Mornings with Kelli and SteveHey, we're getting everything set up for Michael. You're hearing live radio just happened very poorly at the moment. And it's my fault because. I don't want to talk about it. It's time for okay. Wednesday.
It's okay.
Somebody hung up on Michael Redlick, and it was me. It was me, Michael. It was me. I'm so sorry.
To tell you guys what happened my first day on open Mike.
No. What happened?
I had a brand new iPhone. Never had an iPhone before. It was a long time ago. It was my first iPhone. Got it on Wednesday. It was on the air on Saturday. I didn't know how to work it. And, uh, the old studio in Chicago, you sat actually in the room right opposite the engineer and that was it. And I didn't have a producer, and there was a call screener out the door right behind me. And while I'm there on the radio, my phone goes off with some music I had put on the phone. Um, it starts, and I didn't know where it was coming from. Where's that music coming from? And you had a bad day. You know, the song is playing and. And then I realized it's my phone sitting on the table in front of me, and I don't know how to turn it off. And so I just picked it up and threw it out the door of the studio.
Oh, no. I was gonna ask, did you just throw it down the hall?
He he said to me, it's live radio. People are used to things going wrong.
So.
Oh that's hysterical.
That is so great.
Yeah, yeah. So ever since then and, you know, I've been doing radio a long time now. It's hard to believe, but every time something goes wrong with the engineer or something like that and they say, oh, that was on too long, or that we, you know, there's all sorts of stuff that music shouldn't have come on or whatever. I played the the wrong exit music, whatever I say, live radio.
Live radio. That's it.
I've got an android, Michael. And it's. And I never use the, uh, this it's their version of Siri, but its name is Bixby, and I don't like that. And I've got a habit of when I'm out doing my grocery shopping, I just shove the phone in my pocket. But if I bend over to get something, it activates Bixby. And I don't know why. And whenever I do this, I hear her say from my pocket loudly, you don't have to thank me. And I'm like, what is with you?
Oh my goodness me crazy.
Yeah, well, you should do that on the radio sometime. And then you can say live radio.
I'm going to pass. I'm going to pass. This phone shames me enough. It's a convenient embarrassment. Nope.
Yeah. There you go. I blame my phone for a lot of things, but that one was true.
That is so funny. You had a bad day.
Now I'm just interested to know who exactly you assigned that song to as a ringtone.
Well, it wasn't a ringtone. It was just the music on the phone. You know, I just. I got this album from a Jewish group called the Maccabeats, and they did all these songs.
Yeah.
That's right.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I haven't listened to them in a long time, but they were on my phone back then, so.
Oh my goodness. I just thought, you know, maybe it was, uh, you know, because you said it was quite a while ago. So maybe that was when the boss, Michael Easley, called. Then you just say you had a bad day. Yeah, right.
Hey, Michael, real quick, uh, where you are right now, before we get into questions, I want to know because I've been looking at radar. Are you getting pounded by any rain where you are?
Yes. Lightning and thunder and a lot of rain.
So, yeah, it's it's getting ready to cut loose here, too. I drove in through hail this morning. It was exciting. And that was. That was before 6 a.m.. That's how my day started. You had speaking of. You had a bad day and we got more to come.
So my dogs are not willing to go outside that way. They know we're just going to stay here sleeping. We like it.
Yeah. We're good. Yeah. Poor babies. We're good. We don't need to drink water today. Yeah. That's it. Oh my goodness. Well, it's great to hear your voice. Hey, is there anything special coming up on Saturday for, uh, the upcoming Open Line? What's going on this coming Saturday?
We've got a live audience of people. People who are apparently, uh, there's a special event at Moody Bible Institute for people who are especially interested in examining and hearing about Moody Bible Institute. And so they're going to be all around the school. And one of the things that they're going to see is how we do live radio. They're going to be part of the audience and they're going to ask the questions. And we're doing it right on our campus. It's pretty exciting. I love doing that. As you know, as I've done that in Indy, a lot of times, I love when the audience asks the question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's going to be a fun event. It sounds like it's going to be a treat for all those who are going to be involved there. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a lot of fun for us, you know, to meet them. I love meeting people. They. Listen this many times, and I love putting faces with the audience that I talk to all the time. So that's that's just an exciting time for us. We love it.
