Johnny Ayers has a front-row seat to the scam economy most of us never see. As founder and CEO of Socure — the identity verification platform behind billions of fraud checks a year — he's watched fraud evolve from stolen passwords to something much stranger: An influx of North Korean operatives holding remote U.S. tech jobs under fake identities, deepfakes convincing enough to fool a hiring manager on video, and AI models that recently broke out of a secured testing environment to launch a cyberattack on their own. 

On this episode of Mostly Human, Laurie sits down with Johnny to go behind the "locked doors" of the fraud-fighting world. Laurie even brings her own case studies — the network of fake "Laurie" profiles running scams, and a conversation with a teenage hacker who tried to scam her. It's a conversation about what happens to trust on the internet when anyone and anything can be faked and what any of us can do — right now — to protect ourselves from these growing threats. 

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