Naked Sports with Cari ChampionThe conversation delves into the work ethic and upbringing of Tamron Hall, the challenges and assumptions surrounding motherhood, the importance of presentation in journalism, and the experiences of sexual harassment as a black woman. Hall shares stories; of motherhood, behind-the-scenes, and the writings of her true crime series as a cathartic experience.
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Shout out to Moses, Tameron Hall's son. He's here while we're doing this interview, eating some really tink sea doritos. So if you hear him throughout this entire interview, just know Tamner's a working mom. She's giving us what I'd like to call a real look behind the scenes, breaking down that fourth layer. It's hard to be working mom in this day and age, isn't it. Anyway, You're gonna enjoy this interview with one of my she Rose Cameron Home.
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Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked So I am telling you I have as you will know because I tell you guys, ow my business moved to New York City, and I wanted to take that opportunity to do some in studio interviews as opposed to doing them over zoom. And I did that. I did that. I waited till I found a guest that I really knew would be very fair and honest, funny, engaging, and I found the right person, someone that I've looked up to for years. So if you hear me, you know beginning with effusive, effusive, not effusive effusive praise, it is because I love me. On Tamre at Hall, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Tamarin to Naked.
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So so tammeron Hall. This is I have to give you a story. When I usually have my guests on, I like to tell them a story of what we know and what we remember. And this is still true to this day. But I have always always seen myself and you on television. You are so unapologetic about who you are, and to me, that was always the north star. And one day I was at work and a boss came in to me, he's like you see her, do you see how she just is? I was like, yes, no, I'm in love. We already in love. I've been in love for years and you've been nothing but generous and kind to me. And you don't have to, so thanks.
I have to, but you do. Yes, I want to and I have to. I mean, how could anyone not support the magic that's you? I mean you you make it very, very easy, you know. And when I say I have to, I believe that you're drawn to light if you're lucky. Yeah, And I was drawn to you instantly I saw your work. I mean, you're so gracious. You have this beautiful studio that you've set up, and you are allowing myself to crunch Dorito's just a few.
So for those of you who.
Are listening at doors watching, if you just saw the next snap, that was a mom next step, because it's just as we were starting with the beautiful intro, there was a voice that's not either about rself.
I mean, that's why you're magical.
I walked into this studio with my child who's on spring break, who I want him to see more of what I do? And do you know how many other people would have panicked to watch a four year old walk in with a bag of Dorito's, you know, and you recognize life right and and what matters, what matters, And I appreciate that very much. But as I said, I I mean watching you and watching these bowl unapologetic moves that you've made has been inspiring to me as well.
Yeah, thank you for saying that. That means a lot. I don't think that we give one another our flowers. And I also know this is going to be in this interview. By the end of this interview, we're bringing him up here, whether you kicking inscreament, whether you want to hang out or not, and he gonna talk.
About listen, he will, he will, and again you know, that's the reality of life.
I swear like it's the first time.
I'm sure you've had a dorito eating school on nearby, But I, as I said, I've been trying to make sure.
You know.
I just went on my book tour and he congratulated, thank you, And he was with me in Baltimore and there were eight hundred women, largely and husbands who were dragged by those women in to see me. And I really, I really want my kid to experience life with me and my mother was that way.
You know.
My mom was a nineteen year old single mom. I went everywhere with my mom. I was her shotgun, you know. And so when she worked at a leather factory when she was trying to get her degree, she took me up to Tandy Leather and I saw all of these women sitting behind these machines and their job was to put the rivets on the leather pants, the snaps on leather goods, and you know, that was the most important job in the world in me, like my mom, that's where my mom worked, and she's walking me through.
But that's your work ethic. I obviously am preparing for this interview, and I see that you are on a book tour, as mentioned, but day after day it's a new city, and I'm all like, okay, Philly, Baltimore, Connecticut. I'm like, and you're working and you're doing it, and you're meeting people and you're communing with the people all the while. I see Moses children now, you know, and I know you have help, but help doesn't always come in the form of sanity or moments of quiet. And when you tell the story about your mother to me, illustrates your work ethic. Is that where you get your work?
Absolutely? I think so.
