Nathan, Nat & ShaunThe internet is going crazy for the QLD man who has been spotted breaking into someone's house to use their pool.. We chat Serial Killers with Dr. Rachel Toles, and Casey Donovan joins us to talk about her latest role in Sister Act the Musical.
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Hi everybody, Good morning.
On the podcast today towards cereal killers, not actual serial killer, it's just people talking about them. So we're going to catch up with a clinical psychologist, doctor Rachel Tolds, who does basically does a stage show that she's bringing to Perth that's about the psychology of serial killers.
And she knows them really well.
It's unbelievably interesting. You're gonna love every single bit of it. We're going to catch up with Casey Donovan too, she's in town for a musical Well talk sport.
With Kat Lockman.
That's always a bit.
Of fun and swimming pools, you know, sneaking into a someone else's swimming pool and it's called on CCTV.
Yeah, but what about animals that have dug a hole?
It's pretty good.
That sounds boring, but it was actually really good.
For way more interesting than you think it's going to be.
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We got rock stepping in Vanathan and day two all the way from his barley ballroom.
Sean mcmanorth, nothing's changed, got the chandeliers behind me.
I'm all set to go for a dance off.
Perhaps, Yeah, no, that's beautiful. So how the staff treating you? Because this will be the first time that this hotel has had a radio show coming live from.
One of their conference room.
Somebody just delivered him all his papers he needed for the show, hand delivered it to imprinted, hand delivered.
They are so helpful, it's unbelievable in every sense. Yeah, we've got two producers in our team, and I feel like I've got four.
Over here in a stage.
When I ask a question, I've got the answer, and they getting the work done.
Do you think they're are Balley resort designers now going Oh, we need to put a radio studio in. I mean, this is what we need to encourage, really, isn't it. Yeah?
Absolutely, I've been great this morning. I did have to wait. I forget his name, but I had to wake the guy up again. He was back in that behind the false.
Space, just trying to get it all night sleep and you're just brock it up and bloody waking you up at five am every day.
I hope you've got to tip him.
It's so funny. Now he's been great so far. Yes, I will. Now, I'll throw him some money for sure.
I don't believe you.
We'll frob be goat Jub a little bit later, but just give us the headline.
What did you get up to in Bali yesterday?
Okay, yesterday the kids went to water Bombe Park, but Meghan and I went on an adventure up to Changu to check out the fashion and the restaurants.
Were you the oldest people there?
Yeah?
Most definitely, I will say I said to you this morning that wasn't the greatest sleep of all time. There there's a restaurant next to us called Mozzarella, and they normally have entertainment, but I wouldn't have thought on a Monday night they did. But they had this band that was singing ac DC songs great and it felt like it was out this you know, just out the front of my room.
And that went to eleven RESTful. Yeah, I went to eleven thirty.
Not a relaxing on.
A Monday not.
I mean, I guess it doesn't matter in Bali, but still I guess this is.
The problem with having a radio studio.
You also need a soundproof room you to sleep in.
Oh the answering to that, Yeah, the other thing is I got woke up about one because I could hear these people. I thought they're having a fight though. There's a lot of yelling and screaming going on. So I got up and went close to the door and it was these people who were in the pool playing Marco polo.
Fun.
That's fun, highly competitively. By the sounds, it's so.
Full and it was unbelievable.
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You missed the earlier this morning, Sean was telling us about a crime being committed at the hotel Sean, while you were trying to sleep this morning.
Yeah, it was about one in the morning and I thought people were having an argument.
They were fighting for quite some time.
So I went to the door to put my head out the window to see what was going on, and it was about four people playing Marco polo in the pool.
Very enthusiastic.
He's a highly competitive mark Opola. I know what I am. I suspect that, you know, maybe some cocktails were involved in that.
Oh what have thought?
Socsion making not the only pool based crime though, as it turns out, Ross.
Yeah, check this out this story yesterday A quick peek before popping into the pool.
But this is no regular post workout dip.
This is not this man's house nor his pool, but he's certainly treating it like it is, making himself at home in Holy Stevens's backyard at least five times since January.
Vision hilarious, Shawny.
As you can tell by the way that guy said pool, this is happening in Queensland.
That's a giveaway, isn't it.
Imagine that Sewan.
Yeah, well, he's a young guy who keeps jumping into their pool all the time. The cats caught him out a couple of times now on CCTV, but they don't know who he is. Nice yet the police are investigating this is this is so does it not?
Like long weekends and holidays and things like that when when the owners are away, and.
