Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

You see, every Wednesday we release one of our old shows, but there's a twist. We had all new commentary, updates, insights, everything, the lives we've led, the people we are, the people we've become, the whole story. We give it to you.

You see, every Wednesday we release one of our old shows, but there's a twist. We had all new commentary, updates, insights, everything, the lives we've led, the people we are, the people we've become, the whole story. We give it to you.

Today we're recapping episode thirty, which, for the first time in twenty nine episodes, isn't named after the number pun thank.

Today we're recapping episode thirty, which, for the first time in twenty nine episodes, isn't named after the number pun thank.

You, Jesus, phew, thank God.

You, Jesus, phew, thank God.

Called one of the greats, It's called the fuckword murder mystery show. Find out and find out why by listening to this.

Called one of the greats, It's called the fuckword murder mystery show. Find out and find out why by listening to this.

Stay tuned and you can find out why we named it that and join us today as we take you back to August eighteenth, twenty sixteen. God, this summer of twenty sixteen, and now we can all be Day one listeners together.

Stay tuned and you can find out why we named it that and join us today as we take you back to August eighteenth, twenty sixteen. God, this summer of twenty sixteen, and now we can all be Day one listeners together.

So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty.

So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty.

Are you ready?

Are you ready?

Are you let's be really low energy this time.

Are you let's be really low energy this time.

Let's be as quiet as we can.

Let's be as quiet as we can.

Yes, and fucks I screwed it up already?

Yes, and fucks I screwed it up already?

Yes you want to be quiet? Yes?

Yes you want to be quiet? Yes?

Yes?

Yes?

I oh god, Hi, Welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hard Star.

I oh god, Hi, Welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hard Star.

That's Karen Kilgareff The Quietest We're the Quietest Girls, We're so quiet on podcast Thanks for Thanks for being here. It's like, spend your spending an hour with us, thanks thinking about things with us.

That's Karen Kilgareff The Quietest We're the Quietest Girls, We're so quiet on podcast Thanks for Thanks for being here. It's like, spend your spending an hour with us, thanks thinking about things with us.

Guys. There's so much going on in our world, not the least of which is how Georgia doesn't like stranger things. Boo, there's someone at the door. They're here to hang you up from the highest limb of a tree.

Guys. There's so much going on in our world, not the least of which is how Georgia doesn't like stranger things. Boo, there's someone at the door. They're here to hang you up from the highest limb of a tree.

I didn't. I don't not like it. I have issues with it.

I didn't. I don't not like it. I have issues with it.

Okay, let's hear well.

Okay, let's hear well.

It reminds me remember the old Stephen King movies that would be made of Stephen King books that would be on that would remain for TV, like Dinner, and how ridiculous they were. And if you guys say, what about True or pet Cemetery, go back and watch it again. It's the corniest movie.

It reminds me remember the old Stephen King movies that would be made of Stephen King books that would be on that would remain for TV, like Dinner, and how ridiculous they were. And if you guys say, what about True or pet Cemetery, go back and watch it again. It's the corniest movie.

But it would That was a feature film, right, and there was some scary shit.

But it would That was a feature film, right, and there was some scary shit.

Yes, I love that movie, but if you go back, you're like, oh, this is so corny.

Yes, I love that movie, but if you go back, you're like, oh, this is so corny.

It doesn't hold up.

It doesn't hold up.

No, And it reminds me kind of of that of Stephen King, like made for TV movies and maybe it's so kind of supposed to. But I also just it reminded me of like someone who doesn't read sci fi made a show about sci fi. Yes, And like I feel like if it's the kind of movie where if someone who had read the book or why it which I know there's not a book, but if you were, you'd be like, why the fuck did they leave this thing out? This was the most important part. Like, I feel like I would have been screaming that if I had read.

No, And it reminds me kind of of that of Stephen King, like made for TV movies and maybe it's so kind of supposed to. But I also just it reminded me of like someone who doesn't read sci fi made a show about sci fi. Yes, And like I feel like if it's the kind of movie where if someone who had read the book or why it which I know there's not a book, but if you were, you'd be like, why the fuck did they leave this thing out? This was the most important part. Like, I feel like I would have been screaming that if I had read.

The book, Well, you know, I've found I think because I like seeing I'm at that stage where that kind of nostalgia works on me because it's from when I was ten.

The book, Well, you know, I've found I think because I like seeing I'm at that stage where that kind of nostalgia works on me because it's from when I was ten.

Yeah, I love the look and feel, but that other stuff took me out of it.

Yeah, I love the look and feel, but that other stuff took me out of it.

Well, and it's really hard to connect. This is kind of like the Stephen King problem, and like lost a lot of those things. When you get your big good idea that's going to freak people out and hook people in, and then you try to connect that with kind of believable science or something grounded, it's very difficult to do. So it's like the upside down, right is what.

Well, and it's really hard to connect. This is kind of like the Stephen King problem, and like lost a lot of those things. When you get your big good idea that's going to freak people out and hook people in, and then you try to connect that with kind of believable science or something grounded, it's very difficult to do. So it's like the upside down, right is what.

Yeah it was called, but there was enough fact that.

Yeah it was called, but there was enough fact that.

You just kind of entered it through this weird, I mean.

You just kind of entered it through this weird, I mean.

And you could go get your like it just yeah, there was a lot of wait what in it for me?

And you could go get your like it just yeah, there was a lot of wait what in it for me?

Like and if you can walk into it, then why does she have to go into the thing to get it?

Like and if you can walk into it, then why does she have to go into the thing to get it?

Right? And like, well, what is it? What is it made out of? Why did this happen? Why did this person exist? Yeah? Why did they? How did she get out of the Yeah? Yeah, it's this is another episode of Georgia can't suspend her disbelief.

Right? And like, well, what is it? What is it made out of? Why did this happen? Why did this person exist? Yeah? Why did they? How did she get out of the Yeah? Yeah, it's this is another episode of Georgia can't suspend her disbelief.

You know, and it's a valid angle I do.

You know, and it's a valid angle I do.

However, like the Night Of, I've gone through three episodes.

However, like the Night Of, I've gone through three episodes.

In okay, well when you get to the episode that aired last night, Oh my god. First of all, I keep falling asleep in front of the TV after watching Night Of and then dreaming about riz Amed all night, which makes me crazy.

In okay, well when you get to the episode that aired last night, Oh my god. First of all, I keep falling asleep in front of the TV after watching Night Of and then dreaming about riz Amed all night, which makes me crazy.

They were showing photos of him as a kid, like as part of this show, and but there were real photos of him as a kid, and I was like, I want that DNA inside of me, Like I want that baby's Like.

They were showing photos of him as a kid, like as part of this show, and but there were real photos of him as a kid, and I was like, I want that DNA inside of me, Like I want that baby's Like.

That's the biggest kind of crush you can have when you want their DNA.

That's the biggest kind of crush you can have when you want their DNA.

Because I want your DNA inside me. That's like a serial killer. Valentine that's a discuss. That's a serial killer, Valentine.

Because I want your DNA inside me. That's like a serial killer. Valentine that's a discuss. That's a serial killer, Valentine.

