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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives

Published Dec 25, 2024, 8:01 AM

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This week, K & G recap Episode 25: Twenty Knives. Georgia discussed Christopher Dorner’s killing spree and Karen covered the tragic Cheshire Murders. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more!

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Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia and if you celebrate merry freaking Christmas.

Oh, hi, Mary, Christmas, what'd you get? This is our new Wednesday episode where we recap our old episodes, We give you case updates, we talk about what we'd wish we'd talked about the first time around the whole shebang.

And today we're recapping episode twenty five, which came out on Thursday July fourteenth, twenty sixteen, which we named twenty.

Knives just a nice rhyme instead of twenty five.

Sure, twenty knives twenty knives. That doesn't make any sense.

It's just a rhyme, like it's so homage and you see Russell fives. Okay, I'm in okay, look listen, okay, let's listen to how we started that episode.

Here we go? Did it start?

Hi?

Kars, Georgia high, how are you pretty good? And yourself? Thank you good? Now we've never met before? Is that correct? One person this whole podcast? Husband over the phone? Right, yep. But now you and I are legally married so you can enter the country.

I'm so excited to not have to be Canadian anymore. It's such a disgusting place.

Kidding, but we have to, like, we have to fake our green card marriage to the authorities too. That's right, So you're gonna have to know a lot about me. Who's my third grade teacher? You like when you say, who's my third grade teacher? Oh, missus Bacon? Yes, sorry, go ahead, Uh no, let's do more green card testing. I like it. That's a really funny thing.

Is like, if you you're not a true friend unless you memorize someone else's green card information so that you could pass a green car test.

Would you green card marry someone? It depends on the situation. Yeah. I feel like if you're like, you're cool, I feel like that's I did that already and you didn't even get anything out of it. You got some nice China.

I really think that China has gone untouched and can be negotiated for comes in the hatch, a full set of gorgeous, totally untouched yet probably slightly cursed.

Curse wedding China.

I think this time around, I'm gonna go for actually someone that I like and like who likes me back.

Yeah, I think it'll be better. I don't even think love needs to factor into it. I think I could over just high school crush style enjoyment of another person.

Yeah.

Just I feel like the like this is the month stoked to be around Like I have to love one used to be stoked to be around them. I mean, what's the difference. That's a good point, valid.

I mean, it's that all works out in the end, right, you just kind of end up with somebody, Yeah that sou Yeah, and try to remain stoked.

Yeah, and try to try to be your best stokable person for them.

Make sure you increase your stokeability so you're not like resisting it.

Don't even increase, it's just like make sure your stakability is like on an even plane at all times, like not at all times, because you can. Today I fucking lost my shit and cried and was like, probably not the stokiest person in the world. Yeah, I know, who would want that all the time to be around? Yeah? Plus, I like so cute when I cry, you really looks great when you answered the door all mad. My eyes get bright green. Yeah, so do mine. Yeah, I look like.

That one alien lady from Star Trek when I cry. Oh, where it's like legitimate, it legitimately scares people because my eyes turned red in one instant. Yeah, and it's I kind of look like fire Starter a little bit.

Also, you've like fires because you just get so angry. Can I tell you who I'm stoked on right now? Please?

This is going to go into I'm not sure if this is a celebrity center or our news segment called recommendations?

Wait do we call it? Do we call that anything?

Before when he talked about TV shows, we like, well, let's just call it. Check this ship, Check this ship. Ben Air boum Uh. The new HBO series The Night of Oh is so good, so good, and I am so intensely in love with Riz Ahmed, who's the lead guy.

How is he so cute?

It's because his eyes are unnaturally large and he uses them against you. Yes, like he is a trickster, like but he looks so innocent in this and sweet and like what was he in before this?

Sad?

He was in ni he was right assistant in Nightcrawler, and he's been in He's been in a bunch of stuff. He was like in the Centurion movie with Michael Fassbender.

Like shit, you're just like, oh yeah, that guy was in that long yes, he often plays a Middle Eastern person, so it's that because he's Pakistani, right, and so like he was in The Reluctant Fundamentalist.

I believe it was called with Ray Donovan. You know it's and he's British. That's the most amazing British.

Stop it. So it's it's one episode and that was like in the and it was like a pre pre showing of it. Yeah, it's a sneak previews. We don't even get the second episode. And what's this tonight? Someone told me it was tonight. Someone told me that they're showing the actual first episode tonight, So reshowing the one we've already seen. It was just stupid, So maybe not. I'll watch it. Fuck, it's so good. It's about a play. It's like a play. It's about a dude who basically, fine, let's say he finds a body. Let's just say, and why explain it and go watch it? Yeah, because because once you get into it.

See, like when I saw the previews, I thought I knew what it was, right, and then once I watched it, I was like, oh, this reminds me of the way The Wire felt.

It's who done it? Yeah? And John, It's like, who done it with John Taturo? What more do you fucking need in your life?

But also all those actors, like that guy that played the one cop with the mustache at the station is from Angels in America.

Like there's all these Broadway and like very high level but not like super commercially known actors in there. So it all feels really real. I like that. So the main cop, really it's the procedural shit is interesting because the way they talk him into getting a DNA sample from him and then casually say, we also need to swab your dick. Bro. Yeah, it was like it seemed so realistic. It's horrifying. It's just for yeah, and then like why do you need a lawyer? Casualty of it all. Let's not give too much away, all right, get into it. It's you. You'll think us, get into it, come back to us, let us know what you think.

Also, keep your Eyeppeel for Rizamed, who will be one of the stars of the next Star Wars movie. He's just an up and comer. He's he's a fresh young face that will be mine.

Says Karen kil Garrett. Then that's Karen Kilgarriff's take. That's like, that's like the like the movie review on Like Entertainment Tonight. And that's Karen Kilgarriff's take. Yeah, that part. Didn't you have a recommendation? I think that was it. Wait we had the same one. No, yes, but we were also talking about Bloodline and how you said it. What were you saying about Florida?

I can't I couldn't watch it for I tried to, like binge watch it, but I started getting high on Florida where I was feeling dizzy. It was all those like beautiful, slightly out of focused shots of the beach and like when all the Christmas lights go, it looks like the beginning of the focus features title card.

That's what that whole TV show's like. It's also like it's like it's like one hundred and two plus all the humidity. Yes you know, and then what's her name? The sister, Linna Cardolini? Thank you? Like I need you to know that. Yeah, I'm a fan. Like her outfits for a lawyer are fuck? Are you fucking kidding me? Like you mean, like her very skimpy sun dress and all she wears these scimpy fuck shorts and these like platform like Payless, and I'm not talking shit on Payless because I fucking wear the shit out of Paliss shoes. But you can't go into a court of law out dressed like that. You'd be held in contempt. Girl, that's Florida. Yeah, it's a lot, it's and her hair is always so perfect. I know, I'm lady shaming right now. Well, it's a TV show, and Kevin is just the most realistic character in all in the Hall show. That the fuck up brother. That's the fuck up brother. Yeah all right, Yeah, we had one of those in my family, Like, no matter what happened when they were coming back into town, it was like, everybody, get ready. That's why I'm scared to have kids. Like what if you have the fuck up kid? Yeah?