If you see the vision, which a lot of people have, he like looks in the window to see if their home before he does his big stretches in the pool. This is actually what the owner of the house after she saw the CCTV footage said.
It just feels a little bit entitled.
He's like Tweaty has sneakers on and he's running and then he's stretching in the pool.
After a run, which is honestly very gross, and.
As somebody who has to watch Sean mcmaha stretch.
Every day, I can attest it is gross.
It's revolting, and if it was happening in your pool by a stranger, you wouldn't be happy.
Sean. You've got a pool, and I've just.
Realized now that when we know you're away, I might pop around to your pool because in the hood and I don't have a pool, so that's.
Oh yeah, no, I'd be absolutely.
Fine because you know, I used to do this to my cousin live behind Gary Shannon, the radio champion himself. I'm not joking, and I've told Gary this story a hundred times. But he had this green Porsche in the driveway, so we're amazed. We would jump over the fence and check out this lime green Porsche. In the event that he wasn't home. We'd always always jumping his pool in summer.
Always. He lived in Bateman and we jump in his pool.
And as you obviously never got caught.
What did he say when you finally told him think, Well.
He said, I've seen you guys. I believe you have been in the pool and no one got out. To have a Wii, so that was problem and.
Was that accurate?
I reckon it might have been. Okay jumping to stranger's pool today. Yeah, if it's going for it sounds great.
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And Live in Balley, Live and BALLEI are meaning me, grang that, I really are you? We're down to get an orange juice, and I thought, oh, the buffets open, I'll have a look, and there wasn't enough time to get scrambled eggs and make some toast.
So me, grang, it is this morning.
And when you put that in your mouth, you put a lot in, don't you.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you know.
Digital guy filmed all of that, and I'm sure it will make our socials very shortly.
Now he's having some juice. Will you just live your best like we're still on air?
You know that right?
Shohn is coming home from Barley today, aren't you? Are you?
Yes?
I am, yep.
I'll be out of here with jet start about eleven forty.
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Not Dale specifically.
I now want to get a dog and call it Dale's stuff. No I can say that.
It would have makes sense, wouldn't it?
From you?
Angel?
About Good morning, Liz, Good morning? All right, talk to us about the pet that dug a hole.
We had a murder of funny murderer. What's funny with murder on him?
Behind?
How because we had one funny Her name was Rabbi Rabster. And then we had a guinea pig as well. I can't remember his name, but she would dig her burrows that had like an area that they could that they lived in, and she would dig her burrows. And at the end of the day when we put them in the hutch, we had to go and rescue the guinea pigs because she was his follower into the burrow and she was bury him in there.
She's been trying to get him every time.
Yeah, she did it for months, and you know, sometimes it'd be two bows, some buns would be three burrows. And one night we just could not find him.
Were like, had he got out? What happened to him?
And we found him buried alive, buried alive. The owner doesn't even know the name. You don't know its name. You can't remember the pol.
You remember the buddy's name.
Is the main character, that's for sure. Rights you hang there, Thank you. We're going to move on to Candace in Pira Waters. Good morning, Candace morning.
Good morning GIRs.
You're our Pea Ward of the day. Candas okay, talk to us about who dug a hole?
So over here in Pea Warts we moved into about five years ago and you know, checked the dog out of the back saw a door. The kids come in one afternoon yelling that there's a body in the backyard and what do you mean in the garden there's there's a body, doesn't I've come looked at each other like what what are you talking about? We go out there and the dog has dug It's sort of a raised up retaining wall garden bede in there, and you can just see a skeleton. Bones hadn't dug the whole thing, so you can just sort of see the top of a of a frame, a skeleton and bones sort of sticking out. And I was looked at my husband. He kind of looked at me and was thinking, this thing is long, long enough for a body, like it goes along the back wall and we're kind of took a photo and sent it to a nurse friend and I just sort of said, what am.
I looking at?
Like?
What is it?
And she said, dig around it? And I was like, I don't and she said it looks more like an animal and I sort of said okay, So we dug around it. And yeah, the previous people had buried their Jack Russell in the retaining war, but not overly deep. It was my husband's job was in but the inquisitive and you know, I thought she found a bone, and yeah, it was a bit worrying.
She did wonder what it out?
Really many bones cemetery, Oh.
Yeah, yeah, the old pets.
Yeah, nothing quite like it is that when you discover that in the new house. All right, Cannes, you hang there out there.
Call it.
It's Brendan from mind are good morning, Brendan, good morning?
Are you bon?
We're hearing tales of animals that have dug a hole?
What happens?
I got a.