Well, that's going to be wonderful. So be sure, everybody. I just want to say it now. Just tune in on Saturday morning at 10 a.m. eastern until noon, right here on Moody Radio, Indiana. And you will be hearing that. Wonderful.
And when I say us, I want to say Eva and I, because I always make Eva come to those meetings and then people really like me when they meet her. Yeah. By extension.
Oh, that is so great. Well, we're glad for that. Hope it's going to be a wonderful, wonderful time there on the campus this weekend. Uh, we got to jump into some, uh, some questions here. Kelly, we've got we've got a few going on here.
Yep. And if, uh, you have a question for Michael, you do still have a couple of minutes to get that squeezed in. If you want to text it, you can or call (800) 969-9467. Uh, Michael, we are going to start with this question. This is from Marsha in Swayzee. And she says, I know that Joseph made his descendants promise to take his body back to Canaan and bury it there when God led them out of Egypt. But did they accomplish that before the 40 years wandering or. And I get tickled at the way she words this. Or did they lug his body around the wilderness for 40 years? She says if they did, the next question is, wouldn't his body have been embalmed and enclosed in a stone sarcophagus since he had the same status as any wealthy and powerful Egyptian? Does that mean that they would have had to haul around a stone sarcophagus as well?
They wouldn't have to. Oh. Well, uh. Here's what we know. Uh, the way they did bodies, apparently back in the ancient world is they put them in a sarcophagus, which means a flesh eater. And the body decomposed. Now, we don't know if they, uh, what they did with the body. Uh. whether or not he was embalmed or not, though, that was the Egyptian tradition. Uh, but normally, uh, apart from. We are not told that Joseph was embalmed. Uh, it says in Exodus 13, verse 19, Moses took the bones of with him because Joseph had made the Israelites swear a solemn oath, saying, God will certainly come to your aid. Then you must take my bones with you from this place. Now what normally would happen if there wasn't an embalming? Then the body would decompose in the sarcophagus and it would be placed. They would then be taken out of the sarcophagus sarcophagus and placed in a smaller box with just the bones. Uh, with the bones, the size. The whole box was about the size of one bone. The thigh bone. And which is the longest bone in the body. And it would be then placed all that and all the other bones would be placed in this smaller box, and that box would be what would they would have taken with them on the back of a donkey to Israel? I suspect that since they took Joseph's bones, and since Joseph was identifiably Jewish, after his family came, and Pharaoh knew that, that he wasn't in embalmed in the Egyptian way.
So. Okay. Wait. So so not okay. All right. Got it, got it. I was mixing up the two different things about how he wasn't in the bone box. Worked.
Yeah, his his body was, uh, decomposed. They had taken the the bones out of the large, heavy sarcophagus, placed it in a smaller box that they carried with them to the land of Israel.
Got it? Got it.
So it wasn't a big it wasn't it wasn't near as big as the Tabernacle, for example. So they were able to carry it with them until they brought it to the land of Israel.
Okay.
Got it. All right. Well, I hope that does help out. Uh, I was looking through and I did see that earlier. And so thank you very, very much for that. Marsha. Michael, we have another question right now on, um, it is I think it's Amazon Prime. There is a lot of talk about this new King David series called the House of David. And Jeff had sent this in by email. He asked the question, just saying, what do we know about King David's mother in this new program? That's kind of on par with the chosen. Uh, says the House of David. The series depicts David as an illegitimate son, and they proposed that his unsavory lineage is why he was a shepherd and kind of outcast, I suppose. Where does this idea then come from? Is there any any insight that we have as to the origin and his upbringing and who his mother was?
So can I just say that, uh, House of David admits that they take license, that they have all sorts of fiction that they have added to the story?
Yes.
