My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia HardstarkRewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Last Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
Because you see, every Wednesday we take the time to recap our old episodes for you, but we add all new commentary, we add updates, and we add insights.
And today we're recapping episodes thirty one, which we named Noma Stay Sexy. Such a good name, so good.
So now join us as we take you back to August twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, and now you can be a Day one listener just like we are.
So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty one.
Well doesn't matter if you're ready, Stephens, as we'd be right like the real us. It is just be orrating Stephen. Stephen includes a seven second uh, just me ringing him before the episode.
It's like a what's it called when you're hostage and you're like trying to send a message to the outside world.
That Stockholm syndrome stock Yeah, that's right, Stephen has really bad Stockholm scender. Evil. We are starting now my favorite murder.
Karen, Karen, I'm just gonna your name, Karen Georgia, CA Daron Georgia.
We started the podcast. How do you feel so far? I can't stop. I'm great. How are you so bad? I don't know if you ever asked me how? I was like that? How am I do? How are you really are you? Let's have a moment of vulnerability. I feel a lot of anxiety about gosh, so many things. You know that weird Wednesday. We're recording this on Wednesday. Will we get it up in time? You know? Job stuff? I drink too much coffee all day? Am I drinking too much Dike coke to the point where I'm killing myself? Many do you drink Dike coke? Yeah? Oh, it's only like twenty three a day. I like that every episode.
Now you have to admit, like you have to confess something you do that's because you had smoke.
Told us you smoked cigarettes last time. I mean, I very rarely. It's not like I wouldn't call that. It's not a thing. It's just that's like my secret sneak away once in a while. I think you're in denial. I know, what's your big reveal? Oh, what's a good one. That's a good one. That's a fun one of adult acne. Okay, that sucks. I can relate to that.
Yeah, I don't like that.
That's about it.
That's all you're willing to know. I mean, my life is a fucking ope. I have nothing that I hide.
I feel like that's I think people can it helps you a lot in to our humanity. Yeah, when we're just sitting here going, you.
Know, gross, discussing horrible human this hideousness, and I make it a podcast, roast it better be a podcast, and I'll look at it. We're getting a lot of is very enjoyable and of course feeding the ego. A lot of people are doing like fan art picture things of us, which the thing, oh the thing I enjoy the most is there.
They always give me a huge nose. I don't think I have a huge note. Think you don't have a huge nose. I think I have a pretty button. You know you have a cute little button nose. I mean, thank you. I just want you to say, I've noticed.
I have a large jaw in them, which I actually have an undersized shaw hence my ends a lie.
That's right, but thank you, But you know what, but thank you. We're the most ungrateful assholes of all time. We have a couple of notes. Can you draw us? Better? Draw me? Everything?
I knows lots and if you want to make it onto Instagram dot com slash my favorite murder, you gotta draws.
It's true to life. There's some really good ones of us, really awesome drawing where like you look at it and go, oh my god, this looks like we have a comic book. Yeah, which is super cool. So thank you so much. You're fucking backpedaling so hard right now. I'm embarrassed. Don't be Go to go to the Instagram and you'll see a bunch of that. Like we post that show, we post all of them. We post everything that we see and find that you guys send us. I love it all. A lot of people made us new logos that say the funckword murder Mystery Show, which we really love and appreciate. That was thank you. That was good times. Yeah. And also I just wanted to mention on the Twitter page, we got quote a million shout outs from Sweden, these guys who have a podcast called the Power Meeting Podcast, and it's a tweet that said a million shout outs from Sweden, which I didn't know until I read it that that's all I've ever wanted in my life. A millia shout outs from Sweden. Also, Australia loves us. Fuck yeah, Australia. You renumber five in Australia. That's amazing. That's that's a big place, right. They must not be about accuracy down there, because I feel like everything I've ever said about Australia on this podcast has been deeply wrong. Well, we did an Australian murder once, so maybe that's why.
Oh that's right, they like love us for doing that, because there's some good ones there.
There are some amazing ones yours. Was it was the son who washed his clothes before he did anything?
Yeah, he murdered, he went on a paper route, murdered, his fucking family, lamed his dad washed his clothes?
Or was that New Zealand? Fuck no, I think it was Australia. Watch the numbers plummet. Oh my god, why did I even bring this up? I don't know I brought it up. Okay, this is all your Oh. Also, we got a tweet from Glitter Pizza ninety one God bless your heart said why not at the end of every murder, why don't you ring a gong? Which I read out of context, just read as a random tweet and it made me laugh very hard. Then I understood. I saw a bunch of other tweets that said, what's that noise? What's that creepy spooky noise that we keep hearing? And it was we got Steven set us up with these awesome mic stands. Yeah, they look like what you see, like real radio people yeaking. So we don't have to like touch our mics and make noise anymore. But what we did was we touched the mic stands and we were making the springs because I can't sit still, right? Is that super loud? That's it? It's perfect. Okay, yeah, I makes the sound.
Listen, I have a d D, I think, right, that's what my psychiatrist tells me. Okay, I can't fucking sit still. I want to move around, I know, but it's you know, I'm gonna sacrifice fat for the podcast.
Well, we really appreciate it. Thank you speak for everybody, thank you and myself. You have a button nose, thank you, two eyes made out of coal.
Oh we also had a We just ended our last two shirt sales and we are giving half the money to end the backlog dot org nice.
How much does that do? I say? Because what if it's like, that's not What if they're like, well, it was just a one month says right, we're sending two grand to end the backlog dot work. It's right good. I don't know more than they fucking had before.
I got so freaked out when I posted, like, hey, we're going to get fifty percent to end the backlog, because I expected people this is the opposite of what happened. But I expected people to be like, only fifty percent. You're just being so you're being so greedy, And then all these people are like, that's so incredible. I'm like, oh, okay, like I've just been being hard on myself.
Yes, I mean, I think it's just weird to be in this position where you can actually put something out, have people buy it, and then actually give money. Yeah, it's like a neat cool thing. But also we've never done it before, so everything feels wrong and bad and weird.
Is there anything else that you love right now? Well, anything going on in the news. We know John Maine's brothers get.
Oh did you watch?
Yes, you and I both looked at each other at the exact same moment watching that trailer that John Benet doc You series trailer.
