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Well, So set, what's up everybody. This is Andrew Gillham coming to you from a little bit of a change of scenery. I'm so tired of my office and doing these episodes out of the other like going to the living room today. But most importantly, we're continuing our conversation on this series of you know, organizing in the aftermath of Trump two point zero, and I was a little bit concerned about some of the recent writing I've seen on the black community sort of taking arrest break and not yet being willing to be on the front lines of organizing a movement. I reject that outright. I know that not to be true as a as a matter of fact, but we do see a lot of conversation and social media and elsewhere about basically, you know, for black women, Look, we're the ninety eight percent, we're the one ninety percent. We're there, We're tried and true. Now it's something for you all to do, so we know that it exists, it's not coming out of thin air. And today to help me sort of diagnose this to drill a little bit deeper for just a few minutes of our day, because I'm sure you all out there are engaging in this conversation as well. Is a fellow Floridian?

Well, So set, what's up everybody. This is Andrew Gillham coming to you from a little bit of a change of scenery. I'm so tired of my office and doing these episodes out of the other like going to the living room today. But most importantly, we're continuing our conversation on this series of you know, organizing in the aftermath of Trump two point zero, and I was a little bit concerned about some of the recent writing I've seen on the black community sort of taking arrest break and not yet being willing to be on the front lines of organizing a movement. I reject that outright. I know that not to be true as a as a matter of fact, but we do see a lot of conversation and social media and elsewhere about basically, you know, for black women, Look, we're the ninety eight percent, we're the one ninety percent. We're there, We're tried and true. Now it's something for you all to do, so we know that it exists, it's not coming out of thin air. And today to help me sort of diagnose this to drill a little bit deeper for just a few minutes of our day, because I'm sure you all out there are engaging in this conversation as well. Is a fellow Floridian?

Is that right?

Is that right?

You're Jacksonville right.

You're Jacksonville right.

Raise in Jacksonville, Florida.

Raise in Jacksonville, Florida.

Jacksonville native who happens to be striking it hot in Washington, d C. Even and gystopian Washington, d C. Under the Trump administration, you're finding a way to have impact and make change. I would love for you to just give your vita, but do it in a way that I know you know how to, which is by of just conversation introducing what your experiences have been that have led you to this particular political moment and how we're navigating it.

Jacksonville native who happens to be striking it hot in Washington, d C. Even and gystopian Washington, d C. Under the Trump administration, you're finding a way to have impact and make change. I would love for you to just give your vita, but do it in a way that I know you know how to, which is by of just conversation introducing what your experiences have been that have led you to this particular political moment and how we're navigating it.

Yeah. So, hey, y'all, my name is Dianna Burton, as mister Gilliman.

Yeah. So, hey, y'all, my name is Dianna Burton, as mister Gilliman.

And I Andrew Andrew, Oh gosh.

And I Andrew Andrew, Oh gosh.

I'm from the South. You know it's coming. But as he mentioned, I'm from Jacksonville, Florida. I now reside in DC. And prior to me getting in a little bit about myself, I do want to preface I do not have all the answers. I will try my best to engage in this conversation. I worked on a multitude of campaigns and multitude of offices, from the local state to the federal level, and now I'm here in BC where everything's happening, so happy to answer anything.

I'm from the South. You know it's coming. But as he mentioned, I'm from Jacksonville, Florida. I now reside in DC. And prior to me getting in a little bit about myself, I do want to preface I do not have all the answers. I will try my best to engage in this conversation. I worked on a multitude of campaigns and multitude of offices, from the local state to the federal level, and now I'm here in BC where everything's happening, so happy to answer anything.

Well, I'll tell you your involvement in Florida prior to going off to Washington, prior to becoming what we might describe as sort of professional staff on political campaigns, and so on and so forth. Many of our listeners are agitated and frustrated and want to know what they could do right where they are to disrupt what they see happening in the country. And I would argue probably not just at the federal level, but it's trickling down as Trump naseum continues into our local levels, our school boards, our city council meetings, the kind of divides that local government never had to experience. They're now coming fast and furious, and our heads are on a swivel, just trying to protect the little turf that we do have. What advice would you give to folks who are just starting out. They want to make an impact, they just don't know what to do.

