MTV's Official Challenge PodcastShane sits down with Tori and Aneesa to discuss the explosive fight from this week's episode, his rivalry with Frank and the secret way he and Da'Vonne are politicking behind the scenes.
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What's up everyone on Tory Deal And I'm a Nissa Ferreira And this is MTV's official podcast.
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You know what, sometimes we forget words. So we're gonna back this one. No, I think we're good.
I mean we're gonna.
I think we're gonna start this episode just like that.
You know what I was gonna say, Nissa, This challenge today was called Shooting for the Star, and all I was thinking is it would have only been really shooting for the star if Anissa was dangling from that little string because you're thank you. But then you fucked up the intro and I was like, that wasn't very star ask of her.
Well, you know what, everyone can be perfect all of the time.
Honestly, I think it was my favorite time you've ever said it. So I think that we can place it top of the top, just like Adam and Steve, who are consistently winning, crushing I mean, what the fuck, I.
Don't know, See, this is what I'm trying to say, this one. I'm trying. I just they're the team to beat, you know. Yeah, I really liked this challenge though I would have loved to have done. It looked super fun. You get a poo's life first, mm hmmm, I love I love it. Would Nicole say, I'm not a plumba, I'm a plumb I'm like, they're not asking you to like reroute pipes, like fix a bathroom, You're just putting a puzzle together.
It's so funny, dude. Melissa and Nicole are my favorite team to watch.
They're really funny. They really are so funny.
Yeah, I mean, this challenge was super interesting.
If anybody thinks it looks relatively familiar, it's because it's where we did the Burger.
King challenge on Season forty.
Where we drove the car off the cliff and then swam, So it definitely brought me back being there, but this one was obviously different. They had that puzzle and then they jumped on the four wheeler and they.
Never even went in the water.
That looks so fun.
Yeah.
I do want to say that when we did the car version, I got so many dms from people watching the show being like, did they really destroy all those cars or did they bringing the car up and using nuance? No?
When they did it for us, they destroyed all of those cars.
Wow.
Yeah, I mean there was no engine in them.
They were just Yeah. But that four wheeler that crashed into the rocks, I think Veronica and Katie's I think that one was done.
I think they're all done.
Rats. Yes, they were like, we're gonna we have this many Yeah.
I mean this episode was interesting aside from this challenge being super cool. I mean it started off with the Turbo and Nanny fight, and I just want to say, when Nannie gets heightened emotionally, I immediately am like, oh my god, I have to like Nanny gives me mom energy. Went she like I could just imagine her with kids.
She's for your shit. It's too early. I'm having coffee. Yeah, yeah, Like god, I just want to relax and listen. Nanni needs her coffee. Clearly, Sam's interruptions sans drama. Because you know you're about to do a challenge, you got to eat coffee. It's like you're only downtime before you're about to get scared shitless and then come back and have an hour to get ready for the CLERB.
Totally yeah, and the Clerb.
Turbo went from sleeping on the couch in the house to then sleeping on the couch in the clerb, sleeping in the clob.
I mean, I get it. I've been there.
Have you slept in the clerk in that specific one?
Yeah, that Drum club, so that was club Drum.
Yeah.
I literally, like, I think I've taken a nap exactly.
Where Turbo was in the cigar room.
In the cigar room, yes, because I had a headache one day so bad.
And you know, you get there and you're pooped.
So I kind of get it, you know, obviously, like you either have to like get a drink at your system.
To turn up, or you're just you're just gonna knock out.
Yeah, I mean, and obviously there's two ways to handle it, just like there's two ways to handle being told to shut up.
You either just do it, or you leave a dirty plate next to someone while they're sleeping. Like Melissa, She's.
Like I'll show in. I'm like, yeah, you fucking better Melissa that.
I love her voice, Oh, it's incredible.
Her accent is phenomenal. When she gets mad. It's just I mean, I just I adore it. I love Melissa's tenacity, I love her loyalty. I love all of it like she totally would have voted for Turbo if Nanny wasn't attached to him.
Oh totally.
Yeah, Turbo should definitely send out a few thank you letters all to Nanni.
Oh for sure. Yeah, she definitely needs some thank yous.
I mean, this episode had a lot in it, and I think that's like why I keep saying I'm loving All Stars so so much, because like I can't even keep up with the from the Turbo thing to then Melissa having her little moment, to then like Frank and Shane going at it, and it's just like holy shit, Like there's so much, real much drama, Like how do we even begin to peel back all the layers.
