Challenge icon Johnny Bananas is back on the podcast! He breaks down his beef with Alyssa Lopez (or her beef with him), what people don't understand about his gameplay and which rookies are using him for clout (hint: it's a lot). Also: Devyn explains how ice cream and Johnny led to her being on The Real World: Brooklyn.

Head to Paramount+ to catch new episodes of The Challenge: USA 2 on Thursdays and Sundays, and we'll see you back here right after for a look behind the scenes on MTV's Official Challenge Podcast.