Well, I'll tell you your involvement in Florida prior to going off to Washington, prior to becoming what we might describe as sort of professional staff on political campaigns, and so on and so forth. Many of our listeners are agitated and frustrated and want to know what they could do right where they are to disrupt what they see happening in the country. And I would argue probably not just at the federal level, but it's trickling down as Trump naseum continues into our local levels, our school boards, our city council meetings, the kind of divides that local government never had to experience. They're now coming fast and furious, and our heads are on a swivel, just trying to protect the little turf that we do have. What advice would you give to folks who are just starting out. They want to make an impact, they just don't know what to do.

So to answer that question, I'm actually going to tell a story in reference to Michelle Obama famously saying do something back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, my apologies. I was elected senior class president of my high school, what was then Robert E. Lee High School. I'm seventeen. It was following the summer of twenty twenty, and we all know the activism and the activation that was happening there. Our school board introduced a docket to remove all Confederate tied names from public institutions. My school being named after Robert E. Lee, it was one of the most profound names and there I was also part of the student advisory council, So I attended a couple of meetings as part of the student Advisory Council member and this year class president. But one of the public hearings, I noticed that there were I was the only student there other than teachers and the principal. The auditorium was filled with alumni. My school was desegregated and I want to say the seventies, so we had a lot of angry alumni that stated that there was nothing wrong with the name Robert E. Lee and if there was something wrong or if somebody had a problem with the name. It's probably because it's a predominantly black school now, and maybe we should go back to segregation. Following that, right following that public hearing, we started getting more alumni with Confederate flags, with newses, screaming more and more racial slurs. And I was seventeen. I couldn't vote, couldn't sign my own name on certain documents. I still had to ask for my mom's permission. I was going through my own financial and personal issues. I was homeless at the time. It felt like I could do nothing until I could. We organized a protest in front of the school board building, and we had a couple of news outlets there and they wanted to hear more. So we started getting more students. We brought them to the public hearings. We made sure that they could be at the school board meetings. We had the superintendent, we had the principal, We had school board members be there and listen to the students. To the point where the school board could do nothing but host a vote vote, a vote in which students could participate in. We got community leaders, we got students, and on the day of my graduation, the superintendent made a recommendation to change the name of Robert E. Lee High School to Riverside High which it is now named. It has been named Riverside High School since twenty twenty one. I am the last senior class president of Robert E. Lee High School. All of that change happened within a few short months, within my graduation before I went to Florida State and I was a care student. So I went off to Florida State in the summer. That's an example of doing something. That's an example of speaking out. I had no money, no home, no notoriety, no nothing other than a voice and a will. If you care about something, it doesn't matter how niche it is, it doesn't matter how small it is. Sure post it, but also talk about it. Go to those meetings, go to your library, research it, Go to your city council meetings and stay. Sometimes they're long and we don't always know what they're talking about, but stay to the end. Speak to the members after, give them your number, give them your email. Be willing to have a conversation, because ultimately, action doesn't happen without conversation. I think we like to skip to the action part, but talking about it and making sure that it's pressing making sure that it is even if it's not hot news, making sure that it is still being talked about, still being known. That's half the battle, right there.

