Last day.

Last day.

Hello, Hello, welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Hello, Hello, welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

A rewind if it's fine, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping one of our old shows with all new commentary, all new updates, which I don't think there can be old updates, and insights about one of the old shows we did.

A rewind if it's fine, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping one of our old shows with all new commentary, all new updates, which I don't think there can be old updates, and insights about one of the old shows we did.

Long of that's right, one of the old epps. And today we're looking back at episode thirty three, which we actually named what About Me Me.

Long of that's right, one of the old epps. And today we're looking back at episode thirty three, which we actually named what About Me Me.

She's been a big part of this podcast for nine whole years, that meme.

She's been a big part of this podcast for nine whole years, that meme.

That's right. She's holding on too.

That's right. She's holding on too.

She's living through it. Her and Frank, so join us today as we take you back to the two hundred and fifty second day of twenty sixteen. That's right, Thursday, September.

She's living through it. Her and Frank, so join us today as we take you back to the two hundred and fifty second day of twenty sixteen. That's right, Thursday, September.

Eighth, and now we can all be day one listener.

Eighth, and now we can all be day one listener.

So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty three, What about Mimi?

So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty three, What about Mimi?

Hi? That's how we started it this week.

Hi? That's how we started it this week.

Hi everybody, Hi, are you there? Hello?

Hi everybody, Hi, are you there? Hello?

Hey, that's Karen.

Hey, that's Karen.

Who's this?

Who's this?

That's Karen?

That's Karen?

Oh, and that's Georgia.

Oh, and that's Georgia.

Thank you answer our voices if you can't tell them apart, Oh, yeah, you do yours Okay, Hi, this is Georgia. I gasp into the microphone a lot.

Thank you answer our voices if you can't tell them apart, Oh, yeah, you do yours Okay, Hi, this is Georgia. I gasp into the microphone a lot.

Hi, this is Karen I sing and it lie And this is my Favorite Murder, which is a podcast where we talk about murders that happen that interest us and intrigue uts and hopefully make your time at work in the swimming pool or on a darkened road while you take a walk, go buy a little bit faster.

Hi, this is Karen I sing and it lie And this is my Favorite Murder, which is a podcast where we talk about murders that happen that interest us and intrigue uts and hopefully make your time at work in the swimming pool or on a darkened road while you take a walk, go buy a little bit faster.

Hey, you're welcome.

Hey, you're welcome.

Goodbye.

Goodbye.

Hey, that was it.

Hey, that was it.

It's such an effort to do like an official beginning of this fucking pod.

It's such an effort to do like an official beginning of this fucking pod.

Let's get into it. Let's fucking get into it.

Let's get into it. Let's fucking get into it.

Let's pass it all by.

Let's pass it all by.

He's keeping well, So Jacob, okay, so this is the thing we wanted to talk about that I said, don't fucking talk to me about and tell our podcast that right, which very stern. I'm very stern. So Jacob Weterling fat that has bought this. What is her thirteen year old kid who went.

He's keeping well, So Jacob, okay, so this is the thing we wanted to talk about that I said, don't fucking talk to me about and tell our podcast that right, which very stern. I'm very stern. So Jacob Weterling fat that has bought this. What is her thirteen year old kid who went.

He was kidnapped. He was kidnapped. It was him, his brother and a friend. They were riding their bikes to the store and a guy held them a gunpoint and told the other two to run away and took.

He was kidnapped. He was kidnapped. It was him, his brother and a friend. They were riding their bikes to the store and a guy held them a gunpoint and told the other two to run away and took.

Jacob nineteen eighty nine, which we have said many times that the eighties aren't going to be under arrest for being fucking shitty.

Jacob nineteen eighty nine, which we have said many times that the eighties aren't going to be under arrest for being fucking shitty.

It was not a good time for us as children.

It was not a good time for us as children.

Well, speaking of I just watched a documentary that is now on Netflix over the weekend called Who Took Johnny.

Well, speaking of I just watched a documentary that is now on Netflix over the weekend called Who Took Johnny.

I stared at that all weekend, going watch it, Karen, this is supposed to be your thing, And I couldn't bring myself to watch why because I've heard them talk about it all last last podcast and it is so dark and it's so creepy, and it is so not your average kidnapping. I just didn't want to have to take it in.

I stared at that all weekend, going watch it, Karen, this is supposed to be your thing, And I couldn't bring myself to watch why because I've heard them talk about it all last last podcast and it is so dark and it's so creepy, and it is so not your average kidnapping. I just didn't want to have to take it in.

I agree, there's a lot of information. The thing I took away from it, hold on, Johnny, I'm fucking reading. The thing I took away from it is that his mother, and like this is the only positive thing, is the biggest badass in the fucking world. So the whole thing, like kind of centers follows her around and what she had to go through, like when her son got kidnapped, and when the police seventy two hour waiting period for this little boy who in the dark on his paper route in the morning, his papers were left behind his adorable doc sund which was left behind, which why would you do that? And they said they thought he ran away. So she had to go to great lengths for years and years and became an advocate just like John Walsh's without a TV show for children, And it's amazing what she's done.

I agree, there's a lot of information. The thing I took away from it, hold on, Johnny, I'm fucking reading. The thing I took away from it is that his mother, and like this is the only positive thing, is the biggest badass in the fucking world. So the whole thing, like kind of centers follows her around and what she had to go through, like when her son got kidnapped, and when the police seventy two hour waiting period for this little boy who in the dark on his paper route in the morning, his papers were left behind his adorable doc sund which was left behind, which why would you do that? And they said they thought he ran away. So she had to go to great lengths for years and years and became an advocate just like John Walsh's without a TV show for children, And it's amazing what she's done.

I can't, I can't take it in.

I can't, I can't take it in.

You gotta watch it.

You gotta watch it.

And I just am so tired. I'm so tired.

And I just am so tired. I'm so tired.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

No, that's okay.

No, that's okay.

Well, but the Franklin cover up it comes into play. It's so hard to believe. I have such a hard time with so many of these. Like there's two things. One of them is that a guy gets arrested and says that he was one of the people who took Johnny Gosh and he became a sex slave. And the other thing is that the mom says that she saw him Johnny as an adult came to her door, and those two things, like, if you believe them both, it's a fucking insane story. If you don't, then it's a fucking insane story because people are crazy.

Well, but the Franklin cover up it comes into play. It's so hard to believe. I have such a hard time with so many of these. Like there's two things. One of them is that a guy gets arrested and says that he was one of the people who took Johnny Gosh and he became a sex slave. And the other thing is that the mom says that she saw him Johnny as an adult came to her door, and those two things, like, if you believe them both, it's a fucking insane story. If you don't, then it's a fucking insane story because people are crazy.

Yeah, everything about it is, you know, it's if it was just everything way of just the facts that you actually know it's an intense tragedy of just a child disappearing. It's the it's the worst case scenario, because then you're a grieving parent who never gets relief and what that might do to you. But then there's also the thing of it's just like I think the reason people like stranger things or whatever, it's that thing of, well, then you must be crazy if you are in grief to this degree. Yeah, you And of course with the mothers, with women, it's always you're crazy. And so a woman trying to get answers and get her child help and get some action when she's being deemed crazy, which is the ultimate stamp that people can negate you and your voice with.

