This week Deaks talks to former All Black, Auckland and Manu Samoa coach, NZR President and life member, Sir Bryan Williams. Beegee tells Murray about the crippling fear he had before his debut in South Africa, gives his thoughts on the current rules of the game and talks about the unconscious bias towards the Island teams.

'Murray Deaker’s Sporting Lives' will interview legends of sport, uncovering their stories. Murray Deaker has been interviewing the biggest names in sport for 40 years, and now he's back with a brand-new podcast. Full of memories, theories, and opinion. And no nonsense!

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