So to answer that question, I'm actually going to tell a story in reference to Michelle Obama famously saying do something back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, my apologies. I was elected senior class president of my high school, what was then Robert E. Lee High School. I'm seventeen. It was following the summer of twenty twenty, and we all know the activism and the activation that was happening there. Our school board introduced a docket to remove all Confederate tied names from public institutions. My school being named after Robert E. Lee, it was one of the most profound names and there I was also part of the student advisory council, So I attended a couple of meetings as part of the student Advisory Council member and this year class president. But one of the public hearings, I noticed that there were I was the only student there other than teachers and the principal. The auditorium was filled with alumni. My school was desegregated and I want to say the seventies, so we had a lot of angry alumni that stated that there was nothing wrong with the name Robert E. Lee and if there was something wrong or if somebody had a problem with the name. It's probably because it's a predominantly black school now, and maybe we should go back to segregation. Following that, right following that public hearing, we started getting more alumni with Confederate flags, with newses, screaming more and more racial slurs. And I was seventeen. I couldn't vote, couldn't sign my own name on certain documents. I still had to ask for my mom's permission. I was going through my own financial and personal issues. I was homeless at the time. It felt like I could do nothing until I could. We organized a protest in front of the school board building, and we had a couple of news outlets there and they wanted to hear more. So we started getting more students. We brought them to the public hearings. We made sure that they could be at the school board meetings. We had the superintendent, we had the principal, We had school board members be there and listen to the students. To the point where the school board could do nothing but host a vote vote, a vote in which students could participate in. We got community leaders, we got students, and on the day of my graduation, the superintendent made a recommendation to change the name of Robert E. Lee High School to Riverside High which it is now named. It has been named Riverside High School since twenty twenty one. I am the last senior class president of Robert E. Lee High School. All of that change happened within a few short months, within my graduation before I went to Florida State and I was a care student. So I went off to Florida State in the summer. That's an example of doing something. That's an example of speaking out. I had no money, no home, no notoriety, no nothing other than a voice and a will. If you care about something, it doesn't matter how niche it is, it doesn't matter how small it is. Sure post it, but also talk about it. Go to those meetings, go to your library, research it, Go to your city council meetings and stay. Sometimes they're long and we don't always know what they're talking about, but stay to the end. Speak to the members after, give them your number, give them your email. Be willing to have a conversation, because ultimately, action doesn't happen without conversation. I think we like to skip to the action part, but talking about it and making sure that it's pressing making sure that it is even if it's not hot news, making sure that it is still being talked about, still being known. That's half the battle, right there.

I love that and I appreciate you sharing that story with us. It's amazing. When white Americans are asked the question whether or not this country is racist or rooted in a racist past, the immediate answer, no, of course not da. But you challenge the systems and the structures in the institutions that have given them great cover and comfort for as long a time as they've ever known, back to their ancestors. When you disrupt that, then it's all you know, the mass comes off. You start dealing with them in real fashion, and now you can go back to your country. Right after you've built this one and perfected it over time, you can go back. I'm curious to know. In the in the in the aftermath of the election, obviously the man I don't. I don't even know ground shaking, earth shaking moves. By the early months of the Trump administration, a lot of folks are feeling great despair. A lot of folks do want to check out, or they have checked out since the election, and frankly hadn't found a reason yet to check back in, choosing instead to be not as aware and not as informed of the day to day to protect their peace of mind and also to keep them focused on what's most important, which is probably the safety, security and support for their family. Right, How do we shake folks out of that or do we need to if we're about to fight this marathon of a fight over the next four years to keep what little we already have.

I love that and I appreciate you sharing that story with us. It's amazing. When white Americans are asked the question whether or not this country is racist or rooted in a racist past, the immediate answer, no, of course not da. But you challenge the systems and the structures in the institutions that have given them great cover and comfort for as long a time as they've ever known, back to their ancestors. When you disrupt that, then it's all you know, the mass comes off. You start dealing with them in real fashion, and now you can go back to your country. Right after you've built this one and perfected it over time, you can go back. I'm curious to know. In the in the in the aftermath of the election, obviously the man I don't. I don't even know ground shaking, earth shaking moves. By the early months of the Trump administration, a lot of folks are feeling great despair. A lot of folks do want to check out, or they have checked out since the election, and frankly hadn't found a reason yet to check back in, choosing instead to be not as aware and not as informed of the day to day to protect their peace of mind and also to keep them focused on what's most important, which is probably the safety, security and support for their family. Right, How do we shake folks out of that or do we need to if we're about to fight this marathon of a fight over the next four years to keep what little we already have.

