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Welcome Okay, welcome home, y'all. This is episode eighty two of Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. There's Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. What's happening, everybody? What's going on? What are we talking about today?

Welcome Okay, welcome home, y'all. This is episode eighty two of Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. There's Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. What's happening, everybody? What's going on? What are we talking about today?

So much?

So much?

I don't know what that.

I don't know what that.

Not making a comment? It was like you heard I was.

Not making a comment? It was like you heard I was.

I was looking at the script.

I was looking at the script.

What are you saying?

What are you saying?

I don't know.

I don't know.

It was like you like we made it through?

It was like you like we made it through?

Yeah, well we were like.

Yeah, well we were like.

He was waiting, like if people on the lease ready to say something. We are talking about a lot of talking about though.

He was waiting, like if people on the lease ready to say something. We are talking about a lot of talking about though.

Yes, we're talking about a lot of good stuff.

Yes, we're talking about a lot of good stuff.

And if you like what we're talking about, please be sure to tell you people to tune in, share this podcast with a friend because you don't want to miss this. We have on today the Mario Solomon Simmons. Yeah, from firm, the Mario Simon Simmons, who went to law school with you, Angela. I believe. So you guys have known each other for a long time.

And if you like what we're talking about, please be sure to tell you people to tune in, share this podcast with a friend because you don't want to miss this. We have on today the Mario Solomon Simmons. Yeah, from firm, the Mario Simon Simmons, who went to law school with you, Angela. I believe. So you guys have known each other for a long time.

Yes, not exactly National Black Glaston's Association.

Yes, not exactly National Black Glaston's Association.

Forgive me, that's where you guys met, but back when you were in law school. And he is a Tulsa descendant himself of the Tulsa Mascer, but he's also the attorney for the survivors of the Tulsa Masker. So yes, there are survivors. Two survivors who are I think one hundred eleven and one hundred and twelve. He'll tell us when he gets on. So I'm really excited to talk about that.

Forgive me, that's where you guys met, but back when you were in law school. And he is a Tulsa descendant himself of the Tulsa Mascer, but he's also the attorney for the survivors of the Tulsa Masker. So yes, there are survivors. Two survivors who are I think one hundred eleven and one hundred and twelve. He'll tell us when he gets on. So I'm really excited to talk about that.

I want to shout out because and I'll bring this up when de Mario's on. But when the Mario was in law school on then the boss of board, he was our reparations chair at that time. Working with yeah, working with Professor Charles Ogletree. Yeah, for sure, we're working with Professor Charles Ogletree. This has been a life passion of his and reparations on every side. Right, we know that there's our reparations that our communities owe from mass incarceration to things that cities municipalities did to us, redlining, and of course mass there's just like the one in Tulsa, and then on that Andrew. We know these things, of course, enflament.

I want to shout out because and I'll bring this up when de Mario's on. But when the Mario was in law school on then the boss of board, he was our reparations chair at that time. Working with yeah, working with Professor Charles Ogletree. Yeah, for sure, we're working with Professor Charles Ogletree. This has been a life passion of his and reparations on every side. Right, we know that there's our reparations that our communities owe from mass incarceration to things that cities municipalities did to us, redlining, and of course mass there's just like the one in Tulsa, and then on that Andrew. We know these things, of course, enflament.

Yes, yeah, of course they do. They cost money, which is why we want you to tune into our mini pot on Friday, because we're gonna be having a conversation about the implications of this disastrous quote unquote big beautiful mess that Trump and the Republicans in Washington want to push down our throats. We want to talk about who's impacted, what are the stories we're not hearing on the news, and why it ought to matter to all of us, whether we are working class, we're working poor, middle class, upper middle or if you're in the top one percent. You're listening their implications to.

Yes, yeah, of course they do. They cost money, which is why we want you to tune into our mini pot on Friday, because we're gonna be having a conversation about the implications of this disastrous quote unquote big beautiful mess that Trump and the Republicans in Washington want to push down our throats. We want to talk about who's impacted, what are the stories we're not hearing on the news, and why it ought to matter to all of us, whether we are working class, we're working poor, middle class, upper middle or if you're in the top one percent. You're listening their implications to.

Everybody, and that's just it. So one thing that you know, we all love is when we get to hear from our community. Tiffy in those comments, child, I love us for doing it. She gives us the comments update. But we also love when y'all send in videos all over the country, even doing the State of the People power to it, and we have heard over and over again how much y'all love the show. I almost thought I was gonna lose my life in Jackson because Tip's flight got canceled. The people were hot. Andrew. You ran out of there and they were like, no, where is Andrew.

Everybody, and that's just it. So one thing that you know, we all love is when we get to hear from our community. Tiffy in those comments, child, I love us for doing it. She gives us the comments update. But we also love when y'all send in videos all over the country, even doing the State of the People power to it, and we have heard over and over again how much y'all love the show. I almost thought I was gonna lose my life in Jackson because Tip's flight got canceled. The people were hot. Andrew. You ran out of there and they were like, no, where is Andrew.

Listen, this one sister met me in the airport. She gave me to the airport. She was gonna have to fly out later, but she knew I was going at me. Yeah, she left to go.

Listen, this one sister met me in the airport. She gave me to the airport. She was gonna have to fly out later, but she knew I was going at me. Yeah, she left to go.

So what I want to tell y'all one, from the bottom of our hearts, thank you so much for loving on us. And every time we say welcome home, you guys welcome us home three hundred times over. We are so so grateful. And because we're grateful, we're gonna make sure that we do what Tiffany always tells us to do, and that is to get in these listener comments. So let's start with the first one.

So what I want to tell y'all one, from the bottom of our hearts, thank you so much for loving on us. And every time we say welcome home, you guys welcome us home three hundred times over. We are so so grateful. And because we're grateful, we're gonna make sure that we do what Tiffany always tells us to do, and that is to get in these listener comments. So let's start with the first one.

Hey n check it out. So you talk about democracy, and for one, the quote should be placed on the people, the American people, who aren't fault for the situation that we're in because between ninety million people did not even take it upon themselves to go to the ballot.

Hey n check it out. So you talk about democracy, and for one, the quote should be placed on the people, the American people, who aren't fault for the situation that we're in because between ninety million people did not even take it upon themselves to go to the ballot.

Box last year.

Box last year.

On top of that, you had another seventy five million vote for an authoritarian So if you want to put the blame on the media, you want to put the blame on the legislature at Allso no, you've put the blame on the people. The people get the the government they deserve.

On top of that, you had another seventy five million vote for an authoritarian So if you want to put the blame on the media, you want to put the blame on the legislature at Allso no, you've put the blame on the people. The people get the the government they deserve.

If you don't vote and you vote the wrong way.

If you don't vote and you vote the wrong way.

You get what you deserve.

You get what you deserve.

So you guys need to put more responsibility on the voters. And I know that Angela's doing her tour and try to get people involved in all something. That's what you have to do. But you got to be honest the people of the hobble. There's too many people sitting around saying, oh, this doesn't work. It works if you vote the write people in office, it works. And whatever dream you guys are concocting about some other form, it's come on, stop being ridiculous. It's democracy. But it's democracy that people are part of.