Phone call many years ago to go to a funeral in the UK and so and I got a phone call from the girlfriend when I was away saying, the dogs dug a hole, ripped.
All the riti out through this one hole.
Through the hole so like dug down, found a bit of the retick and then pulled it all out.
Yep.
And the only problem is half an acre and back garden and every piece of retick that was in that garden came out through that one hole.
That's kind of photo.
A little little sprinkler things were inside of his poop to take him, to take him to the vic because one of the bits that springs up was stuck in his.
What you don't want a dog with a spring loaded But.
I'm sure, I'm sure you're worried about the dog. But were you worried about your grass as well? Brettan, I'm sure you prided yourself on that you got retick. Well, we were.
Renting at the time, so yeah, we were learning about the bloody grass, but it was more of the fact the dog has swallowed a lot of plastic and was crapping it.
Yeah.
Yeah, so you issues here.
This becomes expensive because you've got a vet bill, You've got you have to replace the retick, and you've got.
To save the lawn.
Yeah. I was looking at the dog, going if I had a gun.
No, I don't know. You wouldn't do that.
No, you wouldn't do it.
But we love our dogs.
That Brendan, that's a terrible story. But I mean the dog is very efficient. It just dug one hole and got all the retick out through that.
That's good, going, all.
Right, one of those are going to win a thousand.
Yes, yeah, murderous bunny digging up a potential skeleton, not a human, a jack Russell, all.
The retick being pulled out through one hole.
Shureny just voting here, please plead again? Yeah, that's so exciting. Vote yeah, all right, I'm gonna go. Okay as well. The story started.
With a bunny by the name of big Wee Wee, So we thought, Liz, we might give it to you because of your murderous bunnies intents. Okay, there's one thousand dollars from our friends at pet Circle being murderer Rabbi Rabster by the Great Great naming on that. I think probably if we think about it, the guinea pig is probably called guinea Ginster, so he's.
Really quit it busy.
All right, Well, I have another thousand dollars on the line tomorrow.
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We're excited by this guest.
Now, The Psychology of Serial Killers and Why They Captivate Us is coming to Australia Thursday, May twenty nine, playing the Asta Theater. You can get your tickets now from TG dainty dot com. The host is doctor Rachel Toles, who joins us now from South Carolina. She is an expert in serial killers and.
We're here for it.
Hello Rachel morning.
Hello.
Hi.
I'm actually right now in Indianapolis, Indiana, because I'm on my US my second US tour. The Sticology of Murderers was talking about the everyman versus the serial killers, but I'm not in South Carolina.
Okay, great, Hi to meet everyone.
Yeah you too. Now we are all on board.
Like I love nothing more than listening to a true crime podcast, and it does seem to be a bit of an affliction for middle aged white women that we really do get into this stuff, don't we that, Like, statistically that's true.
Statistically yes, I mean I've always said, certainly for the last year I've known to say that, you know, women love true crime the way men love pornography. I mean, it's just the way it is. I mean, men love to talk about sex, women love to talk about murder. That's you know, to get while men spend their lives scanning for sexual conquests, as women spend our lives scanning to avoid getting murdered.
Well, yeah, that is amazing.
On that doctor Talls, you just mentioned a lot of the people that.
We say a man who are serial killers? Is there many women?
Yep?
That we know?
Great, great questions. So I'll give you some stats. One of the stats, just to know of fun stats that a lot of people who aren't American love and again Americans love to be number one, so they're okay with their sometimes. But sixty five percent of all serial killers come from the US and the second highest percentage for country like the country with the second highest most is England and they come in at three point four percent. That just gives you an idea of how many serial killers are in the US. It's just so, yeah, I've got a chart. So when whoever comes to the show, they're going to get to see the full chart from a serial killer database of all the different countries.
But why not tell.
You where Australia is. It's very significant. So when it comes to males and females, there are stats. So about ninety two to ninety three percent of all serial killers are males and bends. That makes about seven percent female. However, of that seven percent, over one third of them have a male accomplice.
Raw it's very rare, and so.
When women kill, they're far they don't ever, they're very practical about it. Typically they want to get the job done. The only time, for the most part, that women are ever statistic in their kills is if they have a male accomplice because they know that it gets him off. Because the sadism comes in when it's the male killer. Unless you know it's a wife that you've really done her wrong, she's going to, you know, maybe torture you a bit. But otherwise, typically you know, the sadism is left out with females.
Wow, Doctor tallis just on that what contributes to the making of a serial killer and maybe mention what's happening in the US that's putting that percentage so hot.