Oh, speaking of which, it's not one in four every four people and sociopath.

Let's do this is corrections, corner, corrections corner. I was about to say, you don't one and four chance.

I was about to repeat my same incorrect information. That's what I'm okay, you guys correct me. And someone I believe off of memory was named Clint Page on the Facebook paint who said I don't want to be a correct person, but it is not one and four. And then all these other people were like it is. I think they were saying twenty five percent.

Right, it's like one. It's like, hey, so next week, look for next week's action corner where we correct. We're sitting right now, so there's some they're also so there. So one, there's one in four people are not psychopaths. It's like one in it's not a percent. I don't know. It's not one in four. It is not one of it's way too hot. That's too low. That's way too too many. Also, we got a really beautiful email just letting us know. So last week I did Kitty gene v c as my favorite murder, and I'll say Kidney Genevieve, Kidney jeneviez you know, because that was sad because I think she got a stab in the kidney. So, Karen, that's really I didn't insensitive. I miss heard that she might have it's probable that she was a lesbian. Yeah, they talk about that in the Crime to Remember episode, right, and it's not you know this really this girl the squirrel wrote a really beautiful email to us about how it's like she's not trying to correct us and it you know, it's not it's just a part of it that's like not fair that she didn't get it to be represented. And as how she was and the girl who had to pretend to be her roommate, you know, actually had a huge loss of her partner. Yeah, and how sad that was. And you know, now we're in a time when we can we can say that she was a lesbian and not it not be like somehow taint the tragedy of what happened.

Well, in that episode of Crime to Remember, they talk about their gay relationship as being also why people weren't calling the cops because they said there were other gay people in that building that knew, Like, you don't involve the cops no matter what.

WHOA. That was part of the element.

But when you were talking about it, because it was from the brother's perspective, yeah, I wasn't gonna be like, well and also this because it's like if it wasn't in the movie or if he didn't talk about it, maybe they didn't.

Well here's the thing. I didn't finish it because my fucking computer wouldn't upload it, so that could be the whole second part of the goddamn Shore.

Oh okay, okay, that's yeah, Well, if everybody gets I mean, that's awesome that somebody wrote in if you had a chance that the A Crime to Remember episode about it is really good too. We always closed what they were the ones that thought that that guy did not do it that got caught.

Right, there was a neighbor. Yeah, we always close correction corner, which we've never done before with saying if you're getting your facts from here, like, look, look somewhere else, bro.

Right, we are We like to discuss concepts more than fast and fantasies.

Also, yes, more than facts. Like there's a reason that this podcast has categorized as comedy and.

Yeah, very a pretty good reason. Yeah, it's not we're fucking hilarious. It's not fact based.

We do our best, but there's so much talking that it's very easy to do. I guess what I did? What? Because why I didn't a fit of fucking manic episode last night? What sort of an Instagram account? Oh nice, I saw you tweet that, right, yeah, my favorite murder Instagram account? And what are you putting on there all our arts? I think? Yeah, all the arts and crafts and all the like. I just love all the like the inspiration quotes of every episode that are made by Chez Amanda. She does an incredible job of just like finding the stupidest quotes we put in, like making them into like these like right.

Trust inspirational looking posters. But it's things like I hope we don't get stabbed right to do Lunatic. It's very good.

So there's a lot of art that people are making that I'm posting And wait, are you talking about the memes? Are you talking about that girl that does like hand lettering both? Oh? Okay, I put them both up, got it. So I'm just gonna post. I'm gonna post things and stuff related to the podcast. That's good.

We can also do pictures like remember that time that I did that there was that terrible man. Oh he was one of the he was in this story about the babysitter killer. Oh he had the craziest, scariest looking mugshot of all time.

Go to Instagram to see his photo. Yeah, okay, we're back. This is where we start. Did with a lot of beautiful things. Are obsession with Risamed our fucking Instagram account.

I mean things that really made us, built us as people and podcasters.

Truly, Yeah, truly that.

If you have not seen the HBO series The Night of it is one of the most incredible false imprisonment stories. Incredible, and he's such a good actor as we all know he is.

That says he's going to be Hamlet upcoming modern adaptation of Hamlet.

Yeah, well he's going to be in it. Is he going to be Hamlett?

Says he's going to be a Hamlet?

He's going to be Hamlet?

Congratulations? What a role? Do you know?

That's somebody and I wish I had your name right now. I'm so sorry, but it is in my drawer, in my bedside table. Somebody embroidered that little bag. Do you remember that They gave it to me at a live show and it said it's embroidered Risamed's face and my face. And then it's the quote I have that it's like some insane quote I said, where it's like it's something to.

Take a photo of it and send. We'll post it on our Instagram account, which is at my favorite murder, which is still going strong.

Yeah, that's right, you know what, I'm going to take it out of that drawer.

So I'm going to bring it.

I'm going to put it on the shelf behind this, make her do it. So can you help me do that and give her a credit? It says something like I love him like you know, with the power of a thousand sounds.

Yeah, that sounds right, something.

Real crazy that when someone embroiders it, you start to realize how insane you sound, and you try to stop saying stuff like.

That, but you don't. An eight and a half years later, here you are try as you might.

So this episode is it starts heavy and then it gets really bad.

Yeah. You think we would have learned at some point, not just in the most recent past, to do a hard one and a soft one.

But no, nope, this is the way we do it, and apparently this is the way the listeners like it. So this is Georgia. She went first on this episode. It's the case of Murderer Christopher Darner.

This is a rough one. I think you're first set okay, right right as you got perfectly comforts so uncomfortable just now. I waited till you justed that pillow, all right, So I didn't know that I have I have a hometown murder, but it took place fifteen years after I moved away from my hometown, so is it technically my hometown? Yeah, if that's where you're from. So we got this really great email from this dude who was like, I've heard you mentioned you're from Irvine and that you worked in the Woodbridge Village Center at this place where I could have been killed. And we'ren't like, I just won't even know where were we dooing it. And if you come and like visit it, I'll take you to the parking garage where Christopher Dorner's killing spree started. WHOA And I was and he's like, which, I'm sure you know about? And I was like, wait, what do you know about this? I know about Christopher? Yeah, so I do too. But and this happened in twenty thirteen, which is like not that long ago, which seems like it seems like so much long ago. And I didn't realize it start in Irvine. I didn't either. Yeah, So in February twenty thirteen, Christopher Dorner, who was thirty three, started his killing spree that lasted I think two days, a couple days, two days, like a week. What is life? So he grew up in southern California. He was a former United States Navy Reserve officer. He was deployed to Baharan. He was discharged from the Navy in twenty thirteen. I think it's Bahrain, Bahrain. I just that's a guest, though I could also be wrong. As I was saying it, I was like, I'm not going to be like a Fox News correspondent who says everything wrong, and so I like said it wrong. Sorry, no, don't sorry me. Sorry, Okay. So after his tour in Iraq, it's Iraq, right, where is it Iraq? I pull that a out way longer a raq arac Araq. He goes to Los Angeles. He goes back to the Police Department seven. In two thousand and seven, he's paired with a training officer named Teresa Evans to complete his probationary training. In two thousand and eight, he files a report against her oh that she used excessive force in her treatment of a suspect who was a schizophrenic with severe dementia, and he says that Evans twice kicked this suspect in the face while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground. H No, So after he files this report. Dorner gets fired from the LAPD in two thousand and eight from making false statements. Oh, they were like, you're fucking lying, basically, And his attorney at the hearing is Randall Kwan, Qua N And he's like defending Dorner, saying that he was he was treated unfairly and he's being made a scapegoat basically, you know, saying the police department didn't want to admit that she used excessive force, so they fired him instead.