Yeah, everything about it is, you know, it's if it was just everything way of just the facts that you actually know it's an intense tragedy of just a child disappearing. It's the it's the worst case scenario, because then you're a grieving parent who never gets relief and what that might do to you. But then there's also the thing of it's just like I think the reason people like stranger things or whatever, it's that thing of, well, then you must be crazy if you are in grief to this degree. Yeah, you And of course with the mothers, with women, it's always you're crazy. And so a woman trying to get answers and get her child help and get some action when she's being deemed crazy, which is the ultimate stamp that people can negate you and your voice with.

Yeah, she was saying, that's happening like men, men are stern, but women are shrill. You know.

Yeah, she was saying, that's happening like men, men are stern, but women are shrill. You know.

It's the patriarchy. It's the butts of the standard bullshit.

It's the patriarchy. It's the butts of the standard bullshit.

And yet she was able to change laws and be an advocate for children who have gone missing and and her grief into something useful and worthwhile, not that grief is not those things.

And yet she was able to change laws and be an advocate for children who have gone missing and and her grief into something useful and worthwhile, not that grief is not those things.

But no, that's great, that's amazing.

But no, that's great, that's amazing.

That's she's amazing. Uh, Yeah, I definitely. I know. It's a hard it's a hard case. But it's a really good, fine watchumentary. Fine, fine, fine, I quit your four jobs that you have and stay home and watch Who Took Johnny?

That's she's amazing. Uh, Yeah, I definitely. I know. It's a hard it's a hard case. But it's a really good, fine watchumentary. Fine, fine, fine, I quit your four jobs that you have and stay home and watch Who Took Johnny?

Here's what I did to and but sorry. We started that by mentioning that Jacob wetterlings remains were finally found, so his parents have rest. And there was a lot of people who sent us that. It makes me really happy that people send us those articles and they're so, you know, enthusiastically like, oh, it's such a nice idea to think that after all these years, those at least, at the very least those parents have a little bit of rest. Yeah, and a little bit like it just at least they know where he is.

Here's what I did to and but sorry. We started that by mentioning that Jacob wetterlings remains were finally found, so his parents have rest. And there was a lot of people who sent us that. It makes me really happy that people send us those articles and they're so, you know, enthusiastically like, oh, it's such a nice idea to think that after all these years, those at least, at the very least those parents have a little bit of rest. Yeah, and a little bit like it just at least they know where he is.

Well. I was so I read that about him being found, and they hadn't released a lot of detas tales about it. Now that there's more stuff coming out, like who like the guy confessed to it and that's how I found the body. But so the whole time I was watching Who Took Johnny? I was just and all these twists and turns that maybe was this, and it could have been this, and he might be still alive in an adult and all these things, and I couldn't help but just like picture this sad his bones buried somewhere remote and he has in the exact same way he looked when he got taken. And these crazy stories of what happened that are just not true, and in the meantime, these lonely bones somewhere. It just made me sad. I know, it's it's so tragic. It's heavy, heavy shit.

Well. I was so I read that about him being found, and they hadn't released a lot of detas tales about it. Now that there's more stuff coming out, like who like the guy confessed to it and that's how I found the body. But so the whole time I was watching Who Took Johnny? I was just and all these twists and turns that maybe was this, and it could have been this, and he might be still alive in an adult and all these things, and I couldn't help but just like picture this sad his bones buried somewhere remote and he has in the exact same way he looked when he got taken. And these crazy stories of what happened that are just not true, and in the meantime, these lonely bones somewhere. It just made me sad. I know, it's it's so tragic. It's heavy, heavy shit.

That's why I'm going to clumsily segue now into my next piece of housekeeping, because let's just let's not live there forever.

That's why I'm going to clumsily segue now into my next piece of housekeeping, because let's just let's not live there forever.

Sorry, did it get too dark?

Sorry, did it get too dark?

Not at all. No, this is what we this is what we like, but we can't just like you know, we have to do it. Yeah, I have an apology to make for anyone who heard me talk shit about the British procedural Rosemary and Time, because what I did this weekend was watch probably twenty episodes of Rosemary and Time, which is a hilarious. It's not supposed to be hilarious, but I found it so enjoyable, so relaxing. It's two like middle aged British women who are gardeners and they keep getting hired. It's very murder she Roadie makes ever, there's two of them and these two are so enjoyable to watch the murders, which is ludicrous. There's always two murders. Everywhere they go. People are dropping like flies. No one cares, they're never suspected. But half of more than half of the show takes place in the most gorgeous gardens you've ever seen, so there's a real like you can see them aiming at like probably like a sixty year old lady who's going to sit in her chair at night, nit eat some candy and watch this sh show.

Not at all. No, this is what we this is what we like, but we can't just like you know, we have to do it. Yeah, I have an apology to make for anyone who heard me talk shit about the British procedural Rosemary and Time, because what I did this weekend was watch probably twenty episodes of Rosemary and Time, which is a hilarious. It's not supposed to be hilarious, but I found it so enjoyable, so relaxing. It's two like middle aged British women who are gardeners and they keep getting hired. It's very murder she Roadie makes ever, there's two of them and these two are so enjoyable to watch the murders, which is ludicrous. There's always two murders. Everywhere they go. People are dropping like flies. No one cares, they're never suspected. But half of more than half of the show takes place in the most gorgeous gardens you've ever seen, so there's a real like you can see them aiming at like probably like a sixty year old lady who's going to sit in her chair at night, nit eat some candy and watch this sh show.

It sounds fucking amazing.

It sounds fucking amazing.

I was that lady this weekend and I fucking loved it. I was so relaxed. You have to see it. It's but one time someone asked me about British procedurals and someone recommended Rosemary in Time, And oh was I flippant about how that was Grandma Grandma crime show. And I don't care. Well, I apologize whoever I said that to you. I am one thousand percent wrong. I love Rosemary Time with the best of them, and Pam Ferris, and oh, I wrote their names down because Felicity Kendall and Pam Ferris are the two stars. They're so goddamn good. And Pam Ferris went on to star in a show called Call the Midwife, which.

I was that lady this weekend and I fucking loved it. I was so relaxed. You have to see it. It's but one time someone asked me about British procedurals and someone recommended Rosemary in Time, And oh was I flippant about how that was Grandma Grandma crime show. And I don't care. Well, I apologize whoever I said that to you. I am one thousand percent wrong. I love Rosemary Time with the best of them, and Pam Ferris, and oh, I wrote their names down because Felicity Kendall and Pam Ferris are the two stars. They're so goddamn good. And Pam Ferris went on to star in a show called Call the Midwife, which.

I also love a lot, which want was she.

I also love a lot, which want was she.

She is the nun that wears the habit all the time. She's like all business nuns. Yeah, it's like she looks like everyone in my family.