I have an idea. Okay, we invite Shane on the podcast and have him do it.
Yeah, now we're talking to Za.
Listen, give the people what they want.
Call him right now.
I will, I will, I mean, right after this break, I think we have Shane. He's gonna tell us all things.
I can't wait, dude, We'll be right back after this.
Welcome back everybody to our favorite part of the podcast, and we have one amazing challenger. Come on and spill all the tea. This Challenger.
We have not seen since Final Reckoning.
It has been an absolute minute, but you've definitely heard him pipe up online.
It's amazing to finally have the one and only Shane back on our screens. Welcome back, Shane.
Thank you, thank you.
It's a pleasure to be back, honestly, so happy, happy to be back, happy to be playing the game, and happy to be on the show.
So thank you for inviting me so much.
Of course, the season's been quite spicy.
You were there a Nissa, you know.
I mean, yes, I was there period of time and it was it was still spicy, but it got spicier after I left. Do you think that you're the reason as to why I got super spicy?
Do I think that I personally am responsible for some of the mayhem that's coming this way? No, it's not just me. It's definitely Davon as well. That's big, a big play of this.
But I do think.
The mathematics around voting and the alliances being almost neck and neck in numbers is a big factor and sort of the battle that people get to see and have been seeing.
Yeah, I mean, I wasn't giving you all the spicy credits, right.
Spice yeah, absolutely, and I guess that that that's kind of what frustrates me is even on this most recent episode that we watched, I mean, you didn't see any of Devon and her work behind the scenes or mine as well.
Quiet.
Yeah, and she's not quiet.
She's a big player in regards to this voting and the way that it works. And just like so we can get dig into that for later.
I don't think it. I just from this point, I just want to say, like I can.
See from a viewers perspective how I might look like a lot of hot air, and so I don't want to contribute to the hot air on the podcast. It's not just me, but I'm definitely a contributing factor to the spice.
You're exactly right, well, I think that it's a good thing to be creating spice and conflict in a game like this because it's super entertaining and obviously sometimes it gets a little too real and can feel a little too heavy, but like without going too too deep, like, let's talk about this initial your initial reaction to this.
Episode, because I know you came on and you're like, oh, I got stuff to say, So I just want to know, like, oh, yeah, like, where are we starting from? Like, I'm ready to dive in.
I wrote, I wrote notes, and there's there's things that are just general. But I think, why didn't I just go right to the heart of the matter, which is really just got a rock and my crap, my caw as they say, like, anyway.
It's a rock in your shoe.
No, and it's a Southern It doesn't matter what the phrase comes from, so let's just just go straight to it. There's numbers here, and I feel like, as a viewer watching the show, what I just want to make it very clear. Frank and Sam are arguing that Nanni and Turbo need to go in, and then it goes to me and Veronica sitting in a bar and Veronica saying directly to me, why won't you vote Nanni and Turbo? And I'm saying, mathematically, you don't need me and Davon's votes. You have enough votes you can send them in. Why do I have to put my neck on the line. Why do me and Davon have to ruin our relationship with a winning team for you to accomplish your goal. I want the same goal. I want the strong people out, but I don't need to burn my my bridge with these people, Like that's all I was trying to say, and then Frank and Sam and Frank comes in and whatever.
Flat out I'm a liar.
I'm gonna fucking whatever it takes to make you believe that I didn't say shit, I'm gonna say it.
So that's that.
Uh, yeah, whatever you heard, Yeah I didn't. I wasn't saying Frank has the fucking ears of a goddamn bat.
By the way, I want.
People to know that that door was that door was close close.
The door was close. I was looking through the window. He was all the way on the other side of the bar, which has music playing. I'm gonna tell you this.
I'm a huge redditor, and I know that Reddit and I are contentious, but there was one post which was like from years ago, like two or three years ago, and in this post someone wrote, I was on a reality show. It's very popular. If I told you my name, you'd know who I was. And what very few cast members realize is that I have above par hearing, and so I was able to use that to know Zach what was happening in the house, and YadA, YadA, YadA. I am one hundred percent convinced that that person was Frank.
I'm gonna be serious.
Here's like a bat.
Yeah, he comes in like a bat out of hell. You're saying my name.
Yeah, there was very few people to fucking talk about, and you're the only person orchestrarizing a vote right now, so of course we're saying your name.