I think for my mother, I think my grandfather who was born in nineteen oh one, who was a sharecropper, but every step he took he took with great pride. He ended up being a pitmaster in his career, and he going back to you know work, and remembering my mom and her job at that factory. I remember, you know, we would drive. Once my mom got on her feet, like she's like nineteen twenty, she decided she wanted to move from the small town where we lived because her chances were better in a bigger city like so many places, and we moved to Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. But we would go back every summer, every holiday with my grandfather. And I remember driving up in our Grimlin, our brown Grimlin, and we would our first stop, you know, my granda. We passed my grandpa's. If you guys, the kids, some kids are pos you.
Know, yeah, Grimlin.
It's like it's with the El Camino style, is it back in the day? Car catch back and me and my and our little Grimlin. I've got to be very valuable right now. Hours was wrecked in the front, and we drive past my grandfather's house because his house was on the corner on the way to where he worked at this grocery store at the back as a pitmaster. And you know, I'd get out and run into this little grocery store, Lee Chambers grocery Store, and go see my grandfather with his apron on and the stains from you know, the barbecue and the sauces and all that. And he was always working very very hard. And then on Sunday, you know, he would you know, shed all of that and put on his stacy atoms and get in his green buick and his beautiful hat, and he would, you know, go into church. And so I grew up around people who had phenomenal work ethic. My mother phenomenal work ethic. She'd work at that factory and then she'd decorate cakes at a grocery store at night, all while getting her schooling and college degree and making sure that I had. She She went for two more years and then ultimately did not complete at all. How about this, I had the great pleasure of speaking at my mom's graduation. Oh my god, Yeah, yeah, she finished everything. I guess it's about twelve years ago.
Maybe a little longer.
Oh wow, And so yeah, great work ethic. My mom married the dad I say, God meant for me to have my stepfather. We never referred to him as my stepfather was my dad. And he went to the army when he was fourteen, fourteen years old and because he said, he was waiting tables and he just couldn't stand the way people were talking to him and talking at him, and he thought, I'm going to go to the military. I'm joining where his brothers were all in the military, and he became a career military man. He retired as a master sergeant out of four hood, Texas. So you know, I was always around people at tremendous work ethic, tremendous work ethic. And so when I'm thinking, well, how do you do it all? And I don't know if we all do it all, but I think for me, especially being in the same industry and always looking up to you, you gave us a lot of freedoms. I don't even know if you realize it, but when you talked about the difficulty of having a child later in life and then finally having this wonderful baby, this wonderful dorito, eating just not very far from this micro dorito eating child and we better have them sponsored a Daggon podcast.
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Okay, chip chip, chip chip. But like that. To me, those kind of stories are so interesting because on your appearance, your beauty, smart, you are intell, intelligent, you are that can be very intimidating, and you brought in a whole new world. What made you want to share that story?
Well, I really honestly had no choice. I mean, everyone knew my age.
You know.
I guess if I started today, you wouldn't know your age. Yeah, yeah, so I knew my age at forty eight. I the show and my IVF journey all coincided. I was preparing to launch the show when the very first round of IVF took. In fact, the day we tape my pilot was the day I got the call from the hospital that it had taken. We'd had other failed rounds, and I also thought it was important to show the realities of the journey right. People throughout my career made many assumptions about why I didn't have a child. Oh, she's selfish, or she don't have a man, or all these things.
They put on yours.
You know, and every woman who is probably past thirty knows that there are folks, whether they are in your professional life or your personal life, who make assumptions when you don't have children over the age of thirty. And so I knew all of these assumptions. And by the way, had I stayed at the Today Show, I would have been the only woman on the main cast that didn't have a child, because when I left, Hoda became a mom with her daughters and her adoption journey, and in the morning TV especially, this assumption of motherhood making you relatable with a big undercurrent, and I wanted to talk openly about how I felt that that was nonsense. My womanhood and my motherhood are two different journeys. I'm born into womanhood and motherhood came at forty eight, and they're two very different things for me.
Tell me what womanhood is versus motherhood in your opinion, right, you know?
Womanhood are the friends that I still have who one actually said, you have a baby, now I don't. We're not going to talk as much, and I said, you're my You've been my friend forever. I'm not in this club of people who only have to have my same journey. My womanhood is the fact that I have the same best friends since.
We were four years old.
Those relationships of commonality mean something to me. My motherhood is a very different journey in that I do have friends who you know, I have a friend, a darling friend. She's got three kids and others four, and I call them for the different kind of advice. But we still talk about our life before Moses and our children.
Yeah.