And I'm not saying whether they should or shouldn't have, but people should read their Bibles, you know, and that's what they'll they'll know. One of the first things you'd know is that shepherds are not despised in Israel. You know, you hear that every Christmas. The reason that God sent the shepherds was because they were despised in Israel. That's not true. It says it in Genesis that when Jacob and his other sons came to Israel after to Egypt, after Joseph invited them down during the famine. They went down there, but they had to live in Goshen because shepherds herdsmen were despised in Egypt. That's not true in Israel. In fact, God is called the Messiah, is called the Shepherd of Israel, and it's one of the loftier titles. Read Ezekiel 34 A promise of the Messiah. Uh, the idea of God being a shepherd. If it was a despised role, it would not be a title of God in the Bible. So that's the first thing. Secondly, we don't know anything about Jesse's wife and David's mother to presume just because it doesn't talk about her that she was a Canaanite that David was born born illegitimately. That is just pure conjecture, something that nothing is, it seems to me, if that were true in the Bible, it would say it. It doesn't say it. What it does say is, in Psalm 51, David's great prayer of confession, that after he meets with Nathan and his sin with Bathsheba, it says in there that in sin was I conceived verse five, uh, and I really like how the Holman CSB translates this. It says in verse five, I was sinful when my mother conceived me, not that I was conceived in sin, but that from the very get go I had a sinful nature. That's what that verse means. So, uh, by the way, uh, that's true of me. From the birth, from birth, I had a sinful nature and true of Kelly. It's true of you, Steve, as well. And I'm going to. This is the most remarkable thing. It's even true of my wife, Eva. So, uh, she just doesn't operate out of it quite as much as I do. But, uh, the the point is that it's a, uh, it's a complete fictional fabrication that that you're seeing in House of David.
All right. Well, I hope that does help out to answer that question, I know that they have to take creative license in order to really fill in those gaps. Um, and, and, yeah, I.
I probably would have liked them to take a license that was probably a little bit more reasonable. Uh, now, I'll tell you what the good thing is. It's good for business, so to speak. I've gotten questions about this repeatedly.
It's good for business. Oh, I love it, I love it.
Yeah. No worries. As long as that's on the air, no one's going to cancel open line. So there we.
Go. You know, I've been watching it, Michael. Well, I will tell you, I. Before the program debuted on Amazon Prime, I saw a story about it on the Christian Post that it was going to be coming up. And there was a trailer for it, so I watched the trailer. I love special effects in movies. I've always been fascinated by special effects. Christian films in the past have had a history of being kind of cheesy, and I thought, I hope this is better because technology has advanced, so the special effects ought to be awesome. And it showed David slaying Goliath and the special effects were incredible. I'm thinking I've got to watch it just for that. So from the first episode I was hooked. But you recognize and there is a disclaimer at the beginning of the program with each episode that they have taken creative license. There is that disclaimer, but just like with the chosen, with with the beginning of each episode, I was just I was, I was hooked. I wanted to watch every episode, but if you are in your Bible, you recognize, even without that disclaimer, hey, they are taking creative license. I two things. One, I've and I've I've told people this the same thing that you've said, you've got to be in God's word. So you can't take a television show and substitute that for God's Word. You've got to be in the Bible. But shows like that, if you are in God's word for me, it just makes me want to go right back to the word and study it even more deeply. But number two, what I wanted to ask you is would you speak to our audience right now? Um. As only you can. Uh, and and talk to them about how they digest these things. What would you say as a word of caution about these things? Because ultimately, even though you know, they are meant to be built around what's happened in biblical history, it is also entertainment. It's not scripture.
Well, yeah, I think that's a good question, actually. Uh, first, uh, I would, I would say that, uh. Yeah. How do I say this? It depends on the person. But I'll give a you have to be in the word just as you say. Um, I had many years ago, there was a woman in a Bible study that I led. Uh, she would say to me, now, listen, you have to really do a good job at this Bible study because I don't read the Bible and this is the this and the Sunday sermon is the only input from the Word of God that I get this Bible study on Friday nights and Sunday morning. That's it. And so you better do a good job. And I used to say to her is, no, this really is wrong. You need to be in the word for yourself. I would say the same thing if someone's getting their content of the Bible from us, from the TV show The Chosen and House of David. Yeah. You're. No, no, no, uh, you don't need just a couple of TV shows and a sermon. No, you need to read the Bible. Um, if God made the effort and he did to inspire his word, then certainly we have to take the time to read it, especially in our privileged culture where everyone can have a Bible. So. And if you can hear the word better by listening to it, you know we have apps on our phones that just play the text. So just whatever it is, uh, you know, read the word. Uh, secondly, I think that there's a principle of interpretation which is called selectivity. It's particularly true in narrative portions of Scripture. And what I mean by this when I talk about selectivity is that, uh. That God has been very selective through his writers, through these authors. They selected what was most significant, what was important. And so apparently, in this story, House of David, they think it's important that David is illegitimate and an outcast. The text never says that. So obviously, even if it were true, which it doesn't appear to be, that's not something that the author of Scripture wanted us to get to glean from these stories. So that's my dog announcing that he wants to eat. If you guys want to know what that means.
