he is on the floor Without, jimmy they have a defensive rating north of one to twelve in those. Minutes i'm as big A draymond guy as there. IS i think that, again he's one of the handful of greatest defensive players, ever and you cannot have The warriors dynasty Without draymond, defensively just like obviously you can't have it Without steph. Offensively but my favorite stat to recite is that The warriors have had more top five defenses in their run of dominance then they have top five. Offenses that is the work Of Draymond, green AND i would love to see him get another. ONE i just don't really like how this whole discourse has come, about and of COURSE i don't like that it's coming at the expense of my belove At Evan. MOBLEY i love both these. GUYS i, mean these are two of my top ten FAVORITE nba, Players but it does feel like some people are, like here's the vet who we all, know who's been doing this for a long. Time let's give him some. Love and THERE i think Underrating, Yeah lowe's defensive greatness because everybody just under eight Seven, mobile which is all. GOOD i don't, care stop, fifteen deal with, it and it's only up from.

Here let's Give Marcus smart a, Man AND.

Here let's Give Marcus smart a, Man AND.

I do think there are a couple guys who are at least worth a shout, here Like Dyson daniels obviously is having a, phenomenal phenomenal guard, season like by far leads the league and, deflections, steals, drives. Stopped he's been the best defensive guard in. Basketball it's just always really hard for me to argue a guard over a super impactful big or an elite back line defender like you get With mobile And. Draymond AND i think you see that with the kind of wonky fact that The hawks defense has been slightly better With Dyson daniels off the. Floor, Obviously Dyson daniels is a phenomenal defensive. Player that just tells, you though that you can't quite have the same monstrous impact defensively as a guard as you can as one of these guys who is a more, impact full overall team and help, defender and Then Jaren Jackson. JUNIOR i do think belongs firmly in this, conversation BUT i just Think mobley's the better. DEFENDER i think they have a lot of the same. STRENGTHS i would say That TRIPLE j is the better pure rim, protector But mobile is a significantly better defensive. Rebounder he's a significantly better drop, Defender he's a better post, Defender he's more. Disciplined TRIPLE j still fouls too, much so all those. Things in, Totality they're both very, switchable BUT i would even Give mobley a slight edge. THERE i would Take mobley over the field at this. Point but while we're talking about, Awards, LOGAN i want to take a quick look at the First Team ALL nba because it feels like there are four guys who very clearly should be locks for that first team this, year that Being, Sga, Jokic, jannis And Jason. Tatum presuming that you agree with those four being, Locks, logan who would get your fifth First Team ALL nba spot right?

I do think there are a couple guys who are at least worth a shout, here Like Dyson daniels obviously is having a, phenomenal phenomenal guard, season like by far leads the league and, deflections, steals, drives. Stopped he's been the best defensive guard in. Basketball it's just always really hard for me to argue a guard over a super impactful big or an elite back line defender like you get With mobile And. Draymond AND i think you see that with the kind of wonky fact that The hawks defense has been slightly better With Dyson daniels off the. Floor, Obviously Dyson daniels is a phenomenal defensive. Player that just tells, you though that you can't quite have the same monstrous impact defensively as a guard as you can as one of these guys who is a more, impact full overall team and help, defender and Then Jaren Jackson. JUNIOR i do think belongs firmly in this, conversation BUT i just Think mobley's the better. DEFENDER i think they have a lot of the same. STRENGTHS i would say That TRIPLE j is the better pure rim, protector But mobile is a significantly better defensive. Rebounder he's a significantly better drop, Defender he's a better post, Defender he's more. Disciplined TRIPLE j still fouls too, much so all those. Things in, Totality they're both very, switchable BUT i would even Give mobley a slight edge. THERE i would Take mobley over the field at this. Point but while we're talking about, Awards, LOGAN i want to take a quick look at the First Team ALL nba because it feels like there are four guys who very clearly should be locks for that first team this, year that Being, Sga, Jokic, jannis And Jason. Tatum presuming that you agree with those four being, Locks, logan who would get your fifth First Team ALL nba spot right?