I said something one day, and I don't think people really appreciate it that I said. Are some people that I said, You know, I love my life with my child immensely, and I love the smell of his skin, the smell of his hair. I wake up sometimes and I can't even believe he's mine. But I also loved my life before and I can picture my life both versions of me very clearly, and I love them both.
Yeah, I love that, Okay, and they The thing is what you just said. I've had this conversation with so many different women who either adopted or children later in life. There is a shame that is associated with you in society if you don't have a child by a certain age, or if you just never have a child, and then when you and if you don't physically because she had a surrogate, if you don't physically give birth, there's still more, like you know.
And I learned early on. So many years ago, I wrote a blog post about parenting because I ran into a rough situation. This was after New Town, and all of the people around me kept saying, you know, a parent's worst nightmare. You don't understand, you don't understand, And I felt like, wait a minute, do you believe that myself and other people who don't have children went home that day and just forgot that we watched babies be massacred, right, And I was maybe in my feelings or whatnot, but I wrote a post about you know, how we on this journey of humanity without children does not mean that we are absent from the sadness and sorrow of watching something like this. So I wrote this whole post about it, and it was widely received and it was great. And I'm on a flight coming from somewhere and this woman came to me and she was tears in her eyes, and she happened to be white, and she said tamering that touched me to my soul she said, I actually am raising my steps on and so often at the you know, whatever grandparents or relatives will say, well, you don't understand. He's really not your child. Yeah, and she said, I slothe him, I feed him, he lives with me.
He is my child.
And so going back to what you were saying, I noticed that people, you know, if you have all boys, they go, you don't understand unless you have girls.
And then you have girls, like, you don't understand. And then if you.
All never know, if you don't have twins, and then it's like, well you have a one child, you don't know unless you have four, you know. And it's there's always a moving of the goal post, okay, in our lives in general, right, it's in professions you get your dream job.
Yeah, well you remember, it's.
Always people want to move your goal post.
And it sometimes it's to make themselves feel better, you know, but also sometimes they just even know what to say.
Yeah, exactly, you're talking. I if you think about let's let's go to womanhood, and you're in the years in which I would be like, I want all her shoes, in clothes, I want everything that to this day still, but it was all always one of these affirming reasons for me to say because when I started at ESPN, women were still wearing pants suits, and they were always like.
When I started in reporting, same thing.
I actually, you know, fun fact was probably one of the first to wear after Michelle Obama around the same time the Sheath dressed.
Oh when I got into.
Today's Show and people were not dressing like that. And I've never actually taken claim and staked my flag on that, but let me just do it right here on your show, for I've never said it, but it's true.
It is a fact.
And the reason why I was so defiant in my fashion to be honest with you is not because I thought, Okay, I'm gonna be There was a tabloid report once that said I would walk into the Today Show and make every you can actually google this is stunny that I would line up the women and make them change their clothes so I could. It was it was like, I'm like, really, yes, it's always the zeal so I'm gonna.
Make the main acres change their clothes. But okay, listen and exactly.
Really, but I you know, early in my career in the nineties, I was a reporter and there was a heat wave and I was outside in Texas. You know those reports where he cracked the egg and it sizzles, you know, Yeah, this is the heatwave. And the news director at the time, I took my blazer off and I was out in the field and he got in my ear my eye, being to put your blazer back on. And I said, it's one hundred and ten. What are you talking about? And he goes, no one's gonna take you seriously.
And it was.
Infuriating, and I'm like, no, no one's gonna take me seriously because I'm standing out in this sun looking like a chocolate drop melting.
I mean, like, it was so ridiculous.
And so his notion of my credibility was in my clothing, not my words, not my presentation, not my hustle. It was that I had on a long sleeve shirt, by the way, and that's what I had on underneath.
I didn't have a top on.
I had a button down shirt like a golf shirt, a professional shirt, and I'm taking off my hot blazer. And so my value was somehow diminished because I didn't have a full suit on. So I was very mindful after that, and in my career. So it started in Chicago, where you know, like the Tribune and said, you know, the best stressed anchor on TV something. They did a whole article and it really wasn't to be flashy. It was to say, I am going to present the way I feel comfortable. It is professional and I like it. And by the way, it's empowering.
It's empowering because when I saw you dress the way you were, I was like, you can dress. If you can't get over what I looked like, then you didn't come here to get the news.
You didn't come here to get the news.