Wow, because you're not Basically you're not allowed to rat out your fellow officer, That's.

What it seems like, Dorner assumed. So he tries to get his jaw back with the LAPD's Board of Rights rejected his appeal. He took his case to court with Randall Kwan as his attorney, and a judge ruled against it in October twenty eleven. So Dorner's like basically snaps at this point. So the murders start weirdly enough, with the murder of this Randal Kwan's daughter and her fiance in Irvine in a parking structure which I was just looking up and I'm pretty shirt it's where my dad's apartment was no, Yeah, which is across they lived in the same place. Yeah, I think so. So I think it happened across the street from where I grew up, Wow, where my dad lived, because I don't even know. So February through twenty thirteen, he just fucking goes up to them they're in their car in a parking garage and shoots them. And like remember that coming out in the news and it and finding out who the father was and being like, oh shit, this is like you could tell it as a revenge killing immediately, and it's just such a fucking huge bummer that this girl and her twenty seven year old fiance name Keith Lawrence just got shot to death because this guy went crazy. So immediately you have no sympathy with this dude.

So this is his public defender that he basically or maybe not public defender, but this is his lawyer for that case, yeah, who They lost the case and he didn't get his job back, and so he went and killed that hit that lawyer's daughter and fiance.

And he had this crazy manifesto basicly basically saying basically saying that he didn't fight hard enough. He says, your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over. Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat and sleep. Look, look your wives, slash husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead because you killed them just I mean, and the don't kill the judge, not the fucking lawyer's family. I'm sorry, Right, we don't have to pick. Okay, you're right, you know what. Don't kill anyone a indeed? All right? Right, Oh gonna get hate, send your send messages.

Look to solve the problem, which would be don't kill the family, right, yes, right, So Monica Kwan and Keith Lawrence fucking shot to death.

So he has this crazy manifesto. He wants to seek revenge and he just like writes this insane I will bring unconventional, unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in the LAPD uniform, whether on or off duty, like this motherfucker is, like he's on one. He's targeting a large group of people rather than you know, individuals, which is terrifying, he says. He was terminated after we reported excess force and his and his attacks are retribution for his termination, as well as cultural racism and violence that continues within the department, so will search. So suddenly this huge manhunt is on for dinner. Police shoots. So police suddenly just start shooting people because they're freaking the fuck out. So there's a truck that that the cops thought was his truck. They shot the ship out of it.

Yeah, that's those were the two women delivering the newspaper. Yeah, and they just started shooting a truck.

Yeah. And if there's photos online of like how many fucking shots are in this truck. They also added another pickup truck matching this description of like a dude who was like on his way to go surfing in fucking Orange count or like, and they shot it up. They shot the ship out of this truck. Both everyone lived, but they also sued the ship out of Yeah. Yeah they did. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, I'm pissed about that, But I'm also like how terrifying. I mean, which is which is better?

Well, I mean this is the kind of the crux of everything that's happening right now.

Yeah, it's like scary. It is a high pressure job.

It is a scary job, and it's the kind of job where you have to be able to handle handle yourself with a on.

So if you think that.

Basically you can't start shooting vehicles because you think your suspect is inside, No, that's not the way you're allowed to apprehend people.

And the other thing too, is like, as a police officer, there's an amount of danger involved with your job that you sign up for. So you approaching the vehicle and iding the suspect and possibly getting killed by doing that is what's supposed to happen, not the possibility of civilians getting killed, right.

Yes, And I mean and that's why there's procedures so that when you approach that vehicle, you're calling in you know what I mean. Like it's like, did they yell put your hands outside of the vehicle and those two women they didn't get close enough to see it was two women. They didn't get close enough to see that. They didn't speak English. I don't know what the problem was. I don't know the details about it, but like it doesn't make sense that you just.

It's also a large j order was a large black man and they shot up two women and like a white guy who was a surfer. Yeah, so like clearly they weren't Yeah, they weren't doing enough research into this. So they find his truck abandoned and burning near Big Bear, And I remember this at this point, I was like, fuck, thank god, he's not Los Angeles. Like I totally didn't leave the house. Yep. And then two of Riverside's officers were shot in an ambush. One died, the other one was taken to the hospital. And then they believe they believe he just drove up to the vehicle at a stop light and fired with a rifle at those stududes. Thirty four year old Michael Crane, who was on the fucking Riverside Force for eleven year's side. They searched at least four hundred homes in the area. Terrifying. Do you think they found anything in certain people's houses. They were like, we'll be back for this. Yeah, we're a weird sex swing in the corner, this methlab. Way back for the Oh yeah right now, today's are lucky day. Yeah it was not luck We're watching it. We'll be back tomorrow, will be your unlucky right, right, So the manhat enters the second week, so it was two weeks. And then Karen and James Reynolds are cleaning out their Big Bear cabin that they own and rent it out not far from the command center, when they were confronted by Dorner, who had been living there for a couple of days. Oh so he broke into their empty big Bear cabin. Yeah, I also want to talk to Karen and James about why they're cleaning out their cabin at a time when there's a massive man hunt for like, Oh, that's not going to affect us. We'll just go up there and grab that wood bear toilet paper dispenser. You know, my aunt SUSY's coming up for the weekend, and you know how she gets about dust funny. Why are they Why are they southern? It's fun That's how people know.

We've gone into a scen lit, which is our newest segment, Seedlets.

Seedlets. So Karen and James, but they're kind of badasses because they were tied up in blindfold blindfolded, he took the keys to their maroon Nissan Rouge. Didn't know that was a car. I don't think it is anymore. He probably isn't because of this just continued. But he he kind of was like he said to them, like, I don't want to kill you fuckers. Like he wasn't trying to kill civilians except for the lawyers. I think he thought he had his kill lists. He wasn't just going berserk. Yeah, he didn't want to kill this dude, these this couple he just had. You know, he could have shot them and like taken whatever he wanted and lived there. He could have shot them and stayed there, and he didn't, right, not defending him, just saying yeah. So they used their teeth and a knife. They knocked up a nearby table to remove the pillowcases from their heads and zip ties from their wrists and called nine one one, Oh.