Now the first GUY i wrote down Is Evan.

Now the first GUY i wrote down Is Evan.

Mobley, whoa, yeah sandbag AND's son of a. Bitch you just know how to put a smile on my, face you crazy son of a. Bitch Evan Mobley First Team ALL. Nba i'll, Be i'll.

Mobley, whoa, yeah sandbag AND's son of a. Bitch you just know how to put a smile on my, face you crazy son of a. Bitch Evan Mobley First Team ALL. Nba i'll, Be i'll.

Be i'm Buttering carson's biscuit right.

Be i'm Buttering carson's biscuit right.

NOW i, mean this is What i'm, saying. Dude every Time i've got to take you take it a little bit. Further, PERSONALLY i think that's kind of, crazy BUT i fucking love.

NOW i, mean this is What i'm, saying. Dude every Time i've got to take you take it a little bit. Further, PERSONALLY i think that's kind of, crazy BUT i fucking love.

It. WELL i, Mean i'm trying to think about who deserves it the, most AND i think you gotta have a few. Components for. Me, ONE i think it needs to be a good year by your own. Standards so Like Luka, doncic like raw, statistically like he's just not you.

It. WELL i, Mean i'm trying to think about who deserves it the, most AND i think you gotta have a few. Components for. Me, ONE i think it needs to be a good year by your own. Standards so Like Luka, doncic like raw, statistically like he's just not you.

Won't even meet the sixty five game. Minimum and true he wouldn't make it, anyways but.

Won't even meet the sixty five game. Minimum and true he wouldn't make it, anyways but.

He wasn't good enough by his. Standards to, Me, LEBRON i didn't think has been good enough end to end this year to be first. Team the same THING i thought With Steph, curry AND i think you got to have the team. Success and so the first two guys that came to mind WERE a calv if It's Evan mobley or if It's Donovan. Mitchell, Personally i'm indifferent to who they, choose BUT i Think Evan mobley is the best calv SO i would give it to. Him LIKE i think it would be statistically underwhelming to some people when you just look at the box, score it's, like, oh we got a guy with eighteen points and seven. Rebounds this is A i don't. Know many people would probably call it a Fucking DeAndre Jordan ALL Nba First team and it's, like that's totally disingenuous to the player That Evan mobley.

He wasn't good enough by his. Standards to, Me, LEBRON i didn't think has been good enough end to end this year to be first. Team the same THING i thought With Steph, curry AND i think you got to have the team. Success and so the first two guys that came to mind WERE a calv if It's Evan mobley or if It's Donovan. Mitchell, Personally i'm indifferent to who they, choose BUT i Think Evan mobley is the best calv SO i would give it to. Him LIKE i think it would be statistically underwhelming to some people when you just look at the box, score it's, like, oh we got a guy with eighteen points and seven. Rebounds this is A i don't. Know many people would probably call it a Fucking DeAndre Jordan ALL Nba First team and it's, like that's totally disingenuous to the player That Evan mobley.

Is But i'd kill myself if anybody said that to my. Face.

Is But i'd kill myself if anybody said that to my. Face.

DUDE i saw somebody the other day calls.

DUDE i saw somebody the other day calls.

Accurate does it have to do With Evan mobley and is it? Negative because this is ALL i don't want to hear.

Accurate does it have to do With Evan mobley and is it? Negative because this is ALL i don't want to hear.

It, no it has something to do With DeAndre. JORDAN i saw somebody Commented DeAndre jordan as The Nicola jokic of The Kembe, mutombo's AND i wanted to blow my head. OFF i wanted to put one to the.

It, no it has something to do With DeAndre. JORDAN i saw somebody Commented DeAndre jordan as The Nicola jokic of The Kembe, mutombo's AND i wanted to blow my head. OFF i wanted to put one to the.