Yeah, so if you can't get over how you look stunning and still can deliver smart information, I didn't understand how people felt that.
I also operated within professional line, right, So I mean, I recognize I'm a journalist. I'm at any given time reporting on even now with my talk show, we pick out our wardrobe a week in advance, right, but down to my hair, we talk about what that presents. So if we're doing a show on the talk show about true crime or you know, if we have a more serious conversation, you know, mental, I'm mindful. I'm not gonna come out in you know, and so you know. I it is strategic. It's not willy nilly. I don't just go and go, oh this would be cute. I look at what message it conveys. Is it appropriate?
Right?
Everything has a reason in a season and we go that route. But it's always intentional for sure.
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Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked. Today's guest is Cameron Home. I hope you enjoy I think that again, what sometimes we don't realize when we're doing something, that's when you're part of being the first, and you were the first in so many ways, it's more of a struggle as opposed of Oh I did it. When you look back on your mini first in your career, do you understand how valueboth they are birds?
Oh my god, most is saying this is the mostes and no, he's perfect. He's like, mom, this is the realest you'll ever see anything. A Okay, I challenge anyone, anyone who ever talks to you on this podcast. I have a child who.
Burns, by the way, but this is real life. I'm a mom and I work. There's so many moms who are listening and work, like, look, you sometimes babies just gotta be here, you know what I mean. We're gonna take that. Okay, Moses, you can burp.
Oh gosh, all you please don't encourage is healthy? The baby he's a taurust. The baby bull is in the room.
Healthy. When you look back on your first, Moses is a trip, y'all the whole card.
Oh my gosh.
But when you look back on your first are there any regrets? Would you do anything differently?
Oh gosh?
And the first thing that popped up is what you have to say, Yeah, you know, I.
Don't, so I don't. I really resist the word regret.
Right, There are times I wish I had different I had a massive different knowledge, right. So knowledge is power, right, and and so for example, even though I love my talk show and it's I probably would have demanded more ownership of it. And that's my goal at this point now is to own more of that show and ultimately own the show. And so that is and that only really came in front of mind for me, because like yourself, you have your podcast, this is your content, it is yours. I don't own the Tammer and Hall show despite it having my name, and I wish I'd been more conscious of that. But I was going through a lot at that time, and that's no excuse, but I was going through you know, I'd just been you know, taking off the Today's Show. Harvey Weinstein, you know, was the original executive producer partner. Now he's on trial for rape and all of this, and I'm just like, Okay, we got to get this show going.
I need to get this show going.
And that was my That was something that I don't regret it, But in reflection, I wish I had the knowledge I have now because I would have broken to a little different deal.
But that's okay, because the lesson is too.
Well now I'm a good thing. Yeah yeah, how about these no deals last year? You always redegotiations and that's the great thing we're doing.
Well. Yeah, you mentioned Harvey. I remember when that came out. What it was announced before we knew Harvey was Harvey as a with it in the distance, that relationship. What was that like for you?
You know, which is is so funny that I actually didn't know Harvey, which is so this is the incredible part of it. And everyone, and thank you for asking, because someone's ever really asked the full detail. I had come to a point where we were, I don't know, three months after it was announced that I was leaving, and I never got a chance to say goodbye on air, and you know how important those things are being on air. You just unceremoniously are showing the door, which is fine, and I knew I would find my footing. And I never was angry, I was never upset. I felt always like I was floating in peace in a weird way. But there was one moment where I was exhausted. People were offering me, you know, they wanted to have me come in to give them the scoop of what really happened. But never and these were like executives who wanted the scoop of what happened at the Today Show but really didn't have anything substance to substance tive to offer me or you know, one network Hall and said, you know, we want to know if she's available to fill in because we have someone going on maternity to leave. And I'm like, uh, what, you know, No, It's like, are you kidding me? And so I was really my energy was depleted that day. And I lived in a place not very far from where we are now in Tribeca. I went home and I vividly remember taking a shower and crying, and I was in it. It just had given up. And then again for the most part, I was floating, floating in confidence, and then I was that moment I was just depleted, and I just had a series of conversations that just were just didn't go anywhere. And my agent at the time called me and said, Harvey Weinstein has sent a note and he's asked why the f can I meet with Tameron Hall. And I'm like, well, wait a minute, that's an escalation, yeah, And they said, yeah, I don't know if he's calling the wrong office who he's reaching out to. And so because it went from like zero to six, I'm like, what is he talking about? Is it wasn't as if I was not answering the call or they weren't.