Dude, Karen and who what's her husband's name?

Richard Georgia. We're the heroes, Karen, James Reynolds. So these I mean, who escape escapes zip ties on the rag.

It's Ryan Reynolds parents. That's why they're so awesome, right, So.

Let's see here. Okay, they spotted him dry. Sorry this was in what season? Is it is? Is there snow up there? Summertime? This is December? What did I say, sorry, kar I you're really I'm trying to paint a mental picture in my mind. Whizz your quizzes. Every week you quiz me what season? What was he wearing underneath his coat? So this started in February, so so there was probably snow Middish February. Yes, it's probably cold. Okay, why because I love Big Bear? It's fun. Have you ever gone like inner tubing up there? No, but I need to best you mean, like when you like hang out in an entertainment drink beer and wander around the or like.

That would be on a river. Okay, this is what you're thinking. Yeah, that's summertime. But in the wintertime in Big Bear, they have mountains just off the side of the road and you can rent inner tube and then you go up a little like cloth escalator up the side of the snowy mountain, get up on the top. There's like a team there with a whistle or whatever, and then you just go down and it is the most fun.

If you're following my Instagram account, you will see a photo of me at five years old inner tube and Big Bear. Yes, going down the snowy hill. Huh nice. My dad lived in Lakara head for a hot minute. So you have a photo, Let's post our fucking tubing photos. Let's give them people what they want Instagram, intertubing, murder, and tubing. I might just put up a picture, just a picture of an innertube and just the celebration of inner tubes, because they really summer winter fall.

What a great vehicle for fun. Che innertube chubstu cubes chiubing.

Sorry, no, don't never be Oh wait, as I.

Karen and Richard have just escaped from the clutches of oh my god, then.

They find a purple car because how many purple Nissans are there on the Road's probably not a lot purple Nissan rouge. I feel like that was his, besides killing people, his biggest mistake. You don't get into a purple car. Don't get into a purple car.

What do you fucking guy Fieri get out of that car? No, this is not the time to flash.

This is not the time to be quirky in your car. Escapism means a beige or white car.

That's that's exactly right, right, How about a nice gold Corolla?

No one will ever look at you gold. Yeah, you actually not like bright gold, but you know, like a kind of muted a muted gold, a bronze, muted tones a bronze. But you know what a light blue? The car I drive so boring? Yes, that's right, light blue. I hate it. It's one of car that, like I walk into a parking garage' just the one that these poor people got killed him. Yah, And I want to be like, that's my orange car over there.

You do want that? Yes, you do want an orange car? Yes, okay, I really want an orange car. What can you give me an example of an orange car. There's a lot of Honda Fits that are orange. Oh yes, right, it's would you say it's a little more copper than like, say, a clown.

It's a burnt orange. Great, and I love it. That's what I'm looking for, is not clown orange? Good? Okay? Can I go on also? Se well, how do you feel about dark blue? Electric blue? I'm cool with? OKAYO cool? Coolog Goo Google Google, goog cool cool Elvis? You cool? Oh? Cool? Okay? Uh let's see they find they spot his car. He's tailing two school buses for cover. So a purple car. It's tailing two school buses? Do you mean like to hide behind them. Yeah, like to just be like I'm inconspicuous. Oh yeah, don't do that. Gun vilences. He crashes and and he runs in quickly hijacks car, jacks a pickup truck again, saying to the dude, I don't want to kill you. Get the fuck out of car, like not going to kill innocent civilian or like not innocent but un involved involves. Celiens goes to a cab, not innocinse. Are you just worried that Maybe I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that those people are are innocent. Oh yeah, yeah, people are like yeah, but they're not involved, So I don't say they're not innocent. They're innocent too. This dude Collins shows up at the at the big beer cabin where he's at the first there. I want to know where he gets shot. Wait wait, wait, who's Colin Collins? Is his cop? This San Bernardino police officer deputy who gets to the cabin where Dorin has run into after his he crashes his pickup trucks. Okay, got it. He makes his final stand here. We're coming to a close. Don't worry people who aren't into killing spreeze, which I understand. Gun drawn he gets from the cabin. He shot, but he does he lives, so don't worry about it. Yeah, beneath his left nostril, Oh, shattered his teeth and exits slightly below his straw. This is the Collins, the cool guy or Drawlin's dude. Oh. He made a joke later that he looks better now than he did before, like he's a sweet baby angel. God bless him. I mean, and he survived. I wouldn't hate getting my teeth shattered out and brand new ones.

I'll just say that. I'm just saying there's always a positive. No, I'd like him kicked out. So you're gonna come through your IPO box or.

What's so we'll do it. All of our dreams are gonna come true.

I'll keep you from getting killed by putting my teeth in front of whatever the weg gods.

She threw her teeth in front of the bullet.

She gave up those upwards, slanty irish teeth as if they were nothing.

Your teeth are fine, says the girl with a bissal line. This is lit. That's something of Madeline book. Oh yes, all right, shot again, the four fucking Collins shot again below his left knee that's got to hurt, and in his left arm, in his face and knee of the arm, which is guy, This guy uh Dorner was a sharpshooter from the Navy, So maybe he didn't. I mean, you get shot in the fucking face, you're trying to kill someone. You're trying to kill someone. That's a head shot. That's a headshot. You can't really talk your way out of that. No. Also, you made that list of people you were going to kill. Yeah, and this festival or like this guy who like lives in San Bernardino, probably with like his sweet kids and like wife whatever ex wife, I don't know.

And now he's okay to the point where he can make jokes about it.

That's what it seems, that's what the news says. Great the name, that's all I need to know. Sometimes, okay, yes, so yes, good. So police toss smoke devices into the cabin, Cavin catches fire and burn for hours and he was inside. Yeah, the sheriff they said they found charred human remains among the ashes. So do we even know if it's his box? And also people said that he had he had a gun shot in his head, but we don't know that. I don't know if that's so he killed himself and then the cabin burned down. No, I think he probably was dying from smoke and then I don't know, and then shot himself. You know, I stopped investigating at this point, Karen, I'm sorry.

Sorry, Well, I just remember this story. Yeah, yeah, And it was like they have him surrounded. They had him surrounded for a while. Then it was like we're going in and it was like he's dead.

It's over. I was watching this shit, probably at a bar. Yes, you know, like this was a big news story here in La. It really was. We I think, La, we hate our car Uh what do they call car? Cha? No, we we as people who live in LA for a long time, are sick of the news being like car chases. They're fucking egregious and stupid and obnoxious. I only saw one recently that ended amazingly, where this this woman is like making all these crazy no, no, no, this person is making all these crazy turns. I just gave it away and she like finally stops, gets out of her car, hands up. It's a woman. Everyone in the public house that I'm in cheer because they're stuck that it's a chick, and she starts walking towards them with her hands up. Then fucking makes a bolting bee line to the cop card to steal the colf corn all the way and everyone in the bar like is fucking cheering for her, and she gets caught. But it was like the sweetest move. That's amazing. It was great. What drugs do you think she was on? All of them? Okay, at least, what's the one they always told you not to do because you can?