So you guys need to put more responsibility on the voters. And I know that Angela's doing her tour and try to get people involved in all something. That's what you have to do. But you got to be honest the people of the hobble. There's too many people sitting around saying, oh, this doesn't work. It works if you vote the write people in office, it works. And whatever dream you guys are concocting about some other form, it's come on, stop being ridiculous. It's democracy. But it's democracy that people are part of.

Okay, friend, just start out. I appreciate you sitting in the video. Did you say video the video? Friend, But let me just say this. First of all, you had you real comfortable. I am so glad you are welcome. All you were so comfortable you walked down the street with Autumn Damn's horn hunting us so we could even hear part of the question. But I did hear the very stern rebuke, and I would invite you in to the same process that we have gone down, which is to listen. We have really taken this sea, and I think all of us really really have in different ways. We're listening to different groups, having different kinds of conversations, but we are all I think listening now in ways that we didn't before the election, with more curiosity, wonder maybe bewilderment.

Okay, friend, just start out. I appreciate you sitting in the video. Did you say video the video? Friend, But let me just say this. First of all, you had you real comfortable. I am so glad you are welcome. All you were so comfortable you walked down the street with Autumn Damn's horn hunting us so we could even hear part of the question. But I did hear the very stern rebuke, and I would invite you in to the same process that we have gone down, which is to listen. We have really taken this sea, and I think all of us really really have in different ways. We're listening to different groups, having different kinds of conversations, but we are all I think listening now in ways that we didn't before the election, with more curiosity, wonder maybe bewilderment.

Yeah, literally too right.

Yeah, literally too right.

And so.

And so.

I just don't know.

I just don't know.

That ninety million people decide to sit out something where they feel empowered. I just don't know that that's true. I don't know that people who have taken on the approach, even though this isn't necessarily mine all the time the lesser of two evils, and they make a calculated decision. We talk a lot about on this podcast of us having to regularly, us having to regularly tap into a harm reduction strategy rather than like the abundant choice of what we know will represent our best interests even when we do the work of issuing demands or having an agenda. And so I just would challenge us on like telling people that this is what they deserve, you know, when they never gotten what we really deserve, like we ain't even ask to be here, you know, like this is where we are now. We're making the best of things and our people have been making. I shouldn't even say the best thing. We're making the good of things or the all right of things, just to get by. And so I just I appreciate the perspective. It definitely is not mine. But I'm gonna yield to my co host. Well, so I don't lecture back.

That ninety million people decide to sit out something where they feel empowered. I just don't know that that's true. I don't know that people who have taken on the approach, even though this isn't necessarily mine all the time the lesser of two evils, and they make a calculated decision. We talk a lot about on this podcast of us having to regularly, us having to regularly tap into a harm reduction strategy rather than like the abundant choice of what we know will represent our best interests even when we do the work of issuing demands or having an agenda. And so I just would challenge us on like telling people that this is what they deserve, you know, when they never gotten what we really deserve, like we ain't even ask to be here, you know, like this is where we are now. We're making the best of things and our people have been making. I shouldn't even say the best thing. We're making the good of things or the all right of things, just to get by. And so I just I appreciate the perspective. It definitely is not mine. But I'm gonna yield to my co host. Well, so I don't lecture back.

I I hear him and I this ninety million figure. I wonder like where that comes from. Maybe ninety million people didn't vote. You know that that's probably with you. That sounds about accurate. I can give you the exact figures, but they're percentages. In twenty twenty four, in the presidential election, seventy three, just over seventy three percent of the voting age population registered to vote. Just over sixty five percent actually voted. So when we say ninety million, which could be accurate, that's not too far off from where we always are. So you have to be like, I know that might sound like a stark number, but in twenty twenty, sixty seven percent of eligible voters cast ballots. That was a sizeable number. Particularly given that it was COVID in the twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty two elections. These are midterm years. These were some of the biggest election numbers. We saw about a third of registered voters did not vote.

I I hear him and I this ninety million figure. I wonder like where that comes from. Maybe ninety million people didn't vote. You know that that's probably with you. That sounds about accurate. I can give you the exact figures, but they're percentages. In twenty twenty four, in the presidential election, seventy three, just over seventy three percent of the voting age population registered to vote. Just over sixty five percent actually voted. So when we say ninety million, which could be accurate, that's not too far off from where we always are. So you have to be like, I know that might sound like a stark number, but in twenty twenty, sixty seven percent of eligible voters cast ballots. That was a sizeable number. Particularly given that it was COVID in the twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty two elections. These are midterm years. These were some of the biggest election numbers. We saw about a third of registered voters did not vote.

So that ninety million number wouldn't seem so start.

So that ninety million number wouldn't seem so start.

We've had way more people set out elections.

We've had way more people set out elections.

In twenty sixteen, one hundred million people did not vote.

In twenty sixteen, one hundred million people did not vote.

This is a big year when you had no more Obama on the ballot, but you had Hillary Clinton. And let me just say, I'm getting this information from the Census Census dot gov, and you know, I cross referenced them with Pew and Brookings and just make sure that the numbers align. So twenty sixteen, one hundred million people did not vote. In twenty twelve, you had turnout declined from one hundred and thirty one million voters in two thousand and eight to one hundred and twenty six million voters and twenty twelve, ninety three million people did not vote in twenty twelve. Here's where it gets interesting. In two thousand and eight, when you had Obama on the ballot, black voters, as we always do, consistently across the board showed up in impressive numbers. We over indexed at the ballot box. However, in two thousand and eight, you had the fewest number of white voters. The white voters did not participate. In twenty twenty four, you had the most number of white vot voters participate. If every single black person voted, we would not be able to outvote white America. So I got a real challenge with suggesting that the black people who voted, who didn't vote, who didn't even have an option to vote, deserve what we've gotten. And I want to just honor you, brother, for one taking the time. You're clearly busy because you had to record it, like Angela said, walking down the streets. So just for taking the time to tune into us and taking the time to express your opinion because a lot of people feel like you. I hear that from a lot of people, and so I honored that.

This is a big year when you had no more Obama on the ballot, but you had Hillary Clinton. And let me just say, I'm getting this information from the Census Census dot gov, and you know, I cross referenced them with Pew and Brookings and just make sure that the numbers align. So twenty sixteen, one hundred million people did not vote. In twenty twelve, you had turnout declined from one hundred and thirty one million voters in two thousand and eight to one hundred and twenty six million voters and twenty twelve, ninety three million people did not vote in twenty twelve. Here's where it gets interesting. In two thousand and eight, when you had Obama on the ballot, black voters, as we always do, consistently across the board showed up in impressive numbers. We over indexed at the ballot box. However, in two thousand and eight, you had the fewest number of white voters. The white voters did not participate. In twenty twenty four, you had the most number of white vot voters participate. If every single black person voted, we would not be able to outvote white America. So I got a real challenge with suggesting that the black people who voted, who didn't vote, who didn't even have an option to vote, deserve what we've gotten. And I want to just honor you, brother, for one taking the time. You're clearly busy because you had to record it, like Angela said, walking down the streets. So just for taking the time to tune into us and taking the time to express your opinion because a lot of people feel like you. I hear that from a lot of people, and so I honored that.