No, that's how I feel about him. I steal that idea from you, and.

No, that's how I feel about him. I steal that idea from you, and.

I don't want to sleep with him. I have a husband that I love who doesn't want kids, So I'll just have one from him with big eyes and like.

I don't want to sleep with him. I have a husband that I love who doesn't want kids, So I'll just have one from him with big eyes and like.

Beautiful after he and I marry and have many of our own, and then.

Beautiful after he and I marry and have many of our own, and then.

I can we get into a thing here.

I can we get into a thing here.

I guess we could kind of a fund for the podcast.

I guess we could kind of a fund for the podcast.

Yeah, it's a very long long show. I have episodic Okay, two things. It's like a play. It is like a play. I would watch a whole show of just John Deturou and about his EXEMA. Didn't know there were EXZMA support groups. That's fascinating. Those poor people.

Yeah, it's a very long long show. I have episodic Okay, two things. It's like a play. It is like a play. I would watch a whole show of just John Deturou and about his EXEMA. Didn't know there were EXZMA support groups. That's fascinating. Those poor people.

They can't date.

They can't date.

I don't want them. Was that awful? Yeah, that's amazing. And then last night, yesterday when I watched it, Janet Colgate is now a character from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. What you know, the female lawyer.

I don't want them. Was that awful? Yeah, that's amazing. And then last night, yesterday when I watched it, Janet Colgate is now a character from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. What you know, the female lawyer.

Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, I'm so happy when I named her name Jannet Colegate, I said when she came on screen, I said it in like in a accent. That was said and I think Vince was like, who today? What have I married?

Yeah, I'm so happy when I named her name Jannet Colegate, I said when she came on screen, I said it in like in a accent. That was said and I think Vince was like, who today? What have I married?

What's that actress's name?

What's that actress's name?

You think I can remember her character from a cheesy movie from the eighties, but I can't remember her real name.

You think I can remember her character from a cheesy movie from the eighties, but I can't remember her real name.

Her name is?

Her name is?

You get this? You always get this, I know, but it's hot Elizabeth. Nope, it's Nancy.

You get this? You always get this, I know, but it's hot Elizabeth. Nope, it's Nancy.

Stacy, Nancy. It's my favorite actress, Stacy, Nancy from such plays as Nancy and Nancy Saint Stacy. That's the best stage name of all time.

Stacy, Nancy. It's my favorite actress, Stacy, Nancy from such plays as Nancy and Nancy Saint Stacy. That's the best stage name of all time.

Taking it my favorite murder with arn Kilgarat.

Taking it my favorite murder with arn Kilgarat.

And Nancy Saint Stacy. Oh my god, that's good.

And Nancy Saint Stacy. Oh my god, that's good.

I'm so sweaty.

I'm so sweaty.

Are you looking it up? Stephen? Is the letter P in her first or last name?

Are you looking it up? Stephen? Is the letter P in her first or last name?

Penelope? Not at all?

Penelope? Not at all?

Damn it.

Damn it.

It's Glenn Headley Hedley. You said that if it was something tongue it was.

It's Glenn Headley Hedley. You said that if it was something tongue it was.

It was nowhere near my Glenn Headley. Glenn Headley, she's such a great actress, she is.

It was nowhere near my Glenn Headley. Glenn Headley, she's such a great actress, she is.

But oh, her name, Stephen Harmi Morris, thank you for that.

But oh, her name, Stephen Harmi Morris, thank you for that.

But yeah, anytime that's that's like one of those white, waspy names I would have never gotten. In my world. Girls can't be named Glenn.

But yeah, anytime that's that's like one of those white, waspy names I would have never gotten. In my world. Girls can't be named Glenn.

I've definitely never heard that before.

I've definitely never heard that before.

Yeah, that's a family name.

Yeah, that's a family name.

I'm sure, I'm sure it is. That's not a crest somewhere.

I'm sure, I'm sure it is. That's not a crest somewhere.

But so two thumbs up for the night of Yeah, watch it. We're not talking about this, We're not talking about Stranger Things anymore.

But so two thumbs up for the night of Yeah, watch it. We're not talking about this, We're not talking about Stranger Things anymore.

Yeah, i'd gone off. I did you like the ending that they had left it open? Obviously for a second season.

Yeah, i'd gone off. I did you like the ending that they had left it open? Obviously for a second season.

I'm going to admit I fell asleep at some point in the later episodes and I can't remember how.

I'm going to admit I fell asleep at some point in the later episodes and I can't remember how.

And they ended it in a way that was there's just like no satisfying end, can I tell you?

And they ended it in a way that was there's just like no satisfying end, can I tell you?

Because do you think there's gonna be a season two?

Because do you think there's gonna be a season two?

Well, Nancy and Steve are still together?

Well, Nancy and Steve are still together?

What?

What?

Yeah?

Yeah?

But she didn't love him, does she? She doesn't?

But she didn't love him, does she? She doesn't?

Does she love fake Ben Schwartz? That's all I could see when I saw him.

Does she love fake Ben Schwartz? That's all I could see when I saw him.

Exactly what he looks like.

Exactly what he looks like.

He looks so much. He's like wasp Ben Schwartz.

He looks so much. He's like wasp Ben Schwartz.

Yeah, he looks like if Ben Schwartz got put through a rock and roll machine.

Yeah, he looks like if Ben Schwartz got put through a rock and roll machine.

Everyone like Benjawarts. I promise nothing wrong with him, but I just couldn't see that character.

Everyone like Benjawarts. I promise nothing wrong with him, but I just couldn't see that character.

But sorry, she goes back to him.

But sorry, she goes back to him.

I feel like I just I should have spoiled.

I feel like I just I should have spoiled.

Alerted that yeah, that's a big spoiler.

Alerted that yeah, that's a big spoiler.

Me.

Me.

I feel like I just burped really loudly and like without warning anyone or saying excuse me before or after, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me?

I feel like I just burped really loudly and like without warning anyone or saying excuse me before or after, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me?

Can I say? Can I read you? My favorite tweet that we've gotten on my favorite murder Twitter.

Can I say? Can I read you? My favorite tweet that we've gotten on my favorite murder Twitter.

Always This is tweet corner with Karen.

Always This is tweet corner with Karen.

Tweet corner welcome me or mirror Meroo.

Tweet corner welcome me or mirror Meroo.

Theme song.

Theme song.

Okay, uh, Mimi, the unsung cat of the Herd Stark Household. She sings the theme song to tweet corner me.

Okay, uh, Mimi, the unsung cat of the Herd Stark Household. She sings the theme song to tweet corner me.

Mimi's got to have her her spot.

Mimi's got to have her her spot.