Angel Dusty, Yeah, that's the one where you lift the cop car over your head.

Let's how about our pairs? What's not? What's it called our Instagram? No, the one you make money off of on social media? The pick anyways, Patreon, Patreon, thank you, Steven. How about Patreon? We do Angel dust and just see what happens. It's just a video of us, my kids kids. Here's what happens. I'm putting this on the to do list. We're gonna get dusted, all right. I'm finishing the crowd. So sorry. But here's the crazy thing is the police. Los Angeles Police announced the department reopened the investigation into his case that led to his termination after he was dead. What and Chief Beck said, I do not appease a murderer. I do it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all things we do. Wow, I know that happened recently. This happened on Google. Why have I asked you one question? I feel very bad. Should I be embarrassed? No, not at all. I just meant like, was it a I know what you mean. I get Here's my thing.

Every it seems like every day we spend every other police department in the world looks terrible and slowly but surely LAPD doesn't seem so bad.

They really these days. These days they don't.

If you watch the The Simpsons thirty by thirty, they don't look so good.

They don't. And that's why I feel like they're trying to be like sorry about that one.

But I mean something like that where it would be worst case scenario, if it was like what if he was right the whole time?

Yeah, that's nightmares. Well, some people get fired and don't go fucking no. But guess what they don't get talked about on my favorite murder. Do they that's right.

Well, also the fact that there's probably, if at least a fifty to fifty chance he had PTSD from being.

Absolutely you being in Baharan, where is it borall rain, he probably had PTSD. His neighbors said that he was a member of an admired, well liked family who usually kept to themselves. That's always a bad sign. Don't keep to yourselves. Yes, put it out there on the porch. He was divorced in two thousand and seven, no kids, so he probably lost his mind. And then you lose this job that you've been working towards since high scho well when you went into the navy. Yeah, that's you're probably your identity. Yeah, it's like what And he was probably correct in her using excessive force.

And he was probably correct in the internal racism, which we all know is a very real fact that all police departments aren't allowed to acknowledge.

Like this guy would have gotten his day of celebrating if you just had not gone on a killing spree, like I feel like by now he would have been like.

Uh, but you know they Well, I wonder that'd be really interesting to know if like if it goes back that if it reverses itself. But the problem is like he was one of those people where he couldn't handle the shame, Like he was basically publicly shamed and had his identity taken away. And then it's like those there are people who if you, if you do that to them, they have to retaliate.

Yeah, and then I guess sit with it. He reported this crime in two thousand and eight, it happened in two thousand and seven. He got a divorced in two thousand and seven, So it's just like he's in a world of pain. Yeah, so I did so, I of course went to red it because I'm like, what do they have to say? It's always something good? So Doc Gray one eight seven zero zero zero. As I read that, I'm like, he might be not.

Seven.

He says, his manifesto sounded so plausible. I don't want people killed or otherwise, But is understood that sometimes humans have to kill humans, isn't it. Cops carry guns, soldiers carry guns. The only question is justification. Right, So if the government and their guard dogs are thoroughly corrupt, as Donner asserted, they and use unnecessarily deadly forced have callous disregard for human life and are in a mutual protection agreement with prosecutors. What are good people supposed to do?

Yeah?

And he says, do you know how Dorner was caught? He carjacked due on a secluded road and told him I don't want to hurt you and then let him go, and that dude turned him, and he also commandeered that haven't but let the residents live. Contrasts with the innocent civilians the LAPD hurt and their quest to get Dorner and his gruesome death. Who am I supposed to root for?

Well, that's it's not a binary thing. It's not you don't root for anybody, because here's the thing. Those cops didn't want to kill anybody.

But they were reacting. They are the ones being hunted, and maybe they weren't trained well enough Yeah, to know what to do in this situation like that. It immediately just makes me go.

The night, the night that they investigated the John Bennane murdered, they sent the two newest cops over because of his chrism.

Yeah, isn't that kind of thing? Before we get hate mail? I want to assure everyone that I don't hate cops. I think they're fucking I think the majority are working their asses off to be good people and have you know, the best interest of And it's a hard job and you're putting your life on the line. You just only hear about the bad ones.

Well, but and you But the problem is I heard a DJ talking about this. I teach about it a DJ. He was just saying, there's never any they just never copped to anything. And you can't do that when you're shooting people dead in cars, When you have people who are shooting people in the back or strangling them on video, you can't continually be like they're innocent, they're innocent. That's when you're building if you're never being a stand up you know, and never you know, these are.

Obviously getting If you're not getting punished by the higher ups and saying that they did this thing wrong, that means that there's no accounting for the behavior and it's acceptable. Yeah, that's a huge fucking problem.

And if it's the same people but getting targeted all the time, I mean, this snares you right into the Christopher Dorner story, snares you into everything that's happening right now. I know in our culture, I know, yeah, that'd be horrifying if he was completely innocent and then just basically snapped as opposed to so the story that was built in the media is kind of like, oh, here's this crazy guy that like tried to lie about somebody else, and you know they had they had him like vilified from the beginning.

Yeah, well, I just touched probably a ton of nerves of listeners. So go to my po box and let me know what you think.

I feel like people listen to this to get nerves touched. I mean that's the whole idea. By the way, I also chocked down my po box number.

Yeah, if you can't live with it, why do it? I can't do it. Yeah, I'd rather not have presents from listeners. I think it's fine. So yeah, that's my favorite murder this irvine. Irvine you're in. How was that was that? Okay? Yeah, okay, we're back.

Do you want to start with some case updates? Yeah.

I mentioned that the LAPD reopened the investigation into Dorner's termination, and it concluded that Dorner's firing had been factually and legally proper and that his termination was not only appropriate, it was the only course the department could have taken based on the facts and evidence end quote. And they also found no basis for the allegations of racism that Dorner cited in his manifesto. So there's just like a blanket, you know, no fault. We didn't do anything right, We didn't do anything wrong, right, So take that, Take that with twenty twenty four eyes.

I mean, yeah, it's been going on for a long time.

In August of twenty twenty four, these thieves robbed a man at gunpoint in Beverly Hills who they targeted for his expensive watch, and they were arrested and it was discovered that they had a handgun that was once registered to Dorner in their possession. And as of right now, it's unclear how they got their hands on this gun. It's possible it was either stolen or sold by Dorner, but somewhere along the line they acquired it. Okay, just an interesting little update.

Okay.

As regarding that story, you know, we talk a lot about the police department, and I want to remind people that it was twenty sixteen when this was recorded, and we had a very different view.

We still are two white ladies who have a very different experience with the police. Every single day than many people do.