I really do.

I really do.

But I think once we dig into the data and just look at this landscape, it's hard to outdo white folks. They remain undefeated. And I think that is and when I say white folks, it is the idea of whiteness. The idea of this ruling class, and so I you know, Angeline talked about us being in a space of curiosity, and the one thing that I can walk away with even outside of what's happened here in America, I just this week alone, lately, but definitely this week, I just haven't been feeling so smart, you know, I haven't felt so informed. I have felt like you could take all that I know and fit it in a thimble. I am just consumed by all the things I don't know. And I'm not talking about like exploring why not, Like yeah, I know about what happens here in America, Like I know about that, but I mean just the exploration of ideas and ideology and history and societies and you know, how this how we came to function in this world. And the more I read about things that happen, you know, twenty five thousand years ago, it gives insight into where things might be going. And I just I hope I invite everybody, we as a collective, invite everybody into that space of curiosity, because even that perspective of we got to blame the people, I get that that's a righteous anger because you are probably impacted and you're looking at somebody else like you didn't vote, and because of you, this is what happened. I just want to keep in mind who the enemy of all this is, who invited this? They're literally is and this is my challenge, and I'm my co host. I looked at them every week to give me some hope. You know, like we try, we out here try and just like yo, But when I look to what's happening, I don't know how we outdo whiteness, especially when a lot of y'all are saying f everybody else and we just going in alone, just with the black people.

But I think once we dig into the data and just look at this landscape, it's hard to outdo white folks. They remain undefeated. And I think that is and when I say white folks, it is the idea of whiteness. The idea of this ruling class, and so I you know, Angeline talked about us being in a space of curiosity, and the one thing that I can walk away with even outside of what's happened here in America, I just this week alone, lately, but definitely this week, I just haven't been feeling so smart, you know, I haven't felt so informed. I have felt like you could take all that I know and fit it in a thimble. I am just consumed by all the things I don't know. And I'm not talking about like exploring why not, Like yeah, I know about what happens here in America, Like I know about that, but I mean just the exploration of ideas and ideology and history and societies and you know, how this how we came to function in this world. And the more I read about things that happen, you know, twenty five thousand years ago, it gives insight into where things might be going. And I just I hope I invite everybody, we as a collective, invite everybody into that space of curiosity, because even that perspective of we got to blame the people, I get that that's a righteous anger because you are probably impacted and you're looking at somebody else like you didn't vote, and because of you, this is what happened. I just want to keep in mind who the enemy of all this is, who invited this? They're literally is and this is my challenge, and I'm my co host. I looked at them every week to give me some hope. You know, like we try, we out here try and just like yo, But when I look to what's happening, I don't know how we outdo whiteness, especially when a lot of y'all are saying f everybody else and we just going in alone, just with the black people.

Okay, I'm andrewing you right now because you are go for it. Yes, I just and I don't even want to cut you off long, just yes to this, because I don't understand how we think our math mass Like you don't have the luxury of sitting things out. You don't have the luxury of saying, forget everybody else. It's us on our own. Us on our own is a strong twelve percent booth, maybe thirteen on a good day if you count some of the migrants.

Okay, I'm andrewing you right now because you are go for it. Yes, I just and I don't even want to cut you off long, just yes to this, because I don't understand how we think our math mass Like you don't have the luxury of sitting things out. You don't have the luxury of saying, forget everybody else. It's us on our own. Us on our own is a strong twelve percent booth, maybe thirteen on a good day if you count some of the migrants.

So that's the thing that is maddening to me.

So that's the thing that is maddening to me.

I will say tif that this curiosity point is so important. We've been doing a lot of rebuken, a lot of telling people what they ain't doing, and it doesn't make sense. And I think the bigger point to me from the earlier part of what you were saying is ninety million people. When is it one hundred and seventy or one hundred and fifty million I voted this year? I mean, sorry, twenty twenty four.

I will say tif that this curiosity point is so important. We've been doing a lot of rebuken, a lot of telling people what they ain't doing, and it doesn't make sense. And I think the bigger point to me from the earlier part of what you were saying is ninety million people. When is it one hundred and seventy or one hundred and fifty million I voted this year? I mean, sorry, twenty twenty four.

This year, one hundred and seventy four million people were one hundred seventy four. One hundred and fifty four million people voted.

This year, one hundred and seventy four million people were one hundred seventy four. One hundred and fifty four million people voted.

One p fifty four. It says too many numbers. I can't keep up, but one hundred and fifty four million people voted. Ninety million is too high. Ninety four million in twenty sixteen is too high. In a lot of places where there's compulsory voting, the turnout is much higher. We don't have that. We have the choice and the freedom to do so. It bothers me. I don't care what election year it is. It bothers me that that many people sit out, and I want to know what has to change for them to get in the game. Just on that piece, And I'm not saying that should be the fullness of their political experience or their involvement. But that's the piece, right, I'm just like, what is making you sit out for something that's so important? And I think for a lot of people, and this is part of what I've learned that's hard. It's a cold truth. For a lot of people, this is nowhere near the most important thing they're dealing with when they're making decisions about whether or not they're going to sit with the at the bedside of a family member that's dying, if they're you know, making a decision about whether they're going to go vote or bail their child out of jail, whether or not they can pay the light bill, if they make if they take their car down to the precinct to vote, will they be able to get to work? So it's like, that's the thing that is the part of democracy that ain't right.

One p fifty four. It says too many numbers. I can't keep up, but one hundred and fifty four million people voted. Ninety million is too high. Ninety four million in twenty sixteen is too high. In a lot of places where there's compulsory voting, the turnout is much higher. We don't have that. We have the choice and the freedom to do so. It bothers me. I don't care what election year it is. It bothers me that that many people sit out, and I want to know what has to change for them to get in the game. Just on that piece, And I'm not saying that should be the fullness of their political experience or their involvement. But that's the piece, right, I'm just like, what is making you sit out for something that's so important? And I think for a lot of people, and this is part of what I've learned that's hard. It's a cold truth. For a lot of people, this is nowhere near the most important thing they're dealing with when they're making decisions about whether or not they're going to sit with the at the bedside of a family member that's dying, if they're you know, making a decision about whether they're going to go vote or bail their child out of jail, whether or not they can pay the light bill, if they make if they take their car down to the precinct to vote, will they be able to get to work? So it's like, that's the thing that is the part of democracy that ain't right.

It's not on that.

It's not on that.

I think it's a capitalism, a belief like do I believe in this enough to participate? Andrew, I'm sure you have your own thoughts, but I just want to kick off with a question because we've never had that many people, like even when after the Voting Rights Act passed, like we were still numbers were still on par with two thousand and eight, and we haven't disaggregated these numbers by race, but even in nineteen sixty five, like the amount of people who participated in the election, and it wasn't every single black person, you know, so we've never seen that level of participation. I don't want to give this number because I didn't have a chance to look into it. But in India, I think there was billions of people. They have a greater voting participation.