We have to watch it together. I insist you watch it.
Can I tell you something what a magazine wants us to do a recap every night of it?
That's awesome. I know. The trailer gave me freakin' chills. Okay, we watched the trailer at work today and I love the people I work with because they're super into shit us too. And when it got to the part trailer spoiler, when it got to the part where they have reconstructed the Ramsey's house, the room by room recreated down to the detail of shit, that was like leaning against the wall, life changing. These people are going these these investigators, these these very qualified people.
From all walks of criminal forensicness or criminality, criminality.
They're going to be able to walk through and talk about and stage things that happened.
Do you think they'll come to a conclusion It clearly in the trailer you can tell that they're going to. They're like, yeah, there was no this is not an outside job, motherfuckers.
I mean that's what they're leading you to believe. That's true.
And then like oh oh, when they played the when she hung up the phone and you can hear her in the background, I still don't hear it.
Do you have you listened to them? I mean when they say like they reduced all the.
Sound, yeah, and they hear her say I'm not talking to you. Yes, I still don't hear it, do you No?
But I feel like that's almost like one of those ghost investigations where they're like, do you hear it? And then they put the subtitles and you're like, I guess I hear If you want me to hear it all here, totally, I'll hear whatever you want. Yeah. My thing was because everybody at my job, everybody pointed out like the thing that freaked them out or that they liked the most, and mine was that when Patsy Ramsey said I love that child, she did it with her eyes closed.
That was the creepiest part is both of them being both of them speaking, was so fucking eerie.
Yeah, and two camera like basically clearly some lawyers said you have to go out there and tell these people you didn't kill your daughter, and you have to make a statement. And when Patsy Ramsey said I didn't kill my daughter, and then she closes her eyes and goes, I love that child, and then they stay closed, like to me that I just love those Like that means something. I don't know what if. Also saying that child means something because it's like she's not saying my daughter Jean Benet. Yeah, it's like that child. Yeah, I was like that child.
She can't take take ownership of the Thingmber.
Did you ever watch the show Lie to Me with Tim Roth where it was all about the person that read micro expressions and it was like a whole company.
No, Oh, I know someone had worked on it that I dated, So I didn't watch it.
Oh yeah, because you're mad. No, he was very nice. Oh, I don't want to step on a set. I just love that show because that's kind of stuff of like being able to interpret what people are really doing underneath how they mask and they.
Point it out and they're like, would they like pause it and be like this thing right here and that thing?
Oh? I love that. Yeah, yeah, you should watch that show. It's pretty good. I don't know if it's on anything, but okay, well did you catch up on the night of We've only got one episode, Loud, I gotta say you're out.
Everyone telling me about stuff about it and talking to other people about it has made me want to watch it less.
You're so fucking punk rock Georgia. I swear to god, you're just like anything mean right now. No, I mean it in that way of like you're just like you know, and I don't have to like it. If you like it, it's a good way to be, I respectful. But I think that's how I think that's what it is, where you're like, does everybody like it, then everybody can find Well.
What everyone's telling me about it, thank you. That actually means a lot to me.
But what everyone's telling me about it is like I don't care about the prison stuff.
I want the trial stuff. And from what everyone's someone said to me. Someone was like, and I'm not gonna take responsibility. I don't remember who said. It was like, listen, I watched Orange is the New Black. I don't need to know what's going on in prison, like so the.
Same, It's totally the same.
I'm just like, I don't I want to know that the way that they find out, how the investigation goes, how the trial goes, stef in prison, I don't care about.
Right I you know what, I feel the same way because I find and this is you're gonna this is gonna blow your mind. I find prison to be really depressing, So I don't want to know. I fear going there to hurt you. As a child, I a prisoner, it was a warden. Yeah, I don't like. I know, it's living hell. And there are many many people in this country that are there. Yeah, and that's awful to me.
Especially people are there that like, oh, it was really hard for me to watch and get taken in to get out. Let's call it when you get processed in.
Yeah, because it's like no one gives a shit about you and immediately or just trash. Yeah, like the way you know when you wait.
And line it a post office and you get to the next teller and you can tell they've had a hard day and they fucking hate everything. So you can smile and be like hi, and they be nice and so they'll give you a better experience and be happier.
Yeah, you can't do that in prison. What am I supposed to do? I didn't learn to be polite for nothing. Oh, it's like I mean, and it is like we talk a lot. We talk a big game about like send them do way for it, because we talk about these specific stories where people cut off fifteen year old girl's arms, yes, and leave them to die, and these horrible cases. And of course you want Larry Singleton to disappear from the planet, but the reality of a human being in a prison is a nightmare and like and so I'm not saying I'm not a hypocriter that I can't rectify those two things. But it's yeah, watching it. What I love it that in that show is that they're laying in It's just really good writing. And I really like to watch good writing. It may it makes me feel smart. And again I'll say it for the millionth time, riz Ahmed, I don't.
Someone made up made that I want his DNA inside me. A couple of people made someone to Valentine last last week. I said, you're serious, killer, Valentine. Yeah, yeah, I said, I want his DNA inside me, the meaning I want to have his baby because he's so cute that I want like that, But just didn't sound like that.
No, it's literally the most not cute kind of discussing thing. But that's not what you meant.
Okay, you know what I don't like about I don't like innocent people in prison that people like Larry Singleton deserve to be in prison. Good have a fucking horrible time, but innocent people. Oh my god, that terrifies me.
It's horrible and it's happens, and we all know what happens, and it's incredibly stressful. Yeah yeah, all right, but I like it. It's to me, it's worth the stress. And there's things that are happening and are exciting. I won't not try it. It does disappoint me that. I mean, I don't know what happened. Maybe I'll watch the last episode. Is that? Okay? Can I do that? Yeah? It's your life? Jump in, jump out? I don't know. Yeah.
Can they please bring the family back on ABC? That's all I ask?
Is that all you want this Christmas? That's all I want for Hanka Christmas? All right? I think that's it? Right? Are you got? I think you need to? Got nothing? Yeah? Is this? Are we now? Is forty five minutes in? Basically first this weakay, okay, go and tell me I am Mine is short too, so take your time.
Okay, we are back from the intro. Caaren Remember when podcasts used to just be audio and you care whatever you want, You could sit whoever you want just.