And there have been changes in recent years, but the LAPD continues to be one of the most corrupt forces in the US. According to Police scorecard dot org, between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty one, there have been one hundred and fifty four killings by police. Based on population, a black person was four point four times as likely and a LATINX person was two point three times as likely to be killed by police as a white person in Los Angeles. Yeah, and there have been almost fifteen thousand civilian complaints of police mixed conduct as well.

I think I recommended this already, but a reporter named Ceris Castle did an amazing fifteen part series about it's called The History of Deputy Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department, and that was for the website knock LA. There's been a lot of reporting and deep dives into the corruption and the kind of like in depth. I don't know how to explain it. Mentality, gay mentality in what is supposed to be a public service that has a budget of like two billion dollars here, So it's definitely the kind of thing that we didn't have to think about or worry about at that time. And it is I think a lot of white people since twenty sixteen, especially after twenty twenty, yeah and Ferguson and all that stuff. You know, people's eyes have been really opened in a way that we got the almost like option to not have those eyes up for a long time.

Totally. All right, let's go to another horrible story. This one is just one that comes up in your head all the time, you know, it's just it sticks with you. This is Karen's telling of the story about the Cheshire murders.

Just a warning. It's a horrific case and it involves sexual assault and violence against children, so listen with caution.

Mine happened in the same year. My god, there's a lot of similarities, which is super weird, interesting. And this is a murder story that I had two different, separate non people that don't know each other. Friends of mine ask if I had done this story yet. Oh it's the Cheshire murder.

Ooh.

And you've probably seen a twenty twenty or a nightline about it.

It was super famous.

It happened around the same time as the Oklahoma bombings, but it was more talked about in the news more consistently because it was that really infamous Connecticut home invasion story that's a nightmare home invasion from start to finish.

It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

And also it's just this is just sinister and creepy because Cheshire, Connecticut. So there's a documentary on HBO called The Cheshire Murders. Highly recommend. I watched that this morning and it will tell you the entire story. But it's very hard because it's all the relatives, so it's just like everybody right there on camera talking about how it feels. And it's incredibly rough because this is this is a you know, this is a multiple rape murder situation on a family who live in one of those towns where when they show all the shots, it's like all the a frame houses with the lawns, there's no fences between any of the rs and the area these people lived in was pretty upscale. So basically what happened is on the night of July twenty second, at seven thirty at night, Jennifer Hawkpetit went to the stop and shop with her eleven year old year old daughter, Mikayla, and they're they're just shopping for groceries, and they're spotted by a recent parle named Joshua Kamasurievsky is basically how you're pronounced last They said it in the in this documentary probably thirty times, and every time I'd say it along with them or repeat it after I heard it, and I still it's Kamasar Yefski or Kamassar Jefski.

I'm not sure. So this guy's watching them in the grocery store.

Uh, I might as well just get to this part now. Very upsetting part in this documentary is this guy who is in his like mid to late twenties. I want to say twenty seven.

I can't. I can't see it on my paper.

But he had a girlfriend like in the years prior, and the father of that girl he that this guy dated, talk on camera about how they said that they thought they wanted to get married, and the father said, I have two problems with that. You're a career criminal and you're a pedophile. And he's like, and my daughter looks and acts a lot younger than she is. And so this girl, who is the same age as him, is on camera and she completely if you said she's sixteen or fifteen you'd be like sure, and she was like in her mid twenties. Oh ish, So it's there was some part that got confusing where it was like he also tried to date her younger sister and it was a thing. So this guy, And of course it turns out that later in the documentary it turns out that he was molested as a child, very young, terribly and for most of his life, so he had he was adopted. This father that they show a couple pictures of as one of the most disturbing looking individuals, like always right behind him, kind of creepy.

Oh my, how did I not see this documentary? It's pretty good. I mean.

The thing is, by the time you get the part where they're talking about what life was like for these two dudes that did this home invasion, you're like, oh, I.

Don't care, Yeah, I don't care. These are monsters. I don't care because that happens to a lot of people, not a lot hopefully, but and they don't become monsters exactly.

The only thing though, is it is interesting because when something like this happens over and over, people go who could do this?

Who? How do you do something like? I don't understand how could you do this? How could you do this?

And most people just go from that question to kill them, just kill them, don't why even give them a trial. It's that mentality which we all because so hard to comprehend.

It's just like this compounded abuse that's just generations long, probably because the guy who abused them was abused too.

And I mean, it's bad, all right, but it's interesting. No, no, no, because that's that's the thing with pedophiles, is that oftentimes that's where it's coming from as it.

Happens to them.

But it's just it puts a very strange light on and already very upset in case. So they go home from this grocery store, the mom and daughter go home. This guy follows them home and goes and sees where they live. He had just he was living in a half way house or he had just gotten out of a halfway house and he was just paroled. And so is his friend, Stephen Hayes, who is considerably older and also as a very long Both of them have crazy long criminal records.

Both are like burglars or whatever.

This guy and when they talked about Josh Commiseryevski, they actually say he had a photographic memory. He was incredibly intelligent, he was an incredibly talented artist. And they start showing these illustrations that he did, and they look somewhat They reminded me immediately of the pictures in Silence Lambs when doctor Lecter has those hand drawn pictures of like.

Italy. You know that she's basically drawn his own pictures. So he from memory.

It's the exact same thing where this guy has these illustrations that are like so insanely detailed and beautiful and amazing.

So and he had, you.

Know, so he's he's a smart person, but very cunning and very sociopathic. And so was the other guy. Stephen Hayes. Two of his brothers in this documentary talking about him, how he was a monster from their childhood. It was like burning their hands on stoves, like nightmare, older brother shit that they had to live with. So, of course, in the end of this when these two guys get caught, they tell the exact opposite stories of it was this guy's idea. And so it's very interesting because one guy looks like something out of a movie of a bad guy and the other guy looks like like a young pot dealer that would live in San Diego. But the truth of it is they think that it's the young guy that was the mastermind behind it.

All the artists, the smarter guy. Yeah. Sure.

So anyway, those two meet up at a bar and they talk about their plan and how they're going to go rob this house. And at three am they go up to the house and when they walk up, they see that doctor William Pettitt is sleeping on the screened and porch on the front and so Josh goes and grabs a baseball bat from the front lawn that they passed on their way in, takes it and starts beating this guy in the head.

How do you go to a house at three in the morning, like you're just asking for go? You know, go in the middle of the day when no one's home. You want to find people there. No, they wanted they wanted this the Josh guy.