She is the nun that wears the habit all the time. She's like all business nuns. Yeah, it's like she looks like everyone in my family.

I love that show Call the Midwife.

I love that show Call the Midwife.

I love Call the Midwife. And she's she's like, holds it down on there. So she's been on British TV for like forty years.

I love Call the Midwife. And she's she's like, holds it down on there. So she's been on British TV for like forty years.

It sounds like a combination of murder, she wrote, and the Great British Bakeoff, Yes.

It sounds like a combination of murder, she wrote, and the Great British Bakeoff, Yes.

Where you're just kind of being soothed by British voices, a little violence, gorgeous flowers.

Where you're just kind of being soothed by British voices, a little violence, gorgeous flowers.

I mean you can't have one without the.

I mean you can't have one without the.

Other, and you shouldn't. And also they what I love is in a British procedural, you will watch them casually drinking tea. And I just love the fact that people like cut out time in the days now drink tea and eat cookies.

Other, and you shouldn't. And also they what I love is in a British procedural, you will watch them casually drinking tea. And I just love the fact that people like cut out time in the days now drink tea and eat cookies.

Think there's Boerman in there.

Think there's Boerman in there.

I am. I just saying that because I just had Bourman, and I mean it's probably everywhere, I mean deep down, I mean, as you on, Uh, this is all just like vodka, Hunderd Grain vodka.

I am. I just saying that because I just had Bourman, and I mean it's probably everywhere, I mean deep down, I mean, as you on, Uh, this is all just like vodka, Hunderd Grain vodka.

Other housekeeping housekeeping.

Other housekeeping housekeeping.

I think the Rosemary and Time apology was my number one housekeeping pretty much this week.

I think the Rosemary and Time apology was my number one housekeeping pretty much this week.

That was correction corner.

That was correction corner.

Yeah, that was a huge correction because also once again I've gotten it wrong with England.

Yeah, that was a huge correction because also once again I've gotten it wrong with England.

Oh hey, we're in Entertainment Weekly. Oh hey, guess what's right?

Oh hey, we're in Entertainment Weekly. Oh hey, guess what's right?

We just found this out tonight.

We just found this out tonight.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Someone very nice, HEEROI I'll look them up. They were like a stage mom that I've never had that gave a ship where they it's D Train. Of course, D Train's there for a QD train at D Train writes, hey, did you see this show in Entertainment Weekly? Congrats? And the answer was no, we absolutely have not. We didn't know it was going to be in there. We're in there with Atlas Obscuro, which is a rad website. We're in there. Was a band called Sunlit Youth.

Someone very nice, HEEROI I'll look them up. They were like a stage mom that I've never had that gave a ship where they it's D Train. Of course, D Train's there for a QD train at D Train writes, hey, did you see this show in Entertainment Weekly? Congrats? And the answer was no, we absolutely have not. We didn't know it was going to be in there. We're in there with Atlas Obscuro, which is a rad website. We're in there. Was a band called Sunlit Youth.

I'm sure young people love them.

I'm sure young people love them.

I'm sure that they're cool. It's like a bunch of dudes in stretched out white T shirts with really sparse facial hair.

I'm sure that they're cool. It's like a bunch of dudes in stretched out white T shirts with really sparse facial hair.

Can I read you my textics? Change about it with my dad please? So I send him the photo that D Train sent us, and I said, my podcast is an entertainment weekly, because you know, the only thing that seems legitimate is if are on television or in a magazine. That's right, Like, it doesn't matter if you're on the website, that's right. And he said, OMG, wonderful, very proud of you, go girl, Marty. Then he said comedian. I like the sound of that, and I said me too, And he said, is this on Facebook? I'd like to share it, Daddy.

Can I read you my textics? Change about it with my dad please? So I send him the photo that D Train sent us, and I said, my podcast is an entertainment weekly, because you know, the only thing that seems legitimate is if are on television or in a magazine. That's right, Like, it doesn't matter if you're on the website, that's right. And he said, OMG, wonderful, very proud of you, go girl, Marty. Then he said comedian. I like the sound of that, and I said me too, And he said, is this on Facebook? I'd like to share it, Daddy.

That's your job. Dad, Thanks, Dad, go ahead and throw that up on Facebook with a baby picture. Let's see it.

That's your job. Dad, Thanks, Dad, go ahead and throw that up on Facebook with a baby picture. Let's see it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's funny because I texted my sister, Adrian and Audrey, who are my hometown posse and all fans of the show. Not Laura. She doesn't listen to it.

Well, that's funny because I texted my sister, Adrian and Audrey, who are my hometown posse and all fans of the show. Not Laura. She doesn't listen to it.

Your sister doesn't go.

Your sister doesn't go.

She's like, I don't have time a fuck. And I literally have told her when she can listen to him, like when you drive after you drop off your daughter.

She's like, I don't have time a fuck. And I literally have told her when she can listen to him, like when you drive after you drop off your daughter.

My sister in law's the only one who listens to it in my family, Like my not related person is the only one can hear my voice, and I love it, hate me.

My sister in law's the only one who listens to it in my family, Like my not related person is the only one can hear my voice, and I love it, hate me.

Well, Audrey and Audrey and Adrian both totally listened to it. So I went onto our NonStop constant group text and just went, hey, you guys, look, we're in Entertainment Weekly. No one answered for a while, and then Adrian responded, what magazine is that? I'm like, I don't make me fuck say wow? And then no one answered for a while, and then I had written will someone please go buy one and give it to my dad? And so then nobody answers for a while, and then Adrian comes back and goes, Laura, are you on that? You're like hello, yeah, And I was like this is classic. And then I was like, sorry for bragging, and then my sister called me, of course, I'm so proud of you.

Well, Audrey and Audrey and Adrian both totally listened to it. So I went onto our NonStop constant group text and just went, hey, you guys, look, we're in Entertainment Weekly. No one answered for a while, and then Adrian responded, what magazine is that? I'm like, I don't make me fuck say wow? And then no one answered for a while, and then I had written will someone please go buy one and give it to my dad? And so then nobody answers for a while, and then Adrian comes back and goes, Laura, are you on that? You're like hello, yeah, And I was like this is classic. And then I was like, sorry for bragging, and then my sister called me, of course, I'm so proud of you.

Yeah. I sent it to my mom and dad. I haven't heard a word from my mother. Well hates me?

Yeah. I sent it to my mom and dad. I haven't heard a word from my mother. Well hates me?

No?

No?

Can I just shout out Yolanda, my sister in law, and how sweet she is? Is she listening? Yeah?

Can I just shout out Yolanda, my sister in law, and how sweet she is? Is she listening? Yeah?

Oh was she at the wedding? Of course I may have met her.

Oh was she at the wedding? Of course I may have met her.

Yeah, she's a doll.

Yeah, she's a doll.

Thanks, Yolanda. You're the most important kind of family, which is the family that listens to.

Thanks, Yolanda. You're the most important kind of family, which is the family that listens to.

It doesn't hate you for backing an egg over your their head and when you were five, that's right.

It doesn't hate you for backing an egg over your their head and when you were five, that's right.

