In today’s special episode, Karen and Georgia are joined by host and award-winning journalist Becky Milligan to discuss her brand-new investigative series, Hell in Heaven. Brought to you by Exactly Right Media and iHeartPodcasts, produced by Blanchard House, this is the unmissable story of John and Ann Bender—and their true tale of wealth, isolation, and obsession. Young, brilliant, and impossibly rich, they set out to build a vast mansion and wildlife sanctuary in the Costa Rican rainforest. But not everything in paradise is what it seems.

After the interview, you’ll hear the premiere episode of Hell in Heaven, “The House of Secrets.” Then, head to Hell in Heaven’s feed to follow the show and find additional episodes. New episodes drop every Thursday.