Dome he's more like The Mason plumley of The Kembe. Mutambo's that's WHAT i.

Dome he's more like The Mason plumley of The Kembe. Mutambo's that's WHAT i.

Think that was way.

Think that was way.

More we could just not compare him to The Kembe. Mutambo it's, great, obviously he's more like The nicola jokicch Of Daniel gafford's, maybe but is he even a better rim protector Than? DANIEL i was just thinking about the vertical spacing the rim. Protection DeAndre jordan had a very Simple Nicole Yoe, chris you, know, yeah, yeah basically.

More we could just not compare him to The Kembe. Mutambo it's, great, obviously he's more like The nicola jokicch Of Daniel gafford's, maybe but is he even a better rim protector Than? DANIEL i was just thinking about the vertical spacing the rim. Protection DeAndre jordan had a very Simple Nicole Yoe, chris you, know, yeah, yeah basically.

Like so that may be, mad but to, me it wouldn't be like. That even though, statistically you, know you may be, UNDERWHELMED i think in totality like his, impact that's What i'm really looking at is the most important thing to. Me and SO i only wrote down three names THAT i really seriously considered that had all of those. Components that Was mobilely Or, mitchell and then the next guy get too would be Jaylen, brunson just BECAUSE i think, that you, know team, success great offensive, player great player in, general done it into end this, year really, impactful best player on his. TEAM kd team success Component Anthony edwards team success, Component like there's just certain boxes that need to be checked for me that aren't being checked by those, guys AND i want to reward the last spot to a guy whose team has had a lot of, success and SO i ended up settling on A nick or A. Cav and so those are my three. Picks do you THINK i got too Much Evan mobley and my pipe?

Like so that may be, mad but to, me it wouldn't be like. That even though, statistically you, know you may be, UNDERWHELMED i think in totality like his, impact that's What i'm really looking at is the most important thing to. Me and SO i only wrote down three names THAT i really seriously considered that had all of those. Components that Was mobilely Or, mitchell and then the next guy get too would be Jaylen, brunson just BECAUSE i think, that you, know team, success great offensive, player great player in, general done it into end this, year really, impactful best player on his. TEAM kd team success Component Anthony edwards team success, Component like there's just certain boxes that need to be checked for me that aren't being checked by those, guys AND i want to reward the last spot to a guy whose team has had a lot of, success and SO i ended up settling on A nick or A. Cav and so those are my three. Picks do you THINK i got too Much Evan mobley and my pipe?

MAN i, mean it's bold, logan it's REALLY i understand that you want to reward A cav because they are having one of the great regular seasons that we've ever. Seen BUT i would say the reason that they're having one of those great regular seasons is above all, else because they could easily have three guys who make An ALL nba, team and then you Have Jared, allen and then you have the totality of the supporting, cast and you have a guy who very well could be the coach of the. Year, like team's success can be such a collective, effort and it's not something THAT i value all that much when we're talking About ALL. Nba. Now of, COURSE i value highly your impact on your team's. Success but if you're a great player in a shitty, situation your team's not gonna win as many games as a guy Like Evan mobley who's playing with another top fifteen, guy And Donovan mitchell who's playing with another top twenty five guy And Darius, garland.

MAN i, mean it's bold, logan it's REALLY i understand that you want to reward A cav because they are having one of the great regular seasons that we've ever. Seen BUT i would say the reason that they're having one of those great regular seasons is above all, else because they could easily have three guys who make An ALL nba, team and then you Have Jared, allen and then you have the totality of the supporting, cast and you have a guy who very well could be the coach of the. Year, like team's success can be such a collective, effort and it's not something THAT i value all that much when we're talking About ALL. Nba. Now of, COURSE i value highly your impact on your team's. Success but if you're a great player in a shitty, situation your team's not gonna win as many games as a guy Like Evan mobley who's playing with another top fifteen, guy And Donovan mitchell who's playing with another top twenty five guy And Darius, garland.