Before hopping on here, you referenced something you said, two truths, and I think that's the perfect way to go about answering this. You know, running a marathon, you gotta pace yourself doing any endeavor. We have to plate pace ourselves because the seeds that we're selling now, we're often not gonna be able to see the fruits of our labor. And this isn't necessarily me doing the work for me or even for my kids. It might be for my kids' kids or their grandkids and so on. So I think the first part of that is acknowledging that the people on one side of a conversation, regardless of which side it is, they have a right to feel that way. You're right, a lot of people were in despair. A lot of people were tired. I was one of those people. I gave my all to that campaign, this Kamala Harris run for office. It was historic, of course, but that was the first presidential election I could vote in. As I mentioned a lot of the activism, especially for young people, especially for my peers, we were starting it without being able to be fully represented where you know, whether it was March for Our Lives and us just asking to not get gunned down in schools, or asking for school supplies, or asking for our schools to not be named after a racist Confederate. We are advocating, we are chanting, we are yelling, we're giving our all, but we can only do so much because we're not of age, because we don't have the status. Then then we finally can vote, We finally can be in college. Make some noise in SGN. I know, you know how that goes, make some noise in our community, and we're we're seeing this movement on TikTok, We're seeing this movement online where we're thinking that everybody you know knows the right answer to this very simple question, and it doesn't go that way. It's almost like it's almost like While it's not our fault that the election turned out the way it is, we owe it to ourselves to allow ourselves to feel all the emotions, to allow ourselves to go through the stages of grief, to come to terms with what that means. And it's not just it didn't just end in November, you know what I mean, because then we had the inauguration followed by several mandate, several executive orders. I have friends, I have family members that either don't know what their educational status is going to be, don't know what their citizen ship status is going to be. We have people getting their resources stripped away from them. We have people who don't know if they could continue going to school. I want to go to law school. I don't know if that's financially feasible for me anymore. I don't know if that matters anymore. I don't know if the rule of law matters anymore. And as big or symbolic as that may sound, you know, sometimes we just need to detach. You know, I'm not a technician or anything, but if my if you stop working, I'm gonna unplug it, give it a little time, and plug it right back in same thing with my computer. If it's not working, I'm gonna turn it off. If my phone freezes up, I'm gonna turn it off, give it a little second, and I'm gonna turn it right back on. Just because people are taking some time to enjoy homecoming, learn a few new trail ride dances, to do a few new hairstyles, to learn a new trend, to do whatever it may be. Just because people are expressing joy doesn't mean that they're not going to get back out there, because that's what our people have always done. And I the one thing I will say is that the idea that we just need to jump right back into action, that's harmful. Not saying stop it. I'm not saying stop caring, but take care of yourself, because how could you possibly how could you possibly complete the marathon if you're not, If you get injured on mile three and you're not taking care of yourself, we're we're I don't know how far we are in the race. I our ancestors laid the foundation and we're just gonna keep on pushing on. But part of that is finding the joy within it. And we know that some of us still seeing the slave hymns. You know what I mean. Some of us still have those recipes that were passed down from generations. We still have cookouts, we still have family reunions, We still run apart from each other when we laugh like it's embedded in us. It's embedded in us. And part of the need to keep on keeping on is taking rest, because rest isn't just revolutionary, it's needed. And rest can look like a multitude of things. But I don't believe that there's no liberation without fun, because what are we fighting for If I can't laugh? What are we fighting for if I can't go out to the protest and then go to my last appointment after, get my hair done after Because I don't feel like my best self when I'm not put together. And if I don't feel like my best self, I can't show up for the people. And part of showing up for the people is recognizing that as a person, I am the people, so I also have to show up for myself.

