Well. A controversial will return to our strata of the remaining five members of the Bali Nine has raised quite a few questions about the federal government's priorities. Canberra has been negotiating with the Indonesian government for a long time to allow the five to return home after their lengthy prison sentences. Meantime, an Adelaide family is still waiting for answers after sixty five year old Anna Jenkins remains were found on a Malaysian construction site more than two years after she disappeared. Now should the Albanesi government be doing more to find the answers? Joining Minaos, son of Anna Jenkins, Greg Jenkins, Greg, good morning to you, Thanks for your time, Good.

Well. A controversial will return to our strata of the remaining five members of the Bali Nine has raised quite a few questions about the federal government's priorities. Canberra has been negotiating with the Indonesian government for a long time to allow the five to return home after their lengthy prison sentences. Meantime, an Adelaide family is still waiting for answers after sixty five year old Anna Jenkins remains were found on a Malaysian construction site more than two years after she disappeared. Now should the Albanesi government be doing more to find the answers? Joining Minaos, son of Anna Jenkins, Greg Jenkins, Greg, good morning to you, Thanks for your time, Good.

Morning, thank you very much for having me on.

Morning, thank you very much for having me on.

Now. Background is, sir, what happened in your mother's case.

Now. Background is, sir, what happened in your mother's case.

So, mum was kidnapped and murdered December thirteenth, twenty seventeen, when she was on holidays in Malaysia. Since that time, we've had to pretty much do all of the searching o f fels and in twenty twenty I was able to find parts of mums bones and possessions and we're now going through the courts at this stage, and there's quite a lot in between that of so many injustices that we've experienced over the last seven years.

So, mum was kidnapped and murdered December thirteenth, twenty seventeen, when she was on holidays in Malaysia. Since that time, we've had to pretty much do all of the searching o f fels and in twenty twenty I was able to find parts of mums bones and possessions and we're now going through the courts at this stage, and there's quite a lot in between that of so many injustices that we've experienced over the last seven years.

What sort of support did the government offer way back then?

What sort of support did the government offer way back then?

Nothing.

Nothing.

We've just been constantly told that the fluff detat so the Department of seign Fairs and Trade cannot and we'll not get involved in over these states.

We've just been constantly told that the fluff detat so the Department of seign Fairs and Trade cannot and we'll not get involved in over these states.

Really that seems quite remarkable. We get involved in so many other cases, and as has been pointed out, you know the Balley five has been or Bali nine, the five that have come back to Australia. The government has been in long term negotiations with the Indonesian government.

Really that seems quite remarkable. We get involved in so many other cases, and as has been pointed out, you know the Balley five has been or Bali nine, the five that have come back to Australia. The government has been in long term negotiations with the Indonesian government.

Yeah, we've seen so many cases of it, and I guess this is our are main point. And I'm speaking on behalf of Lacinda and Brittany sisk as well, whose father, partner and a daughter were bound Gagger murdered in the Philippines. And we're struggling with the with the same concept. It doesn't seem to be the same level of support across all cases. You just look at you know Chappelle Corby for instance. You know the government went out of their way to assist them. You've got Julian Assange, where Kevin Rudds and the Albaneti government did whatever they could to assist Julian Assange. Same with the Bali, the Balion, the five guys returning. That just seems to be you know, depending on how high profile that sort of themes, how high profile your case is, will depend on what type of support that that you do get.

Yeah, we've seen so many cases of it, and I guess this is our are main point. And I'm speaking on behalf of Lacinda and Brittany sisk as well, whose father, partner and a daughter were bound Gagger murdered in the Philippines. And we're struggling with the with the same concept. It doesn't seem to be the same level of support across all cases. You just look at you know Chappelle Corby for instance. You know the government went out of their way to assist them. You've got Julian Assange, where Kevin Rudds and the Albaneti government did whatever they could to assist Julian Assange. Same with the Bali, the Balion, the five guys returning. That just seems to be you know, depending on how high profile that sort of themes, how high profile your case is, will depend on what type of support that that you do get.