Oh my gosh, Well, the great question. So I've come to find, as I'm going to really at length get into in the show, that there are nine factors, nine cumulative factors that always make a serial killer, and not in any particular order. And I go through those factors and the US I think that I think, first of all, when I get into those nine factors, I'm going to also be talking about culture. And if you think about cultural things, I mean, the US has a fetishization when it comes to the individual big time that the American hero and which means a very black and white thinking. And then you've got the fetishization of guns, which as a Canadian I would love if they just you know, I know, you can never get American, You'll never be able to take away their guns. But the number one weapon of choice of serial killers is a handgun. A lot of people think it's strangulation is actually a handgun.
Yeah.
So the the a's of a weapon and being able to park that makes it makes it ease.
Yeah.
Yeah, So there's those two factors. Just yeah, and there's a lot of black and white thinking and just if you're not the best, then you're the worst. And so now we're coursusing way more maus shooting and to the idea of these kids that are coming with these guns, they're like, I got to be somebody special, and I'm there just going to have to go up with a bank. Then at least will be someone special. And it's like, we've got to talk about what that psychology is for sure.
Most definitely, doctor told you'd be aware that Perth had a serial killer that's now in jail, and I'm interested in This happens a lot with serial killers in that when they've taken the lives of a lot of people, they don't necessarily admit to every crime.
And even if they're in jail.
Yeah, even if they're in jail and they're on death roll, stuff they take they seem to take information to their grave and it doesn't help, you know, the families that want to know what happened to their loved ones.
Why is that?
That's right? You know, it always depends on the killer. And so, for example, Jeffrey Dahmer, the minute that he was caught, was incredibly transparent about all of his kills. If it hadn't been for his transparency, and he was pretty much right off the bat, they didn't have to get it out of him. He's like, look, I did all these things, and had he not been so transparent, more than half of the seventeen men that he killed would have never no one would have ever known what happened to them. He was like, oh, yeah, there's the one out in nineteen seventy eight. So that's a rarity. But some of them start to kind of even you'll take the other extreme or they go overboard, but they start kind of like it's like the Boston strangler, for example, someone that right now they're trying to figure out did he actually kill all thirteen women that he said he killed or is he taking credit because a lot of them, once they become a serial killer, they want the higher numbers. Then to your question, why is it that they withhold Sometimes it's just for that last bit of I have the power and I'm not going to give it up because I guess I'm you know, and some of it is there might be some shame, believe it or not to admitting these things. It just it just depends because these people actually have feelings too. A lot of people think they've just got these dead shark guys and they have no feelings. They absolutely have feelings. They just are better at compartmentalizing really severe things. You know, all humans can compartmentalize, but the way you know, obviously, if you kill someone, typically you're going to be feeling. Most people feel a certain way about it, and if they've done it, like go off to war, even though that's very different when the soldiers come back from more, they've had to compartmentalize their feelings about it, and so it's complicated. But I think we're very good at thinking that people who murder suddenly are feelingless monsters. And I believe it or not, I don't. I point out the ways in which they're actually human. It doesn't excuse the crime, but I really examined the why and the how do they get there, because that, to me is our best shot at preventing these things.
We were talking about this earlier Rachel, about who out of us would be most likely to be a serial killer, because and the thing about a good one, and Ted Bundy is probably a really good example of this very charming Nobody's people that knew him well never suspected, and they use their charm and their good looks to get by. So we think it's probably ross because he's a very nice person. We're you know, we've got we show our dark hearts. We're not hiding us. So is it the ones that aren't? You know, you don't necessarily get a creepy vibe from a serial killer the rosses of the world.
Well well see yeah, well see.
This is the other thing. So I think Hollywood has done a really good job of painting you know, the American Psycho and you know, even Hannibal Lecter, these evil geniuses, and most of them I think they're accused. The average IQ of a serial killer is about ninety ninety one, Like, it's not super high. But you've got the odd ones that are really smarter. Mean Ted Bunny, great example. I think he's like Q was like one point thirty something, so he was pretty high up there. Jeffrey Darmer's one forty five, like, so you have some that are higher up there. But for the most part, I think it was interesting about what happened with Ted Bundy, And I think this is what freaked everybody out is that before Ted Bundy happened, serial killers were really viewed more like ed Gean, who is the Butcher of playing Field, who Norman Bates from Psycho was based on him, along with the leather Face from Texas, Shames from Oscar and and of course Buffalo Bill from Don to the Lambs. They're all based on this one man named ed Gan, the butcher Plainfields, and or there's a guy named Jerry Brutos who's the shoe finish player. And these are guys who before Ted Bundy came along, and they were just people just assumed they're kind of ghoulish, kind of creepy and all that kind of stuff. But then Ted Bundy came along and he changed the whole world of serial killing. And then of course Jean Gaisy too. John Wayne Gasey is another one because both of those guys came along. And John Gasey while he was he's known as the killer clown. He was this killer of his community. Everybody thought he was the nicest guy. And Ted Bundy was, you know, he was having plenty of sex with women and he was able to you know, it's not like he was upset that he couldn't get it. He was able women kind of throwing themselves at him, but he still had the urge to kill. And yet he had this other side of him that was perfectly reasonable, able to.