Before hopping on here, you referenced something you said, two truths, and I think that's the perfect way to go about answering this. You know, running a marathon, you gotta pace yourself doing any endeavor. We have to plate pace ourselves because the seeds that we're selling now, we're often not gonna be able to see the fruits of our labor. And this isn't necessarily me doing the work for me or even for my kids. It might be for my kids' kids or their grandkids and so on. So I think the first part of that is acknowledging that the people on one side of a conversation, regardless of which side it is, they have a right to feel that way. You're right, a lot of people were in despair. A lot of people were tired. I was one of those people. I gave my all to that campaign, this Kamala Harris run for office. It was historic, of course, but that was the first presidential election I could vote in. As I mentioned a lot of the activism, especially for young people, especially for my peers, we were starting it without being able to be fully represented where you know, whether it was March for Our Lives and us just asking to not get gunned down in schools, or asking for school supplies, or asking for our schools to not be named after a racist Confederate. We are advocating, we are chanting, we are yelling, we're giving our all, but we can only do so much because we're not of age, because we don't have the status. Then then we finally can vote, We finally can be in college. Make some noise in SGN. I know, you know how that goes, make some noise in our community, and we're we're seeing this movement on TikTok, We're seeing this movement online where we're thinking that everybody you know knows the right answer to this very simple question, and it doesn't go that way. It's almost like it's almost like While it's not our fault that the election turned out the way it is, we owe it to ourselves to allow ourselves to feel all the emotions, to allow ourselves to go through the stages of grief, to come to terms with what that means. And it's not just it didn't just end in November, you know what I mean, because then we had the inauguration followed by several mandate, several executive orders. I have friends, I have family members that either don't know what their educational status is going to be, don't know what their citizen ship status is going to be. We have people getting their resources stripped away from them. We have people who don't know if they could continue going to school. I want to go to law school. I don't know if that's financially feasible for me anymore. I don't know if that matters anymore. I don't know if the rule of law matters anymore. And as big or symbolic as that may sound, you know, sometimes we just need to detach. You know, I'm not a technician or anything, but if my if you stop working, I'm gonna unplug it, give it a little time, and plug it right back in same thing with my computer. If it's not working, I'm gonna turn it off. If my phone freezes up, I'm gonna turn it off, give it a little second, and I'm gonna turn it right back on. Just because people are taking some time to enjoy homecoming, learn a few new trail ride dances, to do a few new hairstyles, to learn a new trend, to do whatever it may be. Just because people are expressing joy doesn't mean that they're not going to get back out there, because that's what our people have always done. And I the one thing I will say is that the idea that we just need to jump right back into action, that's harmful. Not saying stop it. I'm not saying stop caring, but take care of yourself, because how could you possibly how could you possibly complete the marathon if you're not, If you get injured on mile three and you're not taking care of yourself, we're we're I don't know how far we are in the race. I our ancestors laid the foundation and we're just gonna keep on pushing on. But part of that is finding the joy within it. And we know that some of us still seeing the slave hymns. You know what I mean. Some of us still have those recipes that were passed down from generations. We still have cookouts, we still have family reunions, We still run apart from each other when we laugh like it's embedded in us. It's embedded in us. And part of the need to keep on keeping on is taking rest, because rest isn't just revolutionary, it's needed. And rest can look like a multitude of things. But I don't believe that there's no liberation without fun, because what are we fighting for If I can't laugh? What are we fighting for if I can't go out to the protest and then go to my last appointment after, get my hair done after Because I don't feel like my best self when I'm not put together. And if I don't feel like my best self, I can't show up for the people. And part of showing up for the people is recognizing that as a person, I am the people, so I also have to show up for myself.

I love that. I love that. Well, we know where you stand, and I hope nobody comes sideways toward you or your friends on this conversation. Welcome, Well, well let's do this. I want to invite in our mutual friend, Lolo. And as we wind down our few minutes, it really does go quickly. Deanna Butcher, you've inspired us with your own jewels and wisdom. And I can tell you from just personal experience, the idea, the fact that I so forcefully threw myself into leadership and the government and to change making, so much so that when it was gone, I had no real appreciation for who I was, and it was a spiral I would not wish on anyone. And so the self care piece is important here. And my only hope is that people aren't bandwagoning this thing, but are truly deepening into what their need is, seeing about their need and how it gets met, and then getting themselves strapped right back in for the fight. We're gonna have to sleep in shifts. We don't get the luxury of of of checking all the way out because we know that we sit in at the greatest epicenter of impact. Lolo, where are you? I don't know if you're here with us, all right? I think we're without Lolo at the very moment. But Dianna, if you if you had something, a note that you wanted to leave with the folks who have joined us and those who will listen when this is in a production post production form, what would you say to those like you who are disheartened to found you know it very difficult to sort of check back in although you have, what would you say as as the as the big push that made sense for you and for the things that you care about, and maybe others might take some wisdom from that as well.