The support should be there for anyone, whether it be high profile or profile.

The support should be there for anyone, whether it be high profile or profile.

Surely, absolutely, And this is what I mean, like, this isn't a self and tiled where you know, we expect more than anyone else. What we're trying to stay from our perspective is, you know, we would love for the Australian government to speak, you know, to for Mum's case, speak to the Malayan government and you know, the Malaysian justice system and offer the same level of support that have been given to convicted drug criminals overseas well.

Surely, absolutely, And this is what I mean, like, this isn't a self and tiled where you know, we expect more than anyone else. What we're trying to stay from our perspective is, you know, we would love for the Australian government to speak, you know, to for Mum's case, speak to the Malayan government and you know, the Malaysian justice system and offer the same level of support that have been given to convicted drug criminals overseas well.

Yeah, in your case, you're you're talking about someone who was going about their business in an honest and fair manner as opposed to people who are deliberately you know, trafficking drugs.

Yeah, in your case, you're you're talking about someone who was going about their business in an honest and fair manner as opposed to people who are deliberately you know, trafficking drugs.

Yeah. Absolutely, And there's no support system at all for victims of crime overseas. So we're not entitled to and not saying we're entitled to it, but we can't apply for you know, victims of crime. There's no support services. There's nothing in place, and I guess for a month's case, but we're trying to ask. You know, the ASP had the provision to do police police request we've got, you know, the Australian government can you know, in accordance with their own policies. They can raise issues with local authorities. You know, they can have a look to see if we're getting unforeseen delayed in our cases excester. So there's so many things that they could do. It's just they they choose not to and they can choose who they want to support.

Yeah. Absolutely, And there's no support system at all for victims of crime overseas. So we're not entitled to and not saying we're entitled to it, but we can't apply for you know, victims of crime. There's no support services. There's nothing in place, and I guess for a month's case, but we're trying to ask. You know, the ASP had the provision to do police police request we've got, you know, the Australian government can you know, in accordance with their own policies. They can raise issues with local authorities. You know, they can have a look to see if we're getting unforeseen delayed in our cases excester. So there's so many things that they could do. It's just they they choose not to and they can choose who they want to support.

Oh and there's no question on Australia has a good working relationship with the Australian government and the Malaysian government. They interact on many levels. This just seems to be a no brainer. And so what is the official word what you've obviously been in communication with DEFAT and say for what is their their final word on the matter.

Oh and there's no question on Australia has a good working relationship with the Australian government and the Malaysian government. They interact on many levels. This just seems to be a no brainer. And so what is the official word what you've obviously been in communication with DEFAT and say for what is their their final word on the matter.

Exactly what I what I said before is they cannot and will not get involved in overseas cases. And so they have offered support in terms of turning.

Exactly what I what I said before is they cannot and will not get involved in overseas cases. And so they have offered support in terms of turning.

Up to.

Up to.

The court cases and they have offered like a minimum amount of assistance. When I was trying to get Mum's remains from from Malaysia back to Australia, I found a treaty between Australia and Malaysia where they can get mutual assistance in criminal matters an exchange of notes, which means, you know, they can ask for basic things like taking evidence, identifying persons, they can examine objects and sights, and that's what we're trying to do as well as is get the police depolice assistance, the AFP and also DEFAT So what.

The court cases and they have offered like a minimum amount of assistance. When I was trying to get Mum's remains from from Malaysia back to Australia, I found a treaty between Australia and Malaysia where they can get mutual assistance in criminal matters an exchange of notes, which means, you know, they can ask for basic things like taking evidence, identifying persons, they can examine objects and sights, and that's what we're trying to do as well as is get the police depolice assistance, the AFP and also DEFAT So what.

You're suggesting, effectively is all the Australian government has to do is ask.