Part of his thing was, they said when he would go in burgle houses, he would go in different rooms. He would he would pick places like it would be like a state trooper's house that he would be burgling, and he would after he stole all the things he wanted to steal, he would stand and listen to people breathing holy shit, uh huh. And then also the guy that was talking about him. I think it was probably one of his old defense lawyers, said he could remember every every single thing he stole, where it was, where the item, if he took a wallet out of a pair of pants that was hanging on the back of the chair, like he had a photographic memory. Weird, yes, So that part of the joy of it was the fact that he knew that family was home. At least they know that, for that was his pattern in the past. Okay, So they beat the father in the head, tie him up and put him down in the basement, and tie his wrists and ankles to a pole in the basement. He's got his head is split down the front and then there's like three huge gashes in the back of the honey. So he's down in the basement. They have him shut down there. Then they tie up the mother and both daughters in each of their respective rooms, tie them hands and feet to the bed, put pillowcases over their head, and shut the doors of all those rooms. Then they ransacked the whole house, and by the time they're done looking through everything, they're not happy with their hall. They didn't get enough, and they find a Bank of America bank book and they see that the amount in the bank is like over fifteen grand or it's a bunch, and so they're like, here's what we're going to do. When it's nine am and that bank opens, You're going in there, you're taking out fifteen thousand dollars and you're bringing it back here to us, and then we will leave you alone. So at nine am, this woman goes into her bank, goes up to the teller, says, I'd liked her withdraw all fifteen thousand dollars. And as they're doing their business, she says that I'm doing this against my will. People broke into our house last night. The guide drove me here. He's in the parking lot outside right now. He has my family back at the house, so like his partner has the family back at the house. She actually was quoted the teller said that she said they're mostly nice. I think they just need this money. And she's like, you need to tell the police, because you know I was I was told to come in here and not say anything, and so like, please handle this. And so the teller there's a woman in this documentary who was in the bank when all this happened, and she said she saw the bank manager run from the teller's little depot into her office and shut the door and start making the phone call. So it happened like immediately, and then Jennifer Pettick got her money and left the bank. So she didn't wait around or anything, because surely she was probably on like a time lander.

Oh shit. So Steven Hayes is in the car waiting for her outside. Yeah, that was back at home.

The other guy's back at home. So they find a video footage gas station video surveillance that Hayes had bought ten dollars worth of gas from two gas Cancid he'd gotten from the petitt home before they went to the bank, so they know it's premeditated.

So when they get you know, oh my god, does she know they have gas? Extra gas?

I don't know, no, because she's tied up in the rooms. So I think they're doing all that business themselves. So when So this is where the story's split because Josh has one story and Stephen has the other. But Stephen's story is he gets back from the bank with missus Pettitt and he thinks they're going to take this money. He's picking him up and they're leaving. When he walks in, Josh says, I I have left DNA in one of the children. We have to burn this house down. We have to kill them and burn this house down. And that's when Steven's like, I was not in this that according to him, he was like, this is crazy. Then he looks outside and sees that from the moment that bank teller got on the phone with nine to one one, like it was minutes later, they say like three to five minutes later, cops were outside of this house.

So they look outside.

Stephen sees that there's cops outside, which you know, she had promised him he would not call the cops, and he goes crazy, start strangling her.

The mom oh no, I don't.

Like it's bad. He strangles her, rapes her. After he strangles her, My fucking god, Okay.

It's like a week away. It's like a week away from fourth of July. Fourth of July, past week ago. My fucking neighbors are still this has been happening all week. They've been letting off fucking fireworks. But that was the worst time that could have happened was so loud, and I saw a fucking I saw the strike too, and there was like a big flash. Huh, wow, do you want to shut that? Since now there's wow? Fuck's sake, we're trying, I'm gonna talk about murder. What Oh my god, that's hilarious. So okay, I can't wait to hear that. Yeah, I think so many people have their head and right now. And got so freaked out when that happened. I was wondering because it was that was crazy loud, and we both we all freaked out. You know what?

That was like our podcast version of you know in a movie when suddenly a car gets side yeah, fucking ta bump, or they.

Closed the medicine cabinet and there's someone that he just it was like we like put that into our own scary, scary podcast. That was scary enough as it was sucked. Guys, don't be mad at us, because we're as upset as you are. It's not more. Now here come the cops. Did you hear? Did you hear that? Okay?

So okay, So Stephen Hayes has just strangled and raped the mother. So turns out while they were at the bank. Uh he Josh had gone upstairs and raped the eleven year old, the.

One who he thought looked like his ex girlfriend. Yes, but she was eleven. There was a seventeen year old daughter that nobody went into her room ever after. So it's super crazy.

And when you hear his confession on tape, it's super disgusting because he is using so many euphemisms and kind of trying to talk like they chatted and they were talking about school, and I brought our glass of water like it's all very sweet romantic in his mind.

It's super gross. So then they pour gas over both girls still alive.

No no, no, no, no, no no, and then throughout the entire house, light the house on fire, and then run out the front door, get into the Petit's car, drive one block away, get pulled over and arrested. So the entire time now in the aftermath, when they made announcements, the mayor, the city you know, councilmen or whoever were like and we'd like to think the police and fired did a great job and all this stuff. Well it turned out from when they finally really because they had like kind of redacted all of this information.

They weren't. There was a gag order on the whole story. They like the press couldn't report on it on any details. They didn't know any details about it.

And then they finally get like the phone reports and the nine one one calls and everything, and they had a perimeter. They were setting up a perimeter five minutes after the nine one one call came in from the bank, and they were all just sitting outside in that perimeter. They had no one had called on the phone, no one had knocked on the door, no one had even approached the house in any way. They heard missus Pettit screaming, and nobody went up. They the house caught on fire, and they still didn't do anything. So basically, in the amount of time between when they went to the bank and came back is when all of the major crimes happened, and the police were just sitting outside not taking action, which you know, it's this is a town that was like twenty five thousand people. So again and there were some people that argue that this is a small town, but this is a small town in terms of police handling major crimes. So they had basically no idea what to do and just set up a perimeter and waited and didn't do anything. So like those those god damn it was that sounded like an actual firework.

Yeah you could. I just saw like Disneyland things out there. Yeah, except this is fucking Los fheelis Yeah, fucking Disneyland. Yeah, and fireworks are illegal in in In addition, and it's been happening pretty much every night since fourth of July. I mean, it's isn't it like July tenth now, it's like July town it's six days later, guys. Anyway, Uh, to wrap it up, when doctor Pettitt escaped the basement, he it was basically right around the same time as the house was lit on fire. He was like smelled the smoke and whatever, and so he with his I'm looking at fireworks over your shoulder, moving, I'm fucking moving. So doctor Pettitt runs up the backstairs. His feet are still bound.

He's like hopping with a bloody face across to his neighbors and there's like a little forest in between his house and the neighbor's house, and he sees the cops hiding behind trees and is screaming, helped my family save my family as he's running over to the neighbor's house and they're just keeping their positions. So all of that part, they like effectively swept that part under the rug. And the family kept asking questions and like it was like there's a gag order, we can't tell you anything. And it wasn't until the case happened that they found out all this horrible shit, of all the really hideous details of what happened. And then they also Joshua's diary was put into evidence and basically after they got arrested, they both turned on each other said it was the other person's idea. And it's really hard to pull apart because even in this documentary, like you can see how josh could be the mastermind, but you could also see how Stephen Hayes could just I mean this idea. Like when his lawyer was trying to tell that story of like, oh, we saw the cops and that he felt very betrayed and that's why he straggled and raped Missus Pettitt, It's like, yeah, I don't think so.