I think it's a capitalism, a belief like do I believe in this enough to participate? Andrew, I'm sure you have your own thoughts, but I just want to kick off with a question because we've never had that many people, like even when after the Voting Rights Act passed, like we were still numbers were still on par with two thousand and eight, and we haven't disaggregated these numbers by race, but even in nineteen sixty five, like the amount of people who participated in the election, and it wasn't every single black person, you know, so we've never seen that level of participation. I don't want to give this number because I didn't have a chance to look into it. But in India, I think there was billions of people. They have a greater voting participation.

They to the original democracy that So this is what I'm saying.

They to the original democracy that So this is what I'm saying.

The more I read and understand things, I just feel so ignorant to so much. And I feel like in two thousand and eight, I don't know how y'all feel, but from two thousand and eight to twenty sixteen, I was living in a fantasy world. I was not anticipating what was going to come. I was too busy enjoying the moment, even though there were the hardships and challenges and all that.

The more I read and understand things, I just feel so ignorant to so much. And I feel like in two thousand and eight, I don't know how y'all feel, but from two thousand and eight to twenty sixteen, I was living in a fantasy world. I was not anticipating what was going to come. I was too busy enjoying the moment, even though there were the hardships and challenges and all that.

I just relished in this idea.

I just relished in this idea.

That this was going to We had broken the status quo right that President Obama was now our floor and we still had a ceiling to get to. I was not anticipating that white folks were big mad, they were organizing, they you know, they were playing the long game.

That this was going to We had broken the status quo right that President Obama was now our floor and we still had a ceiling to get to. I was not anticipating that white folks were big mad, they were organizing, they you know, they were playing the long game.

So I don't know.

So I don't know.

I'm just curious your thoughts on all.

I'm just curious your thoughts on all.

Well, first on the way you ended, which is at least how I hear you when you say white folks. And you may mean something and say something very differently, but I believe you to me, I hear it. And I think the majority of white people in this country, how they decide and how powerful the impact of that decision is on all of the rest of us. And put it more simply, white women, by majorities voted for Donald Trump. White men by significant majorities voted for Donald Trump. Together, they constitute a ruling majority. And it sucks they have to use the term ruling because they the ruling is more associated with aristocracies. But when you have shifts like we've seen in our democratic process to more of an autocracy, a klepto class or people get power just to take money from out of the system and oligarchy, and to define that, it simply means the wealthiest people aren't just the richest people in the world, but they're now the richest people in the world who also get to decide what government's actions are going to be and what government's actions are not going to be. So it's a marriage of not just the wealthiest people, but now the wealthiest people also quite literally have all the power. There's power by virtue of money, and now you've got power by virtue of the lovers of government operating in your interests exclusively. And that's where we're moving toward. Trump even admits he has the wealthiest your more billionaires in his cabinet than have ever served the country. He thinks that is a good thing. I think that's a horrible thing, because that that that no way resembles to people who are being governed, not real quickly to the to the gentleman's point, I to appreciate it, because I have to say one of my criticism of the Democratic Party, and I would even now extend that I guess to us by way of I think how we see a lot of issues and how it gets up under us, and for good reason is that I think we talk a lot about those who are at the margins of our society, the poorest, the ones who cannot, you know, get easy access to healthcare and childcare and all of those things. Not a lot of talk about what that squeeze is in the middle, and not a lot of talk about what that squeeze is for those who were in the upper middle. And then we spend a lot of time at the top end of that spectrum, on the wealthiest one one percent as well. And I think what is true today as it has really been in the for the last century in this country, and that is is whether you are in the working poor or whether you're in that middle, A paycheck or two can easily throw you between from one to the other. And I really mean, especially in that middle group of folks who feel comfortable, live very comfortably. But God knows, you don't take my income away for two months, don't take my income away, you know, substantially for the next three months. Most of us don't have three months of total expenses saved up in a bank account.

Well, first on the way you ended, which is at least how I hear you when you say white folks. And you may mean something and say something very differently, but I believe you to me, I hear it. And I think the majority of white people in this country, how they decide and how powerful the impact of that decision is on all of the rest of us. And put it more simply, white women, by majorities voted for Donald Trump. White men by significant majorities voted for Donald Trump. Together, they constitute a ruling majority. And it sucks they have to use the term ruling because they the ruling is more associated with aristocracies. But when you have shifts like we've seen in our democratic process to more of an autocracy, a klepto class or people get power just to take money from out of the system and oligarchy, and to define that, it simply means the wealthiest people aren't just the richest people in the world, but they're now the richest people in the world who also get to decide what government's actions are going to be and what government's actions are not going to be. So it's a marriage of not just the wealthiest people, but now the wealthiest people also quite literally have all the power. There's power by virtue of money, and now you've got power by virtue of the lovers of government operating in your interests exclusively. And that's where we're moving toward. Trump even admits he has the wealthiest your more billionaires in his cabinet than have ever served the country. He thinks that is a good thing. I think that's a horrible thing, because that that that no way resembles to people who are being governed, not real quickly to the to the gentleman's point, I to appreciate it, because I have to say one of my criticism of the Democratic Party, and I would even now extend that I guess to us by way of I think how we see a lot of issues and how it gets up under us, and for good reason is that I think we talk a lot about those who are at the margins of our society, the poorest, the ones who cannot, you know, get easy access to healthcare and childcare and all of those things. Not a lot of talk about what that squeeze is in the middle, and not a lot of talk about what that squeeze is for those who were in the upper middle. And then we spend a lot of time at the top end of that spectrum, on the wealthiest one one percent as well. And I think what is true today as it has really been in the for the last century in this country, and that is is whether you are in the working poor or whether you're in that middle, A paycheck or two can easily throw you between from one to the other. And I really mean, especially in that middle group of folks who feel comfortable, live very comfortably. But God knows, you don't take my income away for two months, don't take my income away, you know, substantially for the next three months. Most of us don't have three months of total expenses saved up in a bank account.

So this.

So this.

Class status or as you will, is not so comfortable for a lot of us. And that's why I think it is important to pay attention to what's happening at various ends of this spectrum and to relate that to voting is I think we oftentimes talk about the folks who have maybe economic barriers standing in their way from accessing the ballot box. But I know people who I went to college with, who have more advanced degrees than I do, who live very comfortably in their lives, who also make the decision not to participate in the process, and it is clear that they've prioritized something else above the impact that their vote is going to have on their lived condition. And I think the same is true for those at the bottom end of the spectrum. And I'm talking economically that when you've done a thing so many times, or you've seen a thing done so many times, yet your material conditions, when I say material, meaning the things you can feel, touch, eat, never change. Well, y'all, that's the classic definition of insanity. To keep doing the thing nothing changes, but you keep doing it anyway. Now, I want to argue with myself simply to say and I'll quit here is to say I don't buy the height that nothing changes. I just think change is a very tenuous circumstance. For instance, four months ago, we all thought we lived in a democracy. Courts mattered, court's decisions mattered. You didn't flout that.