You're suggesting, effectively is all the Australian government has to do is ask.

Yes, wow, Yeah. It seems a simple. But we're only able to find thirty four of Mum's bones and they stop the search at the construction site because they wanted to protect the profits of the developer, so they only search for two days. So we're trying to, I guess, push for a research of the construction site and hopefully like there's the same level of support that you know, a convicted drug criminal gets, you know myself with Sinda and Britney fis, we're kind of hoping for the same level.

Yes, wow, Yeah. It seems a simple. But we're only able to find thirty four of Mum's bones and they stop the search at the construction site because they wanted to protect the profits of the developer, so they only search for two days. So we're trying to, I guess, push for a research of the construction site and hopefully like there's the same level of support that you know, a convicted drug criminal gets, you know myself with Sinda and Britney fis, we're kind of hoping for the same level.

We have a federal election coming up, and that usually makes governments and oppositions focus on issues that in the past they can just push to one side. Have you have you approached the opposition or local members to get some sort of support from a political level.

We have a federal election coming up, and that usually makes governments and oppositions focus on issues that in the past they can just push to one side. Have you have you approached the opposition or local members to get some sort of support from a political level.

Yees. For the last seven years, I've been reaching out to everyone, including Klie Palmer and Gina Reinhart all the way through to foreign ministers. We've got Frank Pagello who's been championed for us basically since he out there, and he's flown to Malaysia with me to support the family. But it just doesn't seem to be an appetite at the special government level.

Yees. For the last seven years, I've been reaching out to everyone, including Klie Palmer and Gina Reinhart all the way through to foreign ministers. We've got Frank Pagello who's been championed for us basically since he out there, and he's flown to Malaysia with me to support the family. But it just doesn't seem to be an appetite at the special government level.

Yeah. Look, I'm gobsmacked. I must admit, Greg, I wish there was some sort of advice i'd give you. You've given, You've taken all the possible angles and leads. I think giving publicity and shedding more light on it is more likely to get action than not. And particularly in light of the Bali nine stroke five, who seemed to have been given an armchair ride home, and you know, we want to know what they're going to get after this. The government is taking credit for all that, and yet you've got a case like Anna Jenkins and David Fisk case where they don't seem to be in the least bit interested.

Yeah. Look, I'm gobsmacked. I must admit, Greg, I wish there was some sort of advice i'd give you. You've given, You've taken all the possible angles and leads. I think giving publicity and shedding more light on it is more likely to get action than not. And particularly in light of the Bali nine stroke five, who seemed to have been given an armchair ride home, and you know, we want to know what they're going to get after this. The government is taking credit for all that, and yet you've got a case like Anna Jenkins and David Fisk case where they don't seem to be in the least bit interested.

Yeah, and that's all we're really, I guess calling for is to make sure that the same level of commitment from the Australian government is across everyone, like anyone that's in trouble overseas should be able to reach out. And as Anthony Alvinias he said, when Julians Sam's came back like this, this is what Australians do. We help each other's. Okay, well when does that start for after When did it start for the Sis family?

Yeah, and that's all we're really, I guess calling for is to make sure that the same level of commitment from the Australian government is across everyone, like anyone that's in trouble overseas should be able to reach out. And as Anthony Alvinias he said, when Julians Sam's came back like this, this is what Australians do. We help each other's. Okay, well when does that start for after When did it start for the Sis family?

Do you know you've been dealing with DFAT obviously Australian Federal Police. I'm just trying to think and who is the minister responsible? Is it the Attorney General?

Do you know you've been dealing with DFAT obviously Australian Federal Police. I'm just trying to think and who is the minister responsible? Is it the Attorney General?

Yes, I'm just going back a step. I was informed early on that I wasn't allowed for the two as representatives in kal And. I was informed by defact that I wasn't allowed to approach them or asked them any questions.