And then yeah, this is it, She's come to shine ready mem yeah me o mayaomio. She's totally asleep. Someone on Twitter named trash Panda I r L. That's not a real person. Read read what her name is? Oh, tween sensation. Tween sensation is her handle? Okay, trash Panda I r L is her, I don't know what name. I don't know trash panda and on her on her Twitter account, Sorry, but I just noticed this. Her header picture is a picture of Barb and it says in memory of bar I can see you on the other side, that's incredible illustration of Barb from Stranger Things. Hell yeah, trash Panda way to bring it all around. So she tweeted at us and said, my dad keeps calling your show the fuck Word Murder Mystery Show because he can't remember the name. And I cannot stop laughing at that. My dad keeps calling your show the fuck word mystery murder Mystery Show because he can't remember the name. That is so first of all, I can't if my dad heard a podcast where girls were saying the F word, he would pull the stereo out of the car and throw it out O my way. I swear if my dad ever hears this, he's going to call me with such a stern tone. And so I love the fact that trash Panda Irl's dad is even listening to.

And then yeah, this is it, She's come to shine ready mem yeah me o mayaomio. She's totally asleep. Someone on Twitter named trash Panda I r L. That's not a real person. Read read what her name is? Oh, tween sensation. Tween sensation is her handle? Okay, trash Panda I r L is her, I don't know what name. I don't know trash panda and on her on her Twitter account, Sorry, but I just noticed this. Her header picture is a picture of Barb and it says in memory of bar I can see you on the other side, that's incredible illustration of Barb from Stranger Things. Hell yeah, trash Panda way to bring it all around. So she tweeted at us and said, my dad keeps calling your show the fuck Word Murder Mystery Show because he can't remember the name. And I cannot stop laughing at that. My dad keeps calling your show the fuck word mystery murder Mystery Show because he can't remember the name. That is so first of all, I can't if my dad heard a podcast where girls were saying the F word, he would pull the stereo out of the car and throw it out O my way. I swear if my dad ever hears this, he's going to call me with such a stern tone. And so I love the fact that trash Panda Irl's dad is even listening to.

It at all.

It at all.

I love him. He sounds like my dad, And I think we might need to change the name of this podcast to the suck Word Murder Mystery Show.

I love him. He sounds like my dad, And I think we might need to change the name of this podcast to the suck Word Murder Mystery Show.

I try not to do this, but someone who makes the memes needs to get our logo and change it into say it one. We're talking because it makes me so happy that the.

I try not to do this, but someone who makes the memes needs to get our logo and change it into say it one. We're talking because it makes me so happy that the.

Fuck word murder Miss Street Show.

Fuck word murder Miss Street Show.

It's just Can I read you something that's probably gonna make you want to cry? Yes, Liz C on the Facebook page says I'm nineteen years old and fighting cancer at the moment, ready to cray? Yeah, my dad and I listen to the podcast on the way to the hospital and back. Oh, it's a great way to keep my mind off things. Except now I'm scared to get murders lmao. I can't wait for the new shirts to come out. I'm definitely going to be wearing it to the hospital. Love call you murder Reinos. And then there's two hundred comments, including mine that says your next shirt is on the fucking house and.

It's just Can I read you something that's probably gonna make you want to cry? Yes, Liz C on the Facebook page says I'm nineteen years old and fighting cancer at the moment, ready to cray? Yeah, my dad and I listen to the podcast on the way to the hospital and back. Oh, it's a great way to keep my mind off things. Except now I'm scared to get murders lmao. I can't wait for the new shirts to come out. I'm definitely going to be wearing it to the hospital. Love call you murder Reinos. And then there's two hundred comments, including mine that says your next shirt is on the fucking house and.

That's your name, Liz Liz. Yeah, Liz, Hey, Liz, you fight the good fight. Get in there, you do your fucking chemo or however you're taking care of this business and get it taken care of and get it out of you and many years of this stupid bullshit to come. Wait the podcast or cancer, Uh no, no of that, only the podcast and then general fun things in life.

That's your name, Liz Liz. Yeah, Liz, Hey, Liz, you fight the good fight. Get in there, you do your fucking chemo or however you're taking care of this business and get it taken care of and get it out of you and many years of this stupid bullshit to come. Wait the podcast or cancer, Uh no, no of that, only the podcast and then general fun things in life.

Yeah, murder cancer, You're gonna be the smartest person you know because you've dealt with this thing and.

Yeah, murder cancer, You're gonna be the smartest person you know because you've dealt with this thing and.

You're gonna have a great perspective online. So I actually know many cancer survivors. And the cool part about it is once you get through that all that bullshit of like that girl took my brush and now I'm going to try to ruin, and you don't do that shit anymore because you're like, yeah, you're like, oh, I understand what loss is. Yeah, and I understand the gift of life that we have right now.

You're gonna have a great perspective online. So I actually know many cancer survivors. And the cool part about it is once you get through that all that bullshit of like that girl took my brush and now I'm going to try to ruin, and you don't do that shit anymore because you're like, yeah, you're like, oh, I understand what loss is. Yeah, and I understand the gift of life that we have right now.

And my family who was there for me, and I'd like that we were able to get through this together. The fact that her dad listens to that on the word that listens to this bullshit. You guys, Sorry, we cursed, stay.

And my family who was there for me, and I'd like that we were able to get through this together. The fact that her dad listens to that on the word that listens to this bullshit. You guys, Sorry, we cursed, stay.

Strong, we love you, We're thinking of you. Oh we're back. Thank you Tween Sensation and your dad for that amazing title suggestion. That's amazing.

Strong, we love you, We're thinking of you. Oh we're back. Thank you Tween Sensation and your dad for that amazing title suggestion. That's amazing.

And then of course you better believe that some awesome murder Reino created our logo with this brand new title. Will put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials. It was Jason Klein.

And then of course you better believe that some awesome murder Reino created our logo with this brand new title. Will put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials. It was Jason Klein.

Jason Klein was like the wife's oute of the house, the kids are asleep. You better believe I'm making you a logo that's the best.

Jason Klein was like the wife's oute of the house, the kids are asleep. You better believe I'm making you a logo that's the best.

It's so good. It looks exactly like it.

It's so good. It looks exactly like it.

Apparently we really loved Stranger Things. I don't remember having that sort of passion.

Apparently we really loved Stranger Things. I don't remember having that sort of passion.

I don't either. The first season I think was fucking excellent and that's why.

I don't either. The first season I think was fucking excellent and that's why.

Maybe it was the newness of the style, and then it truly has been on for seasons and seasons.

Maybe it was the newness of the style, and then it truly has been on for seasons and seasons.

Yeah, mystery, eighties mystery with like great clothes music. Yes, the scenery is just like spot On. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

Yeah, mystery, eighties mystery with like great clothes music. Yes, the scenery is just like spot On. There's like a missing child aspect to it, which is always exciting.

Somebody like that. Look a young girl with a shaved head who looks like she's in a daze with a bloody nose. Boom, I'm in.

Somebody like that. Look a young girl with a shaved head who looks like she's in a daze with a bloody nose. Boom, I'm in.

Yeah, what is this?

Yeah, what is this?

I'm hooked? What happened to her? Yeah? All right, Well it's time to get into yeah one of Oh god, I know this is kind of an epic true crime story because it is connected to another true crime story, which is like those are very rare and horrifying, and this one is one of the worst. So let's listen to Georgia tell the story of the seventy park killer. Carrie Stayner, I think you're versus week my first Yeah.

