Cherie Dear joins Tracey McKay and Jackie De Koning in a wide-ranging chat about how she almost didn't make it to her son's AFL debut, her husband Paul (1991 Norm Smith Medallist and Premiership player) and his tragic passing, their foundation Dare to Hope, where Calsher got his name, and his idolisation of Jack Riewoldt as a youngster.

Cherie Dear joins Tracey McKay and Jackie De Koning in a wide-ranging chat about how she almost didn't make it to her son's AFL debut, her husband Paul (1991 Norm Smith Medallist and Premiership player) and his tragic passing, their foundation Dare to Hope, where Calsher got his name, and his idolisation of Jack Riewoldt as a youngster.

Join Tracey McKay, mum of Ben and Harry, and Jackie De Koning, mum of Sam and Tom, for a personal look at players and their lives on and off the field, and what it’s like to be part of a footy family. You won’t have heard these stories before … when Mums have mics, anything can happen.

Join Tracey McKay, mum of Ben and Harry, and Jackie De Koning, mum of Sam and Tom, for a personal look at players and their lives on and off the field, and what it’s like to be part of a footy family. You won’t have heard these stories before … when Mums have mics, anything can happen.

Mums with Mics

Mums with Mics is centred around the love of sportspeople as people.

Hosted by two mums of four AFL players - Jackie De Koning and Tracey McKay - this podcast explores the relationships built along the journey and the community off the field – from drafting, to playing, and beyond.

Mums with Mics will explore the highlights and the hardship, and the notion that on-field heroes are real people with real lives.

It will be funny and real, just like life.

Mums with Mics is centred around the love of sportspeople as people.
Hosted by two mums of four AFL players - Jackie De Koning and Tracey McKay - this podcast explores the relationships built along the journey and the community off the field – from drafting, to playing, and beyond.
Mums with Mics will explore the highlights and the hardship, and the notion that on-field heroes are real people with real lives.
It will be funny and real, just like life.

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