So that that that's that.
So now the next step of this, they show Frank Paula ticking for Nanni and Turbo whatever, and then they show the fucking vote.
How did the vote go? Did it go for Nanni and Turbo? No, it went for Dario and Ashley.
And if it didn't go for Dario and Ashley, who is the other team on that alliance?
Sam and fucking Frank. And that's the part that.
Pisses me off, is that who who like, who orchestrated that?
Who did that? It was me and fucking Devon. So that that's what's frustrating.
When I'm saying to Frank, like I did every thing to save you on this, that was because it was Hilm or Thelm.
That's it.
Yeah, So is that I was just about to ask you, why did you direct the vote you're saying you orchestrated the vote for Dario and Ashley. Was this with Davon or was this okay? So you and Davon together came up with this plan yep. And then what made you choose them was it solely to protect Franken.
Sam, Adam and Steve won.
We were convinced that we could convince Adam and Steve to throw in frank and Sam against them.
Mmmm.
And then that didn't happen, And that exactly happened.
Yeah, it didn't, but it did not And honestly, Ronica and Katie would not vote for them, So it was just paying attention to the numbers, paying attention to the shifting line, says Remember the episode, I mean, Turbo was at odds with everybody, right, do you know how hard it is to convince everybody to not vote someone who they don't want to see at the end. That was a lot of fucking manipulation and effort. So yeah, anyways, that that's why, So the.
Whole play didn't actually evolve the way you wanted to.
Your end goal was to get Franken, Sam against.
Ashley and Dar you right, realistically.
And then that didn't happen, So it.
Was a win win either way.
Okay, okay, so it's not the worst, No, no, no, it was wasn't the worst. You guys got out of Star. You got Starverars Star.
Yeah, it could have been two high rollers. It could have been two high rollers, or it could have been two people in an alliance together. We just could not get our hands dirty with Nanni and Turbo. So realistically, we didn't care what Adam and Steve chose. We knew we were safe with them. This is going back to the beginning. Remember Veronica never showed up day one, right, so when I landed at that hotel, I was the one working the alliance. Remember, Anissa, the og alliance which you refuse to be a part of because you had your friends in the vacation alliance. With OG's, we had exactly.
Only had one person We had ately said they had my back, So it was kind of hard to.
You know, I'm not blaming you, you got it, but there was I think from a team of thirteen teams, that's seven people versus six people. We had the numbers from day one because Kelly Ann and Anice and I'm not mad at you, Anissa, totally get it, But.
You guys were irreliable.
You didn't trust Ashley, you didn't trust Sylvia, so we couldn't count on the vote. And this is not just your fault, as she was willing to go your way as well. She didn't want to cause any rock. It knocked us down from seven to six to five to six with two potential swings, so we could never orchestrate and kick in that alliance and tell the numbers got to where we needed them.
The numbers got there were go ahead.
Sorry. No, there were just certain people that I didn't feel comfortable voting. And it was just like if I had personal reasons that oh yeah, I don't blame you, that were like kind of went against my values, you know, I just didn't think that that was okay. But strategy and strategically it didn't work out. So regardless of what alliance I was in, yeah you know what I mean, or anybody else, like, it didn't work for the game. And yeah, Adam and Steve get kept getting put in and it was just like, eat, none of the people that you're voting for make any fucking sense. And I would have pulled the trigger on a lot of things.
Yeah, had more.
Conversations happened, and then I got you know in there. So I'm not saying you're saying, no, I don't feel any kind of way about it.
Yeah, I don't know.
No, No, I get it.
I want people to understand what that was.
It was we had an agreement, or most of the original real World World World people who were on teams had an agreement to target everyone who did not have a real road rule or on their team, be it one or two, until they were gone, and then we'd work on each other. And so that's where I mean seven versus five. But because we couldn't get confidence in those numbers, we instead we saw that the numbers wore for a House vote against Adam and Steve. So a majority of us just said to Adam and Steve, you guys gotta bite the fucking.
Bullet you're going in. There's not enough numbers to save you. And that's all I mean.
There wasn't enough numbers until Leroy and Devin left. The second that Leroy and Devin left, the plan activated.
You could make it.
Yeah, And so I get it.
And so that alliance at heart was Adam and Steve, Katie and Veronica Melissa and Nicole and me and Davon. Now, because of Davon, there was a lot of pool there, and we were four versus another group of four, the other four being and this is sorry, I could lose everybody on these numbers of this, but Frank and Sam, Veronica and Katie, Melissa, Nicole and Ashley and Dario.