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Etc SO i do think that you can make first Team ALL nba while being on a team that is very. Mediocre luca made it just two years ago when The MAVs were the eleven Seed victor roemnyamaf he had stayed. Healthy this, YEAR i think most people did consider a, lock and The spurs were twenty one and twenty five when he. Played So i'm just giving it to the guy WHO i think is having the fifth best, season and That's Kevin. DURANT i Think Kevin durant is having a, phenomenal phenomenal season that is going criminally. Underrated AND i just talked about this some BECAUSE i had him number seven in my player, rankings which was four spots higher than you had. Him but the guy is giving you twenty seven point six, boards four and a half assists to game on sixty four percent true. Shooting he still has the best combination of on and off ball scoring in the. League this guy has an effective field goal percentage of sixty six on catch and shoot, jumpers and he is number one in pull up jumper efficiency among the top twenty five guys in, attempts so he's had as good a jump shooting season as anybody in. Basketball he's a ninetieth percentile efficiency spot up, guy and he's a ninety third percentile isolation. Guy he shoots over fifty four percent for mid, range, which by the, way, logan he's done over the last five seasons ever since he came back from His achilles. Tear he's been a fifty four percent mid range, shooter which is just. Unfathomable and he's almost forty three percent from. Deep and in that same five year, span he's better than forty percent from. Deep like What katie has been doing over this last half decade after he tore his achilles and came back at thirty two years. Old it's some of the greatest scoring longevity we've ever. SEEN i tweeted this out yesterday, too but there are only two guys with more than twelve seasons scoring twenty five or more points per game IN nba. History katie has. Sixteen lebron has. Twenty nobody else is over. Twelve so if it weren't For, LEBRON i, Mean katie would be standing head and shoulders above everybody else IN nba. History in terms of that elite scoring production year after year for well over a. Decade he just happens to be overshadowed by the greatest longevity we've ever. Seen BUT i don't want that to make What kat's doing feel. NORMAL i don't want it to make us underappreciate what he's, doing because it is utterly remarkable this scoring volume and, efficiency and he's still a legitimate plus. Defender he holds opposing players seven percent below their average at the, rim is still actively a good secondary rim. Protector and when we talk about the team success, component When Kevin durant, plays The suns are thirty three and twenty, six they're a legitimately good basketball. Team when he plays With Devin, booker they're thirty two and twenty. One that is a fifty win. Pace that is a legitimate playoff. Lock the problem is they're two and eleven Without, katie and they're three and sixteen when Either katie or book misses a. Game so that's WHY i just don't value like the seting, point because WHEN kt is on the, floor this is a legitimately good basketball, team and he's doing that in spite of the fact that the supporting cast. Sucks and there's one, Dude, logan WHO i think is so culpable for so much of. It AND i just went down a rabbit hole Of Bradley beal induced, depression, man BECAUSE i started digging into some of the numbers over the last three.