Become a lawyer.
Uh.
Just all the things he was, they were able to blend. And I think that's what really freaks people out the most, is that it's the ones that are able to blend. But again, if you listen to your body, because I know somebody whose mother went on a date with Ted Bundy and she yeah, and she just just talked about like the fact that just she knew something was off. Wow, And she listened, listened to her body, and she got the heck out of there, and and had she not I always tell I, go, I go on about this in the show. But just like what you can do if you think you might be on a date with a serial killer, how to keep yourself light? Yeah, well, I really I hope you guys when you come, please introduce yourself to I can't wait to meet the person.
Yeah, absolutely, doctor tolls before that, you go, I wanted to know that because you raised some stuff. It seems to be a lot of operational operational. I'm not sure that's operational serial killer Steel active.
In the US. Do you have a number of what that might be?
Yes?
So right now, from what I understand, I can't give you an official number, but I'll just tell you the FBI are likely hunting around thirty to forty five.
Oh.
The real high I was the seventies and nineties before Day and Iran.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Golden air of serial killing was the seventies. The peak of serial killing was nineteen eighty one.
Go to the era. We could talk to you all time.
I know you're so interesting.
I'm so glad to talk to you, and please come to the show. And I can't wait to, like I said, meet you in person. And yeah, I think you will. You will find that. Yeah, you're going to learn a lot. I promised you. You're going to leave there seeing serial killers through a whole other lens.
Oh extraorly Okay.
The Psychology serial Killers and Why They Captivate Us, hosted by doctor.
Rachel Toles, who we've just been talking to you.
Comes to the ASCA Theater Thursday, May twenty nine. Tickets at TG Dainty dot com. Rachel, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today.
Thank you so much for having me. This has been such a pleasure. I look forward to seeing you in Australia.
All Right, we're gonna have nightmares, but thank you.
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Well as we know.
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It's two box tickets up for grabs for today and he's how it works. Two callers are going to go ahead to head meet them in a second best of seven. We're going to roll our giant box, which is a dice. Questions are assigned to each number. However, the same number comes up again. It's the same question so it's right. It's a gimme if you remember.
Okay, So let's meet our contestants. We've got Anita from Laplane. Good morning, Anita, Morning Matt. Are you a netty girl from way back? Anita?
Oh, when I was very little?
In my length of days?
Lang for days, the glorious lang for days, beautiful?
What position did you play, Anita?
Usually like a goal shoot or something?
Isn't something like that?
Yeah?
That's okay, No, I hear you.
Are you up against Carina from Ellenbrook, Good morning, Karina. The morning netball been in your sporting heritage?
Yes, yeah, the.
One neptball by Country Victoria.
So go we burn red back?
And what was you play with the red back?
Loved the glory obviously. Now we're going to start rolling our dice shortly. Let's test your buzzes first though, Anita, Anita, Corinna, they're working. Oh, it's rolling. Time to kick it off. We have rolled up number one, Ross. Do you want to ask questions?
One?
What music group had a hit with no scrubs?
CLC.
Corina's on the board. Everybody, all right, what have we rolled up?
Now?
We have rolled up a five?
Okay, question number five what's the name of the movie where Lindsey Lohan swaps bodies with her mum?
No?
One?
The answer was Freaky Friday.
There again, rolled again. We've rolled up number number five. Let me go with this.
What's the name of the movie where Lindsay Lowen swaps bodies with her mum?
Were you listening, Corinna, how did you know that?
Karina? Well done?
Amazing.
We've rolled up number six.
In which month is International Women's Day celebrated?
Anita?
Anita March? Yes, Anita's on the board. Everybody score check Corina two? Anita one?
Rolled up number two. Question number two?
Which fashion item is usually worn on your head and often seen at the Anita? Corinna, Well, i'll finish a question on your head and often seen at the races?
Starting with Anita?
Hmm.