Do you like? I think that's really where that saying came from. As some podcasts in twenty.
Sixteen, it was a beautiful, glorious time of just being you. Do you think we would have started a podcast if we had known that video would have been?
Was like, I certainly I can get my answer before I finish the sentence. Fuck, No, are you kidding? A middle aged TV writer being like, yeah, let me get in there and make some clips and make some content for what is it? Jen? Alpha? No? Thanks?
Yeah, I mean the one positive thing I can think of about it all is that I'm learning a lot of new makeup tips and tricks, which I didn't think I would do so later, like late in life. I thought about them all down, you.
Know, but now you're what what are you getting?
What do you My face is falling and so I have to like do different things to it.
What tricks have you learned.
That how to stop your face looking like it's fucking falling? What's the trick?
I don't know.
Bronzer. I think it's a bronzer. I mean, it's also like some kind of weird eyeshadow thing, you know.
Just layering layers and layers of makeup that'll do it.
Yeah, like make shadows if they don't exist essentially. Yeah, No, it's been a nightmare. Like I not a nightmare.
It's great.
I'm lucky, but like I've gotten all my filler dissolved because like you can see the bumps in the video, Like I can totally see everything that's wrong now.
I mean, I feel like we've never been strangers to our own flaws and uh foibles. And then yeah, it's just a new way of it's a fun thing and it's like where podcasting is going. Yeah, just kind of like the option that you need to give people. But it definitely is distracting. Yeah, and it distracts the mind. Ye as we.
Perform, do you know us though, we you know, we change along with the times like we are with it.
That's what we like to do. Right now, this show is not on video, So I'm wearing just a towel on my head just for just got out of the bathtub.
I'm literally wearing a shirt that says bullshit on it really big and this is what we're doing and that's it all right. Well, I like how in that we just did a new intro because there wasn't that much going on in this intro. Some of our old intros are just chock full of insanity, but this mostly is like that we are so stoked to.
Only be audio. Yeah, and then me loving the Night Of and you need so much.
That was a long running discussion or topic of discussion in this podcast.
I think it was like a first because I I remember and tell me if I'm wrong. When we first talked about the Night Of, we had both watched it, yes, like unplanned right, So then it was like, oh did you see it? Was that feeling?
Yeah? And then I lost interest, but you know, rizam Ed kept doing it for you.
Oh, was such a good job.
It was all right, well, shall we get into your story? And also like the reason this episode's called Noma stay sexy absolutely Okay, let's hear Karen's story from this episode thirty one about the Lulu Lemon murderer, or as I liked to say back then, not on purpose lou Lamon.
Here we go, Okay, mine is I wish I had four months to research this because the first time I heard of this murder, I thought, oh, who cares? Not about the people? But that's not my style, Like like, as we've said a million times, but like Silence of the Lambs is my ideal murder everything situation. You've got a weird hero killer that's got an m O and a and a.
And a creepiness, yet has always been this crazy way.
It's not like he's it's not a one off, it's not a crime of passion, it's not whatever. That's I find that extreme criminal mind thing fascinating. Okay. So when I first heard about this crime, I was like, oh, that's not that's not my thing at all. And then but it kept coming back, Like you, I would see it every once in a while looking for other stuff, and then I finally started looking into it, and it is so fascinating. All right. So it's the Lululemon murder. Oh yes, in Bethesda, Maryland. That is fascinating. I didn't know that. I know. That's definitely not one that I would have looked into. Okay, I'm excited me too. Things us. So I first heard of it. I think it was like a year ago or something. I was doing tig Nataro's. Tig Nataro has a comedy festival every year called the Benson Ball in DC, which is where she's from. And so whoever was driving us to the theater that night, we drove down the street and we passed to Lululemon. I don't think it was the one we were driving by, because the Thirsda I believe is north of Washington, d C. But he brought it up and told the story love him, and he basically just said, oh, did you hear about that really terrible crime that happened at Lululemon. It was really bad, you know, and it was basically one of the employees killed another one. And so I was just like, you know what, I know. Now we're talking yoga pants, We're talking time of passion, and I'm not interested in any of this.
For anyone listening and doesn't know, Lulu Lemon is a fucking high end kind of When I see girls wearing yoga pants with Little Lemon, I'm like, Oh, you spent a lot of money and yoga pants and didn't buy im a rite aid.
Yeah, you're better than me. Crazy expensive, like they're almost it's it's like Louis Vauton of yoga pants, which is a hilarious paradox of this is yoga.
Yeah, And they have like the the like logo out so you can see them.
Oh hell, yeah, you know what I mean.
Yes, instead of hiding your shame, they put it out there. Right.
So when I first googled this, a couple of Huffington Post articles came up, and one that I really liked is buy a girl name, believe it or not Elizabeth Licorice and great, that's what she wins. Yeah, and she's amazing. She's all red and her skin is twisted. Ah no, no, cancel it, Stephen Mark even mark that concept. Oh okay. So she wrote an article called Lululemon's cult Cold Sure, get fit or die trying. So this girl started working at Lululemon. That's how you pronounce it.
Right, Lululemon. Yeah, I don't give a fucking shit. Okay, it sounds right.