There's no grudges, no old grudges with those in laws.

There's no grudges, no old grudges with those in laws.

All I've been in her mind is a great aunt, good time party goal, Yeah, good time party.

All I've been in her mind is a great aunt, good time party goal, Yeah, good time party.

Probably a good gift giver.

Probably a good gift giver.

I would say I'm terrible at good giving. Really, she's a great gift I'm a piece of shit.

I would say I'm terrible at good giving. Really, she's a great gift I'm a piece of shit.

What gift cards? It's all Starbucks gift cards everywhere.

What gift cards? It's all Starbucks gift cards everywhere.

I just forget. Yeah. More than that, I try.

I just forget. Yeah. More than that, I try.

To make it seem like as if I'm a Seventh day Adventist. I don't give gift either. Caroen Karen doesn't do that.

To make it seem like as if I'm a Seventh day Adventist. I don't give gift either. Caroen Karen doesn't do that.

Can we agree and we did this on our last birthdays that we don't give each other gifts?

Can we agree and we did this on our last birthdays that we don't give each other gifts?

Let's not do that for each other.

Let's not do that for each other.

Never.

Never.

No, I might. I might pick you up something and I.

No, I might. I might pick you up something and I.

See it totally.

See it totally.

It's like that's okay, well you're around. Yeah, But if it has to be on your birthday, I'm going to let you down.

It's like that's okay, well you're around. Yeah, But if it has to be on your birthday, I'm going to let you down.

I don't want you to be stressed out and then feel guilty. No way, I don't even we podcasted on your birthday and I didn't even know is your birthday?

I don't want you to be stressed out and then feel guilty. No way, I don't even we podcasted on your birthday and I didn't even know is your birthday?

Because I don't want to put that shit on people.

Because I don't want to put that shit on people.

But then I feel older.

But then I feel older.

I didn't know, I know, But what do you get I'm not on Facebook. I keep to myself. I'm a fiercely private person.

I didn't know, I know, But what do you get I'm not on Facebook. I keep to myself. I'm a fiercely private person.

Hey, it's my birthday today. You can't say that.

Hey, it's my birthday today. You can't say that.

Didn't it feel weird? Just now?

Didn't it feel weird? Just now?

Yeah?

Yeah?

All right, let's talk about murder. Are you ready?

All right, let's talk about murder. Are you ready?

That was called That was called family forum.

That was called That was called family forum.

That last part that was called working out friendship details, friendship rules. This is an important thing because I swear to God if I'm friends with the person and they give me some fucking three stacks of beautifully wrapped gifts and I'm like, get off. Yeah, we're not going to be I don't want this from you.

That last part that was called working out friendship details, friendship rules. This is an important thing because I swear to God if I'm friends with the person and they give me some fucking three stacks of beautifully wrapped gifts and I'm like, get off. Yeah, we're not going to be I don't want this from you.

You're going to be very disappointed when your rolls around getting this. Yeah, And then I feel obligated, and I wrote this card that's like, hey, thank you for.

You're going to be very disappointed when your rolls around getting this. Yeah, And then I feel obligated, and I wrote this card that's like, hey, thank you for.

Forcing this, like getting me out of me?

Forcing this, like getting me out of me?

Can I just take you for a fucking meal? All right?

Can I just take you for a fucking meal? All right?

Yeah? And actually you should and I will. I feel you owe me? Who went first last week?

Yeah? And actually you should and I will. I feel you owe me? Who went first last week?

I think you did?

I think you did?

Okay?

Okay?

Good? Am I wrong? All right? We're taking a quickie break. Stay tuned, and then my favorite murders are happening.

Good? Am I wrong? All right? We're taking a quickie break. Stay tuned, and then my favorite murders are happening.

And we're back.

And we're back.

Hello, Hi, I'm looking at the photo right now on Instagram that we took from that recording.

Hello, Hi, I'm looking at the photo right now on Instagram that we took from that recording.

Nine years even.

Nine years even.

I have not seen this photo since back then, probably.

I have not seen this photo since back then, probably.

Right of your house.

Right of your house.

Oh my god, look at everything. I know you could.

Oh my god, look at everything. I know you could.

Actually when I saw that picture, that's what I said, I go, I wonder if George's seen this lately, because that is just like it captured a moment of your old apartment, like with all your stuff and different things, and like what your life looks like nine years ago.

Actually when I saw that picture, that's what I said, I go, I wonder if George's seen this lately, because that is just like it captured a moment of your old apartment, like with all your stuff and different things, and like what your life looks like nine years ago.

It did. It was Stephen on the ground there, like what our whole lives were like back then in my cute little apartment. Oh my god, this is like I'm clumped.

It did. It was Stephen on the ground there, like what our whole lives were like back then in my cute little apartment. Oh my god, this is like I'm clumped.

Yeah, I mean, and I'm shit saying. It's almost like that's our point of view, like the other picture was Steven's point of view to us.

Yeah, I mean, and I'm shit saying. It's almost like that's our point of view, like the other picture was Steven's point of view to us.

But I idinitely took this one. That's my love seat. I think that I'm taking this from yeah, with my whiskey. My whiskey on the table. If you'll notice that it's a vintage Rocks glass, which I don't use anymore because there's.

But I idinitely took this one. That's my love seat. I think that I'm taking this from yeah, with my whiskey. My whiskey on the table. If you'll notice that it's a vintage Rocks glass, which I don't use anymore because there's.

Leads all that lead that you were drinking that night and that it gave Steven. Here's ephen, this will make you feel better. Yeah, we were talking about all kinds of I mean, we were talking about it, We've talked about it a ton. I said it then it's I feel the same way the Johnny Gosh case kills me.

Leads all that lead that you were drinking that night and that it gave Steven. Here's ephen, this will make you feel better. Yeah, we were talking about all kinds of I mean, we were talking about it, We've talked about it a ton. I said it then it's I feel the same way the Johnny Gosh case kills me.

You still can't handle.

You still can't handle.

It's one of those things where like I think part of the draw and I think the emotional interplay if I may and I and I may not.

It's one of those things where like I think part of the draw and I think the emotional interplay if I may and I and I may not.

I wish it would.

I wish it would.

This show is like or of any true crime kind of fans experience, is that you're looking into this like horrifying, you know, gaping maw of human mystery, I guess even mystery and misery, misery, pain, people being stuck in places with no answers.

This show is like or of any true crime kind of fans experience, is that you're looking into this like horrifying, you know, gaping maw of human mystery, I guess even mystery and misery, misery, pain, people being stuck in places with no answers.

Like unfathomable loss, yeah.

Like unfathomable loss, yeah.

But then also lost but then almost like a person coming back, like are they really there? Will we not? Like it's so heartbreaking everything about that, and it hasn't gotten better.

But then also lost but then almost like a person coming back, like are they really there? Will we not? Like it's so heartbreaking everything about that, and it hasn't gotten better.

And that's one of those cases.

And that's one of those cases.

Well.

Well.

