Sherri Shepherd Isn’t Rushing To Defend Wendy Williams. Beyonce and Jay Z’s Lawyers Involved After Kanye West Attacks Their Kids. Prince Harry furious As Immigration Files Are Unsealed.

Published Mar 20, 2025, 12:37 PM

As Wendy Williams’ struggles continue to make headlines, one former daytime talk rival isn’t rushing to her defense—and insiders say it’s no accident. Kanye West has crossed the line again, this time launching a shocking, unprovoked attack on Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s 7-year-old twins, Rumi and Sir, in a disturbing rant. The Duke of Sussex is absolutely livid after his US immigration records were unsealed, exposing potential legal trouble over his past drug use, which he openly admitted to in his memoir Spare.

Rob is joined by the charming Marc Lupo. Don't forget to vote in today's poll on Twitter at @naughtynicerob or in our Facebook group.

Hello, No Low, Welcome to the Naughty but Nice your host of Shooter and it's Thursday, which means our dear friend Mark Looper joins us, Hey, Lupy, are you there?

Loopy louis here?

Loopy Lou? I love that nickname. It's so you because it's silly and fun, but also too means business business, And absolutely are you in a business mood today or you're in a giddy mood? What sort of mood?

I think we have a lot to talk about business age.

Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a good show today. Okay, let's jump right in. What time is it, my friends? It is tea time. So this is a massive story that is exploding. Everybody in the media business, if not the public yet, are talking about this. Sherry Shepherd is refusing to defend Wendy Williams will really say anything during this really big moments. As you know, Wendy Williams has been struggling a lot. She's been in the headline. She's trying to get rid of this conservatorship now the person who took over Wendy's crown. Sherry Shepherd isn't exactly rushing to her defense. Let me explain. So when Wendy could no longer do the show, that was obvious, Sherry sort of filled in. A lot of people filled in. Sherry ended up getting that show. There's nothing wrong with that. Wendy did nothing wrong and Sherry did nothing wrong. They needed somebody to replace Wendy, and this was the opportunity of a lifetime and Sherry said yes. However, the first twenty minutes of Sherry's show is celebrity gossip. It's the news of the day, and the biggest story, at least of the last couple of weeks, has been Wendy Williams. Now, Sherry has not mentioned anything. Sources tell me she doesn't really want to get involved because she knows anything that she says is going to be scrutinized because she filled Wendy's shoes. However, other sources telling me this isn't Sherry, this is people who work on the show. This is her advisors who are telling Sherry not to say anything. But I think that's a really big mistake. I think every show that Today Show, GMA, all the big big shows Mark are talking about Wendy Williams. It's such a hot topic. I even think it made the nightly news. I saw her on a new show, the one show where there's radio silence, Sherry Shepherd, what do you think?

Well, Rob, as you know, I worked at Wendy Williams for eight years producer. It's a place where we met and yeah, I became friends, and so the show was near and dear to my heart, as is Wendy, and so her being sick this whole time has been really challenging. And so to watch someone you care about, you know, kind of fall apart. And so I think any person who then steps in and takes over this, a show that went on for fourteen years, is going to find themselves in a tricky position. And so I just think you can't win here. And so I do, all right, I understand kind of what has happened, and I would probably do the same thing.

Yeah, I think I would acknowledge it. But I think i'd also acknowledge that the acknowledge the elephant in the room. I'd say, talking about Wendy is really difficult for me because, as you know, this was the Wendy Williams show. I found out that on our show, on the podcast, and on my TV show, and the stuff that I do. The more honest I am, the better because I think the audience knows this. They're not stupid. They know that Sherry took over Wendy's show. They know that what they're trying to do is they want to appeal to the Wendy audience. They want the Wendy audience to keep watching Sherry. They don't want to alienate them, so they're scared that they might say something to put them off. But I think this is a lesson in life too. When you're scared, we often say nothing. Well nothing is saying a lot when you choose not to say anything, Mark. And I've made this mistake in the past. I've tried to be neutral. I've tried to stay out of stuff, and I really hurt my friends. I've really actually even hurt myself and my career. And I defend people. If somebody has said something about you, Mark that I did not like, I do not sit there and say nothing. I'd be like, you're wrong. He's great, And so I know Wendy and Sherry are not friends. Wendy said some quite cruel things about Sherry. Sherry's always took the high road here. Let's be clear Sherry has has never got down in the mud. But I think saying nothing is a mistake.