Class status or as you will, is not so comfortable for a lot of us. And that's why I think it is important to pay attention to what's happening at various ends of this spectrum and to relate that to voting is I think we oftentimes talk about the folks who have maybe economic barriers standing in their way from accessing the ballot box. But I know people who I went to college with, who have more advanced degrees than I do, who live very comfortably in their lives, who also make the decision not to participate in the process, and it is clear that they've prioritized something else above the impact that their vote is going to have on their lived condition. And I think the same is true for those at the bottom end of the spectrum. And I'm talking economically that when you've done a thing so many times, or you've seen a thing done so many times, yet your material conditions, when I say material, meaning the things you can feel, touch, eat, never change. Well, y'all, that's the classic definition of insanity. To keep doing the thing nothing changes, but you keep doing it anyway. Now, I want to argue with myself simply to say and I'll quit here is to say I don't buy the height that nothing changes. I just think change is a very tenuous circumstance. For instance, four months ago, we all thought we lived in a democracy. Courts mattered, court's decisions mattered. You didn't flout that.

We never thought that a president could just completely disregard the monuments called the monument's cause where he is taking a firth clock monuments, taking money taking place for his I set up the moment I've.

We never thought that a president could just completely disregard the monuments called the monument's cause where he is taking a firth clock monuments, taking money taking place for his I set up the moment I've.

Given the monument's clause that was my two weeks ago. But the monuments, But but essentially the law that says that the president policymakers cannot take gifts from folks, from foreign individuals or domestic and keep them into themselves. That's a profit to themselves for their position. Right, the president cannot accept a four and ad million dollar plane, a mansion in the sky and then give it to the government right now and then ultimately give it to his presidential library, but then take full use of it when he's out of office to enrich himself.

Given the monument's clause that was my two weeks ago. But the monuments, But but essentially the law that says that the president policymakers cannot take gifts from folks, from foreign individuals or domestic and keep them into themselves. That's a profit to themselves for their position. Right, the president cannot accept a four and ad million dollar plane, a mansion in the sky and then give it to the government right now and then ultimately give it to his presidential library, but then take full use of it when he's out of office to enrich himself.

Right.

Right.

And there are other gamuts that are that are that that that these folks are are participating in that don't make sense. So from that standpoint, I understand that I think we have to broaden who we see as being disenfranchised from the process. Those who self opt into it because they've they've prioritized something over it, or those who by their very conditions and materially not changing and therefore they're not believing and acting in support of a system that isn't in service to them. And I get both sides, but I do think we have to give more thought, more conversation to the fact that there are people who are well healed in our society by comparison, still making the choice not to participate in this process. And the last thing I'm going to say here is that no way, ever, ever, ever have the majority of people, I mean of everyone in this country ever participated in the democratic process. There's never been a movement in this country where everyone who's impacted by it has participated in that process. In fact, the opposite is mostly true. And consider that this democracy that we have today, what's left of it, was never ever designed for the engagement of the majority. The ruling class don't believe in majority rule. They believe that the majority can lead to chaos, can lead to protests and the destruction of the rule in class, which is why the first people who could vote were basically white men who owned property, not all white men. Y'all keep it with us on the other side of his break, We're gonna continue the conversation.

And there are other gamuts that are that are that that that these folks are are participating in that don't make sense. So from that standpoint, I understand that I think we have to broaden who we see as being disenfranchised from the process. Those who self opt into it because they've they've prioritized something over it, or those who by their very conditions and materially not changing and therefore they're not believing and acting in support of a system that isn't in service to them. And I get both sides, but I do think we have to give more thought, more conversation to the fact that there are people who are well healed in our society by comparison, still making the choice not to participate in this process. And the last thing I'm going to say here is that no way, ever, ever, ever have the majority of people, I mean of everyone in this country ever participated in the democratic process. There's never been a movement in this country where everyone who's impacted by it has participated in that process. In fact, the opposite is mostly true. And consider that this democracy that we have today, what's left of it, was never ever designed for the engagement of the majority. The ruling class don't believe in majority rule. They believe that the majority can lead to chaos, can lead to protests and the destruction of the rule in class, which is why the first people who could vote were basically white men who owned property, not all white men. Y'all keep it with us on the other side of his break, We're gonna continue the conversation.

I don't know that.

I don't know that.

We've I agree with everything he said, Andrew, save for the part about democracy. I don't know that I've ever really believed this was a democracy. You know, when I have my show this well, I can't remember this bitch name because she offended me. And I mean to say, yes, sure, I'm gonna tell you why she I think I want to say maybe she wrote for The Atlantic. I don't remember, but I had her. I was feeling in for Joy. I didn't have my show yet. I was feeling in for Joy on her weekend show when she was moving a primetime I had this woman on and I was making the point that we are a young demidocracy, yes, and she was really nasty about it and was kind of like talking to me like I'm an idiot, you know, And she's like, we're not a young democracy, We're the oldest democracy.

We've I agree with everything he said, Andrew, save for the part about democracy. I don't know that I've ever really believed this was a democracy. You know, when I have my show this well, I can't remember this bitch name because she offended me. And I mean to say, yes, sure, I'm gonna tell you why she I think I want to say maybe she wrote for The Atlantic. I don't remember, but I had her. I was feeling in for Joy. I didn't have my show yet. I was feeling in for Joy on her weekend show when she was moving a primetime I had this woman on and I was making the point that we are a young demidocracy, yes, and she was really nasty about it and was kind of like talking to me like I'm an idiot, you know, And she's like, we're not a young democracy, We're the oldest democracy.

And we had to go my producer in my ear, like we got to go to a break, like we got a ramp.

And we had to go my producer in my ear, like we got to go to a break, like we got a ramp.

And there are so many people who actually believe America is one of the oldest democracies. And I would ask, well, what do you consider a democracy? You consider it that because you were able to participate in it. But this was a white woman, so I'm like, it's you weren't even in a democracy that you weren't even denying participation in this democracy. But you're so busy trying to be nasty to me to tell me that it was a young democracy. But if you google American oldest democracy, you will see papers, articles, think pieces on how America is one of the oldest democracy.

And there are so many people who actually believe America is one of the oldest democracies. And I would ask, well, what do you consider a democracy? You consider it that because you were able to participate in it. But this was a white woman, so I'm like, it's you weren't even in a democracy that you weren't even denying participation in this democracy. But you're so busy trying to be nasty to me to tell me that it was a young democracy. But if you google American oldest democracy, you will see papers, articles, think pieces on how America is one of the oldest democracy.

The devil is a lie. It ain't no oldest democrac It's.

The devil is a lie. It ain't no oldest democrac It's.

Never been, not in the truth form that you're talking about. I think, yeah, people can factually say that we're one of the longest running. There have been societies that have changed forms of government and gone back and forth between this form and that form. But be clear that India is the world's oldest democracy, and quite frankly, in the life of society and in the life of Homo sapiens. The United States as an idea is extremely young. In fact, we have institutions colleges, Harvard being one of them, that pre existed the existence of the United States. And I don't mean the land, I mean the formation of this as a country. So we are relatively you know, we are relatively young, however, pretty enduring given the life of that the country has had. But I think the most important thing about that, Tiffany. You are bringing it up, and I think the point you wanted to make, which is in its fullest form, when we think about democracy and democratic participation, this country still falls woefully short of its ideals. And that's why we have to stay in the game, put our shoulders to the wheel, stiff in our spine. It's because it's then our job to you to move this thing closer to its ideals.