I love that. I love that. Well, we know where you stand, and I hope nobody comes sideways toward you or your friends on this conversation. Welcome, Well, well let's do this. I want to invite in our mutual friend, Lolo. And as we wind down our few minutes, it really does go quickly. Deanna Butcher, you've inspired us with your own jewels and wisdom. And I can tell you from just personal experience, the idea, the fact that I so forcefully threw myself into leadership and the government and to change making, so much so that when it was gone, I had no real appreciation for who I was, and it was a spiral I would not wish on anyone. And so the self care piece is important here. And my only hope is that people aren't bandwagoning this thing, but are truly deepening into what their need is, seeing about their need and how it gets met, and then getting themselves strapped right back in for the fight. We're gonna have to sleep in shifts. We don't get the luxury of of of checking all the way out because we know that we sit in at the greatest epicenter of impact. Lolo, where are you? I don't know if you're here with us, all right? I think we're without Lolo at the very moment. But Dianna, if you if you had something, a note that you wanted to leave with the folks who have joined us and those who will listen when this is in a production post production form, what would you say to those like you who are disheartened to found you know it very difficult to sort of check back in although you have, what would you say as as the as the big push that made sense for you and for the things that you care about, and maybe others might take some wisdom from that as well.

I'm a firm believer that to reach your target audience, or to reach the community, you have to know the community. And I want to correct you for just a brief moment, because you said what got me back in? And honestly, I'm not all the way in my candor my piece about taking care of yourself wasn't I read it in a book and all that just makes so much sense, or I heard it in passing, or I saw it on a billboard. It was because I had to stop, because I gave my all. So I come to this conversation as someone who wasn't sleeping, as someone who was always protesting, always activating on several zoom calls, sometimes on a multitude of calls. You can tell Nick, that's I learned my suitcase trick. But the multitude of calls, trying to get the resources to the people, whether that be food, whether that be knowledge, whether that be funding. I gave my absolute all at at the expense of myself. We're not talking about just losing our way. I was a machine for a candidate, multitude of candidates for a cause, and think these are all things that should be common sense. I was fighting for my livelihood, fighting to be represented, fighting to be seen as a person, and in turn, I wasn't treating myself like a person. I am not a therapist. I don't do yoga. I probably should, but I don't have all the answers in regards to self care. And when I hear people say that, I'm happy that it's a part of the conversation because it's also attached to mental health. Your mental health will take a toll if you don't do something for the outside and for the community and for the environment. But if you don't do something for yourself, I don't care. If showing up for yourself is deciding to take the day off if you can, I don't care. Doing something for yourself is doing your hair, is taking some rest, is going out and going to a crap well, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, for you, every time you do something for the community, give it back to yourself. You have to. No, it's not worth there's no fight worth it without you. You can't fight without you. You can't abandon yourself. And I think it's and hopefully this is another topic for later, but I really want people to show up for themselves because I'm speaking from experience. We have a lot of people, we have a lot of organizers and leaders who have abandoned themselves and what you see is a vessel for the people, and they've forgotten that they are the people. So not to tune out of elections, not to tune out of activism, but it's it's a hard balance when you when people when every time you open your phone it's something that this administration is doing, and you can't even draft up a graphic quick enough, get out the word quick enough, because by the time time is posted, there's something else. If you look on any of my activism pages, there's there's time gaps in between it because I have to take time for me because sometimes news isn't the most helpful thing, but it's being ready for the fight. And I can't be ready without having myself to get there. So I just love that that'll preach No, I've seriously just hoped that people know I'm not just talking to them. I've been through it. And if they're not there right now, that's fine. Your body will let you know when you're ready. Your body will also let you know when you need to stop, and if you have to stop, stop, But just remember unplugging that TV. I'm plugging that core doesn't mean you're never gonna watch TV again. Just plug it right back in when you're ready.