We didn't know.
So my agent said, okay, he had a big office here in Tribeca. He wanted to meet us. All okay, So we go into the office and it was myself and my agent, my representatives and a couple of people were in his office. And he came out of this back room and I only see Harvey Weinstein on TV. I've never seen him in person. So He's got this black T shirt on and I'm very going back to fashion very day?
Is it?
Like it was kind of like dirty And.
I was like, I re winds he going to a dirty But he had this huge spread of food and whatnot, and he's he said, I want to show you what I've been thinking of doing. So they had already edited a version of the tammeron Hall show Wow, and he hat I didn't even know I took and he was just like, these are the guests we will get and this is this is it.
I know this.
You are going to change the scope of daytime, which was music to my ears. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, God, someone gets me. I'm not not. Just had a meeting where someone said to me, will you do hot topics and say uh uh.
It was this white older man miming.
Uh uh or whatever it's going, and I'm like, so, I mean you imagine I'm hard.
It is just like okay, they're just not going to get it.
And so now he gets it and it's substantive and it's really it's it's all the things, all the weapons I believe I have great. So we started negotiating a deal of shopping this show. Soon after, he invited me to his home uh in Connecticut for dinner, family dinner. His family was supposed to be there and what not, and so I called my friend. I said, well, come with me because I don't know him. Now, i'd not heard that he was a I had not heard that, but I already's a bully, and I just didn't want to be like, I.
Don't know these people. I'm going all the way to Connecticut.
So I took my friend who's like six ' nine with me and one of my best friends, Michael.
So when he wants all the spring I was like.
Yes, and he's a Greek and our Minian.
I was like, he go get your So we go and his family's there's children are there and it was a wonderful dinner and they had movie night and what that was it. I think I was maybe song two more times. So I think during the course he invited me to a fashion show his wife's fashion line. So I think in total I might have been in the room, never alone with him, maybe four times. Ye, so no real rapport and when I and it's so funny. I remember the last time I did see him. We were outside of one of the studios here in New York pitching the show, and he was very fidgety and very like distract and I didn't know what was going on. And I went home and someone called me and they said, I'm worried about you.
I'm sorry.
They text I'm worried about you. They are talking about the R word with Harvey Weinstein, and I wrote back retirement and then the person called me and then they told me that there was going to be an explosive report that Harvey Weinstein had great people and I'm like, wait what, And so my whole now I'm spiraling back, God, how is this happening to me? The one person I partner with, I went to my last conversation with him. I went to host a domestic violence shelters anniversary in Texas and he called me and it was like three in the morning, three in the morning, your Texas, Texas time. I was like three or four in the morning. And he said, you know this is not true, blah blah blah. And I said something to the effect of, you shouldn't be worried about what I think of you. You should be worried about what your children, what they will know about you.
And what did you say?
Nothing? And that was my last conversation.
And I've reached out to his lawyers to try to interview him. Is he is one of the people on the list. I think it is probably one of the biggest fall from grace stories in modern history.
Certainly it spawned a lot of things, the Me Too movement, which you know as quickly. We talked to Toronto Burke and she tried to make sure that that wasn't co opted for her as a black woman. Have you in this business experienced sexual harassment and felt like, I don't know if I should say anything more times than I care to recite. Do you think that there is a world in which we could ever. I have mentees, and when they come to me and they ask for help, I don't have an answer.
Yeah.
I don't know what to tell them to do sometimes, and that breaks my heart.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that. Yeah. I mean, listen, I I feel the same way a couple of things.
And I.
You know, one day I'll write a memoir or something, or maybe not even a memoir, maybe I'll write it all down and present it.
Because it's painful for me to talk about.
Right.
I've been in horrifying situations, horrifying situations. I've had the creepy calls. I've had the same things I know you've had. I know it because it is prolific, the one thing. And I'm happy you brought up Torontic because she's fantastic and she's been on my show. That the title of me Too being co opted and taken from her, and then the face of victims suddenly not only became mostly wide, but this certain stereotype of this young white blonde female in the workplace and one of the helpless things that I often felt, and I'm sure you have felt they won't believe me because I'm a black woman, and they don't believe black women are targets of this and we're afraid that these that we're unafraid, like we're too tough to be a victim. Yeah, you know, and you know they know they don't play that with the systems.