Right, so you have these sort of swing votes.
And that's where I was fighting with Veronica and Katie because I didn't think that they were actually targeting me. They were targeting the Alliance, which included Adam and Steve, because by siding with Frank and Sam, they were actually sending in Adam and Steve. They were making a pool for that. And that's fine, you can send in these strong players. I'm not against sending in strong players. But they were They kept winning, they kept they kept being successful, and so it was just like, it didn't make sense to me for them to side with Frank and Sam while these numbers are so close.
Let them not. I didn't there. They were trying.
To save Daryow and Ashley, and at the heart of it, I wanted one of those two teams gone so that the d balance of voting power would always rest with the group of us, and we could choose who went in when it came to Hell's vote, and the winner could always pick from one of us, because you get the remember this is the scramble at the end of the show. There's not many spots, and so you're doing everything you can to minimize damage to your number one and your number two. Fuck number three, fuck number four. And realistically, Veronica and Katie were my number one and number two, but by siding with Frank and Sam, I went from their number two to their number four five. And that's what I.
Was kind of fighting for. And for people who are not.
Super fans, that's just like in terms of where you're ranked and how much I will save you. So when you get to the end of a show and there's only six teams left, when you're sitting at four or five, you're on the chopping block, right.
Yeah, And that goes for anybody who goes in with like I mean, a strategy and like number ones and all that stuff that makes sense to me, I think where I'm just a tiny confused, yea, a tiny con It will be good to explain to the listeners for some clarity. Cool you had mentioned that there was this assemblance of like an og alliance, and then you also said that if you had.
A real worlder or road Rules on your.
Team, then that was potentially but that didn't formulate until after Leroy and Devin left, when in reality, Leroy was a real worlder. So was he somebody who was out of this alliance that was never going to get in on it because technically that team should have been a part of this alliance that you're describing exactly.
They so we were never targeting them until the end. They were not counted as one as the secure votes.
Okay, so yeah, so it's it's not fully expansive this alliance that you came in with.
Was there's no guarantee yeah, okay, yeah, there's also there's no guarantee there.
It was just yeah, it was just kind of what you were working off of exactly.
Okay.
I'm just trying to like paint.
The full picture for me, and there's no wrong or right answers. I'm just trying to get the cures image possible. But let's get a little bit into one team who does not have a real worlder or road Rules and that is Gibo, who loves to sleep on the couch.
He caused a lot of commotion in this episode real World.
Yeah, but Turbo was not Oh okay, sorry I was about to say, but she was one.
She was one?
Yeah, right, Well her partner wasn't Turbo, you know. So obviously a team that's on the fence for you.
Guys, but they're good too. They pose a threat. Yeah.
I just want to focus solely on Turbo sleeping on the couch though, And you.
Smell like shit. The middle name is a piece of shit.
Turbo is cracking me up this season, like truly, so so so funny. Obviously, like living with somebody and watching them is a completely different experience. Talk to us about living with him. How long was he living on the couch for? And like day one, so the entire time.
Yeah, this house was built like a fire tower, you know, like when firemen practice fire safety and they have like a fake house that has seven date stories and it's really just stairs and they fill with smoke. You got to run from the top to the bottom. Talked to Nicole if you're not familiar with that. But anyways, there wasn't a lot of There wasn't a lot of communal space. It was the it was literally what you saw and that is air conditioned. And his whole complaint was I don't want to be sleeping in air conditioned.
And then he just stayed yeah, And then he just stayed on the couch.
He lingered, he lingered, yeah, And he could have gone to a room, could have completely turned off the room's private air conditioner and been been in his space.
Yeah. So that was the weird part.
And then the second part was like we're there, like, we're there to work, we want to film a show. How are you supposed to meet in groups and talk about politics? How are you supposed to do these things and have fun when you have literally the grumpiest man in the world in the.
Way, Like well, that's why I was wondering.
Maybe it's strategy that he's there and he's blaming it. I agree, you know, like if you're planet in the middle of the room, then he's gonna see he's got more eyes on things.
I mean no, I mean maybe maybe, but we know Turbo. We know Turbo moves like he's kind.
Of like a he's a sex or day.
This is how I feel about it.
He's a freak day he has a freak day sex day. Shout out to Turbo's new song.
Mind Me Dine Me.