I'm a firm believer that to reach your target audience, or to reach the community, you have to know the community. And I want to correct you for just a brief moment, because you said what got me back in? And honestly, I'm not all the way in my candor my piece about taking care of yourself wasn't I read it in a book and all that just makes so much sense, or I heard it in passing, or I saw it on a billboard. It was because I had to stop, because I gave my all. So I come to this conversation as someone who wasn't sleeping, as someone who was always protesting, always activating on several zoom calls, sometimes on a multitude of calls. You can tell Nick, that's I learned my suitcase trick. But the multitude of calls, trying to get the resources to the people, whether that be food, whether that be knowledge, whether that be funding. I gave my absolute all at at the expense of myself. We're not talking about just losing our way. I was a machine for a candidate, multitude of candidates for a cause, and think these are all things that should be common sense. I was fighting for my livelihood, fighting to be represented, fighting to be seen as a person, and in turn, I wasn't treating myself like a person. I am not a therapist. I don't do yoga. I probably should, but I don't have all the answers in regards to self care. And when I hear people say that, I'm happy that it's a part of the conversation because it's also attached to mental health. Your mental health will take a toll if you don't do something for the outside and for the community and for the environment. But if you don't do something for yourself, I don't care. If showing up for yourself is deciding to take the day off if you can, I don't care. Doing something for yourself is doing your hair, is taking some rest, is going out and going to a crap well, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, for you, every time you do something for the community, give it back to yourself. You have to. No, it's not worth there's no fight worth it without you. You can't fight without you. You can't abandon yourself. And I think it's and hopefully this is another topic for later, but I really want people to show up for themselves because I'm speaking from experience. We have a lot of people, we have a lot of organizers and leaders who have abandoned themselves and what you see is a vessel for the people, and they've forgotten that they are the people. So not to tune out of elections, not to tune out of activism, but it's it's a hard balance when you when people when every time you open your phone it's something that this administration is doing, and you can't even draft up a graphic quick enough, get out the word quick enough, because by the time time is posted, there's something else. If you look on any of my activism pages, there's there's time gaps in between it because I have to take time for me because sometimes news isn't the most helpful thing, but it's being ready for the fight. And I can't be ready without having myself to get there. So I just love that that'll preach No, I've seriously just hoped that people know I'm not just talking to them. I've been through it. And if they're not there right now, that's fine. Your body will let you know when you're ready. Your body will also let you know when you need to stop, and if you have to stop, stop, But just remember unplugging that TV. I'm plugging that core doesn't mean you're never gonna watch TV again. Just plug it right back in when you're ready.

And activist leader, advocate, social justice warrior uh Deanna Burton, Florida native, homegrown Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida. Very successful. We're incredibly proud of you and for you, and thanks to just a few moments, especially at last minute notice, to share some pearls of wisdom with us and for the old heads, y'all, I think we heard pretty clear from Dianna that we should just take a beat before we batter. The next generation come in after us on what they are and aren't doing. Let's take a beat, let them rest into themselves and very quickly renew the fight and get back on the field. Y'all. It's been real and guess what. I'll be right back next week Monday. We'll have a consecutive back to back and we'll get back to our training curriculum on organizing. We'll catch up with you later, Deanna, thanks again for your time.

And activist leader, advocate, social justice warrior uh Deanna Burton, Florida native, homegrown Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida. Very successful. We're incredibly proud of you and for you, and thanks to just a few moments, especially at last minute notice, to share some pearls of wisdom with us and for the old heads, y'all, I think we heard pretty clear from Dianna that we should just take a beat before we batter. The next generation come in after us on what they are and aren't doing. Let's take a beat, let them rest into themselves and very quickly renew the fight and get back on the field. Y'all. It's been real and guess what. I'll be right back next week Monday. We'll have a consecutive back to back and we'll get back to our training curriculum on organizing. We'll catch up with you later, Deanna, thanks again for your time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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