I'm hooked? What happened to her? Yeah? All right, Well it's time to get into yeah one of Oh god, I know this is kind of an epic true crime story because it is connected to another true crime story, which is like those are very rare and horrifying, and this one is one of the worst. So let's listen to Georgia tell the story of the seventy park killer. Carrie Stayner, I think you're versus week my first Yeah.

All right, settle in, Karen, Okay, get ready to hear about something we've talked about we've touched on before, okay, but we never delved into, Okay, the Yosemite murders. Carrie Stainer. As we know, and we've talked about Carrie Stayner, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up in this. Carrie Stayner was the big brother of Steven Stainer, whof you'll remember in nineteen seventy two was kidnapped and held captive by a child luster named Kenneth Parnell. Carrie was the older brother and he was eleven years old when it happened, Yeah, when it happened, and Steven the brother was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should.

All right, settle in, Karen, Okay, get ready to hear about something we've talked about we've touched on before, okay, but we never delved into, Okay, the Yosemite murders. Carrie Stainer. As we know, and we've talked about Carrie Stayner, here's just like the beginning of the fucked up in this. Carrie Stayner was the big brother of Steven Stainer, whof you'll remember in nineteen seventy two was kidnapped and held captive by a child luster named Kenneth Parnell. Carrie was the older brother and he was eleven years old when it happened, Yeah, when it happened, and Steven the brother was held captive more than seven years before escaping. That itself is a fucked up story that you guys should.

Look up so awful. And this was one of our earliest episodes. We were trying to remember the name of that the made for TV movie which is called I Know my Name is Steven. Yes, And we talked about it for way too long, and we're still getting people that are tweeting at us and sending his emails saying it was called I Know my Name is Stephen. It's like that happened six months ago.

Look up so awful. And this was one of our earliest episodes. We were trying to remember the name of that the made for TV movie which is called I Know my Name is Steven. Yes, And we talked about it for way too long, and we're still getting people that are tweeting at us and sending his emails saying it was called I Know my Name is Stephen. It's like that happened six months ago.

Well, when we talked about that that was the first time I found out that these two were brothers, because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Steven's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it it just it makes it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.

Well, when we talked about that that was the first time I found out that these two were brothers, because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Steven's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it it just it makes it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer and you're like, how does your brain do that? And we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there.

Also, it makes me think this poor family, oh my, we totally is left standing. It's just like, how much can some people take?

Also, it makes me think this poor family, oh my, we totally is left standing. It's just like, how much can some people take?

Those parents? Hair Man, Yeah, it's so much. Well, so, the year after Stephen came back, I'm gonna call him Carrie, Carrie's uncle was murdered and Carrie was living with the uncle at the time, but no one considered a misvespect, and Carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him. Oh No. Cut to nineteen ninety seven, Carrie was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in el Porto, just outside of the Highway wood Forty Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite Nashville National Park, So just outside Ysemite Cedar Lodge. The weekend before February nineteen ninety nine, he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone. He prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope, a roll of duct tape, and a serrated kitchen knife, and later a gun and a camera, and as far as we know other besides his uncle, which may or may not have happened, this is his first These are his first murders. Okay, So on Valentine's Day nineteen ninety nine, Carol's son, who was forty two, her daughter Julie, who was fifteen, and uh Sylvina Paloso, who was sixteen, were his first victims. Carol was initially leery of Carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix a fan in the bathroom. She talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in, and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager to like confirm it, and she was like no, no, no, no, no, that's okay. You know the way.

Those parents? Hair Man, Yeah, it's so much. Well, so, the year after Stephen came back, I'm gonna call him Carrie, Carrie's uncle was murdered and Carrie was living with the uncle at the time, but no one considered a misvespect, and Carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him. Oh No. Cut to nineteen ninety seven, Carrie was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in el Porto, just outside of the Highway wood Forty Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite Nashville National Park, So just outside Ysemite Cedar Lodge. The weekend before February nineteen ninety nine, he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone. He prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope, a roll of duct tape, and a serrated kitchen knife, and later a gun and a camera, and as far as we know other besides his uncle, which may or may not have happened, this is his first These are his first murders. Okay, So on Valentine's Day nineteen ninety nine, Carol's son, who was forty two, her daughter Julie, who was fifteen, and uh Sylvina Paloso, who was sixteen, were his first victims. Carol was initially leery of Carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix a fan in the bathroom. She talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in, and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager to like confirm it, and she was like no, no, no, no, no, that's okay. You know the way.

People do, which is when they give you the double confirmation of like, oh, don't worry. Yeah, do the thing you want me to do.

People do, which is when they give you the double confirmation of like, oh, don't worry. Yeah, do the thing you want me to do.

Right.

Right.

Well, if you say that, then well if you.

Well, if you say that, then well if you.

Say you're going to do the thing I want you to do, then you must be legit right then?

Say you're going to do the thing I want you to do, then you must be legit right then?

Okay, yeah, all right, I'll do it. So but once inside, he pulls out a twenty two caliber pistol, He tells them he's desperate quote and orders them to lie face down on the bed. He bounds their hands with duct tape, gags them, and then he took the two girls into the bathroom. He strangles Carol with a three foot piece of rope, later saying in his taped confession, I didn't realize how hard it is to strangle a person. It's not easy, but I had very little feeling. It was like performing a task.

Okay, yeah, all right, I'll do it. So but once inside, he pulls out a twenty two caliber pistol, He tells them he's desperate quote and orders them to lie face down on the bed. He bounds their hands with duct tape, gags them, and then he took the two girls into the bathroom. He strangles Carol with a three foot piece of rope, later saying in his taped confession, I didn't realize how hard it is to strangle a person. It's not easy, but I had very little feeling. It was like performing a task.

Yeah, keep that in mind. If it's really hard to strangle something, very hard, so don't maybe don't do it.

Yeah, keep that in mind. If it's really hard to strangle something, very hard, so don't maybe don't do it.

Yeah, it's harder than one thinks. So after putting her in the trunk of her rented Pontiac, he goes back to the girls, cuts their clothes off, and then I'm He strangles Sylviana in the bathroom, and then he sexually assaults Julie in the family motel room in the motel room and then wraps her up and ties he ties her to the bed. He says he felt like he was in control for the first time in his life, and he cleaned up the crime scene so well that it appeared that the women had checked out and left when the when the people came to check the staff. When the staff came later to check to see if they were there, they had detected no foul play. Let's see. He even wiped his hair off the bed sheets. And then when the FBI agent asked on tape why he did that, he replied, I watched the Discovery channel. Oh no, Hi, that's all of us.

Yeah, it's harder than one thinks. So after putting her in the trunk of her rented Pontiac, he goes back to the girls, cuts their clothes off, and then I'm He strangles Sylviana in the bathroom, and then he sexually assaults Julie in the family motel room in the motel room and then wraps her up and ties he ties her to the bed. He says he felt like he was in control for the first time in his life, and he cleaned up the crime scene so well that it appeared that the women had checked out and left when the when the people came to check the staff. When the staff came later to check to see if they were there, they had detected no foul play. Let's see. He even wiped his hair off the bed sheets. And then when the FBI agent asked on tape why he did that, he replied, I watched the Discovery channel. Oh no, Hi, that's all of us.