No, people don't strangle and rape people when they feel betrayed as a whole.

I mean, they say it's like explosive anger reaction or whatever. But it's like, I don't know, I feel like they probably were planning on.

Doing that anyway.

Yeah, So anyway, they're convicted of the murders and they're sentenced to death in twenty ten. Well that was Stephen Hayes was convicted in twenty twenty ten. Joshua Commisaryevski was convicted in twenty eleven and sentenced to death in twenty twelve, and in August twenty fifteen, the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty. So now Hayes and Comma Serivsky are had both of their death sentences commuted and now they're serving life sentences.

What do you think, who do you think was the mastermind? You know, it seems to me.

That it's the younger guy. It seems to me that it's the the Joshua Commasarovsky guy, because the one who raped the eleven year old. Yep, he's the one that had this kind of plan. Yeah, And I think he's the one that, like the other guy was a burglar and kind of on duras and stuff. I think that guy was a career criminal in that in that way, but I think Joshua had some really really deep, serious emotional problem.

Well, when you think of like, hey, when you think of someone saying, hey, I found this house that's perfect for us to break into. Like one of them knows who's in that house and what's going on, yes, the other one might not. And so it seems that he had an alterior motive for sure, and the other guy didn't at first.

Right, he just wanted to make some easy money or just thought. It was like they're they're out of jail, they're out of a halfway house.

They need jobs.

You can't get a job as the next con very easily. You know, they're just trying to get back to it. And also that guy Joshua was kicked out of the army, which is always a bad sign.

They didn't go into any of the details about though. Anyway. The Cheshire Murders, it's an old HBO documentary, So I found it on HBO now or Go or something on my Apple TV. But it's really interesting and really it just fucked with everyone.

It's they considered the worst crime in Connecticut History's poor Little Girls, and it fucked with everybody because it was home invasion. So it was just like your utopian life can be invaded by two criminals who are you know.

It's almost like there's on one hand, you have like burglary, you have you're not home, someone comes in and steals your shit. But someone who's bold enough to do a home invasion robbery that scares the shit out of me. The person who would be willing to do that, yes, is no.

Has no what Well part of the enjoyment at least they know for a fact that Joshua had was the fear that he liked, the fear he put into people because and that he actually wrote a bunch of stuff about it in his diary that was on this thing that was just basically like that's he feels that scared and freaked out and wants to scream inside all the time, and so it makes him feel better to see people torture like that.

Which is when you're the one whose people are fear, then you're not. Yeah, holy shit, it's deep, it's dark, and yeah, I'm staying home from now on for the rest of my life. But then what if there's a home invasion robbery? Well, and also that's where all the fireworks are are, So home is where the fireworks, are you know? Oh man, Yeah, Elvis is hiding under the bed right now, so we can't end the show until he comes out.

My friend Seawan who asked me if I was going to do this, Uh, the one that's from Cheshire, Connecticut. So when he watches document menory, he kept talking about how freaked out he was because it was his He goes, that's my bank. I'd been to that bank so many times, like this was his hometown murder. And he was just like he said, watching his documentary, it was just like, that's his town.

Oh that's scary. Elvis. Wow, Elie doesn't want to cook me cooky? I bet he does. All right, you guys go to Instagram. My favorite murder. Twitter is my favorite murder. We have our Facebook group of course. Thank you guys for listening. We really love this podcast and we appreciate that you guys listen. It's super awesome times and you know what, stay sexy and don't get murdered us a cookie. Lo's key. All right, thanks guys, Bye bye. Okay, we're back. Another story about police not having enough training. I mean, it's everything about the story is a disaster and so horrible, heartbreaking, awful.

And then meanwhile fireworks go off as I'm trying to tell it, and that truly, I can remember when that happened, Like I remember looking at you when it happened. It was one of the scariest things, like we had we had just had. Yeah, that whole You're the Christopher Dorner story. I'm in the middle of telling this horrifying thing and then it sounds like someone's shooting at your window.

And I have to explain that my apartment there was a little driveway next to it, like a nineteen thirties apartment building driveway in la which is like impossible to drive. This was a tiny, little and then next to it was a little walkway, and then the other apartment, like we could just see right into each other's Like it was so and that's where they were setting off the fireworks. It was so close. They were always doing that. There were always grilling things and there in the fucking little driveway and the fire would be.

I mean so crazy. Yeah, it was.

It was a different time in our lives.

Yeah, no respect for studio lists, a true crime podcast that's being recorded.

All so one time, the guy did bring me some of the meat that they had been growing, which is really nice.

It was a good yea yeah, Okay, So I have a couple updates to this story. Well, one is just kind of random, which is one of the perpetrators of this crime, who in the story is identified as Stephen Hayes, has transitioned since there's really can't find a good source confirming what their name is. Now, this is kind of actually a really lovely kind of silver lining, which is that in the memory of his wife and daughters, William Pettitt created the Pettit Family Foundation and since he established it, they have raised over ten million dollars for stem chronic illness and violence prevention. So if you want to find out more about the Petit pet Family Foundation, you can go to Petitfamilyfoundation dot org and maybe even donate.

Okay, that episode was a lot, you know, little did.

We know back in January of twenty sixteen exactly what we were signing up for in pretty much every way, shape and form. Yeah, it's really kind of crazy to listen to and kind of think about these early episodes.

Again, just like, Wow, everything's changed and nothing's changed, Yeah, but everything's changed so different. So oh, but there's so many things that are the same.

I know, network in some ways we're kind of stuck at a weird time loop. Yeah, so we better get it right this time.

Let's try. Let's just try, all right, So because I mean, I don't think we can get any better than twenty Knives.

Twenty five two, So genius.

What's brilliant? But based on what we name the episodes these days, which is, you know, a call back to something silly that was said in the episode, what would we name it now?

Look somewhere else, bro which was you basically saying, if you're getting your facts from here, yeah, looks somewhere else, Broke. I mean, very accurate. And it's great that we've always known that and stood by that, and that our audience loves to remind people who try to come in and be like, hey, guess.

What, we know that and they know that this isn't the place, This isn't even Wikipedia.

We're beginners.

We could name it tubes tubing about inner tubes.

Or home is where the fireworks are in a scary storytelling show than a scary audio experience, which is just like, I don't know if I've ever been that scared at.

That moment, but I kind of love it. It's just like that's where we started. That's right.

You know it was real because it was hot. The window was open because it was hot.

Yeah, and there you know, it was an apartment. There's nothing you can do about it. That's where we started. Yeah, that's where I lived. I loved it. And sometimes fucking fireworks went off next to your door.

It'd be really cool if, right now, Allahan open the door and just threw two fireworks out of us.

I'd like, boom, boom.

It's still the same, all right.

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