Never been, not in the truth form that you're talking about. I think, yeah, people can factually say that we're one of the longest running. There have been societies that have changed forms of government and gone back and forth between this form and that form. But be clear that India is the world's oldest democracy, and quite frankly, in the life of society and in the life of Homo sapiens. The United States as an idea is extremely young. In fact, we have institutions colleges, Harvard being one of them, that pre existed the existence of the United States. And I don't mean the land, I mean the formation of this as a country. So we are relatively you know, we are relatively young, however, pretty enduring given the life of that the country has had. But I think the most important thing about that, Tiffany. You are bringing it up, and I think the point you wanted to make, which is in its fullest form, when we think about democracy and democratic participation, this country still falls woefully short of its ideals. And that's why we have to stay in the game, put our shoulders to the wheel, stiff in our spine. It's because it's then our job to you to move this thing closer to its ideals.

That's the part though that's hard for me too, because it's like, how did and we can't probably can't solve to say, this is another mini pod, but how did we get roped into helping you fulfill some ideals that you didn't even think enough of us to include? How did we get roped into helping you fulfill ideals when you owe us every damn thing? Like I'm gonna tell y'all, I'm gonna just tell y'all something this probably.

That's the part though that's hard for me too, because it's like, how did and we can't probably can't solve to say, this is another mini pod, but how did we get roped into helping you fulfill some ideals that you didn't even think enough of us to include? How did we get roped into helping you fulfill ideals when you owe us every damn thing? Like I'm gonna tell y'all, I'm gonna just tell y'all something this probably.

Don't say said anyway, I think that what has happened on this tour I might have been radicalized.

Don't say said anyway, I think that what has happened on this tour I might have been radicalized.

I am girl, please, you are definition radical, but I.

I am girl, please, you are definition radical, but I.

Think more so now Andrew, because I'm like, I just know in my core we just deserve so much better. Sure, and I am very much so doubting that the people who we need to do better by us have the capacity or interest to do so let me give you an example. Let me just give you an example. I know Tip is like, this is one question. We got one moment, but it's my last quart. I want to hit an example, like I got time today. So listen you guys, and blessed you, and I want to honor my elders. But God damn it. We had a white woman, an elder white woman, come to Louisville. The first day she had us. She was sitting there with her American flag shirt on, button up, and when I got in the room, I was telling them how this was a black focused, Black centered movement to oprahvide relief, opportunity and policy solutions for our people. I ain't had the mic down for fifteen seconds before sister girl pulled me to the side and said, this is not just for black people.

Think more so now Andrew, because I'm like, I just know in my core we just deserve so much better. Sure, and I am very much so doubting that the people who we need to do better by us have the capacity or interest to do so let me give you an example. Let me just give you an example. I know Tip is like, this is one question. We got one moment, but it's my last quart. I want to hit an example, like I got time today. So listen you guys, and blessed you, and I want to honor my elders. But God damn it. We had a white woman, an elder white woman, come to Louisville. The first day she had us. She was sitting there with her American flag shirt on, button up, and when I got in the room, I was telling them how this was a black focused, Black centered movement to oprahvide relief, opportunity and policy solutions for our people. I ain't had the mic down for fifteen seconds before sister girl pulled me to the side and said, this is not just for black people.

I saw you.

I saw you.

How you gonna tell me?

How you gonna tell me?

How are you gonna tell me that this is not just for black it is for black people? How do I know because I'm one of the visionaries, ma'am. I don't even know your name. Alicia Keys, like.

How are you gonna tell me that this is not just for black it is for black people? How do I know because I'm one of the visionaries, ma'am. I don't even know your name. Alicia Keys, like.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

How are you going to tell me that this is not for black people? So I said, ma'am, that's what was going on the inside. Y'all would have been proud. That's not my response. I said, ma'am, this is for black people. I said, we orchestrated it that way. And she said, well, no, because I'm here. And I said, and I'm so glad you're here. And she was like, but you have to go. You have to go get more people like me so that Andrew's face, so that you can be effective. And I said, ma'am, that is not my calling. That's your calling, Susie and Larry and Bethanem. I'm not going to get them.

How are you going to tell me that this is not for black people? So I said, ma'am, that's what was going on the inside. Y'all would have been proud. That's not my response. I said, ma'am, this is for black people. I said, we orchestrated it that way. And she said, well, no, because I'm here. And I said, and I'm so glad you're here. And she was like, but you have to go. You have to go get more people like me so that Andrew's face, so that you can be effective. And I said, ma'am, that is not my calling. That's your calling, Susie and Larry and Bethanem. I'm not going to get them.

That's not what I feel called to do.

That's not what I feel called to do.

And I was so like a f Did I think this weekend? No? I think I was on different levels. No, No, No, I think I was speaking on different levels. She heard this is a black exclusion exclusive space. That's what you said, because that's.

And I was so like a f Did I think this weekend? No? I think I was on different levels. No, No, No, I think I was speaking on different levels. She heard this is a black exclusion exclusive space. That's what you said, because that's.

How they moved.

How they moved.

No, I'm not saying no, no, no, I'm not.

No, I'm not saying no, no, no, I'm not.

I'm not.

I'm not.

I'm talking about the difference and the way it is processed. And first of all, let's just see white people move differently in society because the first thing she could do in this whole event was sent to herself. She can't talk about she done it.

I'm talking about the difference and the way it is processed. And first of all, let's just see white people move differently in society because the first thing she could do in this whole event was sent to herself. She can't talk about she done it.

Wait and I didn't even get to this part because I forgot andrew no good. That's what she did the second day too, to the point where I don't want to call everybody. I'm gonna call hert Holly Holliday, who was moderating this conversation for black it's the Black Women's Leadership Collective Panel. Everybody's listening since came back the next day. Since you know, Holly's asking if there's any questions. The woman again and does the same thing, and Holly was like, now you know you're not on the panel, right right.

Wait and I didn't even get to this part because I forgot andrew no good. That's what she did the second day too, to the point where I don't want to call everybody. I'm gonna call hert Holly Holliday, who was moderating this conversation for black it's the Black Women's Leadership Collective Panel. Everybody's listening since came back the next day. Since you know, Holly's asking if there's any questions. The woman again and does the same thing, and Holly was like, now you know you're not on the panel, right right.

She had to be like, you school, you got a question, but you can't just be up here with no microphone, like what are we doing?

She had to be like, you school, you got a question, but you can't just be up here with no microphone, like what are we doing?

And I think that that is part of the problem. You have an ego centric leadership and political structure.

And I think that that is part of the problem. You have an ego centric leadership and political structure.

You have an egocentric way of existing.

You have an egocentric way of existing.

That even when people have to create space for themselves to be seen and heard, you still find a way to center yourself. Everything about this place has been built for y'all. If y'all don't let me have this moment as Simmons College with black people in Louisville, we.

That even when people have to create space for themselves to be seen and heard, you still find a way to center yourself. Everything about this place has been built for y'all. If y'all don't let me have this moment as Simmons College with black people in Louisville, we.