The other one we mentioned was the Jacob Wetterling case, which I will mention every single time that season one of In the Dark that is about this case. When they were like days or a week before they were going to release the show, his murderer was caught. I mean, talk about timing. It's in. It's an incredible show, So make sure you check out season one of In.

The other one we mentioned was the Jacob Wetterling case, which I will mention every single time that season one of In the Dark that is about this case. When they were like days or a week before they were going to release the show, his murderer was caught. I mean, talk about timing. It's in. It's an incredible show, So make sure you check out season one of In.

The Dark, Season one of In the Dark.

The Dark, Season one of In the Dark.

Yeah, Entertainment Weekly, look at us go I need that Entertainment Weekly spread was really fun.

Yeah, Entertainment Weekly, look at us go I need that Entertainment Weekly spread was really fun.

That was a very cool moment.

That was a very cool moment.

Was this the spread or it's keep saying we were mentioned?

Was this the spread or it's keep saying we were mentioned?

Oh, it could be. Yeah, you know what the one where I screwed it up and was like, it's us in Sunlit Youth when it was supposed to be it's us and Local Natives so embarrassed. Oh, I apologized it on the next episode. But Local Natives is a cool band, and we were mentioned in there. But then I think maybe a couple months or a year later, was when it was the spread. That's right.

Oh, it could be. Yeah, you know what the one where I screwed it up and was like, it's us in Sunlit Youth when it was supposed to be it's us and Local Natives so embarrassed. Oh, I apologized it on the next episode. But Local Natives is a cool band, and we were mentioned in there. But then I think maybe a couple months or a year later, was when it was the spread. That's right.

Well, you know we were actually in my loft by that by when this photos got taken. That's how you.

Well, you know we were actually in my loft by that by when this photos got taken. That's how you.

Know that's right. That's how we know it's progressed in time forward.

Know that's right. That's how we know it's progressed in time forward.

That's right. Instead of having carpet, I now have like grayish wood floors that are just hideous, And that's how you know we've made it.

That's right. Instead of having carpet, I now have like grayish wood floors that are just hideous, And that's how you know we've made it.

That's how you know you're moving on up.

That's how you know you're moving on up.

Yeah, when you have fake gray wood floors.

Yeah, when you have fake gray wood floors.

Yeah, I liked that. We said to each other, we don't have to give each other gifts. It's very that's the way to do it.

Yeah, I liked that. We said to each other, we don't have to give each other gifts. It's very that's the way to do it.

That was relief. I think I have that relief when I meet other friends that are also like, yeah, I don't do gifts either, or like with events where it's like we don't really like he's not like hardcore about it and I'm and so we don't. I don't always feel to have to feel the pressure every year because he does so great and I do some you know right, It just happens when it fucking happens, not like it's not expected, and that almost makes it better when you get a gift or give a gift that the person's not like, you don't feel obligated to give.

That was relief. I think I have that relief when I meet other friends that are also like, yeah, I don't do gifts either, or like with events where it's like we don't really like he's not like hardcore about it and I'm and so we don't. I don't always feel to have to feel the pressure every year because he does so great and I do some you know right, It just happens when it fucking happens, not like it's not expected, and that almost makes it better when you get a gift or give a gift that the person's not like, you don't feel obligated to give.

Yeah. It's that kind of beholden thing where someone sends you something and you're like, okay, so then the thing I get you has to be equal, if not greater, in emotional value. The hard element of gift giving.

Yeah. It's that kind of beholden thing where someone sends you something and you're like, okay, so then the thing I get you has to be equal, if not greater, in emotional value. The hard element of gift giving.

Yeah. Yeah. Some people in my family like can insist on continuing to give adults gifts at the holidays. Yeah, And I just think it should be like just let's all just bring a dessert. That's the gift, you know, right, bring a box of C's and give the kids presents, like we don't need gifts anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. Some people in my family like can insist on continuing to give adults gifts at the holidays. Yeah, And I just think it should be like just let's all just bring a dessert. That's the gift, you know, right, bring a box of C's and give the kids presents, like we don't need gifts anymore.

I'm sorry this will be way off. Well it's on topic for what you just said, but it's a little off. But I think I told you this. You can go onto the C's website and design your own box, so you can just go through and do the exercise of what would you put together if it was your custom made box just for you to eat? And I did that one night simply just to pass the time.

I'm sorry this will be way off. Well it's on topic for what you just said, but it's a little off. But I think I told you this. You can go onto the C's website and design your own box, so you can just go through and do the exercise of what would you put together if it was your custom made box just for you to eat? And I did that one night simply just to pass the time.

Well, they send it to you in the mail.

Well, they send it to you in the mail.

So it can be whatever you want in there, but it's like, you know, how use the normal nuts and shoes, say, for.

So it can be whatever you want in there, but it's like, you know, how use the normal nuts and shoes, say, for.

Example, it's like, miss that's Vince's nuts and shoes, and I'm assorted, and then we fight about it constantly.

Example, it's like, miss that's Vince's nuts and shoes, and I'm assorted, and then we fight about it constantly.

Okay, the fight's over because if you go on there, you can split it down the center. You can do it however you want, fill the whole thing with caramel patties, whatever you want to do.

Okay, the fight's over because if you go on there, you can split it down the center. You can do it however you want, fill the whole thing with caramel patties, whatever you want to do.

You can get you fucking chocolate covered nuts away from me. I'm not a fucking hippie health nut like. Give me I am caramel. Give me fucking marshmallow. I want the like indulgent ones, not like I don't want trail mix when I'm eating dessert.

You can get you fucking chocolate covered nuts away from me. I'm not a fucking hippie health nut like. Give me I am caramel. Give me fucking marshmallow. I want the like indulgent ones, not like I don't want trail mix when I'm eating dessert.

You know, I hear you, I understand, But for me, the combination of their roasted almonds and like milk chocolate is so outstanding. But you know what I never had. And then I swear to God, we'll stop talking about this because it's not the right show and don't now. Yeah, and I'm so hungry. Have you brought those Scotch mellow bars there?

You know, I hear you, I understand, But for me, the combination of their roasted almonds and like milk chocolate is so outstanding. But you know what I never had. And then I swear to God, we'll stop talking about this because it's not the right show and don't now. Yeah, and I'm so hungry. Have you brought those Scotch mellow bars there?

Yeah? The fucking with the marshmallow and the caramel. Yep, it's ridiculous. That's the first one I go to whenever I open a box.

Yeah? The fucking with the marshmallow and the caramel. Yep, it's ridiculous. That's the first one I go to whenever I open a box.

It's like there's something about that combo. It's balanced so perfectly. Mary. See it just hats off to you once again. May I love you?

It's like there's something about that combo. It's balanced so perfectly. Mary. See it just hats off to you once again. May I love you?

And like so prime it's like an LA institution. I know, that's right, Jesus, I love it.

And like so prime it's like an LA institution. I know, that's right, Jesus, I love it.

She's a ballerballer baller.

She's a ballerballer baller.

All right, well, should we get into my story?

All right, well, should we get into my story?

Should we go back to talking about this episode? Yeah?

Should we go back to talking about this episode? Yeah?

