Well at New South Australia, and homes are going to have to have bigger garages and more off street parking spaces. Under a push to keep cars off our suburban streets. The state government today is unfanning proposed planning laws. They're going to make it mandatory for garages to have a minimum size at least six meters in length and three point five in width. Is this going to make a difference overall? Joining in our is Liam Golding, the CEO of Urban Development Instview, say Liam, good morning to you.

Well at New South Australia, and homes are going to have to have bigger garages and more off street parking spaces. Under a push to keep cars off our suburban streets. The state government today is unfanning proposed planning laws. They're going to make it mandatory for garages to have a minimum size at least six meters in length and three point five in width. Is this going to make a difference overall? Joining in our is Liam Golding, the CEO of Urban Development Instview, say Liam, good morning to you.

Good morning Graham, good to be with you and your listeners.

Good morning Graham, good to be with you and your listeners.

Is this a good move? No?

Is this a good move? No?

No, in sure, it's not a good move. It is adding cost to the cost of building house at the worst possible time. We're in a housing crisis and mandating larger garage sizes is going to add to cost. And worse than that, it's actually not even going to change the issue that is at play that the government's trying to address at the moment.

No, in sure, it's not a good move. It is adding cost to the cost of building house at the worst possible time. We're in a housing crisis and mandating larger garage sizes is going to add to cost. And worse than that, it's actually not even going to change the issue that is at play that the government's trying to address at the moment.

They're trying to get cars off the street, particularly in the newer suburbs. You don't think this is going to help in.

They're trying to get cars off the street, particularly in the newer suburbs. You don't think this is going to help in.

That respect, Well, no, I don't think. I think what's going to happen is people are going to have more based in the garage that they're going to use for storage, for home gyms and for other things. The current standards that we have for garages more than accommodate a B ninety nine vehicle, which is by Australian standards, ninety percent of vehicles on the road are accommodated by the current minimum garage size. We do know that new cars are trending larger, but the four Ranger, which is the highest selling new car, is actually bang on that B ninety nine level. And I'll freely admitt it snug, but that does fit into the current minimum garage size.

That respect, Well, no, I don't think. I think what's going to happen is people are going to have more based in the garage that they're going to use for storage, for home gyms and for other things. The current standards that we have for garages more than accommodate a B ninety nine vehicle, which is by Australian standards, ninety percent of vehicles on the road are accommodated by the current minimum garage size. We do know that new cars are trending larger, but the four Ranger, which is the highest selling new car, is actually bang on that B ninety nine level. And I'll freely admitt it snug, but that does fit into the current minimum garage size.

It's interesting you say that, Liam, because you know I've done shows on the station before and we've talked about the ever increasing size of vehicles, and particularly when you go to a shopping center and you park between two big uts, so y SUVs or whatever, it's it's very snug. But you're saying that, particularly when it comes to garages, they do accommodate these larger vehicles even though it's a tight fit.

It's interesting you say that, Liam, because you know I've done shows on the station before and we've talked about the ever increasing size of vehicles, and particularly when you go to a shopping center and you park between two big uts, so y SUVs or whatever, it's it's very snug. But you're saying that, particularly when it comes to garages, they do accommodate these larger vehicles even though it's a tight fit.

Yeah, it's a tight fit. And I know from growing up the garage that just to be on my parents bungalow and everything. We used to store some other things in there. We'd have the car and then the lawnmower or whatever else around it, because we could fit it in that. The problem is that in order to fit modern cars into the garage, you can't really fit anything else in there. And what we're seeing is people are choosing to put the storage in there. Enough they put the storage in, the car doesn't sit, and at that stage it's like, well, we might as well put the fitness equipment in here and have ourselves at home gym as well. The problem that we have in suburban streets at the moment is all one about enforcement and about addressing local parking issues with the tools that are currently in place that counselors can use for making sure that people are parking their vehicles off street.

Yeah, it's a tight fit. And I know from growing up the garage that just to be on my parents bungalow and everything. We used to store some other things in there. We'd have the car and then the lawnmower or whatever else around it, because we could fit it in that. The problem is that in order to fit modern cars into the garage, you can't really fit anything else in there. And what we're seeing is people are choosing to put the storage in there. Enough they put the storage in, the car doesn't sit, and at that stage it's like, well, we might as well put the fitness equipment in here and have ourselves at home gym as well. The problem that we have in suburban streets at the moment is all one about enforcement and about addressing local parking issues with the tools that are currently in place that counselors can use for making sure that people are parking their vehicles off street.

What about the suggestion is that it doesn't have to be a garage as such, it needs to be a driveway or so that can take a vehicle.

What about the suggestion is that it doesn't have to be a garage as such, it needs to be a driveway or so that can take a vehicle.

Certainly, Yeah, and I think that there was I must I'm getting up to speed with all of the detail and the government's changes. But I note that there is where there's more than two bedrooms in a house that need to be parking for two cars off street. I think one of them enclosed and one of them off in a driveway or some suche. That seems to be something that's manageable. It's really covered garages that have the highest additional cost associated with them because you are putting build costs into that, and for every additional build with a house, there's a square meter cost involved as well. The modeling that we've had done professionally for the UDA shows that increasing garage vizors can lead to an increasing cost of up to one hundred and ten thousand dollars in in fuel areas or sixty thousand dollars in brand build areas, depends on whether it's a two story build, one story build, and both sorts of details, but we're looking at a significant increase to the cost of housing at a time more in our housing prices.