Oh, it's so good.
I thought that was all. I thought that was an old song. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was a brand new one.
And he also he also played some pits for us on the bus. Yeah, but what did you think of him and Adam fighting?
Yeah, So, just to remind people who don't know, Adam and I wen a road Roles season together. The final season of the show. It was me and him, Veronica, some other cast members, but only listening. Veronica is in because she's on this show with us. So Adam is. While he comes across and is a genuinely like Golden Retriever puppy, there is a pit bull mix inside of him and it's a hair trigger. So just like you have that friendly, friendly pit bull and then all of a sudden it attacks a dog and you're like, what the fuck? That's out of nowhere. I mean, that is the best description of Adam's personality. It's it comes out of nowhere days of kindness and he will just flip and whatever he's been stewing on because he's probably been thinking in his head.
One thought, it's captured his attention.
And hyper fixated on it.
Yep, and he finally has given himself permission to just express the emotion that he's been repressing. And that's what it was, like he would I mean, it was we wanted fucking Turbo to be in a fucking room. He was miserable, he was not communicating with anyone, and he needed just to leave. He was a rain on the parade of the show itself, and so that's what Adam was screaming about. But Turbot was right. Adam was incredibly dirty. He also lives like a little kid. So I'm sure the majority of the plates that Turbo picked up were Adams.
But did you know that Adam's middle name was piece of shit?
Yeah?
I wasn't aware.
Oh god man, it was. It was interesting to watch.
This is the thing like watching Turbo on when he is like funny in interviews, he's very charming and very likable and very funny, and then like this is you know, obviously once you talk to somebody who was living with him, like it, there's different experiences across the board.
So like thank you for helping us, like paint a bigger picture of this.
But obviously this fight happened like right before the Daily Challenge, and that's never a good energy to travel into the challenge with. I want to know, like, you've been partners with Davon this season.
What has it been like.
We're working with her both in the physical competitions and politically.
Yeah, so Davon is a fantastic physical competitor and she's great politically. I know we all have our opinions about how Big Brother plays, and I'm convinced that Big Brother the reason why they play so weird is because they forget that people can come back, Like they just think a vote means you're gone, and that's just We're the one show where being voted in doesn't mean Jack shitt.
Losing the elimination is what means something.
So that was it was kind of fun to work with her to teach a little bit about the difference. Not that she needed any education, but Davon and I were working two different sides of the house the whole time, and we were one of the only teams that was both players were working politically. So she was on Leroy and Devin and Corey Big Tea. She was working with Amber and and I was working with the og for lack of better.
Terms, like to resting right.
So I would talk to them, she would talk to them. We would compare notes, we would do the math. Whoever had the better numbers. Wow, we would make a decision and blame the other person. That's literally how we operated.
All right, we have to take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.
Okay, let's get back to the show.
You know what, last episode was the first time I think we really got to like peek into how well you guys were playing the game. But it was so subtle and it created so little waves up until now where we're finally starting to see the crack of the with Veronica asking you to vote her way and then you know, so we're starting to see it because you're at a point where you can't hide any more in the middle. But it's been you guys have been so low key about it that it's been It doesn't seem like there's a lot of political strategy. So for you to highlight it right now, I think it's like super important.
Awesome, good, I'm glad. I'm glad it's gonna be somewhere.
I think there was a lot though, and I think that it's something there's I don't know, like I know that. I know it's frustrating because we did talk to Frank that like when he said, you know, I wish they would have shown this. You know, I was doing a lot of work, like you guys do want to be seen for the work that you do. But it's also kind of nice to have it be like behind the scenes and no one knows, because then it's like totally no one knows all of your tricks. Yeah, everybody to know if I'm finessing a game and it looks like I'm just being friendly, that's part of the fucking strategy, you know what I mean. Like you're putting in extra overtime doing something you want some credit, but you don't want all of your all of your stuff to be out there.
Well that's one of the things.