This one, Yeah, this one. I had forgotten about this, and right, I forgot about the DNA thing at the very end, which is just mind blowing.

This one, Yeah, this one. I had forgotten about this, and right, I forgot about the DNA thing at the very end, which is just mind blowing.

So yeah, let's well, we'll let you tell us, but from twenty sixteen, this is Georgia's story about Gary Earl Leiderman and the Michigan murders.

So yeah, let's well, we'll let you tell us, but from twenty sixteen, this is Georgia's story about Gary Earl Leiderman and the Michigan murders.

We're back.

We're back.

And we're back and hi.

And we're back and hi.

Hey, all right Georges first this week. Okay, so are you ready to put your phone down and listen to me?

Hey, all right Georges first this week. Okay, so are you ready to put your phone down and listen to me?

I was gonna send you that picture you get me every good damn tongue?

I was gonna send you that picture you get me every good damn tongue?

What if I was that big of a dick?

What if I was that big of a dick?

Are you ready to listen? That's my one trigger is phone stuff.

Are you ready to listen? That's my one trigger is phone stuff.

No, I'm kidding. I don't give a shit about anything.

No, I'm kidding. I don't give a shit about anything.

I'm pulling this microphone forward and leading.

I'm pulling this microphone forward and leading.

Pay Go to instagram dot com slash my favorite murder to see a photo we just took.

Pay Go to instagram dot com slash my favorite murder to see a photo we just took.

Yes, I have no makeup on, neither do I.

Yes, I have no makeup on, neither do I.

And my pants are just completely unbuttoned and unzipped.

And my pants are just completely unbuttoned and unzipped.

It's my Alicia Keys photo. All right, I'm taking this.

It's my Alicia Keys photo. All right, I'm taking this.

Is it going to make a lot of noise?

Is it going to make a lot of noise?

Or I'm not. I'm not going to make one move.

Or I'm not. I'm not going to make one move.

Steven, you better tell her if she I just.

Steven, you better tell her if she I just.

Want to relax keeping an eye on her. Okay, give me the finger.

Want to relax keeping an eye on her. Okay, give me the finger.

All right? All right, So my favorite murder this week is that of Gary Earle Leederman and the Michigan murders, so it's kind of a it's kind of a mashup.

All right? All right, So my favorite murder this week is that of Gary Earle Leederman and the Michigan murders, so it's kind of a it's kind of a mashup.

Okay, all right.

Okay, all right.

In the late nineteen sixties, there was a serial killer targeting young women in the college town of ann Arbor, Michigan.

In the late nineteen sixties, there was a serial killer targeting young women in the college town of ann Arbor, Michigan.

Ooh.

Ooh.

He was called the co Ed Killer, who became known as a co Ed Killer, and he murdered women in and ran ann Arbor in a two year period.

He was called the co Ed Killer, who became known as a co Ed Killer, and he murdered women in and ran ann Arbor in a two year period.

Okay.

Okay.

His mo was picking up young women between the ages of thirteen and twenty one. Then he would rape, beat, and murder them, typically by stabbing or strangulation. Sometimes their bodies would be mutilated, which I don't get into. Don't worry, okay if you're a squeamish after death before being discarded in a desolate area. And he was also known to visit their bodies before they were found. Ooh, yeah, he was a fucking creep. Yeah, like a gross, fucked up, sadistic creep.

His mo was picking up young women between the ages of thirteen and twenty one. Then he would rape, beat, and murder them, typically by stabbing or strangulation. Sometimes their bodies would be mutilated, which I don't get into. Don't worry, okay if you're a squeamish after death before being discarded in a desolate area. And he was also known to visit their bodies before they were found. Ooh, yeah, he was a fucking creep. Yeah, like a gross, fucked up, sadistic creep.

He was. He was the og Ted Bundy. It sounds like, yeah, yeah.

He was. He was the og Ted Bundy. It sounds like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he was. Like I think, I don't know, I should have looked this up. But they must have had the term serial killer already because they called him that. But it was like before, this was like a known thing, right, serial killing. So two young women attributed to the co ed Killer had been found when the body of Jane Mixer, a brilliant twenty three year old law student at the University of Michigan, was found on March twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. She was found at a cemetery just west of ann Arbor, and it was assumed she was a victim of the serial killer, the co ed Killer, but some of the details of her murder were different than the established mo o of the co ed Killer. Jane had disappeared after posting a note on a college ride share bulletin board. Fuck right, I mean, oh honey. Yeah, she was seeking a ride across the state to her hometown of Muskegan, where she intended Oh god, this is the worst part. She intended to inform her family of her engagement and emminent moved to New York. Like she intended to inform everyone of the beautiful life she was building for herself. Yeah, and was excited to start.

Yeah, he was. Like I think, I don't know, I should have looked this up. But they must have had the term serial killer already because they called him that. But it was like before, this was like a known thing, right, serial killing. So two young women attributed to the co ed Killer had been found when the body of Jane Mixer, a brilliant twenty three year old law student at the University of Michigan, was found on March twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. She was found at a cemetery just west of ann Arbor, and it was assumed she was a victim of the serial killer, the co ed Killer, but some of the details of her murder were different than the established mo o of the co ed Killer. Jane had disappeared after posting a note on a college ride share bulletin board. Fuck right, I mean, oh honey. Yeah, she was seeking a ride across the state to her hometown of Muskegan, where she intended Oh god, this is the worst part. She intended to inform her family of her engagement and emminent moved to New York. Like she intended to inform everyone of the beautiful life she was building for herself. Yeah, and was excited to start.

She just had some great news. Yeah, it's like, oh, her parents had been waiting to for this day.

She just had some great news. Yeah, it's like, oh, her parents had been waiting to for this day.

Yeah. A guy she met at law school who was a sweet angel. They were going to move to New York and pursue their careers.

Yeah. A guy she met at law school who was a sweet angel. They were going to move to New York and pursue their careers.

Her sweet baby angle.

Her sweet baby angle.

I forgot about this. That's my saying hello, all right, thank you. Yeah, it makes me really sad. But you know, like I wonder how like there's one thing about hitchhiking that we are always like down hitchhike, But the other thing of like putting it. Hey, if anyone's heading to like fucking Miskeigan, are you ride?

I forgot about this. That's my saying hello, all right, thank you. Yeah, it makes me really sad. But you know, like I wonder how like there's one thing about hitchhiking that we are always like down hitchhike, But the other thing of like putting it. Hey, if anyone's heading to like fucking Miskeigan, are you ride?

I mean, in this day and age, I think it's a little bit better. Right, if you're going to do the head in nineteen sixty nine, don't get away from any corkboard of any kind. Yeah, there's nothing good is happening now, everything's laced with acid. Come on.

I mean, in this day and age, I think it's a little bit better. Right, if you're going to do the head in nineteen sixty nine, don't get away from any corkboard of any kind. Yeah, there's nothing good is happening now, everything's laced with acid. Come on.

Oh those were great quotes. Amazing.

Oh those were great quotes. Amazing.

Yeah, I'm really mad about it. I had no idea.