Yep. Oh yeah, everyone's getting real smart about forens together good and bad.

Yep. Oh yeah, everyone's getting real smart about forens together good and bad.

Yeah, for sure. So at four there I am. He takes Julie out of the motel and drives her away in the rental car with her her mother and sisters and friend in the bat in the trunk. So she's still alive, yes, okay, And I don't know. I don't think she knows that those two are dead and in the trunk because he kind of there was two motel rooms that he was going between, and I don't think she ever saw the bodies.

Yeah, for sure. So at four there I am. He takes Julie out of the motel and drives her away in the rental car with her her mother and sisters and friend in the bat in the trunk. So she's still alive, yes, okay, And I don't know. I don't think she knows that those two are dead and in the trunk because he kind of there was two motel rooms that he was going between, and I don't think she ever saw the bodies.

She just thought she was separated.

She just thought she was separated.

Yeah, so she says. He says, I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing. I just kept driving and driving. And he said about Julie, she was a very likable girl, he said, crying on tape. She was very calm. So Don is approaching. He turns off at Lake Don Pedro and carries Julie up a dirt path to a small clearing overlooking the water. I told her I wished I could keep her, he said. Then he sexually assaulted her again, finally brushed her hair and fanned it out on the ground beneath her head. I told her I loved her, he said, And then he s lit her throat. Oh no, I didn't want her to suffer the way the other two did. A too late aster, I know, like I think, because he choked them manually. He was thinking that it was taking longer, so he slid her throat, thinking he was naratively. Yeah, like, thinking he was being compassionate. So he hides her body and he drives the car with the bodies in the trunk as far as he couldn't do the forest. Then he takes a cab back to Yosemite, pays with the fare with one hundred and fifty dollars she stole from Carol's purse. Two days later, he returns to the car with a can of gasoline and scratches we have Sarah on the hood with a pocket knife, and then he lights the car on fire. Then he drove two hours west and dumped Carol's billfold on a modesto street corner to fool the police. Says, near where you're from, kind.

Yeah, so she says. He says, I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing. I just kept driving and driving. And he said about Julie, she was a very likable girl, he said, crying on tape. She was very calm. So Don is approaching. He turns off at Lake Don Pedro and carries Julie up a dirt path to a small clearing overlooking the water. I told her I wished I could keep her, he said. Then he sexually assaulted her again, finally brushed her hair and fanned it out on the ground beneath her head. I told her I loved her, he said, And then he s lit her throat. Oh no, I didn't want her to suffer the way the other two did. A too late aster, I know, like I think, because he choked them manually. He was thinking that it was taking longer, so he slid her throat, thinking he was naratively. Yeah, like, thinking he was being compassionate. So he hides her body and he drives the car with the bodies in the trunk as far as he couldn't do the forest. Then he takes a cab back to Yosemite, pays with the fare with one hundred and fifty dollars she stole from Carol's purse. Two days later, he returns to the car with a can of gasoline and scratches we have Sarah on the hood with a pocket knife, and then he lights the car on fire. Then he drove two hours west and dumped Carol's billfold on a modesto street corner to fool the police. Says, near where you're from, kind.

Of, kind of, it's the central Valley, Okay, we're more on the coast.

Of, kind of, it's the central Valley, Okay, we're more on the coast.

Okay. So more than a month later, the remains of Carol, Sunda, and Palosa were found in the burned out rental car abandoned along a logging road, and six days later the FBI reved an anonymous letter with a crudely drawn map in a message, we had fun with this one, and following the map, the searchers found Julie. The detectives began interviewing employees of the Cedar Lodge motel, where the first three victims had been staying just before their deaths. One of the employees was Carrie, but he was not considered a suspect at that point. He has no criminal history and remained calm during the police interview. Fucking psychopath, right, my god. FBI agents and local police rounded up a bunch of meth heads and sex offenders and told the tourists and residents that they were confident they had the killers in custody. That da da da da Okay. So another woman disappears on July twenty second. This is Joey Ruth Armstrong Joie, who was twenty six. She was a pretty redhead who worked for the Yosemite Institute teaching children about nature. Oh sweet Angel. She worked at the Let's see Dad. That was long in the isolated cabin where she lived when Carrie came upon her, man, we can't have anything. We can't even live alone.

Okay. So more than a month later, the remains of Carol, Sunda, and Palosa were found in the burned out rental car abandoned along a logging road, and six days later the FBI reved an anonymous letter with a crudely drawn map in a message, we had fun with this one, and following the map, the searchers found Julie. The detectives began interviewing employees of the Cedar Lodge motel, where the first three victims had been staying just before their deaths. One of the employees was Carrie, but he was not considered a suspect at that point. He has no criminal history and remained calm during the police interview. Fucking psychopath, right, my god. FBI agents and local police rounded up a bunch of meth heads and sex offenders and told the tourists and residents that they were confident they had the killers in custody. That da da da da Okay. So another woman disappears on July twenty second. This is Joey Ruth Armstrong Joie, who was twenty six. She was a pretty redhead who worked for the Yosemite Institute teaching children about nature. Oh sweet Angel. She worked at the Let's see Dad. That was long in the isolated cabin where she lived when Carrie came upon her, man, we can't have anything. We can't even live alone.

Don't well, But living in a cabin alone in the woods.

Don't well, But living in a cabin alone in the woods.

Yeah, but guys gonna do it. What guys got to live alone in the cabin in the woods without getting murdered for the most part.

Yeah, but guys gonna do it. What guys got to live alone in the cabin in the woods without getting murdered for the most part.

Yeah, And they're guys, That's what I'm saying. It's not there, No, I know, I'm more and I'm still in the mode of if you're going to live in a cabin in the woods, then pull your gun out anytime someone approaches your home.

Yeah, And they're guys, That's what I'm saying. It's not there, No, I know, I'm more and I'm still in the mode of if you're going to live in a cabin in the woods, then pull your gun out anytime someone approaches your home.

Yeah, like I don't know, or or big dogs, big anger, scary dogs.

Yeah, like I don't know, or or big dogs, big anger, scary dogs.

I have maga. I don't know.

I have maga. I don't know.

Yeah, no, I get it.

Yeah, no, I get it.

Don't be all chill.

Don't be all chill.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to live. I like living in a big city where there's just people everywhere. Yeah, on top of you all the time. So, according to the interview, Carrie confronted Armstrong a gunpoint on the front porch of her cabin.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to live. I like living in a big city where there's just people everywhere. Yeah, on top of you all the time. So, according to the interview, Carrie confronted Armstrong a gunpoint on the front porch of her cabin.

Oh he had a gun.

Oh he had a gun.

Yeah. He told her it was a robbery and forced her to the cabin and covered her mouth and bound her hands behind her back with duct tape. Then he put her in his sports utility vehicle SUV. I could have just a thank you. Someone needed a extra word count in their newspaper piece, right, did.

Yeah. He told her it was a robbery and forced her to the cabin and covered her mouth and bound her hands behind her back with duct tape. Then he put her in his sports utility vehicle SUV. I could have just a thank you. Someone needed a extra word count in their newspaper piece, right, did.