It's again, it's you know, it's it's a tricky place to be in. And and so you know, if ours if I was a host of the show, and you know, I would focus on what I do best, and maybe this is not something that they wanted to focus on, you know, for this particular format and for this show. And that's a tricky spot. Again. It's just you can't when when you're.

In, isn't it. It is? But that's what you paid the big books for. Like when I get into Tricky's sports, if I'm paid all the money, if I'm the boss, then it's my job. You know. Easy decisions don't come to me by the time they reached my desk. There's a problem, and often there is not a good answer. There's actually the less of two evils. Like both answers are not This is not going to be good here, So I've got to pick A or B. Do we do it? Do we don't? Knowing that I'm going to get backlash on both. I say here, Sherry, do the right thing. It's easy to support Wendy here because I think what's happening to her is a disgrace, I do, and that you don't need to say any more than that. How about Sherry invites Wendy on the show. That's too much, that's too much.

Oh my god. Well, listen, there's so many people who are supporting Wendy, thankfully, whether it be us or other you know, takshow hosts. And I think there's a lot of people now in her corner. It seems like it's been really helping. She's getting more freedoms at where she is, and so I think, you know, let's all keep the positive attitude towards her.

Yeah, I agree. Mark, Wendy, if you're listening, and you might be, we've known you for a long time. I know you love your podcast lo A Low, Which brings us to our whole question of the day. Cherry Shepherd is refusing to defend Wendy Williams not a word, hasn't said anything. Should she help? Should she try to help? She's in a really powerful position. She has her own show that used to be the Wendy Show, but she does have her own show. Should we speak out? It's a bigger question than even Sherry. Should we speak out to help people to stand up for what we believe in, even if sometimes it can ruffle some feathers. Hey what do you think? Go vote on our twit at page at Naughty Nice rab Our Facebook page is Naughty Gossip and be sure to check back tomorrow to hear your results. Hey, lupy, what are you working on?

This is a crazy story. So Beyonce and Jez are silent right now, but lawyers are involved after Kanye It's violent attack on their kids. Let me explain. So Kanye West has crossed the line yet again, the sound launching a shocking, unprovoked attack on Beyonce and Jesse's seven year old twins room in sir and a disturbing our caps rent on x Now. The rapper questioned the intelligence of the twins before we're removing the hateful post, only to reshare it hours later, making it clear he wasn't backing down. He said, I need everyone to know that I took the post about jay Z and Beyonce's family down because there was a possibility in my Twitter being canceled.

It should have been.

It should have been. And then, while the power couples refusing to comment publicly, insiders are telling them not it, but nice that they are already in talk to their legal team about how to handle West's latest unhinged attacks.

It makes sense, don't mess, don't mess with Beyonce and jay Z, and don't mess with anyone's kids. Now, we should point out out over night Beyonce's mother Tina has spoken as she said it's impossible to stay classy sometimes and calls what's going on evil, and I think that's a really good word for it. They're kids, their children like but should we be surprised after what he said about being a Nazi, after using his own kids for publicity. It's a really complicated story. This is mark because part of me wants to just ignore Kanye West and just bam him from our show and stop talking about him. But then it's such a big story and it's so outrageous, and when you're pulling in other celebrities, particularly people like Beyonce and jay Z, it's definitely out there. People are talking about this today. It's blowing up on social media. I think they are handling this just perfectly. Get your lawyers involved. Step back. I'm told it's done. Kanye and the Nooles Beyonce, jay Z, The Carter Family eat is over. There's no coming back once you attack the kids, once you attacked family. And Harry did this too in his book to Camilla, wouldn't you go after my family? How do I ever ever back down? It's something that I would struggle with. I'm not sure I could.

No, it's disgusting and it's disturbing, and you know, I think what's really interesting Charlotte and the guy recently came out I think the sweeker last week and said Kanye West is just so boring. And I think that's kind of where we go with him, is that he keeps seeing all these crazy things and people are just now we're just so tired of him and exhausted, and he keeps going lower and lower and it's just he's digging the grave deeper and deeper, and we just wanted to go away.