Gonna have a problem, man, Like, I think that's the part of the challenge, quite frankly, because and this is kind of my point, whiteness remains undefeated. So even you know, that was my point about if every black person voted, whiteness remains undefeated. So then you go to well, because I have an issue with all the people like shitting on the Arab community, the Latino community, Api community, because y'all leap frogging over all these white folks going after people in the country.

Gonna have a problem, man, Like, I think that's the part of the challenge, quite frankly, because and this is kind of my point, whiteness remains undefeated. So even you know, that was my point about if every black person voted, whiteness remains undefeated. So then you go to well, because I have an issue with all the people like shitting on the Arab community, the Latino community, Api community, because y'all leap frogging over all these white folks going after people in the country.

Wasn't kind to them either.

Wasn't kind to them either.

Yes, acknowledging that, there of course is anti black sentiment in communities, But I'm like, if eighty percent of a group voted, but twenty percent is trying to ally, I want to talk to that twenty percent. And so what is not my ministry is to try to appeal to the hearts and minds of this idea of whiteness. It's not my ministry to try to change perspective. It's not my ministry to seek humanity where I have seen none. Throughout history, I've seen no evidence of any such thing. And so I don't know what we do in this space. So many of you guys, thank you for tuning in. I'm really so. I'm very receptive. When people come up to me and you listen to NLP, I'm very receptive. I'm very receptive to conversation, and I really anticipate disagreement. Sadly, I have not had a lot of disagreement. People come up to me and I'm already anticipating the say you know you're wrong about this, and they're like, sifnany you keep talking about you feel hopeless. Then I'm bracing myself. I'm like, yes, give me some hope. You about to tell me how wrong I am feeling hopeless And they're like, girl, me too, Like I feel the same way. And it makes me sad because I'm like, I don't want to be spreading darkness. I don't want to be spreading hopelessness. But I am a bit like if that's who they are, if this woman had the semerity to stand in this space and center herself and say no, no, no, no, this is not just a black space, I don't have anything to say, Like, I don't know that I would even have the you gave her your time. I don't even I would have just said, okay, you know, because how can I convince you you cannot fill a cup that is already full. If that's how you feel, then go about your day. And Angel, I'm gonna tell you. I'm listening to this and I'm like, she wanted a confrontation, she wanted a viral moment.

Yes, acknowledging that, there of course is anti black sentiment in communities, But I'm like, if eighty percent of a group voted, but twenty percent is trying to ally, I want to talk to that twenty percent. And so what is not my ministry is to try to appeal to the hearts and minds of this idea of whiteness. It's not my ministry to try to change perspective. It's not my ministry to seek humanity where I have seen none. Throughout history, I've seen no evidence of any such thing. And so I don't know what we do in this space. So many of you guys, thank you for tuning in. I'm really so. I'm very receptive. When people come up to me and you listen to NLP, I'm very receptive. I'm very receptive to conversation, and I really anticipate disagreement. Sadly, I have not had a lot of disagreement. People come up to me and I'm already anticipating the say you know you're wrong about this, and they're like, sifnany you keep talking about you feel hopeless. Then I'm bracing myself. I'm like, yes, give me some hope. You about to tell me how wrong I am feeling hopeless And they're like, girl, me too, Like I feel the same way. And it makes me sad because I'm like, I don't want to be spreading darkness. I don't want to be spreading hopelessness. But I am a bit like if that's who they are, if this woman had the semerity to stand in this space and center herself and say no, no, no, no, this is not just a black space, I don't have anything to say, Like, I don't know that I would even have the you gave her your time. I don't even I would have just said, okay, you know, because how can I convince you you cannot fill a cup that is already full. If that's how you feel, then go about your day. And Angel, I'm gonna tell you. I'm listening to this and I'm like, she wanted a confrontation, she wanted a viral moment.

Is she an op?

Is she an op?

You know?

You know?

Up here? She might not be right, but she is also an official part of the Louisville Democratic Party structure, which I.

Up here? She might not be right, but she is also an official part of the Louisville Democratic Party structure, which I.

Think that's just it.

Think that's just it.

There's this thing that happens and we all saw it on steroids after George Flood was murdered, right, all of our white friends were calling saying, you know, I just want you to know I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, and I am Malcolm X. You know it happened so many times there are but yet there are some other white folks will be like, I don't know what you're going through. I just want to hold space. I'm good with it. I'm gonna be here. Ashanti, who runs a merge, did a workshop on how to run for office, and there was a white sister who was with her who didn't do none of that who didn't do none of that was just like, I'm happy to be here. What y'all are doing is dope, happy to support. That's the energy, y'all, that's the energy.

There's this thing that happens and we all saw it on steroids after George Flood was murdered, right, all of our white friends were calling saying, you know, I just want you to know I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, and I am Malcolm X. You know it happened so many times there are but yet there are some other white folks will be like, I don't know what you're going through. I just want to hold space. I'm good with it. I'm gonna be here. Ashanti, who runs a merge, did a workshop on how to run for office, and there was a white sister who was with her who didn't do none of that who didn't do none of that was just like, I'm happy to be here. What y'all are doing is dope, happy to support. That's the energy, y'all, that's the energy.

Like if we're not, yeah, I think you're giving a lesson right now, because I actually don't I hear where Tiff is because lord knows, I've been around a number of ops. I can't even count them, right, don't even know them. Yeah, but if I receive it in our most generous spirit, it would be the woman probably wants to be an allyship, Yeah, doesn't really know where to begin and completely has no sense of her space because she decided to take a space that wasn't hers and attempt to bend the whole damn thing right her way and then charge you with the mission of going out to get more of hers. That's all way, every way round wrong. So I would just say, if you are seeking to be an allyship, and you go into a space like this convening, which has no mix ups in its messaging about who it is and what is for that, if you want to be an ally you go and you listen, especially on day one comment number one, welcome number one, the first thing you do is stand up and put your uself in the middle of the conversation, so that then you're the sun and were just going around around. You know that doesn't that doesn't work, And it takes a little bit of self awareness to know that, yes, in every day of your life you move a particular.

Like if we're not, yeah, I think you're giving a lesson right now, because I actually don't I hear where Tiff is because lord knows, I've been around a number of ops. I can't even count them, right, don't even know them. Yeah, but if I receive it in our most generous spirit, it would be the woman probably wants to be an allyship, Yeah, doesn't really know where to begin and completely has no sense of her space because she decided to take a space that wasn't hers and attempt to bend the whole damn thing right her way and then charge you with the mission of going out to get more of hers. That's all way, every way round wrong. So I would just say, if you are seeking to be an allyship, and you go into a space like this convening, which has no mix ups in its messaging about who it is and what is for that, if you want to be an ally you go and you listen, especially on day one comment number one, welcome number one, the first thing you do is stand up and put your uself in the middle of the conversation, so that then you're the sun and were just going around around. You know that doesn't that doesn't work, And it takes a little bit of self awareness to know that, yes, in every day of your life you move a particular.

Way where you got to desire that all you have to know that.

Way where you got to desire that all you have to know that.