Well it's already been answered, so we can't take a point. The answer is fascinator.
Fascinator all right, so fair?
Question number two? What if we rolled up next? We've rolled up number four. Which character from the Wizard of Oz wanted a brain?
Corinna, No, it was not. It was the scarecrow.
All right?
Keep rolling there, Amy, What have we got? We've got Number two.
Which fashion my item is usually worn on your head and often.
Fascinat you've tied it up. It's two all this is a tight match.
Number six in which month is International Women's Day? So Anita, Anita March? Yes it is still March. Well, Anita has taken the lead and is on the brink of victory.
Went away from the winn Anita question.
We've rolled up a one.
Which music group had a hit with no.
Carina to tight up? Yes, it's all tired. It comes down to this one.
Let's go.
We have rolled up one that hasn't been asked yet. Number three. Which Australian animal has the nickname Skippy.
Anita for the win kangaroo. Yes, she's done it, Anita.
Ah, all right, you're going to be reliving your lang for you, glorious lang for days at the netball with me? Are you're going to be joining me in the box two box tickets to watch West Coast Fever take on Sunshine Coast Lightning.
It's this Saturday with me.
There is pregame hospitality and courtside drinks available.
I will see you there, Anita.
I cannot wait.
Matt, thank you so much. It's going to be awesome.
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Guest has arrived, the voice of a generation star of Sister Act the musical Casey Dot.
Morning.
Thank you hi here, Kate.
I am very very well. Thank you. It's great to be back in Perth. I know this is a great show. It's up it about, isn't it crazy?
You very much? Great music, Alan Menken, you can't falter it. It's such a great fun, uplifting, joyful musical and playing Dolores van Cardier has been an absolute and I'm just excited to bring it to Perth and finish hard and strong.
Sister Actorly your dress was talking about you having to dresses a nun and have you had a situation where your dresses are none but you're not in doing your job.
Look, we do lots of media for the show, so I've been out the front of churches in Adelaide. I've walked through the halls of the Crown here on Anzac Day and did a little spread in front of a bar, and there were patrons going, should.
Nums be at a bar? And we're like, oh, bless you, bless you?
I mean body of Christ, right, Sean.
Amen, I say straight away that way.
Okay, this movie came out in ninety ninety two, like so long ago, but it just keeps getting giving Sister Act. But you talked about the music just a second ago, so it's been redone or remodeled a little bit.
It has.
So Alan Mankin has panned all of the music along with the lyricist Glenn Slater, and they've made this beautiful, fabulous disco's seventies music which kind of projects the show in storytelling, and that's what a musical does. And I know a lot of people come to the show like, but it's not the songs for them from the movie, and we're like.
We know they're better.
You know.
I've got shows like songs like bless our Show. We've got Dolores's opening number, fabulous Baby. You get these beautiful intonations of disco and ballad that all meet together and project the story. And musicals are about telling stories and as we like to do, we break out into song. So yeah, Alan Mankin's music is certainly singing its way through the show.
But it's a great It's a story we know and love.
Dolores, you know, sees a mob boyfriend murder someone and they just put into a convent and she's got to deal with, you know, not eating and they eat mutton.
And Laurus is like mums and the hell is muh.
Yeah, you have really reinvented yourself as a musical theater star, haven't you having. We all knew and fell in love with you on Idol and then but I saw you in Anguliet when you played the nurse and you were so.
Good in that role. Thank you so good? How you are?
You love musical theater? Is this where you want to be for a long time now?
Look, I do love musical theater And it's just been such a great achievement in life to kind of open new doors and step into new characters.
And playing a role like Angelique was such a fun.
Role to be in a show that you know, had so many positive points about life and where we are in today's world and kind.
Of joy That was a joyous showy and it was just.
Full of hope and love and yeah, I just I've loved stepping into musical theater and playing different characters and learning from amazing people. You know, I play alongside Ronda Birchmore and Genevieve Lemon, who are just strong, witty, funny professional women that just stand in their power, and I love that I get to learn from them day after day.
So what's the difference for you doing musical theater, because it's very different to just being a singer.
It's very different.
Probably want a character and then just stepping out as many you know, Casey can stumble and fall and you know, make crass jokes and you know, kind of break the fourth wall whenever she wants. But when you're playing a character, your standing and you know you've got a responsibility to you know, everyone's kind of you're literally just catching hot potatoes everywhere because you know, there's lots of moving parts. Missing a line, can sometimes miss a lighting queue, and that's kind of like a domino effects. Yeah, a lot of responsibility when playing characters, but it's also about having fun and just enjoying yourself, and I find that really hard. I was just saying to our publicist on the cart on the way here, I'm like, I'm finally having fun the last four weeks and you know, you kind of when you're coming to the end of a run. It's like all of the work we've been doing for the last eight nine months has, you know, come to a head. Now we're or just.