You also draw a picture?

You also draw a picture?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Piece five is just one big.

Piece five is just one big.

Well, like copied a couple of these sentences and that was one of them. And now I'm like that guy just needed a higher word count. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, he said, I lost control of myself and I lost control of her. Let's see, he said, when this started out, I had no intention of cutting her head off, which he later did. Spoiler alert man, he says, he has no intention of cutting her head off. I had no intentions of killing her even the first time I saw her. Yeah, right then I started thinking about it. It was in the house. There was there was nobody in the house with her. She kept walking out by herself, and she watered the plants, and it was obvious she was taking off and getting ready to go. That's when I started talking to her. So the assistant US attorney then okay. In court papers, it was said after he had driven a short distance, she drove head first out of the window, through the window, out of the moving truck, and still bound with duct tape, ran through the woods toward the nearby community of Fista to get help. Hell, yeah, girl, good for you fight your fucking last fight. Yeah, you know, I don't know if that was the right saying. Well, Carrie ultimately subdued Armstrong. She fought so crazy and with such passion that Stayner wasn't able to do his normal cleanup job. Like obsessive cleanup job. He disposed of her beheaded body near in a nearby stream, and the head turned up twenty seven feet away. In a hurry, he fleed, and a close sort he fled. He fleed. No, he fleed, Karen, don't fucking correct when I say let her count, He fleed, Sorry to correct. You know you're right, he fled. A close source close to the investor, Oh my god, I think you were pointing that out. No, I did not catch that, says. It was a fight from start to finish. She tried to get away, and she almost did get away, and those several minutes of struggle left behind a lot of evidence. Her determined fight for life denied him the chance to cover up the crime scene, and it led to his capture and undoubtedly saved other lives.

Well, like copied a couple of these sentences and that was one of them. And now I'm like that guy just needed a higher word count. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, he said, I lost control of myself and I lost control of her. Let's see, he said, when this started out, I had no intention of cutting her head off, which he later did. Spoiler alert man, he says, he has no intention of cutting her head off. I had no intentions of killing her even the first time I saw her. Yeah, right then I started thinking about it. It was in the house. There was there was nobody in the house with her. She kept walking out by herself, and she watered the plants, and it was obvious she was taking off and getting ready to go. That's when I started talking to her. So the assistant US attorney then okay. In court papers, it was said after he had driven a short distance, she drove head first out of the window, through the window, out of the moving truck, and still bound with duct tape, ran through the woods toward the nearby community of Fista to get help. Hell, yeah, girl, good for you fight your fucking last fight. Yeah, you know, I don't know if that was the right saying. Well, Carrie ultimately subdued Armstrong. She fought so crazy and with such passion that Stayner wasn't able to do his normal cleanup job. Like obsessive cleanup job. He disposed of her beheaded body near in a nearby stream, and the head turned up twenty seven feet away. In a hurry, he fleed, and a close sort he fled. He fleed. No, he fleed, Karen, don't fucking correct when I say let her count, He fleed, Sorry to correct. You know you're right, he fled. A close source close to the investor, Oh my god, I think you were pointing that out. No, I did not catch that, says. It was a fight from start to finish. She tried to get away, and she almost did get away, and those several minutes of struggle left behind a lot of evidence. Her determined fight for life denied him the chance to cover up the crime scene, and it led to his capture and undoubtedly saved other lives.

Yes, she basically ended it yep, by fighting hard, fuck.

Yes, she basically ended it yep, by fighting hard, fuck.

And fought so hard that he lost it. And like so, in his haste, he left behind footprints and basically his car was seen around the area. It was really distinctive. The tire tracks as were as well as were as well, and so the vehicle was traced to him and he was arrested and during his interrogation he confessed to all four murders. He pled not guilty by reason of insanity, and it A doctor testified that he had mild autism, obsessive compulsive disorder, and paraphilia. At one point during the trial, the judge, Thomas C. Hastings, had to leave the courtroom so he could compose himself in private because the testimony was so fucked up. He returned several minutes later, red faced and misty eyed. A judge. The circumstances of this case are horrendous and devastating, he said, before announcing the sentence. Carrie was found sane and convicted of four counts of first to pre murder by a jury in two thousand and one. He was sentenced to death and is still in San Quentin, he claimed after his arrest. So everyone's like, did you get these murderous tendencies because of the stuff with your brother? Yeah, and all this horrible stuff that happened as a kid. But he said after his arrest that he had fantasized about murder and women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother. So what are the chances like those two traumatic fucks up things are going to happen in one family? So awful, okay. And then I went on Facebook and found a hometown murder from a reader, so I'm going to read it, okay. So Taylor C. Says In June of nineteen ninety nine, I was eleven and my brother was eight. My family and I went on a road trip to Yosemite from LA and All Caps stayed in the Cedar Lodge motel. This is for everyone. This is right between the murder of the three women and the murder of a single woman, like months before, like months in between. Oh Man. Around nine thirty at night, my brother and I were watching Batman and Robin and we get a knock at the door. My mom looks through the people, sees some dude and asks what he wants. He says, pizza delivery. We had already eaten, so we knew no one had ordered a pizza. My mom tells him as much, and he insists that we did. My mom tells him that he must have been mistaken, but he keeps insisting. After a certain point, my mom walks away and assumes he did as well. Several minutes of knocking later, my mom calls the hotel management. He must have heard her on the phone because when they showed when they showed up, he was gone. My mom foiled a police report, but nothing really ever came of it. When I think when they caught him she was briefly interviewed, but because she didn't get a good look at him, she wasn't useful in the case to think, my brother and I could have died while watching Arnold laying down some truly excellent ice puns because they were watching Where'd it Go? Batman? And Robin Oh fucked up? Shit?

And fought so hard that he lost it. And like so, in his haste, he left behind footprints and basically his car was seen around the area. It was really distinctive. The tire tracks as were as well as were as well, and so the vehicle was traced to him and he was arrested and during his interrogation he confessed to all four murders. He pled not guilty by reason of insanity, and it A doctor testified that he had mild autism, obsessive compulsive disorder, and paraphilia. At one point during the trial, the judge, Thomas C. Hastings, had to leave the courtroom so he could compose himself in private because the testimony was so fucked up. He returned several minutes later, red faced and misty eyed. A judge. The circumstances of this case are horrendous and devastating, he said, before announcing the sentence. Carrie was found sane and convicted of four counts of first to pre murder by a jury in two thousand and one. He was sentenced to death and is still in San Quentin, he claimed after his arrest. So everyone's like, did you get these murderous tendencies because of the stuff with your brother? Yeah, and all this horrible stuff that happened as a kid. But he said after his arrest that he had fantasized about murder and women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother. So what are the chances like those two traumatic fucks up things are going to happen in one family? So awful, okay. And then I went on Facebook and found a hometown murder from a reader, so I'm going to read it, okay. So Taylor C. Says In June of nineteen ninety nine, I was eleven and my brother was eight. My family and I went on a road trip to Yosemite from LA and All Caps stayed in the Cedar Lodge motel. This is for everyone. This is right between the murder of the three women and the murder of a single woman, like months before, like months in between. Oh Man. Around nine thirty at night, my brother and I were watching Batman and Robin and we get a knock at the door. My mom looks through the people, sees some dude and asks what he wants. He says, pizza delivery. We had already eaten, so we knew no one had ordered a pizza. My mom tells him as much, and he insists that we did. My mom tells him that he must have been mistaken, but he keeps insisting. After a certain point, my mom walks away and assumes he did as well. Several minutes of knocking later, my mom calls the hotel management. He must have heard her on the phone because when they showed when they showed up, he was gone. My mom foiled a police report, but nothing really ever came of it. When I think when they caught him she was briefly interviewed, but because she didn't get a good look at him, she wasn't useful in the case to think, my brother and I could have died while watching Arnold laying down some truly excellent ice puns because they were watching Where'd it Go? Batman? And Robin Oh fucked up? Shit?