You need it. And if you have all your life and a station of privilege, even if you don't think you've been in privilege, yes, but that you have the right to come up and confront me on that. I don't know many black people who go into foreign spaces and the first thing they want to do after the welcome is to tell you all the things you are not and need to be, and how this isn't of service to them. Most of us will sit in curiosity, let this thing go on a little bit, to see what the shape of it is before we do a thing. And we've learned that because in most spaces we aren't welcomed, and when we are, we're little boy patted, little girl patty and not treated like a hue, you know, like a like a like a full person and into a lot of white liberals, my friends, a lot of them. I know, many of them volunteer in my campaign, and I believe they wanted us to win, and they worked like they wanted us to win. But many of them are in complete unawareness of the privilege in which they walk in and then the way that they move. Yeah, and that's because they've never been confronted with a society where that isn't true. And the only time they have it felt it is when they've been at an event with me and realized that they were the only white person.

You need it. And if you have all your life and a station of privilege, even if you don't think you've been in privilege, yes, but that you have the right to come up and confront me on that. I don't know many black people who go into foreign spaces and the first thing they want to do after the welcome is to tell you all the things you are not and need to be, and how this isn't of service to them. Most of us will sit in curiosity, let this thing go on a little bit, to see what the shape of it is before we do a thing. And we've learned that because in most spaces we aren't welcomed, and when we are, we're little boy patted, little girl patty and not treated like a hue, you know, like a like a like a full person and into a lot of white liberals, my friends, a lot of them. I know, many of them volunteer in my campaign, and I believe they wanted us to win, and they worked like they wanted us to win. But many of them are in complete unawareness of the privilege in which they walk in and then the way that they move. Yeah, and that's because they've never been confronted with a society where that isn't true. And the only time they have it felt it is when they've been at an event with me and realized that they were the only white person.

Yeah, it's like a birthmark with this incentive to shrink. It's like a birthmark to us. And as black Americans where you are, you know, don't embarrass me in front of these white folks coming here, act like you got some sense, or you here you become bilingual because you.

Yeah, it's like a birthmark with this incentive to shrink. It's like a birthmark to us. And as black Americans where you are, you know, don't embarrass me in front of these white folks coming here, act like you got some sense, or you here you become bilingual because you.

You know, your mom is like I.

You know, your mom is like I.

Told you to sit your black ass down, or you betty get.

Told you to sit your black ass down, or you betty get.

As in this house.

As in this house.

Yes, every part of our being has been to your point, Andrew about tapping into our imagination, every part of our being has been shaped around them, and so they have no concept. You can let your kids come into a restaurant and jump all over and throw food and ship and act the room.

Yes, every part of our being has been to your point, Andrew about tapping into our imagination, every part of our being has been shaped around them, and so they have no concept. You can let your kids come into a restaurant and jump all over and throw food and ship and act the room.

Freedom.

Freedom.

They have the freedom to be well because I when I see black kids doing that, I get an attitude and.

They have the freedom to be well because I when I see black kids doing that, I get an attitude and.

Then I think, you know, these are black children. Let them have their joy, like, let them live.

Then I think, you know, these are black children. Let them have their joy, like, let them live.

But I immediately think somebody should tell them kids to sit down, you know, at restaurants, if you're next to me, please you.

But I immediately think somebody should tell them kids to sit down, you know, at restaurants, if you're next to me, please you.

Know, but like you guys, kids, you know that's fight dogs tipped on like I do.

Know, but like you guys, kids, you know that's fight dogs tipped on like I do.

The people who know your current.

The people who know your current.

Yes, but I love dogs if it's dogs that I love dogs. I'm a grown woman. So no, I'm definitely not a babyfitter. And you want me to keep your kids, you just find a babysitter, but usually at a party, airlines, noet. Just to clarify, like, I have very close relationships with kids because I always want kids to feel safe. But I'm I think we should allow space for children to experience black joy.

Yes, but I love dogs if it's dogs that I love dogs. I'm a grown woman. So no, I'm definitely not a babyfitter. And you want me to keep your kids, you just find a babysitter, but usually at a party, airlines, noet. Just to clarify, like, I have very close relationships with kids because I always want kids to feel safe. But I'm I think we should allow space for children to experience black joy.

For sure.

For sure.

Yeah, but there's no part of.

Yeah, but there's no part of.

Me that dislikes children. Like I think there's a strange sensation to have.

Me that dislikes children. Like I think there's a strange sensation to have.

But wouldn't I didn't mean like that. I just meant you would rather watch somebody dog get in the baby.

But wouldn't I didn't mean like that. I just meant you would rather watch somebody dog get in the baby.

That's what I believe probably.

That's what I believe probably.

But I wouldn't do either just because the time capacity. But we are we are like into this conversation and we still have another viewer comments.

But I wouldn't do either just because the time capacity. But we are we are like into this conversation and we still have another viewer comments.

I want to make sure your conversation. But I also just wanted to say before we moved on, before we went off, you know, the exit ramp is to simply say, also, black folks have this ability and skill and observation to be an awareness of a space from a higher level of sophistication too. It's it's it is knowing your perceived enemy, or certainly knowing your environment outside of what is your environment, so that you know how to move to get from it what you need, what you want, what is in service to you. And again I think the same is still true that there are a lot of other cultures, a lot of other folks, and principally those who are white in this country who never have to take surveillance, never have to be aware. When you're the highest thing flying, you don't look above, right, could you survey what's beneath? And so in so many ways they are the highest thing flying, and so an observation of the entirety three sixty is not a requirement. And for many of us we got to know the ends, the outs, the exits, the exit we're gonna create if it becomes necessary. There's a different level of situational awareness. But I'm with you. I'd love to hear this next question if we enroll it.

I want to make sure your conversation. But I also just wanted to say before we moved on, before we went off, you know, the exit ramp is to simply say, also, black folks have this ability and skill and observation to be an awareness of a space from a higher level of sophistication too. It's it's it is knowing your perceived enemy, or certainly knowing your environment outside of what is your environment, so that you know how to move to get from it what you need, what you want, what is in service to you. And again I think the same is still true that there are a lot of other cultures, a lot of other folks, and principally those who are white in this country who never have to take surveillance, never have to be aware. When you're the highest thing flying, you don't look above, right, could you survey what's beneath? And so in so many ways they are the highest thing flying, and so an observation of the entirety three sixty is not a requirement. And for many of us we got to know the ends, the outs, the exits, the exit we're gonna create if it becomes necessary. There's a different level of situational awareness. But I'm with you. I'd love to hear this next question if we enroll it.

Hey, native Blamee family. This is Jordan Foster in DC by way of Newport News, Virginia. I wanted to come and respond to the question of how do you reshape the country? I think there are two things that I would want to see. One, I want to see the Democratic primaries start this year. That's within this system. I wanted to see it start this year because I feel like Trump has gutted so much of the system that you're whoever is the next Democratic leader. If we get one, they're gonna have to rebuild everything, and the thing's gonna take three years for us to really like learn their vision. And Then two, I think that in whatever new system we get, I want something where we don't have terms in the sense that if you get thrown out, someone just finishes your term. I want to be able to do a vote of no confidence and we just start over again.