It's how it's spelled, and that's what I assumed. And then on Luliman, I think it's Luliman, but there's an extra Lulaman would be there's too many lows, all right, So I think it's Lemon. Let's call it. Let's not give a shit, okay, all right, So I think you're right. I think you're right. It has this girl worked there and so she's talking about what a creepy like culture this business has, which is very funny because like when I worked at the Gap in the nineties and I only worked there for a year, I really hated it. But it is this thing where they want you as a person that's getting paid yeah shit, and mostly working part time so they don't have to give you full time benefits all that stuff, but they still want you to really dig care about it. Yeah, this the culture, the retail culture, replied, and if you sell this, you'll get this, and we have to get our numbers up here. Meanwhile, down Fisher, the owner at the time was making like billions of dollars. So it's so I can see where that was in the nineties. It's now, you know, twenty years later, and they have refined this concept. So it's like branding and marketing and you know, lifestyle choices and it's all that. I bet. It's the kind of thing that they don't call you an employee, they call you like a team member or whatever the fuck the di master. So this girl, yeah, this girl worked there and talked about but she said, Lula alone wants you to know it's elevating the world from mediocrity to greatness and creating components for people to live long, healthy and fun lives. But if you dig deeper, you find about Yeah, you can't do that in fucking pantcy about a target. No no, no, no, you have to get really superficial to rise above media. But if you dig deeper, you'll find you'll learn that about Landmark Forum. No they don't. Yes, which isn't the ultra secretive, early cultish educational series which Lululemon employees are strongly encouraged to attend up. Yes, Now, now I know. I have a friend who did Landmark Forum and is like, I believe in it. I think it's great. And I said, yeah, but isn't it a crazy pyramid scheme where you basically have to bring people in and you spend thousands of dollars And he goes, yeah, but I just didn't do that, Like I got what I wanted and I left, and I'm like, well, you're you're a strong willed person. But I think it's one of those things that like it's like st or anything that just it makes money off of people kind of going this is the answer to my life and then trying to get everyone they know into it, so I see, so sad. So they encourage their employees to, uh to go to the Landmark Forum, which is bizarre to me, so bizarre. And before you're in line for Landmark, you're bombarded with Brian Tracy motivational CDs and a book club club that culminates with Atlish rugged. Oh shit, So it's not it's so it's like get that money and get yours and empowerment, but in this weird CULTI way, which also it's like, this is your job, this is your retail job. Yeah yeah, so uh they uh. She said. All of it made walking into work feel like she was time traveling to Salem, because with the Lululemon, Creed and Catechism comes a collective mentality that thrives on scapegoats and leaves you feeling worthless if you subsist on anything but spring water and kale. Once another employee sneered at me from across the floor and said the soda I happened to be enjoying would wrop me from the inside out. Eventually, we were all issued reusable acrylic cups and forbidden to drink anything but water. Oh my god, stop it so this is I'm I'm just trying to paint a little bit of a picture. And I really encourage if you're slightly interested in this to look up these articles because it's pretty fascinating how many directions that goes in of yeah, that sounds like a fun read. Yeah, well, and just the intensity of a retail job.
This is like, it bums me out so much to think that what people expect from you when they're not willing to give you any respect at all or.
Write, uh every about when you work there, Everything about you is inventoried and measured in terms of authenticity and integrity, which sounds reasonable until you realize your yoga mats on a sweaty, slippery slope, that missing your extra that's this I'm still reading for the article, uh, missing your extracurricular kickboxing class, taking too long to pee during your break, or falling to throw or failing to throw a kitchen party. And then she says in parentheses, don't ask what in the fitting room means you're deficient in character and devoid of morals? What's a kitchen party? I'm gonna ask. We have to find out, But it's like, I think it's in you know, secret in house language. Those girls happened to just be older, sportier versions of seriously cutthroat sorority sisters. So that's one person's take about what it felt like to work there. So what's kind of to go along with that? This company's had a lot of controversy since they started. It's a Canadian company. They've opened in I think, well in two thousand and two, to mark the opening of their second store in Vancouver, they offered a free outfit to anyone who would stand naked on the street for thirty seconds.
Are you fucking how about for people who can't afford them and are homeless?
You've fucking assholes? But like, also, so it's a store that's mostly women's clothing. Yeah, and you're basically trying to get ladies to stand around naked, so you give them their one hundred and forty dollars yoga pants, Like so sad you're asking them to exploit themselves. Yeah, Oh my god, that same owner. I can't find any his name right now. He in an interview with the National Post business magazine, which sounds very Canadian to me, but I'm not sure. He said he purposely named it Lululemon with lots of l's because quote, it's funny to watch Japanese people try to He also wants blogs that breast cancer quote came into prominence in the nineteen nineties due to all the cigarette smoking power women who were on the pill and taking on the stress previously left to men in their.
Why I'm going to Lulu murder you piece of shit?
Name is sorry, that guy's name I'm trying to Oh, that guy's name is Chip Wilson. And of course later on everybody heard about the uh they in I think it was twenty eleven, Oh no, sorry, twenty thirteen they had to recall their line of Luwan yoga pants because they were sea through. I remember that they were sea through. I've seen girls gee strings from behind yoga before. And then that same CEO oh on when he was interviewed on Bloomberg TV about it, he asked he was asked what the nature of the pants recall was, he said, quite frankly, some women's bodies just don't work for it. It's more about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure there is over a period of time, You fucking nick. So he's basically saying, if you're not emaciated, you can't wear our yoga pants, and if you do, it's your fault. Yeah. Yeah, so he's a superstar. After he said that, of course, he was asked to step down from being the CEO because it's you know, at the time it was twenty thirteen. So so I'm sorry, sir, that it's not nineteen forty five anymore. You can take that shit elsewhere. In two thousand and seven, they had a line of clothing called Vita s c Sea, which the company said was made from seaweed fiber and according to the tags, they said it released marine amino acids, minerals, and vitamins into the skin upon contact with more did it stin? Did it think? Reducing stress and providing anti inflammatory, antibacterial, hydrating, and detoxifying benefits bulls? So the New York Times, that's exactly right. The New York Times commissioned a laboratory tests of a shirt made from Vita se and there was no significant difference in mineral levels between the Vita See fabric and a plane cotton T shirt. In other words, the labs found no evidence of seaweed in the lemon clothing at all to do that we're not done. In two thousand and eight, a mother and daughter found a hidden message in the shopping bag. Underneath a layer of inspirational quotes such as friends are more important than money, there was a second note that said quote some brief or quick fix instance in well, start over. Some brief or quick fix incidences when our minds are clear to be creative are when drunk or stoned, or just after an orga. What does that mean?
Okay, so they're promoting being drunker, stand to orgasts.
Or having an orgasm so that you can be creative. And this is inside a yoga pants bag. So they had this. It turned out that they had printed this up. Initially people saw it and were like, what the fuck are you doing here? Well, the other the other quotes were the athletes high is the most long lasting, as it can last up to six hours, and there's a little difference between addicts and fanatic athletes. Both are continually searching for a way to remain in a creative state. So it was all just weird. They were very pro drugs and sex. And then a couple of people got the bags and were like, what's wrong with you? Guys, this is a yoga pants store. So they took the bags and just sewed over them with friendship is more important than money. But all you have to do is wash the bag a couple of times. And then the other label came out. Oh I bet those are worth some money on eBay. It's pretty hilarious. H and also creepy like you're getting wed messages anyway. Yeah, And they just the answer back when when that happened was not an apology. They were basically like, we're about speaking our mind, We're about living in this, having new ideas and new experiences. And they basically were like, yeah, we do what we want. We're trying to inspire people.