Yes, I'm just going back a step. I was informed early on that I wasn't allowed for the two as representatives in kal And. I was informed by defact that I wasn't allowed to approach them or asked them any questions.

Sorry, you're not You're not allowed to have approached and asked any questions.

Sorry, you're not You're not allowed to have approached and asked any questions.

Yes, I thought, yeah, because I have to have I have to have a meeting with him, just because I've never dealt with you. At the time, one was still a missing person that I've never dealt without my life. And I asking questions and they inform me that, you know, the AFP can't get involved in Malaysian cases. And I said, well, can we just pretended in Australia, like give me some options of what I should be doing. But yeah, I was told that, yeah, I wasn't allowed to contact them.

Yes, I thought, yeah, because I have to have I have to have a meeting with him, just because I've never dealt with you. At the time, one was still a missing person that I've never dealt without my life. And I asking questions and they inform me that, you know, the AFP can't get involved in Malaysian cases. And I said, well, can we just pretended in Australia, like give me some options of what I should be doing. But yeah, I was told that, yeah, I wasn't allowed to contact them.

Didn't you say that they have two AFP officers actually based in kale Yes and yet they're not allowed to speak on So what on the hell are they doing there?

Didn't you say that they have two AFP officers actually based in kale Yes and yet they're not allowed to speak on So what on the hell are they doing there?

I was told that they are therefore other matters and that was That was about as far as the dot.

I was told that they are therefore other matters and that was That was about as far as the dot.

Look, it's I'm done.

Look, it's I'm done.

It's yeah, like some of the things that you know, we've been told that for instance, you know, mum's been accused of so many things, but drugs, going hiking for the first time in sixty five years. You know, the family's been accused of domestic violence. The chief of police of the Panang District said that mum had just decided to go walking and don't worry there's mangoes and bananas in the jungle, so she'ld be out in a couple of days. No need to worry, so I can go back to Australia and reps. You know, I got told that Mum has a right to disappear and the right not to be found. I've had media outlets tell me that Mum's story isn't quickworthy, so it's it's not enough to continue running the story. Yeah, it's just so many. There's so many hurdles that we've had to go through, and I know that sis family are going through the same issues as well.

It's yeah, like some of the things that you know, we've been told that for instance, you know, mum's been accused of so many things, but drugs, going hiking for the first time in sixty five years. You know, the family's been accused of domestic violence. The chief of police of the Panang District said that mum had just decided to go walking and don't worry there's mangoes and bananas in the jungle, so she'ld be out in a couple of days. No need to worry, so I can go back to Australia and reps. You know, I got told that Mum has a right to disappear and the right not to be found. I've had media outlets tell me that Mum's story isn't quickworthy, so it's it's not enough to continue running the story. Yeah, it's just so many. There's so many hurdles that we've had to go through, and I know that sis family are going through the same issues as well.

So many dead ends. What personal expenses this come to, What financial outlaw of you had to What money have you had to spend virtually trying to another's situation.

So many dead ends. What personal expenses this come to, What financial outlaw of you had to What money have you had to spend virtually trying to another's situation.

So because the police didn't do any searching, we had to do it ourselves. So between myself, my sister and other family and friends, I've done fifty six I think trips to Malaysia in the last seven years. We've had. We're up to I think about eight hundred and sixty thousand in travel, accommodation, hiring cars so we could travel around, and court fees. I got fluod with another court fee. So the project manager who found Mums remain ordered the workers to move them, rebury them and never talk about it again. So you know, he contaminated a crime scene, he handled with evidence and he hit a cry from the police. The High Court judge just struck them out of the court case to say that they've got no, no, nothing to answer for. And I should be grateful that they eventually went to the police and they only did that because it's my pressure. Then I got fined because Mums should have put in the negligent claim, not me, which doesn't even make sense, but you're l should.