So.
Um, but the so based on the principle of selectivity, I would be very cautious. Uh, when you read the story of David or the story in the Gospels. Uh, whatever. If you're watching The Chosen, try to remember that you're looking for what the author wanted to emphasize, not what the TV producer. That's that's what I would say is my great caution.
Yeah. Well, you know, that brings us to to a point of general revelation versus specific and personal revelation. You know, we can look out the window and see God's creation. We can marvel at who he is. But when we learn of who he is, he is revealing himself through the word and to every single person. What's so fascinating is that that revelation, that personal revelation of God, who to who he is to the reader is always different, always different. And that's what. Yeah, it's amazing. And we're missing out if we're not in his word.
Yeah. And I would just say that the revelation is always in the word of God. It's objectively, it should be the same for each of us except as, uh, as I've you know, I've taught biblical interpretation for a long time. Um, I always tell our students. And so what I tell people all the time, there's only one meaning to a given text, but there are many, many applications, and that's what happens. I think that's the process that theologians have called illumination. That when we read the word of God, we always begin with prayer. And we say, we ask the Holy Spirit to open our eyes. That's illumination. But we're asking him to do is not change the meaning for my particular situation. Or find a hidden meaning that no one else knew. What we're saying is, Lord, show me how this applies in my life.
Yeah.
Uh, and that's what you're talking about there. About the personal aspect of the word. Now, truth to tell, as we read the word, sometimes we're just reading the word, you know, and it's we're not getting any, you know, signs from heaven. Uh, I'm not getting a liver quiver. I'm not getting anything like that. I'm just reading the word and. And then what's amazing is something will come up and I'll say, oh, that's just like what I read about. And then later on, the insight will come about how it applies.
Yeah. So.
Uh, anyway, that's that's I agree with you, Steve, that there's a personal aspect of it. And, and that's why we need to read the word all the time so that we can get that application in our lives.
Absolutely, vitally important for each one of us.
I've never heard liver quiver. I got to jot that down and then take inventory next time I'm reading in case I feel something funny.
Uh oh boy.
Oh, boy.
Michael, you are a joy. I appreciate you so much. You and Eva both. Thank you for spending time with us today. This has been helpful. Especially entertainment. Christian entertainment.
By the way, how big is Goliath in the. In the House of David?
Wow.
Goliath is I. He's huge. I, I don't know if they say in the, uh, the film how big he is, but if you look, I'm going to give you an estimate. Looking based on the average size of normal human beings in the film, I would place him at about nine feet tall.
Yeah, that's that's what the text says. Nine feet, nine inches tall.
And however.
He's one of five. He's one of five.
In the film. Sure.
The family?
Yeah. Of course.
Uh, but nine feet, nine inches tall is what the text says. But if you look at the little footnote in your Bible, it says that the Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew text and the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, say it's he's shorter, that he's four cubits and a not not six cubits and a span. He's about six nine. He's about as big as LeBron, which if David was a normal sized person in that time, David probably was about five feet tall. And so he, you know, relatively speaking, uh, he was a giant. I think that the variant reading, uh, of in the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls is probably the more accurate. Uh, and so he was about, uh, about the same size as LeBron James, I would say. Um, and just when, when we, when I go to the Valley of Elah, there's always someone that's really tall on our trips. Six, six, six, eight, something like that. And it just seems like that. And then there's always someone, some woman that's about four, 11 or 5ft. I said, I make them stand next to each other. This is what it was.
Well, I'm only five one, so LeBron would be he'd be a giant for me. Yeah. Yeah.
And those people on that trip didn't know that it was audience participation.
No, no. But they're all picking.
Up their stones there in the valley.
Yeah. So that's it.
That's a whole other conversation about the stones in the valley.
All right.
Well, Michael, we appreciate your time this morning. God bless you, my friend. As you head on over to Cleveland. We're going to be sure everybody tunes in this weekend for a special live edition of Open Line with a live audience participation. Why don't you also go to Michael riedel.org and find out the latest from Doctor Michael?
Michael.
God bless you.
And.
Take care. All right. Bye bye.
Bye bye.