So oh my god, uh so yeah I have yeah, go on just how you're saying how.
Yeah, but also but also good for them, but don't shop there, like I don't. They can do that. It's fine, you can do that. Like, here's the thing. Yoga is a practice that's about connecting to yourself and connecting, you know, having a body mind connection so that you are more in yourself and calmer, more normal. It's not about spending money, yeah, not about being better than your sorority sister.
To get a mantra for transcendental meditation is fucking three grand, Like, how do you how do they?
Well, no, that's based on how much money you make. But I mean, I'm not defending it because it's it costs money. But what I'm saying is this is a store that's creating that culture of you will spend money always, and you will spend money on bullshit because we're gonna lie straight to your face and say that our clothes are made of detoxifying seaweed. That's crazy. So anyway, that's just a little background, right. So the worst thing that happened to them, of course, was in twenty eleven. On the morning of March twelfth, an employee entered their store, BESDA Maryland store, and she actually went in she heard something inside I think it said, and so she went and got a guy off the street and said, you have to go in there and check. I'm supposed to open the store. And there's weird noises and the guy walked into like a bloody scene, and it turned out that Britney Norwood and Jana Murray were lying in the store. Jana was dead and Britney was tied up bound hands and feet. Jenna had a rope around her neck and hammer knife wounds to her head, and she had been repeatedly struck with a metal stand. Later on, the medical examiner found out she had three hundred and thirty distinct wounds on her body. Oh my, how long would that take to hit someone three hundred and thirty times? And how much rage? And how personal? That's like ten minutes of hitting. It's insane, overkilled. Yeah, so they when the cop touched Brittany, she flinched, and then she tells the story that the night before they'd closed the shop and then she'd gone to I'm saying Jana, but I think it's Jana. Did I say Jana? I think it's Jena. So she'd gone to Jana and said, I need to go back in. I forgot something. And when they went back in, two masked attackers came like stormed into the store, whoops to storm the store and with guns and attacked them, and Brittany said, rape them and tied them up and killed Jana and left her for dead. Had she'd been hit on all of her Yeah, she had injuries too, okay, and her pants were slid at the crotch it all looked very bad. So looked it all looked very bad. Okay, so sorry, I have to scroll down on my dumb thing. So of course panics set off because this is apparently a super high end area, like because that's how those stores are always in, like really, so people are freaking out, like there's no violent crime in that area at all. Immediately, the cops are set up a man hunt. There's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward for anyone with information leading to an arrest. It's like big and huge, and they start talking to people around the neighborhood, and they talk to these employees at the Apple store which was right next door, and these employees say that, yes, they heard two women arguing and yelling and some weird thumping and fighting noises the night before, but they never called nine one one. How do you They didn't get asked that question in court, which, of course, because it's like, ultimately it's not about them and what they did or didn't do, aside from I'm sure they struggle with it. Yeah it's hideous, but yeah they didn't. And then somebody included in one of these articles that I read, it was this really awesome thing about how when you are when you have a phone or a computer or something that distracts you, you are like some percentage I won't make up and I'll just be honest that I don't know it, but like a very high percentage less likely to get involved with anything happening around you. Wow. So they're in an Apple store, so it's probably like weird noise, weird noise to go back to playing Yazi with friends or whatever your phone.
I don't know if I would, like, how would you get involved? It just so depends on the situation. If you you can't expect people to be being you know, getting murdered. No, if you hear a fight, you're not like I'm going to go make sure no one's getting murdered.
No, not at all, and especially in that area. Yeah, No, it's a weird thing. I'm sure they had never had any experience like that, and that's not they probably were like, oh no, those girls are fighting. Toward the end that totally thought. It's just unfortunate because even just a call to say maybe you should just go check. I think it's that thing of like people aren't willing to just risk being wrong, which is, which is sad or not being able to read a situation correctly. I mean the way a couple of these articles talked about it. There was like extended thumping and fight sounds and oh yeah, you should have checked that out. At at one point they heard a woman's scream, Oh please, God help me. What the okay? No, you should have fucking gone over there. I guess I buried the lead on. You brought that up earlier. Oh my god. Go yeah, so crazy, even if you're not sure, roll the dice, okay. So from that they realize that these employees only hard two women the entire time. They don't hear anything about men's voices, they don't hear anything else, so they're suspicious. Also, there's this really awesome statistic I found that I know the exact number. Four according to the Bureau of the Justice of Statistics. No. No, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, only fifteen percent of homicides are committed by someone who doesn't know the victim. Fifteen percent. That's crazy. So in some ways, relax because it's very very except don't, because your fucking family's going to murder you. It's going to be your husband with that milkshake. I wonder if that's the reason why we're so fascinated with stranger murders. What the cord? Oh, I think, are you hitting it with her? Really? Okay?
I wonder if that's why we're so fascinated about stranger murders is because they're so rare.
Yes, and so they sound like there are a lot more of them. But in actuality, yeah, everyone talks about the ones that happened because they're so crazy and weird, so it seems like they're more likely. That's really interesting. Yeah, So the cops know this, I mean the cops. The cops they say that all the time. I'm like twenty twenty or whatever, where it's like you always look to yeah, the husband, the wife, the friends, the people that they know. So one of the big breaks in the case was that they looked in Jana's car, and Jane's the murder victim. She's the victim. Okay. So they process her car and they find Britney Britney's DNA in the car and then they ask Brittany, have you ever been in Jana's car? And she said no. That man.
I love when they fucking trap something like that. Or if you had just said yes, right, you would not have been a suspect.
But they never do because they were in the car, so they're trying to cover that lie is going to get them out. Yeah, and yeah, that's that's the greatest. I love that. So also they realized they had had all the test processed and Brittany had said that they were both raped by these masked men, but when the test came back, they there was no sign of rape on either of There was no you know, evidence of it. Yeah, there was all of the normal things that they find on either of them. Okay. And also her wounds were few and superficial. Right.