Yeah, it's relentless, isn't it. I find it That's that's a good word boring. I find it numbing. I'm just numb to him now, Like when you say stuff like this, my blood should boil, the hair on the back of my neck should stand up. It doesn't. He's just warm. Me down to the point where I'm numb. I don't know what he could say to shock me anymore. Just a disgrace, and I think beyond Say and jay Z are handling this just beautifully. Okay, Moving long, Prince Harry is furious that his US immigration files are unsealed, and he's not used to facing consequences. There's a little bit of a bite in this story, so Prince Harry is not taking this well. Sources say that the Duke of Sussex is absolutely livid after his US immigration records were uncealed, exposing potential legal problems over his past drug use, which he openly admitted in his memoir Spare let me explain. So, the Heritage Foundation, which is a right wing think tank, filed a freedom of information Act requesting to see Harry's history of drug use when he moved to the USA. This is difficult for Harry. However, instead of worrying about the problem here, and we often do this, we worry about our feelings. Sources tell me that Harry isn't used to getting his own way, and he thought this would just blow over like everything else has in his very privileged life, and now he might maybe for the first time be realizing that there's actually some serious consequences, and instead of being humbold or worried, he's furious. He's not scared. I'd be really scared. I became an American citizen and I had to talk about past drug use, which there wasn't any, and I had to do tests and I had to fill out forms. And if I had done this, if I had been a drug user in Britain, if I had used cocaine and marijuana and stuff that Harry has taught about in his book, I wouldn't be sitting here now. So why is it fair for the rules to be different for Harry. It's not fair Mark. But instead of being worried or concerned, he's angry, which I think is sort of like a rich kid mentality.

Wow.

I know, Wow, tough there. I know why I'd been too listen.

And I think people think they're a blah blah blah until they're not. And so you see like a Diddy where he was just riding eye and do whatever he wanted and then suddenly you know there are consequences and make the consequences. For Harry, it was fun to admit these things to sell books, and he you know, is cool and whatever, but now suddenly there's real consequences for what you're sharing. And and so I would imagine because he is a royal and you know, we want to keep the relationship going, that they'll probably find a way to keep this, you know, working in his favor. However, it's just it's a great lesson to you know, remember you were not above the law.

No one is not above the law. Now now you could afford better lawyers the we had, but the law is still the law. I think he has good reason to be a little bit worried. Okay, LUPI. So we're all talking about Hilaria, our friend Hilary Hillary Baldwin. There's a new video out of her. She's been interviewed by Extra Extra. I love that show, and she's pretty rough to her husband Alec on the video. I don't think she thought this was ever gonna Airmark. I thought she thought this would because that because she used to work for Extra So what's her beef? What's going on?

This video is incredible. I've watched over and over again. So Alardia is just fuming an adlex. She's turning her anger towards Billy Bush, about Billy, why No I love Billy, blaming them for the release of her now viral red carpet now her still not But notice that Aladia feels blindsided by extra decision to air the footage, given that she wants to worked as a correspondent for the entertainment news show.

She forgot about this. She's part of their family.

They did so the sort of says. She's furious and sees this as a betrayal. She's expected them to have her back, but now she's put on blast. Bob Bush didn't connect the interview himself. Insider say, Aladia believes she's had a hand in improving the segment and now she's not letting it go. She thinks Billy should have stepped in and kept it from airing, and she's blaming him personally, even though this is just how the media works.

He Laria, you're getting attention you love in this. She did a new video overnight with Alec reliving the scene where they played the scene and they lip synced along to it. I think they're really having a moment here. I'm not worried about them all, but it is interesting. You do get blamed if you're there at the top of the at the shadow, if you're shot, even though I guess he had nothing to do with it, I don't think Billy is sitting in the edit suite worrying about the packages for extra I just don't believe that it's true. Now, she did work there. So if Ard being the boss and I saw some potentially damaging video, I don't think she knows how bad this video is. I've watched it ten times. There's going to be stories now for weeks about Hilaria because of this video. And so if I'd seen that video and she worked for me, I had a phone number, I might text her and say, we're going to do you a solid and just cut this little little section out. No, they ed, and we've aired it over and over and over and over again. It makes me laugh. Good for you with Team Billy, Billy Billy. Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we will be right back. Welcome back to the Daughty Berna Show. My head stop Shooter with idear friend Mark bluepoe Hey Lupie. Let's get to the poll. Last show, we talked about Grennoth Paltrow giving Megan Markle a up a stamp of approval for her new lifestyle brand. Our question was quite simple, very very simple, simple question. Do you think Meghan is going to try and contact Gwyneth? Meghan reads her press, she reads her publicity. We actually have a little update about this a little later on in the show, but at the moment, what do you think will Meghan reach out to Gwyneth Paltrow? Seventy five percent said yes, you think there'll be a note in the mail or maybe she'll send one of those pots of jam of hers y y y. I agree with the noughties, and we're going to tell you actually what she did do in just a moment. Don't forget to vote on today's poul. We're going to a Twitter page at naughty nice rob Our facebook page is naughty nor simple, and be sure to check back tomorrow to hear your results. And now you're going to hear your results right now, actually, and now it's time for a nicest of the day.