And I'm like, really you think that?
And so we were somehow immune to it because our toughness was going to keep these, you know, predators away.
Yeah, and that's just not true.
It discourages me because do you say, go to HR, Well, we know what happens when you were one of a few and you go to HR. Usually doesn't work in our favor. Do you say, report your boss? What do you say? No, I don't know what. It's twenty twenty four and I'm still scratching my head.
So I keep extensive documentation on everything good for you. I write down lesson learned, lesson learn If I walk out of a meeting where I'm uncomfortable, I write every word down in that moment.
I learned that from a lawyer. Exemporaneous notes.
I now, though you know, being the executive producer of the show and having two hundred and fifty employees. Actually don't meet one on one with people anymore. I'm rarely alone in a room with anybody smart.
I feel that.
One of the things that's going back to not regrets, but knowledge is power. I wish I had formed like I see you all on your trip together, and I'm.
Like, well, I'm getting invitation.
So I love that.
I wish I had.
Formed like this league of women like you all have when you go on your trip and you're able to talk and you're able to share those things, because I was one of one. And that's no excuse, but it was. I was so like, I got to get it done. And so I'm sure some people thought that I was unfriendly or quiet or to myself. I think that's what I don't think people think I'm unfriendly. I think they think I'm to myself, and I'm really not. I'm actually my house, you know, is filled. Most of my dearest friends aren't in the business, So I think that's why I can look like I'm off to myself. In fact, my team said, oh, you know, do you want what celebrity do you want to host it?
Now?
I have any celebrity friends. I have celebrity people who know my phone number and we call and laugh with talks. But my crew there nobody's in this business per se. But I wish I had done more to form these alliances, being one of the first in a lot of categories. But I can tell you the day that I was leaving NBC, I called Joy Read first. She was the very first person I called sweetheart, right, oh gosh, and we talked. We talk all day long age day. You know, I wish I had formed a league of women, you know, or something right. And I did it in Chicago a lot, but by the time I got to New York, the intensity was like off the chart. But I used to you know, I would have like dinner parties or I would say, let's all get together new restaurants, because when you're in morning TV, all the chefs come on and they always want you to come to their restaurants, be there, and so I would like have host little dinner parties at different restaurants.
So that is something that.
I wish i'd done more once I got to New York, because I needed it, and I know that others needed it because the first two years I was here. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Devil's Advocate. It's with Keanu Reeves and output. I know, it's brilliant. So it's this, you know, he comes from this small town and it's all beautiful, and he's in New York and he's beautiful people. They're gorgeous, and they're really monsters. They're like devils. It's a brilliant film. And I felt that way when I first came here. I felt like, gosh, beautiful people and parties and you know, red carpet and pop pa pop, and but then these people would peel their masks off and they were whole goblins. Yeah you know, Prince Us, I call them energy vampires. Let me tell you something that is a word right there, That is a word.
Do I have it? Do I have a dollar in my purse plate? He is preaching because it's so true. Yeah. Yeah, So when you realize that, I will say this, I too have the same reputation of sometimes being to myself. I do have my my good group of machete shut out to my girls, but that that was not of my own doing, you know, like Jamel would love Jamal Hill will tell a story of how when we first got the ESPN, I was just like hey and just and I was going to get in and get out.
My friends call me a social loaner. In fact, Jamel was correct.
I had we had Mexican food together those Joy read and Jamel like, we're the two people back to back that I spoke too sweetish, that was perfect easily. And so yeah, my friends, I'm a social loaner.
Yeah I can. And it's fine, but it also it's it's also protection and preserves you. It's all the things.
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Nake you ward before I let you go, because you really went here and shared so many things. I back to the work ethic. I don't know when you have the time, but you are on your second book now, and you have a series. You have a true crime series. You guys I can tell you about. You've seen her and you had a true crime show EMSNBC.