Yeah, if you're going to hit someone thirty three hundred something times and the other person just gets a little.
Yeah, that's crazy about And also because then that's like there's some crime of passion taking place.
Yeah, so there is an intended victim here, yes, exactly, Okay.
And also then they realize for the angles, they start studying the angles of the of the wounds clearly self inflicted and she tied herself up. It was all they start looking back on its stage. Yeah, now there were in the blood, there were two shoeprints. Jana's shoeprints were not in the blood, Britney's shoeprints were in the blood, and a size fourteen men man's shoe one set of men's shoes were in the blood. So not too like.
So she grabbed some shoes off the fucking shell. That's exactly right, the son of a bit.
And walked around through as if a man was walking through. What an idiot that she didn't grab both the fucking shoes. Oh, because it's like the display pair right, Oh my god. So it's like brilliant and so stupid at the same time. Well, it's that thing of like you are you can't cover now a murder. You just can't. You're not as smart as you think you are. You can't. And also cops have seen it a million's times, like they know what they're looking at and what looks weird and what doesn't. So ultimately they basically get her to start talking, and it turns out six days after the crime actually happened, it was the same night of Janea's memorial, they arrest Britney Norwood for first degree murder, and so basically they figure out that that day, Brittany had been caught shoplifting a pair of yoga pants by Jana, and that's what caused That was the inciting incident. Obviously, much more was going on for her to get stabbed over three hundred times, and they said she used five different weapons all found within the store. Was oh my god. Yeah, And there was a blood trail that showed how Jana tried to escape through the back door and she had one hundred and seven defensive wounds. Oh my god. So the end they said that that was the most that medical examiner had ever seen on a victim. Wow. So this was a crazy and horrible and extended period of time where this murder happened. Now here's the creepiest part to me is Britney goes clearly just goes fucking berserk snaps. She gets caught. Now she's in that, she's out of this system. She's the worst of the worst. If you're bad for drinking diet coke on the floor, imagine we're getting caught shoplifting would be like in that culture at that store. Also, I don't think it was probably very easy because Britney was black, and I don't know what the percentages were of people who were black that worked as a blue lemon. But I bet that was an element in it. Yeah, I'm sure that brought there was something that brought to the table. There was other articles that talk about how she had stalked her boyfriend. I think she had. She was definitely maybe a borderline personality, she had definitely had some issues whatever. But this girl viciously and insanely murders her coworker and then lays down in blood for hours and hours until she gets discovered crazy in the same room as a dead body. I mean, that's the creepy level of that. Oh and also she went and moved because when she called Jana back to let her back into the store, Jana was double parked, so she had to go get into her car, and she went and parked it down like a couple blocks away, and that's how she got They got that DNA hers in there. So essentially she had ten hours to stage and plan this this crime and figure it all out. So anyway, she was invicted in an hour. They tried to say that she was insane and they were like, no, sorry, this was insanely premeditated. Yeah, I mean that's bad phrasing. This was very premeditated and obviously to try to cover it up. So she knows yes, yes, exactly, and I guess. Oh, so she was got She got a life sentence and with no possibility of parole. So it turned out that the Lulu Lemon murder was much more fascinating than I could ever imagine it. Yeah.
I thought she just like went in there and shot her like I didn't even know any of the details.
It was grizzly as hell. Yeah, and just that the element, like the pressury, sales, sorority sister element of it is fascinating to me. Somebody. There's a guy that wrote a book. His name's David Morse and it's called The This is going to be wrong. I want to say it's called The Yoga Pants Murder, but that's not going to be right, the Yoga storre Murder. There you go so close. Oh are there are there crime scene photos? I'm sure there are, but but I want to see them without the body, so I'm not that fucked up. They wanted to show the crime scene photos when they were trying to pick the jury, and they the I think was it when they were trying to pick the jury. I guess that doesn't really make sense. But they were basically trying to introduce these photos and like the defense fought it because they're so awful. Her skull was cracked, her spine was severed. Oh, I don't want to say that. I mean it's terrible. I mean you you know she was stabbed over three hundred times. It's say it's horrifying. Shit. Yeah, so there you go.
I mustay, I must I must stay, Karen must stay. Everybody should we end them on ome?
Well? Well, fuck, all right.
That's a gruesome and sad one horrible We're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?
No case updates. Basically, it's all status quo. Although we got to the bottom of kitchen parties, so that was the thing that we talked about. It was a Lululemon kind of like Ali Rally's style. Let's all get together, you know, like some sort of retail bullshit cult thing that they make up to make it seem interesting, and then you get people to whatever.
I don't have to work that day, but like they still have to come to the fucking no.
No. This was a different This was almost like a little bit of a manipulation of the customers. So essentially, there were these islands near the fitting rooms, and the employees were expected to just kind of hang out there and then stage casual conversations like you're in the kitchen quote unquote and basically talking about yoga. Ants are like, oh you need that. I can actually recommend you this great jackie or.
Me alone, I mean as someone who's done that job before. Yeah, at Funky Diva and back in nineteen ninety nine. Like I know how it goes, and I hate it every minute of doing it, and I hate every minute of it being done to me.
Yes, the retail PTSD of like being forced to engage h when people don't like it and are rude to you actively right, really sucks. It's like, if you're a greeter at the Gap this day, I wonder if they still do greeters. I don't think they do. Yeah, I don't.
Think so, But I don't think that you better fucking get said hi to though, Like if you're a secret shopper for them.
Oh yeah, like you have to eyes up. Yeah, you don't have to stand there like we used to have to literally stand there and be like socks are on sild in and blah blah blah, like that whole thing where you're like having this hip interaction with the person you're about to buy genes from. It's just like, who.
Can one means help finding anything? Unless it's like a movie and they're like on a mission to get this one thing. No one needs help finding anything?
Can I help you.
Find anything today?
No, in this day and age, doesn't the average customer really know their rights in the way of like they're going to find you and let you know. It's kind of help they need. Like no one's shy anymore about And that's I'm going to say it again, but that's my big complaint about Sephora. I just want to go and touch all the eyeshadows and look at all the samples. I don't want to. I don't want someone to help me because oftentimes they're like, oh, you need that, well, then come over here, and I'm like, no, I'm over I'm over here. I want to be in this area. Yeah, Like I don't want to be I don't want to be this Yeah.