So before we would go sit down and do the vote, we're in that same place that Adam and Turbo are fighting, right, So Frank and we're all in that area the living room, Yeah, the living room getting ready to go film exactly right, and the Frank and Sam have found out that the vote will be Ashley and Dario, which they had no fucking clue. They thought they had puppeteered this big thing and it was going to be exactly what they wanted was Nanni and Turbo, and they Frank completely loses it because he realizes he doesn't have the power that he's thought he's had the whole time, and so he's saying, how can you guys sit so calmly and act like this? And Kate actually says almost like we were not sending calmly. It's uncomfortable, Frank, but we're going to vote the way we're voting like and that's when we all walk down and vote to send in Ashley and Dario. And that's when he realizes it's not the game that he's thought he's been the mastermind of this whole time and that and that's what bothers me because at the end of the day, going back to episode two, when Frank flat out says I want to send in Adam and Steve, and he says it in front of so many people that spread through the house within seconds. It literally did not even take a minute or two before everyone knew what he was doing. And that's not genius, like it was to everyone's benefit to sending Adam and Steve, but you did not mastermind that. You showed your hand and people knew like right away, Adam. It seems like throw ahead of the snake. I mean it probably came from half the house to them, not just Veronica.
So that's the shit that annoys me.
I want to know what is it with Frank and you. I need to know what it is so and let everyone else know, like are we pairing up for like Rivals Part two? Or you know, like what what do you think this all stems from? Because there's a there's a dissonance if you will have two competing forces where like you know, it's a lot of baby girl and everything like you're queening.
Yeah yeah, So realistically, I got to give credit. I mean, he he made big moves and he actually won challenges and was able to make big moves, So I don't discredit him for that. Some major things happened because of him and his decision and his pressure, So absolutely I give him one hundred percent credit for that. But I think his frustration with me is that I did not give into what he wanted, and I don't like I actually don't have a problem with him. I respect his game. I think he did great. I agree I don't like thing called baby girl, But at the end of the day, it's not a big deal to me. But his frustration with me and his idea that I might be stupid because I just don't want to do what he wants to do.
That's that's It's not the case.
So you think it was a battle of power.
You think Frank wanted to kind of like move about the house in his way, and you had obviously your own circumstances with you and your own partner. Who are I mean, obviously Devon is like very connected in a way that Sam was not.
So you, guys, you and Frank's team were playing completely differently.
We're actively thwarting exactly what Frank wants to do and not just Davon give me credit. Katie and Veronica voted the way that I wanted to go, right, That's so Frank, Like, as much as Frank's pretending that Veronica is his best friend, that's not the case. Right.
So do you think, yeah, do you think Veronica and Katie voted the way that you wanted to vote because you feel like Veronica felt like she had to prove to you that if it came between you and Frank, she would choose you.
I mean, I don't I can't speak to Veronica's mindset, but I just want to fly out remind you they had the numbers, They did not need me and Davon. So if they wanted to vote what Frank wanted to vote, they could have fucking done it. They didn't do it.
Did you still trust Veronica at this point? I mean, I know that you guys have been friends for I mean as long as I'm not for twenty some years now. Yeah, was a trust ever faltering?
Or no? No?
No, there was wavering.
I was never afraid of Veronica saying my name, but I was very angry that Veronica was actively working with Frank and Sam against our alliance.
That's the part.
The core alliance was Adam and Steve, Melissa, Nicole, Katie and Veronica like as we get down and me and Davon, and so for her to pull in a fifth member at the very end like this, it was. It became then, well where do I sit on the totem pole? Not because of Katie and Veronica, but because Katie and Veronica had essentially taken. They told Melissa Nicole, like, Shane's working against you, so now they can join, Like they were turning people I had secured and were positive would never say my name and turned us into the issue. So instead of a core four, we had become five. And who's at the bottom of that five? That's that's it.
That's interesting, Yeah, because I feel like, if you're really good, you could you could both can exist at the same time. But that's difficult because yeah, I guess would force someone to then then try and see, like, well, with all of these people, where where.
Do I fit exactly? So I'm really sorry if it's confusing.
No, no, noble, I just feel like we say what we think you're saying. Yeah, then there's a better understanding of what's going on.
Okay, Pert's all.
Yeah, I'm curious what you thought of Frank's speech during the voting and him voting for himself.
Well, that was that goes back to like the losing control, and there was he was demanding more and more, and I said to him, why don't you just admit the truth to Ashley and Dario. You've thrown them under the bus. You said that they can go in if it saves you, and that's why they're going in. And I've done everything I can to make sure that it wasn't your name and it was theirs, Like there was more to that conversation.
Wow, was that public?
It was in the freaking meeting.
Yeah, And that's why David was saying, shut up.
And I told Ashley and Dario.
I was like, he's been actively working with our people to make sure that he's safe.
He doesn't care about you. He's been working on himself NonStop.