So because the police didn't do any searching, we had to do it ourselves. So between myself, my sister and other family and friends, I've done fifty six I think trips to Malaysia in the last seven years. We've had. We're up to I think about eight hundred and sixty thousand in travel, accommodation, hiring cars so we could travel around, and court fees. I got fluod with another court fee. So the project manager who found Mums remain ordered the workers to move them, rebury them and never talk about it again. So you know, he contaminated a crime scene, he handled with evidence and he hit a cry from the police. The High Court judge just struck them out of the court case to say that they've got no, no, nothing to answer for. And I should be grateful that they eventually went to the police and they only did that because it's my pressure. Then I got fined because Mums should have put in the negligent claim, not me, which doesn't even make sense, but you're l should.

Have put it it goodness gracious agree.

Have put it it goodness gracious agree.

And that's what I mean, like we would we would love a bit more support from from the Australian government to step in and go you know what this is, this is too far most definitely.

And that's what I mean, like we would we would love a bit more support from from the Australian government to step in and go you know what this is, this is too far most definitely.

Look as I said, well, you have a federal election coming up, and it's interesting how politicians become more attuned to issues. And I can assure you that we will have government ministers and opposition members in the studio and online between now and the election, which is could be as early as March. So can you be listening and you know and prompt us, but I will try to ask the questions and just see if someone will take action because this is hardly good enough.

Look as I said, well, you have a federal election coming up, and it's interesting how politicians become more attuned to issues. And I can assure you that we will have government ministers and opposition members in the studio and online between now and the election, which is could be as early as March. So can you be listening and you know and prompt us, but I will try to ask the questions and just see if someone will take action because this is hardly good enough.

Awes absolutely, and thank you very much for your time and from all the support from everyone. I'm running a social media campaign and we've just got flooded with so many offers of support, so thank you very much for having me on if.

Awes absolutely, and thank you very much for your time and from all the support from everyone. I'm running a social media campaign and we've just got flooded with so many offers of support, so thank you very much for having me on if.

How can people get in touch Greg? If you've got a social media but what's it on Facebook or what are you running it on?

How can people get in touch Greg? If you've got a social media but what's it on Facebook or what are you running it on?

It's on Facebook, and it's on TikTok, so on TikTok it's jenks free and on facebook's Anna Jenkins or jan Zy jen Xy and they can follow our story.

It's on Facebook, and it's on TikTok, so on TikTok it's jenks free and on facebook's Anna Jenkins or jan Zy jen Xy and they can follow our story.

Well, best of luck, and I'm sure you'll get the more overwhelming support and stay in touch and we'll all see what we can do.

Well, best of luck, and I'm sure you'll get the more overwhelming support and stay in touch and we'll all see what we can do.

Awesome, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.

Awesome, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.

Greg Jenkins, son of Anna Jenkins. Quite a remarkable story, isn't it. You would think government washes its hands and says, no, not much we can do. We don't interfere with overseas law cases, situations or court cases or whatever. Well they don't have to interfere, but they can at least sit in on it and lia Is at the highest levels, and the fact that they haven't done that, As Greg suggests, maybe it just wasn't high profile enough. It wasn't a chappelle. Corby wasn't a young attractive woman, It wasn't the Balley Nine. The two of them were executed for their crimes and drugs and so forth. There It made front page, It made the lead of all TV news services and radio news services. But a case like this is just left to fallow. Don't quite understand it.

Greg Jenkins, son of Anna Jenkins. Quite a remarkable story, isn't it. You would think government washes its hands and says, no, not much we can do. We don't interfere with overseas law cases, situations or court cases or whatever. Well they don't have to interfere, but they can at least sit in on it and lia Is at the highest levels, and the fact that they haven't done that, As Greg suggests, maybe it just wasn't high profile enough. It wasn't a chappelle. Corby wasn't a young attractive woman, It wasn't the Balley Nine. The two of them were executed for their crimes and drugs and so forth. There It made front page, It made the lead of all TV news services and radio news services. But a case like this is just left to fallow. Don't quite understand it.