Etc SO i do think that you can make first Team ALL nba while being on a team that is very. Mediocre luca made it just two years ago when The MAVs were the eleven Seed victor roemnyamaf he had stayed. Healthy this, YEAR i think most people did consider a, lock and The spurs were twenty one and twenty five when he. Played So i'm just giving it to the guy WHO i think is having the fifth best, season and That's Kevin. DURANT i Think Kevin durant is having a, phenomenal phenomenal season that is going criminally. Underrated AND i just talked about this some BECAUSE i had him number seven in my player, rankings which was four spots higher than you had. Him but the guy is giving you twenty seven point six, boards four and a half assists to game on sixty four percent true. Shooting he still has the best combination of on and off ball scoring in the. League this guy has an effective field goal percentage of sixty six on catch and shoot, jumpers and he is number one in pull up jumper efficiency among the top twenty five guys in, attempts so he's had as good a jump shooting season as anybody in. Basketball he's a ninetieth percentile efficiency spot up, guy and he's a ninety third percentile isolation. Guy he shoots over fifty four percent for mid, range, which by the, way, logan he's done over the last five seasons ever since he came back from His achilles. Tear he's been a fifty four percent mid range, shooter which is just. Unfathomable and he's almost forty three percent from. Deep and in that same five year, span he's better than forty percent from. Deep like What katie has been doing over this last half decade after he tore his achilles and came back at thirty two years. Old it's some of the greatest scoring longevity we've ever. SEEN i tweeted this out yesterday, too but there are only two guys with more than twelve seasons scoring twenty five or more points per game IN nba. History katie has. Sixteen lebron has. Twenty nobody else is over. Twelve so if it weren't For, LEBRON i, Mean katie would be standing head and shoulders above everybody else IN nba. History in terms of that elite scoring production year after year for well over a. Decade he just happens to be overshadowed by the greatest longevity we've ever. Seen BUT i don't want that to make What kat's doing feel. NORMAL i don't want it to make us underappreciate what he's, doing because it is utterly remarkable this scoring volume and, efficiency and he's still a legitimate plus. Defender he holds opposing players seven percent below their average at the, rim is still actively a good secondary rim. Protector and when we talk about the team success, component When Kevin durant, plays The suns are thirty three and twenty, six they're a legitimately good basketball. Team when he plays With Devin, booker they're thirty two and twenty. One that is a fifty win. Pace that is a legitimate playoff. Lock the problem is they're two and eleven Without, katie and they're three and sixteen when Either katie or book misses a. Game so that's WHY i just don't value like the seting, point because WHEN kt is on the, floor this is a legitimately good basketball, team and he's doing that in spite of the fact that the supporting cast. Sucks and there's one, Dude, logan WHO i think is so culpable for so much of. It AND i just went down a rabbit hole Of Bradley beal induced, depression, man BECAUSE i started digging into some of the numbers over the last three.

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He's a terrible fit, here and he is such a negative, Defensively and it's just remarkable how much better they've been without him SINCE kd joined The. Suns When book AND kd play together Without Bradley, beal The sons are thirty two and. Eleven that includes thirteen and three this. Year by the, way When katie And book share the floor, together The sons are a plus nine point six net. Team they're an excellent basketball team this. Year WHEN kd is out there Without book Or, beel, actually The sons are a plus ten net. Team that's what he's doing as his lone superhero Ark and in the minutes Without Devin, booker he's giving you like thirty one points per seventy five possessions On insane a fish and. See but When katie And book are out there, together just this, year Without, beal The sons are still a plus nine net, team and then when you put all three of them, together they're a negative three net. Team bial has been that. Catastrophic he has been more of a negative for them than role players who will just do their, job who will just try to fit, in who will compete, defensively who are, bigger better. Athletes beal has a negative twelve on off swing this, year like he really has ruined this, team and they were already trending downwards right With Chris paul's, regression With DeAndre ayten's, REGRESSION i don't think there was a way for them to reopen a title window after twenty twenty. Three But Bradley beal has made things as bad as they possibly could, be and obviously he has trapped. Them so it's hard to even talk About katie's greatness this season without still getting into a Whole sun's doomsday, thing because that's what makes this all so. Depressing katie is still that, great and yet he can't salvage the team because when he's not on the, floor they're incapable of winning any basketball. Games and even when he is on the, floor they can be a really good, team but they can't be a great team because the limitations of those around him are so. Glaring but he's still absolutely. DOMINANT i think he's having a sensational, season And lebron would probably be the next guy who comes to mind for me. Here BUT i just Think lebron was not very good for the first twenty five games of this. Season he was a twenty two point per game guy on average. Efficiency he wasn't competing. Defensively he was a negative on off. Guy katie has been more, consistent SO i would give him the. Nod i'm moved you Got katie on your first. TEAM i moved you all the WAY i.