Yeah, INSNBC and Discovery Idea. I had a show called Deadline Crime with tammeron Hall and lasted for six seats and I ended this show after I did a case involving a pregnant woman in Oklahoma who was killed, and that case, along with another, became the inspiration for the mystery involved with Jordan Manning, the character that I created. So, Jordan is a black female reporter who has a forensic science background. She's a reporter in Chicago. Actually named her Jordan Manning. Falling asleep watching one of the sports things, I woke up out like Jordan, Okay, Jordi and man and that's her name. But she's our protagonist and she's a crime solving reporter, huge heart, hugely passionate, but also in her mid thirties trying to figure out life. And so what I did with this character is is bring I hope, this compassionate you know, bloodhound who if she's on the case, she's going to solve it. But you see the layers of what it's like to be a black woman in the news room, what it's like to be, you know, in this job that you love but wanting to have love. But at the end of the day, she's a tough cookie. And this is the second the Jordan Manning series. The first case was inspired by something I covered in Chicago, but I needed her to have the credibility. So I poured in my years at Deadline Crime, my thirty years of being a reporter, most of that crime, and then I had the luxury of fiction to create this juicy storyline, you know, with a very shocking ending. I mean I wrote this. The first years I wrote during the pandemic. The second I wrote in New York City. We were isolated with the first one. We have a house out in Long Island. So this one has a heartbeat, it has an intensity. It is it's it's it's a true thriller that I've just poured my heart into.
I was audible listening. I wouldn't like to tell you I was reading. I was not audible. Sales are off the charge, by the way, You're not alone. I was like, dang, I love it.
They gave me the sale numbers of it.
I was like, my god, I love it. I loved every moment of it, and then I was as I was coming in today and I was telling them, I was like, this is really good, and it's interesting because you take this character and it's loosely related to what's what's happened or perhaps inspired a little bit about what's happened to your sister, and you've shared the story. Do you find it is cathartic for you? Yeah?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
And I've talked about my sister being the victim of an unsolved crime and subsequently my work with survivors of domestic violence. And when I was writing this series, the case involves a missing mother of two and her advocate, if you will, is her sister, Shelley, and Shelley finds Jordan Manning and pleads with Jordan Manning to help her find her sister. And when I got done with the book, it was only after I got done with the book that I realized that Shelley this time around is me in so many ways, because we felt very helpless after my sister's death. We felt very unhappy with the investigation, and frustrated and angry and all these things that anyone would feel if a loved one was taken away. In this way, and so for me, Shelley became this character. Notes it was not the intention where you see some of what I felt and members of my family all poured into this character.
I love it. Thank you for being here, and we ran over continued love, health and wealth. Thank you, she wrote in so many.
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Wow right, wow, wow, wow wow. I'm gonna tell you my quick takeaways because I haven't I haven't done that in a while. The biggest takeaway, well, there were several. Thank you Tamrian, first off for being on the podcast, but the takeaway in which I said to you, this business is tough, but all businesses deal with women addressing sexual harassment. What you do and she just quite frankly said, Carrie, you've dealt with it. I've dealt with it. We all deal with it. Document everything. We don't have a perfect answer for that because we are not in a perfect place, and we are not in a perfect union. The society is not perfect. But ladies, he atten document everything. If you ever feel uncomfortable, if you ever feel like you're in a situation where you are being abused or treated unfairly, or someone is harassing you, document everything, especially in the workplace, more specifically in the workplace. And also I want to thank her for sharing her story about Harvey Weinstein. She said, no one's really asked her about Harvey. No one has really said, what was your relationship Harvey was supposed to do her show? Could you imagine your show being attached to Harvey Weinstein and you're like, oh my god, this is it. My show is done, it's never coming out, it's over. And here she is winning on all levels. The Tammeron Hall Show was in its fifth season, and to me, if that is not a message that says keep going, continue to push, continue to strive, to fight for what you want. I don't know what the heck is. I would have thought my show would have been dead in the water if it had any bit of Harvey's imprint on it. He's a pariah. The stories that are coming out about him are horrific. He literally was doing a casting couch and he knew he could do it with right, he knew who he could do that to. At least, it seems as if he was a predator on purpose, very specific a predator with purpose. Thank god Tammeron got out of that situation and look at her now, she's better for it. And remember, do not forget. Go out and purchase book number two in her true crime series. It's called Watch Where They Hide. It is a crime series thriller if you will. Following the likes of a true crime by the name of Jordan Manning, you can see that that person as mentioned in this entire interview is very similar to Tameran, so I think you'll enjoy it. Watch for Their Hide available everywhere you get your books and of course on Hampton. I hope you guys take some notes, go back and listen to it again. This is a special interview. Shout out to Tamaran again for coming on. Thanks to the crew a WTF Media Studios, you're doun on you go outside that much. Shout out to my crew as well. We'll talk to you guys next week.