And then right after that is when he followed me upstairs to the That's when there wasn't a break between that and him coming upstairs to confront me. Also upstairs, Adam and Steve were still convinced that they there was some confusion that Frank was the one who actually was saying their name. So we were on the top floor. My room is right on the corner. The room next to us is Steve's and Adam's and Melissa and Nicole, And so when he came in there, all I was trying to do, because Steve was in that room next to me, was get him to verbally admit that he was the one that sent in Adam and Steve, So that whole meeting calm and me sitting there and like saying things. I just needed him to verbalize exactly what he'd been doing from day one, which he did, which confirmed to Steve when he left. So finally I had Adam and Steve at least Steve. Now it's no longer rumor, it's confirmed, And.
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I also feel like in that thing, not to Frank's defense, I feel like if anybody were in that position during nominations, it's kind of like the safest thing is to say yourself at that point, because then he doesn't have to say anybody else's name because the majority of the votes had already gone to one team exactly.
Yeah, and he could have said I mean, he could have said me and Davon's name. He could have said anything. So I I like, I don't necessarily know his mindset, but if he really really was convinced that I was that big of an enemy and had no power, he could have said my name, but he didn't, So that means there's some fear there.
Do you think that you two, you and Frank would make a good rivals para? Do you think you'd butt heads.
Oh fuck yeah, I would love to play with Frank. I absolutely, one hundred percent respect Frank as a player. I thought he did an excellent job this season period. And I don't need to shit talk great players just to make myself better.
I don't.
I would love to be Frank's rival, and I want that clear, like, Frank is an amazing player. I don't think I'm better than him. I don't think I'm worse than him. I mean exactly what I said. I think he was frustrated I would not vote his way, and I think he was frustrated because he did not understand the reasoning. But what behind why I was making the moves that I was making the moves for.
It would be interesting to see that pair, though, because the power Oh yeah, the only thing I'd fear is that power struggle of like who takes the reins?
Yeah yeah, yeah, be interesting.
You guys would perform well together, though, but interesting.
Well, I don't know. You guys have seen all the episodes up to this one.
Okay, well great, So before this when Amber and Festi go in, do they show that I just don't tell Davon what's actually happening.
Yeah, well no, no, no, they show Davon not telling you.
Well they somebody's not telling somebody something.
That is alluded to in your partnership.
Yes, yeah, so I think that that would be the case when it comes to me and Frank playing. It's just like letting him take the lead and using his ability to just tell you exactly what he's saying. I mean, Frank is an honest player, let's be straight. I mean he's saying exactly what he wants to do NonStop. And so it was similar with the case with watching Davon, you being able to see that use the information with the people that I have connections with so that they can be undermined for the benefit of the team itself. So if I think Frank would be making a decision I necessarily don't agree with, I can easily undermine it to our benefit and.
Just not mention it. But you know, you never know. I would love to be a partner. That would be great.
Yeah, we'll put that out there to the challenge. God.
Yeah, I think you guys would compete together super super well, like as maybe as well as Nannie and Turbo did in this elimination, which I think was an incredible elimination. I feel like the challenges in the eliminations this season of All Stars are a really great I've been like loving watching them.
Who did you think was going to win?
When you were watching from the sideline between Ashley and Dario and Nanni and Turbo?
That was? It actually went a lot longer.
I think that could have went thirty minutes to an hour maybe what Yeah, it was, but it was. It was incredibly close, but then Turbo really.
Pulled it out of nowhere at the very end.
Yeah, he is good at a lot of like stuff. It was all that backyard play.
Oh he is a great a puzzles. He really is.
Yeah, Yeah, I mean it didn't look like an easy one.
Yeah.
Were you worried now with Nanni and Turbo coming back into the house.
No, they were.
Nanni and Turbo were our safety like so, just looking at it from a power perspective, the odds were that Nanni and Turbo and Adam C would win. So if they're winning, we're not going in from their votes. And if it were to come to a house vote, if they won, then me and who essentially it would be one of them and us, which is how the House plus always like two out of three. Right, So long story short, having them on your side meant that you were safe from one half of the total vote, and then the other side gives you a vote of two out of five potential votes. So if you have the two of them and the other side is Melissa, Nicole, Veronica and Katie and Franken Sam, well one of them would side with either me and Davon and Adam and Steve, and so we would vote probably Franken Sam.
Or let's say Nanian Turbau.