Wow, surprise, surprise. Megan Markel personally reached out.

But thank you for her minutes later.

I love it. Breaking news. Okay, so Meghan Markle is making sure Gwyneth Paltrom knows she's grateful after the Goop, founder of publicly supported Meghan's new as ever lifestyle brand as far as to say the Duchess of Sussex personally reached out to thank her. Of course, of course, Meghan, course touch Ba wanted to thank her directly.

Oh, lovely, I just like you could have waited a day that. You know. It's like when you come on a date with somebody and you gotta wait like twenty four hours before you can text that. You gotta be a little subtle, met Meghan. Eight subtle Megan, do you think there'll be a collaboration? Meghan Will would love that.

We would buy it.

Honestly, I'd buy it when yeah, of course my head explode. My two favorites people to talk about. Okay, nice stuff that day. It's nice, I think, And now I know she is today naughty, naughty order Pina fe Is celebrity friends are clapping back. So yesterday Tina Fay said that she doesn't really like celebrities who have a side hustle. If you're worth two hundred million, why have you got a wine brand? Why have you got a fragrance? Why are you Megan Markle, and she said, I just judge it. She said, I do judge it.

Well.

Now, so this is a telling me that several of Tina's friends have side hustles, including Gwenneth and Reese, Megan Markle. I don't know even that Meghan's a friend of hers, but they do. Alec Baldwin, he has a side hustle. And so they're now saying she didn't mention names, but is she talking about me? Most likely yes, if you're a celebrity out there, Sarah Jessica Parker selling those shoes, or if you're a real housewife selling a bottle of wine to the phase judging you. But it's no longer just reality stars, is it. George Clooney I think has an expresso a coffee brand. Brad Pitt is now doing commsholes, so I think Brad has his own wine line, the vineyard that he used to own with Angeline. So now Tina's not just taking a little pinch at Reality Stars, which you can do and get away with. She's actually pinching big a list Hollywood.

Oh well, listen, I mean, movies are not what they once were, and the salaries are just not there, and I think to live that lifestyle and keep it going, it's gonna require some side hustles and so, I mean, it's kind of tacky, but I get it.

I'm for the sitles of Mark. If you and me got offered a commercial or a wine brand for naughty but Nice and the money, I don't really care about the product the money, of course, me and you with stick odd nabes are pretty much anything. Though. Your bubb would go to the grocery store and see your face on a tiler dog food.

Yes they want, We'll do it.

Send the cash, you go. Okay, let's end with the moment of rob. You get a rub, you get a robb, you get a rob. Start before you're ready, Just begin. So wait until you feel ready is just a way of procrastinating the truth. You're never going to feel one hundred percent readily. You don't need any more preparation, you don't need any more time. What you need to do is just start. Listen to this. Action creates clarity. Action builds confidence. You learn by doing, not waiting for the perfect moment. So I know you Mark, stop overthinking this, stop talking yourself out of it, and just begin now. And the rest will fall into place. We've been doing this show now for four or five years. We were not ready when we started Mark. We weren't we will, still learning how to do it. Could barely turn on our mics. We were still figuring out what the show was. But we did it. We sat down and if you go back and listen to the early episodes, they're not very good. But now they are. And the only reason they're good now is because they were not very good four years ago. You have to start at the beginning. What do you think?

I remember very early on doing this and we would go to this coffee shop and we would refers, and I was so nervous. I was freaking out, and You're like, it's gonna be fine, It's gonna be fine. And then here we are five few years later.

And it's a nice thing about it, though, Mark is now five years later, because you did the work, you're not nervous about doing this now. It's another skill that we have. And I think we're always scared of the unknown, and the only way it becomes familiar is by doing it. Just do it and keep going. If you're scared. When I first got my TV show Mark, I was scared every day, but after a month I got used to it. I couldn't be scared anymore. It's too exhausting. I just did did the work, do the work and start now. Hey, thank you so much for listening today. We are a production of iHeartRadio and Elvis Duran. Thank you very much. Don't forget to subscribe on the iHeartRadio Apple podcasts wherever you listen, leave us a review if you can, and let's all sign off together. My friends, if you're going to be naughty, you gotta be let me hear you nice. Take care of everybody here.

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