Did she say it was just her mom? It was her brother and her mom.

Did she say it was just her mom? It was her brother and her mom.

Her and her brother and her mom.

Her and her brother and her mom.

So like he spotted like moms with kids.

So like he spotted like moms with kids.

Yeah, he needs to targeted them, man, But why would you do it again in the same I mean, I guess you didn't get caught first.

Yeah, he needs to targeted them, man, But why would you do it again in the same I mean, I guess you didn't get caught first.

Yeah, you didn't get caught in your cocky And he has still has the fantasy like he still has it's the compulsion.

Yeah, you didn't get caught in your cocky And he has still has the fantasy like he still has it's the compulsion.

And then there's sometimes that thing of like maybe you wanted to get caught.

And then there's sometimes that thing of like maybe you wanted to get caught.

Yes, Well, it surprised me when you said that he cried when he was talking about the first girl.

Yes, Well, it surprised me when you said that he cried when he was talking about the first girl.

Well when that when during the trial, when a lot of the stuff is being discord when he was listening to his own testimony, he would he would plug up his ears and cry like he couldn't listen to it. Even though when he was giving that information during the interrogation, he was like like dead, you know, emotionally dead.

Well when that when during the trial, when a lot of the stuff is being discord when he was listening to his own testimony, he would he would plug up his ears and cry like he couldn't listen to it. Even though when he was giving that information during the interrogation, he was like like dead, you know, emotionally dead.

Wow.

Wow.

So either that was just for the just for the show, for the jury. Oh that's true, or you know, maybe he was on anti psychotics or something at that point and understood or if.

So either that was just for the just for the show, for the jury. Oh that's true, or you know, maybe he was on anti psychotics or something at that point and understood or if.

He was like yeah, he was like, hadn't processed anything, Yeah, confess, Yeah, Okay, we're back, Georgia. Are there any updates for this story?

He was like yeah, he was like, hadn't processed anything, Yeah, confess, Yeah, Okay, we're back, Georgia. Are there any updates for this story?

Yeah, there are some. You know. In before today's episode, I was reading a bunch of articles about everything because I'm so curious personally about any other murders he may have committed that we don't know about, and there's just still no information about that whatsoever. So that's kind of I mean, I just I feel like it has to be there. But so, Carrie Stayner is now sixty three years old. He's still incarcerated at San Quentin, and as I mentioned, they are looking into him for five other killings dating back to the eighties and there's just including his own uncle, and there's still nothing and he's never been charged in those cases. And then the FBI later revealed that Carrie Stayner originally planned to murder his then girlfriend that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children, and he attempted three separate occasions, but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived, leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge motel instead. And actually one of the little girls, one of the daughters of the then girlfriend, has come forward and talked about him as like the perfect, you know, stepdad type, and they had no clue whatsoever, of course, you know, and then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her Life's really moving. But yeah, in general, it's just like just such a fuck story.

Yeah, there are some. You know. In before today's episode, I was reading a bunch of articles about everything because I'm so curious personally about any other murders he may have committed that we don't know about, and there's just still no information about that whatsoever. So that's kind of I mean, I just I feel like it has to be there. But so, Carrie Stayner is now sixty three years old. He's still incarcerated at San Quentin, and as I mentioned, they are looking into him for five other killings dating back to the eighties and there's just including his own uncle, and there's still nothing and he's never been charged in those cases. And then the FBI later revealed that Carrie Stayner originally planned to murder his then girlfriend that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children, and he attempted three separate occasions, but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived, leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge motel instead. And actually one of the little girls, one of the daughters of the then girlfriend, has come forward and talked about him as like the perfect, you know, stepdad type, and they had no clue whatsoever, of course, you know, and then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her Life's really moving. But yeah, in general, it's just like just such a fuck story.

It's just it's so dark and so odd, the like because I think someone in this story he was arrested and then someone asked him if he got his murder's tendencies because of what happened to his brother, and he was like, no, I've been fantasizing about murders since I was seven years old. So dark, just terrible.

It's just it's so dark and so odd, the like because I think someone in this story he was arrested and then someone asked him if he got his murder's tendencies because of what happened to his brother, and he was like, no, I've been fantasizing about murders since I was seven years old. So dark, just terrible.

I know. I think there's a really good documentary out there about this too, if you want to check it out. All right, well, let's get to your wild story. Wild also heartbreaking. This is Karen's story about Clark Rockefeller.

I know. I think there's a really good documentary out there about this too, if you want to check it out. All right, well, let's get to your wild story. Wild also heartbreaking. This is Karen's story about Clark Rockefeller.

All right, are you ready to transition?

All right, are you ready to transition?

Always?

Always?

Because mine? I actually this. I was watching this documentary this weekend about this guy that I'm going to talk about, and it's very entertaining. Even though he is also a murderer, he is more a con man, which I actually kind of.

Because mine? I actually this. I was watching this documentary this weekend about this guy that I'm going to talk about, and it's very entertaining. Even though he is also a murderer, he is more a con man, which I actually kind of.

Adore, Like a mobster who won't kill women and children.

Adore, Like a mobster who won't kill women and children.

Yes, and you're like, you know what, you know when you can like pick and choose the bad, like this is the kind that I like. Where for the most part, now he is a borderline personality. I think extreme narcissists. They have all kinds of you know. The psychiatrist talked about what he was in court, but he basically what it was. He is a guy who grew up in Germany as a very awkward teen. In this documentary they talk about how he when all their friends would go to like the to the lake every summer. He would always go, but he would be fully dressed up and he would never they never saw him in a bathing suit.

Yes, and you're like, you know what, you know when you can like pick and choose the bad, like this is the kind that I like. Where for the most part, now he is a borderline personality. I think extreme narcissists. They have all kinds of you know. The psychiatrist talked about what he was in court, but he basically what it was. He is a guy who grew up in Germany as a very awkward teen. In this documentary they talk about how he when all their friends would go to like the to the lake every summer. He would always go, but he would be fully dressed up and he would never they never saw him in a bathing suit.

Christ Is Hitler.

Christ Is Hitler.

