In Part Two of our series on The Wall and the Wilderness, James talks about the cultural and ecological damage done by the border wall and continues his interview with Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.

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https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46  
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https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility 
https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel 
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https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174 
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https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm

 

In Part Two of our series on The Wall and the Wilderness, James talks about the cultural and ecological damage done by the border wall and continues his interview with Dr. Christina Aiello about the Peninsular Bighorn ram that was killed by razor wire in the Jacumba mountains.
Sources:
<a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5">https://www-jstor-org.sdmesa.idm.oclc.org/stable/3636811?seq=5</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore">https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=Atkore</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html">https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_a11265b0-17c3-5bed-b50a-72e5d17e1369.html</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness">https://www.blm.gov/visit/jacumba-wilderness</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46">https://www.usaspending.gov/search?hash=29de9d51905bd175a701b04c24176b46</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/08/2025-05992/determination-pursuant-to-section-102-of-the-illegal-immigration-reform-and-immigrant-responsibility</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel">https://www.enr.com/articles/54215-us-settles-border-wall-suit-against-contractor-fisher-sand-gravel</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.atkore.com/about-us">https://www.atkore.com/about-us</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/">https://desertreport.org/a-border-wall-in-the-jacumba-wilderness-area/</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174">https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014">https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_70B01C25F00001112_7014_70B01C23D00000010_7014</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm">https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1666138/000166613826000010/atkr-20260429.htm</a>
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Natural Causes is a podcast about the politics and practicalities of going outside in a world on fire, hosted by Dr. James Stout. It approaches the outdoors, conservation, agriculture, food sovereignty, and Indigenous land rights as interconnected issues. We want to combine unflinching journalism with unabashed advocacy for the land we all share, and welcome everyone into the outdoors and the fight for our public lands. Our shared wild spaces are under threat like never before, from climate change, the Trump administration, and extractive capitalism. Now, more than ever, we need serious journalism and serious solidarity that engages people with the struggle to protect these spaces for generations to come. New episodes weekly.

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