James and journalist Jason Dove Mark explain the roadless rule, national forests, and the Trump administration's attempts to strip protections from tens of thousands of acres of public land.

 https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-223869 
https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/roadless-rule 
https://morethanjustparks.com/threatened-public-lands-map/ 

James and journalist Jason Dove Mark explain the roadless rule, national forests, and the Trump administration's attempts to strip protections from tens of thousands of acres of public land.
&nbsp;<a href="https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-223869">https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-223869</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/roadless-rule">https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/roadless-rule</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://morethanjustparks.com/threatened-public-lands-map/">https://morethanjustparks.com/threatened-public-lands-map/</a>&nbsp;

Natural Causes is a podcast about the politics and practicalities of going outside in a world on fire, hosted by Dr. James Stout. It approaches the outdoors, conservation, agriculture, food sovereignty, and Indigenous land rights as interconnected issues. We want to combine unflinching journalism with unabashed advocacy for the land we all share, and welcome everyone into the outdoors and the fight for our public lands. Our shared wild spaces are under threat like never before, from climate change, the Trump administration, and extractive capitalism. Now, more than ever, we need serious journalism and serious solidarity that engages people with the struggle to protect these spaces for generations to come. New episodes weekly.

Natural Causes is a podcast about the politics and practicalities of going outside in a world on fire, hosted by Dr. James Stout. It approaches the outdoors, conservation, agriculture, food sovereignty, and Indigenous land rights as interconnected issues. We want to combine unflinching journalism with unabashed advocacy for the land we all share, and welcome everyone into the outdoors and the fight for our public lands. Our shared wild spaces are under threat like never before, from climate change, the Trump administration, and extractive capitalism. Now, more than ever, we need serious journalism and serious solidarity that engages people with the struggle to protect these spaces for generations to come. New episodes weekly.

Natural Causes

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

What's the Roadless Rule and Who Wants To Scrap It?

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/0b1820ea-d699-4368-b916-b4c2016f18e3/transcript

In Part Two of our series on The Wall and the Wilderness, James talks about the cultural and ecological damage done by the border wall and continues his interview with Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.

Sources:

https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46  
https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5 
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore 
https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html 
https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness 
https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46 
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility 
https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel 
https://www.atkore.com/about-us 
https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/ 
https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014 
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm

 

In Part Two of our series on The Wall and the Wilderness, James talks about the cultural and ecological damage done by the border wall and continues his interview with Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.
Sources:
<a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5">https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore">https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html">https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness">https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel">https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.atkore.com/about-us">https://www.atkore.com/about-us</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/">https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174">https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014">https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm">https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm</a>
&nbsp;

The Coming Flood

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/14566a8b-91ee-4b5a-9f3f-b4d20171be34/transcript

James talks about the ecological disaster that is the border wall and interviews Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.

Sources:

https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46
https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5 
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore 
https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html 
https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness 
https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46 
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility 
https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel 
https://www.atkore.com/about-us 
https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/ 
https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174 
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014 
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm 

James talks about the ecological disaster that is the border wall and interviews Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.
Sources:
<a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a> <a href="https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5">https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore">https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html">https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness">https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel">https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.atkore.com/about-us">https://www.atkore.com/about-us</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/">https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174">https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014">https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm">https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm</a>&nbsp;

The Wall and the Wilderness 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/89200528-39b6-4f4c-b35e-b4cb017d9545/transcript

James is joined by Molly to discuss how the Bureau of Land Management is quietly changing its approach to public land management and what it means for approximately 900 bison in Central Montana.

(originally run on It Could Happen Here in May 2026)

Sources:
https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/810541893_202412_990_2025073023621659.pdf 

https://gov.mt.gov/_docs/governor/AmericanPrairieProposedDecisionJanuary162026.pdf 

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-17537.pdf 

https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2026-01-21/blm-cancels-bison-grazing-permits-for-montana-nature-reserve

https://news.mt.gov/Governors-Office/Governor_Gianforte_Appeals_Judges_APR_Bison_Grazing_Decision#:~:text=Following%20the%20judge's%20order%2C%20DNRC,appeal%20may%20be%20found%20here. 

https://t.co/HUAyMUnOVi 

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2015/06/18/business-leaders-provide-green-behind-conservation-effort/28960843/ 

https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-revokes-american-prairie-bison-grazing-permit

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/estatetaxfinal.pdf 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/05/12/2026-09386/rescission-of-conservation-and-landscape-health-rule  

https://www.blm.gov/about/laws-and-regulations/conservation-and-landscape-health-rule 

https://largetribes.org/2026/02/affirmative-action-for-cattle-tribes-challenge-feds-plan-to-revoke-bison-grazing-leases-on-public-land-media-share/

James is joined by Molly to discuss how the Bureau of Land Management is quietly changing its approach to public land management and what it means for approximately 900 bison in Central Montana.
(originally run on It Could Happen Here in May 2026)
Sources: <a href="https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/810541893_202412_990_2025073023621659.pdf">https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/810541893_202412_990_2025073023621659.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://gov.mt.gov/_docs/governor/AmericanPrairieProposedDecisionJanuary162026.pdf">https://gov.mt.gov/_docs/governor/AmericanPrairieProposedDecisionJanuary162026.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-17537.pdf">https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-17537.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2026-01-21/blm-cancels-bison-grazing-permits-for-montana-nature-reserve">https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2026-01-21/blm-cancels-bison-grazing-permits-for-montana-nature-reserve</a>
<a href="https://news.mt.gov/Governors-Office/Governor_Gianforte_Appeals_Judges_APR_Bison_Grazing_Decision#:~:text=Following%20the%20judge's%20order%2C%20DNRC,appeal%20may%20be%20found%20here">https://news.mt.gov/Governors-Office/Governor_Gianforte_Appeals_Judges_APR_Bison_Grazing_Decision#:~:text=Following%20the%20judge's%20order%2C%20DNRC,appeal%20may%20be%20found%20here</a>.&nbsp;
<a href="https://t.co/HUAyMUnOVi">https://t.co/HUAyMUnOVi</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2015/06/18/business-leaders-provide-green-behind-conservation-effort/28960843/">https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2015/06/18/business-leaders-provide-green-behind-conservation-effort/28960843/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-revokes-american-prairie-bison-grazing-permit">https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-revokes-american-prairie-bison-grazing-permit</a>
<a href="https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/estatetaxfinal.pdf">https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/estatetaxfinal.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/05/12/2026-09386/rescission-of-conservation-and-landscape-health-rule">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/05/12/2026-09386/rescission-of-conservation-and-landscape-health-rule</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.blm.gov/about/laws-and-regulations/conservation-and-landscape-health-rule">https://www.blm.gov/about/laws-and-regulations/conservation-and-landscape-health-rule</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://largetribes.org/2026/02/affirmative-action-for-cattle-tribes-challenge-feds-plan-to-revoke-bison-grazing-leases-on-public-land-media-share/">https://largetribes.org/2026/02/affirmative-action-for-cattle-tribes-challenge-feds-plan-to-revoke-bison-grazing-leases-on-public-land-media-share/</a>

Did Donald Trump Ban Buffalo?

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/dd551da1-7459-4ab6-9539-b4bd01734b07/transcript

What's the Roadless Rule and Who Wants To Scrap It?

Natural Causes

In 2 playlist(s)

Natural Causes

Social links

Follow podcast

Recent clips