Didn't win and they're left Nanni and Turbo with Shane and Davon. Well, that means the three of them that would be left would be voting in Nannie and Turbo. So Davon and I had done the math. We were perfect. Regardless of how it worked out, we wanted them to be. Are consider us number one safe bets never going for them.
I mean, you guys are playing a good game.
Yeah.
I was just gonna say, I can't wait to see more conversations between you and Davon because I feel like we're not getting enough of them.
But from what I throw out the pretty you guys are quite minus your rivalry, like it's been. It's been really interesting to watch because watching guys compete in real time. You guys did very.
Well together, thank you.
Yeah, it just was you know, it's like the odd pair and you guys have been at odds before. But I feel like you had the least amount of conflict.
That's interesting because we were definitely not getting along most times in the house.
Watch it, I'm saying as a viewer, you know.
Yeah, but it gets it gets more. I'll be honest with you and us.
Yeah, I tease us what's to come?
So I my personal opinion is that Frank pulled a master move and gas Damon up and made her feel like I was a shit person, and she like really it was very difficult for the two of us. I mean going into there, I think after this point there's a point where we just stopped, stopped.
Talking to each other. So, oh wow, we'll see we'll see respect her to death.
Though, for sure, have you talked to her like obviously this and you guys were talking, but like, had you talked after being on Final Reckoning together?
There had been so she became good friends with Amanda Garcia, which I think might have helped. We've had one or two one to two texts, interchanges about some specific situations and that's it.
Nothing casual, nothing friendly, whatsoever.
Nothing just like hey I heard X y Z, condolences and congratulations.
That's it, okay, But there was there was like easy communication.
Yeah, light sprinkles of combos.
Yeah, twice in the course of seven years.
Better than zero silence.
That's not even a sprink Yeah.
But she. I respect Davon too. I think she plays.
She's very smart, she she's incredibly entertaining.
Tori. Let's be honest.
The reason why Davon and I are odds is because we were working together in Final Reckoning and she snaked you and that's when you went into elimination.
She did snake me.
Yeah she did.
Yeah, she did.
That is why I called her the B word. Was because of you.
Oh I got Shane.
You didn't have to do that.
Yeah, I mean that was literally you went.
Your fault, Tory.
Hall.
You didn't have to do that, Shane. I appreciate you, thank you, but you didn't have Yeah.
I'm just happy that.
Well, honestly, I was gonna say, I'm happy that you and Davon are on better terms, But it seems like from that teaser you just gave us, it's maybe not going in the best direction, so.
Short lived exactly.
Yeah, Well, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the podcast and shining so much light on so many things.
I feel like talking to you has been.
Like an episode in itself for a while of a lot of it behind the scenes cool.
You know what It's like, Shane, when you watch like Yellowstone or something, and then they gave you that after the episode, like the post episode thing where they go into like all of the behind the scenes shit of the episode. You're literally that guy.
Oh good, Well that makes like I hope you're not gassing me off. It feels makes me feel better because.
No, no, no, it makes more sense of like it almost it's like watching it. It's like watching an episode and they're like special effects, you know what I mean, Like how did how did we get here? There has to be more to it. And I'm sure we're not the only two people that feel like that.
Thank you, And this was the perfect episode for me to be on the podcast on so you gave me a fantastic opportunity.
Of course.
Yeah, we can't wait to watch you crush the rest of the season. I'm so excited to finish it. It's been one of my favorite, if not favorite seasons of All Stars so far.
So thank you so much for coming on the show.
Thank you, Shane.
Where can people follow you on Instagram if they want.
To see you go on a little baby rant or like, where can they have only a baby rant?
Yeah, so if you're I appreciate the ability to plug it's Shananity s h A N N A N I T y Instagram is all I'm not on TikTok, not on Twitter, so everything else is.
Up break Well. Thank you so much, Shane. It's a pleasure catching up with you, rooting for you. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
My pleasure.
Well, I think that clears it all up, Tori. Shane was full of all of the information.
It was super interesting, super informative to talk to him. I'm like, he just added so much depth to the entire situation.
So having him on with such a pleasure.
So Shane, if you're still listening, thank you again for coming on.
It was really really cool to hear all of the stuff that you had to say. And Anissa, where can people follow you?
And love you on Instagram to support you after each episode is over.
You can follow me on Instagram at Anissa MTV that's a n e E s A MT and Tory where can they follow you and support you?
Wow?
Thanks so much. You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore deal.
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