Myself and I'm like, oh wow, why couldn't I do this in Sydney?
But look, it's great to be finishing up in Perth and I cannot you know, suggest or recommend highly enough to get your tickets and come on down.
Well you sell it perfectly mate, because you can hear the passion in your voice talking about it, which is fantastic in its own right. I want to know because because you know it's not up to night and I guess you're recovering all the time as well. But do you get to do anything in your down to when you're in various cities or.
Is it just really concentrating on what's going on?
Look, it's a bit of both.
It's a double edged sword because at the moment I'm vocally and physically tired and you can hear it in my voice and I'm like, how do I keep peppy? But you know it's we are elite athletes, We're doing this eight times a week, and you know the special things that we have to do, like vocal warm ups and keeping ourselves healthy to get on stage and do that thing. We're doing the same thing each night.
And you know, when you.
Look at rugby players or AFL players, you know, you get hit in different parts of your body, and you know you get to work on different parts. But when you're doing musical theater, you're doing the same exercise, the same picking up the same pen, bending at the same thing. You know, there's a part where I get down on stage and my knee goes crack every night on cue. But you know, it's all about looking after your body and you know, going and doing your physical therapies and you know, keeping that maintenance up and yeah, resting when you can. And I think a lot of people forget that musical theater people are human people, and yeah, I know, and you know, we get fatigued, and you know, I have to have nights off sometimes where you know, I'm just physically exhausted, and I get people texting me, going, I've spent all this money to come and see you, and I was like, I'm I'm so sorry.
We can't actually let you know, when we're not on stage.
Like you know, also, if I had performed tonight, you would have been disappointed because.
I couldn't real I would have been disappointed in myself. You know, the thing where I sit at home and I have panic attacks having to call in and have a night off because I'm like, I'm letting people down. But I'm also like, well if I don't, if I don't listen to my body, yes me, not me, having one night off means if I don't take.
That, I've got to take a week off.
Yeah, that's right.
So it should be noted the alternates in all of thembelievable life.
Save unbelievable unbelievable performers. And that's the thing in musical theater world is we support each other and when our understudies get to go on, that is their moment and that is their character.
And there's this this.
Big thing in theater world where it's like, that's my character, Mike, Dolores van Cardier is when I'm on for her, Yeah, that's what I.
Get to do.
But when someone else gets to put on her dress and her disco shoes, it's just it's a beautiful thing and it's that support and that yeah, supporting our peers and celebrating it, and I think that's really important.
That's great, passionate about it all.
We was sorry, we were talking about off it you're vocal warm up? Would you be willing to because I imagine to be very specific for maybe each person very willing to share a vocal warm up.
They're never pretty.
And I always say, you know, I wish I played an instrument because you could play it quietly unless you're a horn in the horn section, which I feel like I am some days, but I don't look.
There's certain things.
So I used to do lip triolls, but that's not no longer helpful for my role in this show. Okay, So it kind of ebbs and flows and changes had on the roll, Yeah, because you're using different parts of the muscle.
So this time you start off with a quick prayer.
Well, get a quick prayer, Buffy and some hydration and water. But I do this thing where I stick my tongue out. It's like a tongue out t H. So you but you don't line on your tongue and you raise the back of your tongue. So the sound is coming over the back of your tongue.
Through your tongue.
Yes, when you do a thh when you go, you'll feel the sound. So if you're here, is that the back of my mouth instead of going?
That's a front sound? So is it back?
What is unattuned to this?
You do?
You feel it?
Yeah?
You feel it?
And also I do it now I'm bringing up for everybody's do it in their car? Right?
What you do?
You trumpet? So trumpet is really really good.
So that's fun.
Really, this is interesting.
You're talking about as an athlete case and you're making sense. So someone would have you know, you do a warm up as people do when you see them on the oval.
They're doing all the various things.
They have their sports science and conditioning coaches. So do you have someone who has taught you all this stuff beforehand?
Yes?
And not you kind of I've just picked up things along the way.
I've also got a singing coach who I use, Dan Chelflin, who's in the UK, who I got put on by someone else. We have speech pathologists nts. You know sometimes you can't get a throat massage, well yeah, you also can get physical therapy, so you can actually get a vocal release, which releases all your muscles around your vocal cords, which then you cannot sing that night. It's not right because you've your muscles. It's like you take the training wheels off your bike and then you find singing because everything's so loose. So yeah, we've got conditioning coaches as well, I mean, but they come in different forms.