Yeah, I'm really mad about it. I had no idea.

No, it's ridiculous. So her body had been found in a cemetery atop a grave. She had been and we learned this from how to say this from Jean Benet Garrotted correct, Yeah, garreted garretted all right, with a nylon stalking and it wasn't her own stalking. It has come to kind of find out. But the way she died was that she was shot twice in the head with a twenty two caliber. She hadn't been beaten or sexually assaulted like the other victims of the co Ed Killer had, but she did have her dress pulled up showing her underwear, but it had been carefully covered up with her yellow rain coat afterwards, and her shoes and and her copy of Catch twenty two had been carefully placed nearby. So like this person took care.

No, it's ridiculous. So her body had been found in a cemetery atop a grave. She had been and we learned this from how to say this from Jean Benet Garrotted correct, Yeah, garreted garretted all right, with a nylon stalking and it wasn't her own stalking. It has come to kind of find out. But the way she died was that she was shot twice in the head with a twenty two caliber. She hadn't been beaten or sexually assaulted like the other victims of the co Ed Killer had, but she did have her dress pulled up showing her underwear, but it had been carefully covered up with her yellow rain coat afterwards, and her shoes and and her copy of Catch twenty two had been carefully placed nearby. So like this person took care.

It was like painting a picture.

It was like painting a picture.

Yeah, and like covering her body is such I mean, we all know what it means now, but back then, it was like we didn't understand, like that really meant caretaking this person.

Yeah, and like covering her body is such I mean, we all know what it means now, but back then, it was like we didn't understand, like that really meant caretaking this person.

Right, which means a personal relationship. Usually I didn't Yes, you're right, all right. I thought that's what you're saying.

Right, which means a personal relationship. Usually I didn't Yes, you're right, all right. I thought that's what you're saying.

No, but you're right. I just yeah, it means yeah, you're so smart. I'm just gonna hand this whole podcast over. You don't do it, by please don't do it. So four days after she's discovered the body, another body of the co ed victim the co Ed killer is found. Marilyn Skelton. She disappeared while hitchhiking, and Ann Arbor and her murder more closely resembled the m of the series Killer. I wrote, fucked up fact. Each woman up until this point, including Jane Mixer, had been menstruating at the time of their death. Oh what in the actual fact? What? What are the chances?

No, but you're right. I just yeah, it means yeah, you're so smart. I'm just gonna hand this whole podcast over. You don't do it, by please don't do it. So four days after she's discovered the body, another body of the co ed victim the co Ed killer is found. Marilyn Skelton. She disappeared while hitchhiking, and Ann Arbor and her murder more closely resembled the m of the series Killer. I wrote, fucked up fact. Each woman up until this point, including Jane Mixer, had been menstruating at the time of their death. Oh what in the actual fact? What? What are the chances?

Okay? Who works at the tampon store is my first as I'm.

Okay? Who works at the tampon store is my first as I'm.

Oh, you think it's a well? They wore sanitary napkins, like went up to their chins.

Oh, you think it's a well? They wore sanitary napkins, like went up to their chins.

Who sold the sanitary napkin belts? Did you just say that one up to their chin?

Who sold the sanitary napkin belts? Did you just say that one up to their chin?

Have you seen these things?

Have you seen these things?

Can I tell you a hilarious and very quick anecdote Always my friend Lisa Lanyon, who I went to hydeschool.

Can I tell you a hilarious and very quick anecdote Always my friend Lisa Lanyon, who I went to hydeschool.

You be saying her full name? Are you about to tell him now?

You be saying her full name? Are you about to tell him now?

She'd like it?

She'd like it?

Okay.

Okay.

I spent the night at her house one night and I went in to wash my face before we went to bed. I couldn't find anything to hold my hair back. And then I found this this, uh, this white elastic weird headband that had plastic clips on it. I was like, whatever, double it up, threw my hair back, wash my face.

I spent the night at her house one night and I went in to wash my face before we went to bed. I couldn't find anything to hold my hair back. And then I found this this, uh, this white elastic weird headband that had plastic clips on it. I was like, whatever, double it up, threw my hair back, wash my face.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Came out of the bathroom. Her mother started laughing so hard she could not breathe, and then Lisa was like, Karen, you have a sanitary napkin belt on your head.

Came out of the bathroom. Her mother started laughing so hard she could not breathe, and then Lisa was like, Karen, you have a sanitary napkin belt on your head.

The joke is on man, because of what the fuck?

The joke is on man, because of what the fuck?

It was like some old thing I think she I think the story was like her mom showed her like, this is what you used to have to use, and then threw it in the bathroom drawer. Oh my god, it was like some old thing she found of, Like, Lisa, can you believe this used to have? Her mom had this great Boston accent. Her mom was hilarious.

It was like some old thing I think she I think the story was like her mom showed her like, this is what you used to have to use, and then threw it in the bathroom drawer. Oh my god, it was like some old thing she found of, Like, Lisa, can you believe this used to have? Her mom had this great Boston accent. Her mom was hilarious.

That is the most beautiful story I've ever heard.

That is the most beautiful story I've ever heard.

I own. Her mom lost her mind when she saw me, and she was like, you are the funniest girl where I was like, I was just putting your band in my hair.

I own. Her mom lost her mind when she saw me, and she was like, you are the funniest girl where I was like, I was just putting your band in my hair.

How embarrassing. Loo good for you for washing your face before bed. Pro tip as someone who was open adult acne on her face right now, I always washed her face before bed.

How embarrassing. Loo good for you for washing your face before bed. Pro tip as someone who was open adult acne on her face right now, I always washed her face before bed.

Seriously, it's something that's very hard to do. Once you're in your like fourth episode of Rosemary time, you're like, I'm not getting off this couch.

Seriously, it's something that's very hard to do. Once you're in your like fourth episode of Rosemary time, you're like, I'm not getting off this couch.

Who cares. That's why within arm's reach at all times you have face wipes everywhere.

Who cares. That's why within arm's reach at all times you have face wipes everywhere.

Oh girl, tip for the lazy. There'll be more of those coming out. We're very lazy. That was a great segue. That was the best story. Okay, sorry, no, don't sorry. That needs to be the girl who makes those amazing cartoons of us. Oh yeah, comic strips of us.

Oh girl, tip for the lazy. There'll be more of those coming out. We're very lazy. That was a great segue. That was the best story. Okay, sorry, no, don't sorry. That needs to be the girl who makes those amazing cartoons of us. Oh yeah, comic strips of us.

Yeah, can she can? That lovely girl please make one of this story.

Yeah, can she can? That lovely girl please make one of this story.

Yeah, and give me a button nose, I demanded.

Yeah, and give me a button nose, I demanded.

Everyone keeps commenting when I put photos like drawings on Instagram of how that you have a button knows an amazing cheek bone and every drawing because you do. That's right.

Everyone keeps commenting when I put photos like drawings on Instagram of how that you have a button knows an amazing cheek bone and every drawing because you do. That's right.

You just bend people to your will. You tell me I'm pretty hair bless you not. McCarthy actually texted me button knows the other morning.