No, totally, that's it. That's a long zen journey that you want to take when you're there.
That's right. Hot bath of a sephora anyway. Also, the old founder or I guess the original founder who's no longer involved in the business of Lululemon is a man named Chip Wilson who has just been spouting pretty nasty rhetoric for years, and so much so that the company had to come forward and say that his views don't represent represent company's values. Wow, and that they are committed to creating an inclusive environment in that company. So hopefully that's true and hopefully that actual work is getting done. And also, you know, the information I was looking for that could have been really cool to like unveil right now is that they also change their internal practices and they don't make everything feel like this weird club that you're trying to get into while you have a retail job, which was one of the things we talked about of like what the pressures and what this job must have felt like to result in this horrifying murder. But still there's no way to get that information unless we had a secret employee, which we don't be so cool, we should have done that. Although they no longer ask their employees to pursue shoplifters, which is insane that they ever did that? Never do that. No, I'll never do that. Okay, Now it's time for Georgia's story about tent Girl and the Dough Network. Ready for mine?
Yeah, okay, mine is about the tent Girl and the dough Network.
Whoa do you know? That isn't dear No d.
Oe asn't like Jane Doe. Oh oh, oh like dough a dough A dead body, a.
Female dead body. Oh my god? I had to it? Did it? Did it? All? Right? So?
On May seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, a well digger named Wilbur Riddle was killing time between jobs picking up glass insulators on a dirt road. It was just outside Lexington, Kentucky, so he's scavenging.
Sure, he comes across.
A large green tarpaulin and that was commonly used by carnival workers to store the big big top tens in, and inside he finds the new decomposing body of a young woman. She appeared to be in her teens, and she had been dead for months.
Oh. They couldn't figure out her exact cause of death, but it was thought that she'd been knocked out with a blow of the head and then tied up inside the bag. To slowly suffocate. And the way they knew this was that her nails were worn down and broken. Oh no, as if she had been trying to escape nightmare.
Yes, she couldn't be identified and became known as the tent Girl.
Sorry is sixty eight?
You said, yeah, okay. It became a local legend. And her grave had a headstone that had they had put the a sketch of the what the police had sketched what she might have looked like, and it said tent Girl found May seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight on US Highway twenty five North. Died about April, like all these weird statistics about her, unidentified. So it was a place where local teens would visit to cause trouble and to scare each other, and like on Halloween you had a night you had to go touch the gravestone and run away and stuff. And so a couple decades later, there's a teenager who moves into town named Todd Matthews and he hears about the story of Tent Girl by a girl he's got a crush on. Nine months later, he and this girl get married, and it turns out her name is Lorie Riddle. Her father was Wilbil Riddle who found tent Girl. Oh so Todd Matthews becomes obsessed with the case, and for decades he's determined to find out the true identity of Tent Girl. Todd's two siblings had died at birth and had really stuck with him, and so he says that he felt like tent Girl had become his sibling until he could find her real family.
Just so fucking sweet, I might cry.
So when the Internet's created, he saves up enough money for he works low income jobs, saves up enough money to buy a computer, and then he trolls chatrooms and search engines and missing personal listings, searching for details that match tent Girl. And he creates a website devoted to finding her identity. And this is before any of like web sleuthing shit is going on, Like in his mind, he's just going to email as many people as possible till he finds out who this missing person is. So cut to the night January nineteen ninety eight, and Todd has been online for hours looking at random stuff when he comes across a classified ad from a woman who's searching for her missing twenty four year old sister. Barbara Ann Hackman Taylor. He Todd sees the three words Lexington nineteen seven sixty seven missing, and he knows it's her immediately. So in December nineteen sixty seven, twenty four year old Barbara and Hackman was a mother and a waitress. She had married young and then mysteriously disappeared, And they thought it was a teenager originally when they found the body, but she's actually twenty four, which is just another reason like why cops like it wouldn't have taken someone amateur to find this person because you're looking for a teenager. You're not going to find someone with totally different statistics.
Right, you know what I mean? Yeah, they won't fall into that catch, right.
So Matthew's arrange just to have Tent Girl's body exhumed, and in April nineteen ninety eight, DNA tests proved that Barbara and Hackman is tent Girl.
Wow. I know.
The family chooses to have Barbara's remains kept in the original spot with the original headstone. They just added a little stone underneath with her real name, nicknamed, date of birth, presumed date of death, and the inscription loving mother, grandmother and sister.
Oh she was a grandmother at twenty four.
No, I think she had her babe, her daughter, and now she's a grandmother. Yeah, all right, So he died before tent girl was identified, but Barbara's husband, George Earle Taylor, never found a missing person's report, and he told Barbara's family that she had left him for another man. Yeah all right, so you know how she was fucking found in a tarpaulin?
Am I saying that? Right?
That was commonly used by carnival workers to store big tents. Guess what George's job was?
He was an accountant? Was he an accountant? Was he Did he work at RII Carnil?
Yes, he was a carnival worker. He died of cancer in October nineteen eighty seven, and I hope he rots in.
Good Yeah, good glad? Fuck yourself? Fuck yourself. Uh isn't that crazy? Like?
What what a there's nothing size like size fingerprints that could have like made it more of a like here's who done it?
Yeah? I mean did they? Karen, don't question? I won't did they play? Did they like tie it back to the carnival he was working on? Did he maybe? No? I just meant like at the time when they founder, did they take that tarpulin or whatever it's called evidence and then go interview some carnival work, right, see what local carnival is in town? And then it could that be the third season of True Detective? This story of like the carnies. Those are great questions. I was just excited that they put that together. But gosh, I wish they had done that before he died of cancer. Yeah, you know, that's a good point. But I mean, yeah, well, shit, okay, can I do a different story? No kidding? All right?
So, so the ending of this is pretty amazing that Todd Matthews goes on to help create the Dough Network, which I'm obsessed with. It's an online database containing thousands of profiles for an identified does Jane and John does and baby does and amateur sluts try to connect unidentified bodies with missing people.
Amazing, like people who are.
Like nurses and fucking janitors and all these crazy people who like are doing this for free and their free time just sit there and try to find matching characteristics to get these people found and get them you know.