That man's name was mister Adolph Marie Hitler. No, uh, this was uh well, he was born Christian Carl Gerhartschweiter, but he had many names in his long con career. He also went by the name Chris Chichester, Chris Crowe, Chip Smith, and finally Clark Rockefeller, heir to the Rockefeller You know this guy, it's called my friend Rockefeller.

That man's name was mister Adolph Marie Hitler. No, uh, this was uh well, he was born Christian Carl Gerhartschweiter, but he had many names in his long con career. He also went by the name Chris Chichester, Chris Crowe, Chip Smith, and finally Clark Rockefeller, heir to the Rockefeller You know this guy, it's called my friend Rockefeller.

Yeah, I never got through it, so tell me everything.

Yeah, I never got through it, so tell me everything.

It is here. It's worth getting to the part where Clark Rockefeller or Chris Chichester or Chip Smith or Chris Crowe is my favorite because he when he was Chris Crow, he claimed to be a relative of Cameron Crow. He he does all these lies that are small enough. They're big enough to impress you, but small enough to be believable, right, And it is masterful and he's a really legitimately IQ style intelligent person. But he also doesn't really have any morals. So most of the time everything's fine because he's just trying to get money and like work for himself and get what he wants.

It is here. It's worth getting to the part where Clark Rockefeller or Chris Chichester or Chip Smith or Chris Crowe is my favorite because he when he was Chris Crow, he claimed to be a relative of Cameron Crow. He he does all these lies that are small enough. They're big enough to impress you, but small enough to be believable, right, And it is masterful and he's a really legitimately IQ style intelligent person. But he also doesn't really have any morals. So most of the time everything's fine because he's just trying to get money and like work for himself and get what he wants.

But fair enough, and doesn't he make like everyone happy around him too? Like everyone thinks he's so funny for.

But fair enough, and doesn't he make like everyone happy around him too? Like everyone thinks he's so funny for.

A little while. Yeah, I think the limits two years that people are happy around this guy. Then he starts getting real irritating and that's when he gets kicked out of houses, fired from jobs, what have you. But so this is basically how it goes. He grows up as an awkward teen in Germany. He has a group of friends and in the documentary, the friends get interviewed and what I loved is one of the friends goes, I love that he tricked all those rich Americans, and that part made me go, oh, yeah, that's true. He really did get away with huge, huge lies for a really long time.

A little while. Yeah, I think the limits two years that people are happy around this guy. Then he starts getting real irritating and that's when he gets kicked out of houses, fired from jobs, what have you. But so this is basically how it goes. He grows up as an awkward teen in Germany. He has a group of friends and in the documentary, the friends get interviewed and what I loved is one of the friends goes, I love that he tricked all those rich Americans, and that part made me go, oh, yeah, that's true. He really did get away with huge, huge lies for a really long time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So here's basically how it went. He also claimed to be. These are all the things he claimed to be. An actor, a producer, a director, an art collector, a physicist, a ship's captain, a negotiator of international debt agreements, and an English aristocrat. She was he did it all. So when he was seventeen, he met an American couple who had pulled off and asked him for directions on the side of the road, and he met them, got their names, and then when he wanted to go to America when he was seventeen, he used their names on the entrance documents to say that they had invited him there and that he was going to go live with them. This was a one off meeting on the side of the road, and those people are also in this documentary. It's pretty awesome. So he comes to the United States and he goes to Meriden, Connecticut, and he finds the family of a backpacker he met one it's on a train in Germany.

So here's basically how it went. He also claimed to be. These are all the things he claimed to be. An actor, a producer, a director, an art collector, a physicist, a ship's captain, a negotiator of international debt agreements, and an English aristocrat. She was he did it all. So when he was seventeen, he met an American couple who had pulled off and asked him for directions on the side of the road, and he met them, got their names, and then when he wanted to go to America when he was seventeen, he used their names on the entrance documents to say that they had invited him there and that he was going to go live with them. This was a one off meeting on the side of the road, and those people are also in this documentary. It's pretty awesome. So he comes to the United States and he goes to Meriden, Connecticut, and he finds the family of a backpacker he met one it's on a train in Germany.

I can't even talk to the person sitting next to me on an airplane.

I can't even talk to the person sitting next to me on an airplane.

I have a hard time talking to people I've known for twenty years. Yeah, much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents' house.

I have a hard time talking to people I've known for twenty years. Yeah, much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents' house.

Oh my god. I asked HNS if I can eat some of his ships because I feel bad about it. I can't imagine me like, can I stay at your place?

Oh my god. I asked HNS if I can eat some of his ships because I feel bad about it. I can't imagine me like, can I stay at your place?

We met once and just a weird and uncomfortable Yeah, okay. So he explains to them that he is from a very wealthy German family and that he is in America, like he's a foreign exchange student, and can he stay with them because he's going to be going to the local high school. Basically, he starts going to high school in Connecticut, and basically his whole thing is he wants to be American, he wants to blend in. He becomes obsessed with Gilligan's Island and he starts talking like Thurston Helpafel.

We met once and just a weird and uncomfortable Yeah, okay. So he explains to them that he is from a very wealthy German family and that he is in America, like he's a foreign exchange student, and can he stay with them because he's going to be going to the local high school. Basically, he starts going to high school in Connecticut, and basically his whole thing is he wants to be American, he wants to blend in. He becomes obsessed with Gilligan's Island and he starts talking like Thurston Helpafel.

Oh that's cool.

Oh that's cool.

And when he appears in this documentary, that's who he's talking like. And it wasn't until I was reading this article where they mentioned this specifically where I started laughing.

And when he appears in this documentary, that's who he's talking like. And it wasn't until I was reading this article where they mentioned this specifically where I started laughing.

Because they don't talk about him the documentary.

Because they don't talk about him the documentary.

He does talk about it, but they talk about it like it's an inside he goes. The guy who makes the documentary, who was friends with him, brings it up, but they don't like he bade the Clark Rockfeller like kind of brushes it off like oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but he totally sounds like him. But he's talking like like God, that's perfect, and he's basically saying it's the funniest. But also it's that thing where I don't like to Usually I don't like to listen to killers, especially I never watch anything where the serial killer's talking. I don't give a fuck what that guy has to say. He's evil. This guy's different though, because he's a con man first and foremost. Even though yes he's a bad person, killer, all of that, but he is a fascinating mind because he was smart enough to like, as a teen, can all these people so he goes. He goes to this high school. He decides that he wants to be an actor, so he heads west, but he makes it as far as Wisconsin, and he decides he's going to go to the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee. So once he's there, he decides he needs to he's been in the United States long enough where he needs a green card basically, and he's become a citizen. So he decides he's going to marry a local twenty two year old woman who he explains to her that he needs the green card because if he gets sent back to Germany, he will have to fight in the Cold War on the Russian Front. Now, if you knew anything about anything, I mean, and I barely know anything about anything, but when I read that, I was like, hey, wait a second, I'm pretty sure the Cold War doesn't have a front, because the Cold War was all about tensions and basically threats. There's no such thing as there was no Russian Front in the Cold War. I mean, there were places to go, there were bad things happening. Definitely. He if the idea was that he was going to get sent back to like East Berlin and have to spy on his neighbors. Yes, horrible, but there was no.