You just bend people to your will. You tell me I'm pretty hair bless you not. McCarthy actually texted me button knows the other morning.

He did shout out to that McCarthy. It was sarcastic. Yeah, but he listens, He listens and loves. Maybe he sarcastically listens.

He did shout out to that McCarthy. It was sarcastic. Yeah, but he listens, He listens and loves. Maybe he sarcastically listens.

No, I think he genuinely listens, but with being sarcastic about my button.

No, I think he genuinely listens, but with being sarcastic about my button.

Okay, so, Matt McCarthy, of that, we watch wrestling pot do.

Okay, so, Matt McCarthy, of that, we watch wrestling pot do.

You watch wrestling podcast if you like wrestling?

You watch wrestling podcast if you like wrestling?

All right, all right, back to the story, back to the murders, back to murdering. All right, so all had been menstruating, crazy, creepy, fucking weird and like seems linked, right, what are the chances?

All right, all right, back to the story, back to the murders, back to murdering. All right, so all had been menstruating, crazy, creepy, fucking weird and like seems linked, right, what are the chances?

What are the chances? That's insane.

What are the chances? That's insane.

So after three more murders of a thirteen year old named Don Luis Basin and twenty one year old Alice Elizabeth Callum, with his final victim, which was due to his capture, being an eighteen year old named Karen Sue Beneman, John Norman Collins, a former fraternity dude, was caught.

So after three more murders of a thirteen year old named Don Luis Basin and twenty one year old Alice Elizabeth Callum, with his final victim, which was due to his capture, being an eighteen year old named Karen Sue Beneman, John Norman Collins, a former fraternity dude, was caught.

He's that young, Oh he's just former.

He's that young, Oh he's just former.

No, he was. He was, Oh god, I don't know his age, but he was a young man.

No, he was. He was, Oh god, I don't know his age, but he was a young man.

He was in college yet college age too.

He was in college yet college age too.

Yeah, and honestly, like between you and me, he was fucking hot.

Yeah, and honestly, like between you and me, he was fucking hot.

Oh that's they're the worst, that's the fuck it. It's the Ted Bundy thing.

Oh that's they're the worst, that's the fuck it. It's the Ted Bundy thing.

Well, that's why these girls would get in his car and get on his motorcycle. He was a cute college Dude's not anymore. He's fucking gross but looking an old photo of right, he was.

Well, that's why these girls would get in his car and get on his motorcycle. He was a cute college Dude's not anymore. He's fucking gross but looking an old photo of right, he was.

No one's gonna drap thet guy.

No one's gonna drap thet guy.

And if a guy rolls up.

And if a guy rolls up.

And is like, hey, can you help me with my thing? And yeah, and they look creepy. People are going to go no, I can use my very basic senses to be like no, thanks.

And is like, hey, can you help me with my thing? And yeah, and they look creepy. People are going to go no, I can use my very basic senses to be like no, thanks.

Yeah, it's this automatic thing of trusting an attractive face.

Yeah, it's this automatic thing of trusting an attractive face.

That's right. Giving credit to being attractive. Is that means you're a good person, trustworthy person. So what does it mean that people think I'm a terrible person? Does that mean I'm not attractive? Nobody thinks that you're trying to give people rides Always you're rolling up and trying to get people to get into your car to not kill them. Yeah, just to drive him around and talk about your own stuff.

That's right. Giving credit to being attractive. Is that means you're a good person, trustworthy person. So what does it mean that people think I'm a terrible person? Does that mean I'm not attractive? Nobody thinks that you're trying to give people rides Always you're rolling up and trying to get people to get into your car to not kill them. Yeah, just to drive him around and talk about your own stuff.

Yeah. It just seems like to event sometimes when I say I went to therapy today, all I mean is I picked someone up and made them drive around with me for an hour.

Yeah. It just seems like to event sometimes when I say I went to therapy today, all I mean is I picked someone up and made them drive around with me for an hour.

You made them listen to you for an hour.

You made them listen to you for an hour.

Yeah, I'm gonna give him twenty bucks and dropped them off.

Yeah, I'm gonna give him twenty bucks and dropped them off.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hey. So, he had been interviewed by police previously but had been eliminated as a suspect, and part of the reason he was caught was due to the identification by a clerk of the wig shop which his last victim, named Karen, had visited. Yes, this was an episode of the crown to remember.

Hey. So, he had been interviewed by police previously but had been eliminated as a suspect, and part of the reason he was caught was due to the identification by a clerk of the wig shop which his last victim, named Karen, had visited. Yes, this was an episode of the crown to remember.

The one with the car. But it's like the one thing they knew about him, Like they had no idea who it was for a long time, but the one thing they knew it was like a blue car.

The one with the car. But it's like the one thing they knew about him, Like they had no idea who it was for a long time, but the one thing they knew it was like a blue car.

It was a motorcycle. Oh oh, is that the one where the little girl gets kidnapped like from her driveway? Yeah, and they knew the car.

It was a motorcycle. Oh oh, is that the one where the little girl gets kidnapped like from her driveway? Yeah, and they knew the car.

Yeah, and that turns out it was a guy that lived right in the neighborhood. Yeah, okay, I'm combining. Sorry, I'm come by.

Yeah, and that turns out it was a guy that lived right in the neighborhood. Yeah, okay, I'm combining. Sorry, I'm come by.

You're right though, So Karen the last Karen.

You're right though, So Karen the last Karen.

I've watched too many crime shows, all the same in my mind.

I've watched too many crime shows, all the same in my mind.

Now, So Karen, Hi, Karen the last person who was murdered by him That day, the day of her disappearance, had visited a whig shop and the clerk had remembered that Karen was visiting her store to purchase a hair piece and there was a young man waiting outside for her on a blue motorcycle. Ooh, And Karen told the clerk, I mean, man, this bums me out. Ready, She said to the clerk to observe the man with whom she had accepted a ride a cocky in a motorcycle stating that she had made two foolish errors in her life, purchasing a wig and accepting a ride from a stranger, and then she stated, I've got to be either the bravest or the dumbest girl alive because I've just accepted a ride from this guy. What are the fucking chances? She was then seen climbing onto the motorcycle before riding away with him.

Now, So Karen, Hi, Karen the last person who was murdered by him That day, the day of her disappearance, had visited a whig shop and the clerk had remembered that Karen was visiting her store to purchase a hair piece and there was a young man waiting outside for her on a blue motorcycle. Ooh, And Karen told the clerk, I mean, man, this bums me out. Ready, She said to the clerk to observe the man with whom she had accepted a ride a cocky in a motorcycle stating that she had made two foolish errors in her life, purchasing a wig and accepting a ride from a stranger, and then she stated, I've got to be either the bravest or the dumbest girl alive because I've just accepted a ride from this guy. What are the fucking chances? She was then seen climbing onto the motorcycle before riding away with him.

You know that makes me think of It's like when you get a bad feeling in your gut and you make light of it, that's right, and you feel like, oh, if I just say this to one person, it'll make it less a bad feeling.