So is it like web sluting where anyone can do it? Yeah? Enter the information they started, they started regulating it because I think that a lot of a lot of police were getting annoyed with all the calls they were going to like I think it's this person. I think it's that person.
So there's like for each each town or each city, there's there's like a main person that it has to go through like a crazy vetting process. Now, so I feel like, I think this missing person is this unidentified body. They have to like it has to be checked out by like a bunch of people who have been certified by the Doughnut work to do that. But yeah, you can kind of just like look for It's almost like that game where you what was the memory one? Where you turn over a face and you turn it back over and you have to remember what face. It's called Memory Thank you. So he also co founded nam US. It's I think it's supposed to be name US, but there's no E the National Missing and Unidentified Person's System. And another thing they do is they they they hire or they people who who who are who draw portraits and stuff just for free, Like can we'll take a dead body and sketch out what the face would look like? Or take a missing person and sketch out what their face would look like. Now, Oh, they all do it for free. Wow, it's pretty amazing. Next place where we give money for the T shirts?
I don't know. We can discuss it, we can, all right.
So, as of two thousand and seven, I couldn't find any more recent statistics. There's approximately forty thousand unidentified human remains stowed in back rooms of morgues, buried before they're identified, and buried in unmarked graves across the country. That number forty thousand. Shit, and that's two thousand and seven. The National Crime Information Center records nearly ninety thousand missing people at any given time, So forty thousand of those unmarked unidentified people. You know, there are websites lists seventy successful identity resolutions that the site has assisted with.
Oh that's nice.
Thirty six had occurred within the first five years, and tent Girl was the first case to be identified by use of the internet. Wow, is that incredible. Todd Matthews, he just like, wasn't obsessive compulsive with this case. And because of that, so many families have been able to find out what happened to their loved ones.
And I'm so fascinated with those stories of.
Like she left home one day and you know, we thought we'd hear from her again, and we didn't, and we don't know if she's alive or not. She might've just fucking moved on and hated our dad and you know, right, but then they find they're like, you know, by the side of the road, this so with this crazy tattoo is found and why can't we identify this person? And so they put all this stuff in the in the thing and it's very cool.
Yeah, tent girl. There's a photo of her. It looks like a lot like the drawing sad, right, well, yeah, but it's like the tragedy that something good came out. I know, it's very cool nice and also is nice that idea that like, yeah, that's if you have. It's just so nice for the families like that, that that idea of just not knowing is so tortuous.
Yeah, And I've kind of been wanting to do I've been thinking a lot lately about like how can I volunteer my time in some way that we're this true crime thing we're doing. And I'm like, you know, do I work for do I go out volunteer for women's shelter or something like that.
And this is like, I feel like that's what these people are doing. Is are like for no, they're not making any money, they have jobs, they don't need them. They just want to help find their It's just the really end of these crazy puzzles and piecing these things together. And they write you if you have that specific ability of like you can draw, you know, what a picture of what they last look like or whatever. It's like everybody pitching in what their specific talent is. Yeah, yeah, that's very cool. I like that.
So maybe I'll maybe I'll do something like that and I can't draw, and I can look at tattoos and remember if they were found on dead bodies or not do it.
I'm really good at that remembering. No. Yeah, nice. So that was short one, but I thought it was. No, that was cool. I like that. It like it's good information. Yeah, that's a good one, totally. Well, I guess that's it. Yeah, thank you for listening. Thank you so much.
Can you guys if you rate, review and subscribe on iTunes, that helps us a lot and we appreciate it, and gosh, it's nice having you guys. Listen in this podcast. So Elvis is sitting right in front of Steven's face because Stephen gave him a cookie last time.
I like that. You just said, gosh, gosh, it's nice you listen, you buddy, g whiz g whizz you will who's everybody? Thank you?
Thanks?
And you know what, stay sex and don't get more? Did Elvis do you want to cook? You?
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Cook you? Whoa n We're back, Georgia. Are there updates for this case?
Yes, there are updates. This is one of those cases. I love that there is this tragic story and something beautiful comes out of it because people, because of humans and humanity and you know, caring about causes that have nothing to do with you and just personalizing them. So I love this story and I love Todd Matthews and unfortunately he passed away earlier this year. He was only fifty three, and his contributions to the cyber detective community live on through the Dough Network and Name Us. And there's a article you can check out if you want on Vice called The Pioneering cyber Detective who Cracked a thirty year old cold case by Sammy Carmela that I recommend and together, the Dough Network and name Us have resolved over sixty five thousand missing, unidentified and unclaimed person's cases amazing, which is incredible. So get involved in that if you're good at s losing.
I'm not. Yeah, if you're a person that's interested in true crime, that is an incredible way to actually, you know, do something constructive with this interest and interact and help people out. Well.
Yeah, like I when I had a boring desk job and didn't do anything, I wish I had known about this instead, I was just blogging. Yeah, so that doesn't feel as good as like helping find missing people.
You were helping other funky divas in your area.
That's all. That's my fucking goal in life, and my creed, my creed and my motto.
And here's your other motto is Nama Stay Sexy, which was the title of this episode.
Yeah, so no more number puns, thank god.
Yeah, that's right.
And so if we're naming this episode today based on something we said in the episode, would it be trailer spoiler? Which Karen jokes she's going to spoil the trailer of the new jam Vrenet Ramsey Dalky series. Don't spoil you can't even fucking spoil a trailer these.
Days, That's right. And then Georgia said, gosh, it's nice. That's so funny. Gosh it's nice. Because we were thanking listeners for listening to the show, and she said, Gosh, it's nice having you guys listen. Was that sarcastic?
No, I hear my gosh, is definitely something that has, you know, regularly come out of my mouth? Is that something whose I don't know. I think it's like quaint and old, tiny, and I like it, like.
Yeah, it is, it's nice.
I don't care about taking God's name pain, so why would I? Gosh, it's nice, Gosh, I guess you know what. It's like a humbled thing. I'm just humbled.
Gosh, golly, golly, gee, golly, gee, whoa. Well, Gosh, guys, thanks so much for listening. Gosh, I'd pick that title for the show title because I love but it's nice.
It's nice, and so are you, guys, and Gosh, appreciate you still.
Gosh, gosh, if I was listening right now, I turn this off, stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Goodbye by Elvis. Do you want a cookie?