And you know, it's all those.
Little things where you can't see our vocal injuries, you know, where you see all on.
The field and they've got their head strapped.
You can't see when you've injured your vocal cords unless you've got a scope going in your nose or mouth. Yes, So it's yeah, the importance of sharing that knowledge and letting people know that bodies get get tired, but there are ways in which we can you know. I always get told Casey, your sixty percent is as good as your hundred.
I was like, I don't know how to do sixty percent.
Yes, it's all or nothing, yes or nothing, jogging, it's all running.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all about that. It is hard work, but it is such rewarding work when you get to work and people are smiling and we don't know what people are going through in their day. It's right, and it's just we are that escapism in the music world where you just come, you watch a beautiful show, you have a great night, and you go home and go, oh, that.
Was really good.
Sean's gone, he had a brain to catch. We'll patch up with him tomorrow when he's home from Bali. But we do have the star of Sister Act the musical Casey Donovan joining us right now. Sister Act the Musical dot com dot au is where you can get your tickets. It's playing Crown Theater until May twenty fifth limited season.
And this is it.
This is it, this is the last little stint of it.
This is the button. We like to call it.
Just do.
Yeah, that's great.
We're just talking off here because I asked more about these throat messages and you were saying, they grab your tongue, they get their thumb in your Yeah, yeah, they hit the neck with the.
There's a lot of muscles and things in there that we use. So when you're singing and dancing and doing all these things, you're using every muscle and your equivalent of hip flexes.
Religious.
Yeah, so you know you're doing all these things and hinging, and you do draw release, tongue release, throat release, chest release, all your muscles in your chest and your X. I've got to stretch out my chest. So I lay on a rollie for like, you know, a good five minutes and just stretch everything out to open everything. So that's to get lung capacity really belt out your big notes always.
Throat message is not pleasurable.
No, no, not.
But did you start doing all of this stuff because obviously you wouldn't have been doing this when you're a kid.
No, because other people said, hey, have you had a vocal release? I was like, what is that get one about? Oh my gosh, this changed my life.
So did you when the first time you had it, did you notice a noticeable difference in the way that you could really?
Yeah, it was just it's it's amazing how much tension you hold in your body. Yes, and when it gets released, you're like, oh, that's what they mean by if you just breathe this way, it'll do this thing.
But when you're living life, you know, stressed.
It's yeah, but it is literally like taking the training wheels off and just going, oh my gosh, this is I.
Forgot how to ride a bike.
That Speaking of riding a bike, you just told us that this is how you're getting around.
It's basically is on an e bike, Is that right? I am?
I am, I'm one of those people on an ee bike, but I just I love it.
I say, one of those people because I've got an e bike too. And then it's it's because I live on a hill and so that last little stretch on the way home, it's like, oh, you don't even don't even feel it.
No, and you're only a level one, right, so you do.
It's mainly you, it's mainly me a little bit of it, just a little bit of e bike.
You know.
I still like to ride a bike because I still drive a manual car, because I still like to drive a car until the day they're like they drive themselves.
And like, well, I'm just a passenger.
So yeah, me and my fiance ride to work, and you know, it's just it's a really nice way to also see Perth.
It's very beautiful. You know, you've got the river and because ground's right there on the rear, Like yeah, act really it's a beautiful way to do it. From I got caught in the footy crowd the other night.
I was like, oh gosh, I forgot was.
Coming through and I actually had to turn the power off and just kind of stay with platform.
But look, it was it was great and it's always lovely to see a lot of people getting out there and enjoying the world, and I just I love that.
Just don't get in your way when you're on your e bike please.
Yeah. Look, yes it was a bit tricky. I was using my call, but yeah we got that.
Ducking and weeping through the crowd. Well, thank you so much for coming in. Today's made an absolute enjoy And as Sean said before he scooed it off, he said, it is just great to see somebody like you speaking with such passion about what they do. It is clear that you're in, you know, in a great phase of your career. You're very successful, you're very good at what you do, but you're also loving it.
I love it, and you know what, is it working? I don't even know what the saying is. Yeah, you know what, I love what you do? When you never work there you go.
Yeah, clearly early for me, Hey, yeah, we're finishing.
Go and see Casey and Sister Act the musical ticket some sister act the musical dot com dot Au and it's a limited season. It must end on May twenty fifth.
Check it out.
Thank you, Casey.
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