Certainly, Yeah, and I think that there was I must I'm getting up to speed with all of the detail and the government's changes. But I note that there is where there's more than two bedrooms in a house that need to be parking for two cars off street. I think one of them enclosed and one of them off in a driveway or some suche. That seems to be something that's manageable. It's really covered garages that have the highest additional cost associated with them because you are putting build costs into that, and for every additional build with a house, there's a square meter cost involved as well. The modeling that we've had done professionally for the UDA shows that increasing garage vizors can lead to an increasing cost of up to one hundred and ten thousand dollars in in fuel areas or sixty thousand dollars in brand build areas, depends on whether it's a two story build, one story build, and both sorts of details, but we're looking at a significant increase to the cost of housing at a time more in our housing prices.

I also noticed that in the proposal, property developers and builders who ignore the rules would be forced to pay a fee of up to forty five thousand dollars per garage now to go into a taxpayer fund which would be used to build more public parking and improve bicycle routs.

I also noticed that in the proposal, property developers and builders who ignore the rules would be forced to pay a fee of up to forty five thousand dollars per garage now to go into a taxpayer fund which would be used to build more public parking and improve bicycle routs.

What are your thoughts on that well, yeah, that does feel like a new tax on housing construction. There's already a lot of costs associated with building new houses, open space funds and the like what we're particularly concerned about. Notwithstanding that, we'd prefer to not see any new costs or new taxes at all. But we know that there's an open space fund which operates in a similar way at the moment. There's an urban tree fund which operates in a similar way as well. It's unclear whether these funds are having exactly the right impact in the right location. So where there is where there are people paying into these fees for open space and for other things, we're not necessarily seeing those outcomes in the local area where the things pay. We hate to see a situation where people are paying into a car parking fund and it's paying for car parking in other suburbs far away and not having an effect on the local amenity.

What are your thoughts on that well, yeah, that does feel like a new tax on housing construction. There's already a lot of costs associated with building new houses, open space funds and the like what we're particularly concerned about. Notwithstanding that, we'd prefer to not see any new costs or new taxes at all. But we know that there's an open space fund which operates in a similar way at the moment. There's an urban tree fund which operates in a similar way as well. It's unclear whether these funds are having exactly the right impact in the right location. So where there is where there are people paying into these fees for open space and for other things, we're not necessarily seeing those outcomes in the local area where the things pay. We hate to see a situation where people are paying into a car parking fund and it's paying for car parking in other suburbs far away and not having an effect on the local amenity.

Well, these are only proposed planning laws at the moment. Did the government approach you for any input.

Well, these are only proposed planning laws at the moment. Did the government approach you for any input.

I've been in discussions with the government about this for a while. I don't think anything I'm saying today is going to be surprising them. We're disappointed that they have chosen to add additional cost to housing at this time, but we'll continue to work with government and I'm sure that US and other industry associations will be making strong submissions to try and make sure that there's no impact or minimal impact on the cost of housing and housing affordability.

I've been in discussions with the government about this for a while. I don't think anything I'm saying today is going to be surprising them. We're disappointed that they have chosen to add additional cost to housing at this time, but we'll continue to work with government and I'm sure that US and other industry associations will be making strong submissions to try and make sure that there's no impact or minimal impact on the cost of housing and housing affordability.

William, thanks for your time today.

William, thanks for your time today.

Good to chat, good chat, Thanks Graham.

Good to chat, good chat, Thanks Graham.

So what are your thoughts, folks? You all for larger garages? Would it make a difference? Are you prepared to accept the additional cost that would be incurred joining me in our as Will Frogley, you see are the master builders essay, Will Good morning to you.

So what are your thoughts, folks? You all for larger garages? Would it make a difference? Are you prepared to accept the additional cost that would be incurred joining me in our as Will Frogley, you see are the master builders essay, Will Good morning to you.

Good morning Graham, good to be with you.

Good morning Graham, good to be with you.

Good news or bad news.

Good news or bad news.

It's bad news. I really echo a lot of what Liam just said. At the end of the day, this is yet another cost that's ultimately going to be worn by the first home buyer, Graham, and I really wish that the government would really put themselves in the shoes of a first home buyer before they continue to bring in additional regulation. And let's face it, this isn't going to apply rich respectively to probably ninety five percent of housing out there. It's really largely the first home buyer that will copy it. And at the end of the day, it's going to make it more expensive to build. You're going to require more land to get the same house on due to the larger garages, and like Liam said, extra cost I was listening to his comments about the garret sizes and vehicle sizes and Greg, what do you think the highest selling vehicle was in Australia last year?

It's bad news. I really echo a lot of what Liam just said. At the end of the day, this is yet another cost that's ultimately going to be worn by the first home buyer, Graham, and I really wish that the government would really put themselves in the shoes of a first home buyer before they continue to bring in additional regulation. And let's face it, this isn't going to apply rich respectively to probably ninety five percent of housing out there. It's really largely the first home buyer that will copy it. And at the end of the day, it's going to make it more expensive to build. You're going to require more land to get the same house on due to the larger garages, and like Liam said, extra cost I was listening to his comments about the garret sizes and vehicle sizes and Greg, what do you think the highest selling vehicle was in Australia last year?

The highest ceiling, the highest selling vehicle Australia. Oh it was it was something large, wasn't it? Was it the Ford Ranger or one of the beginning.

The highest ceiling, the highest selling vehicle Australia. Oh it was it was something large, wasn't it? Was it the Ford Ranger or one of the beginning.

There's a Toyota Wrap four. So we really think introducing three point five by six meters minimum garage isn't necessary. Is the top selling car in Australia as four point six four meters long by one point eight sixty five meters wide and that fits comfortably within current requirements. So and as Liam said that, the vast majority of cars out there on the roads currently fit within those areas.

There's a Toyota Wrap four. So we really think introducing three point five by six meters minimum garage isn't necessary. Is the top selling car in Australia as four point six four meters long by one point eight sixty five meters wide and that fits comfortably within current requirements. So and as Liam said that, the vast majority of cars out there on the roads currently fit within those areas.

But there is a trend towards larger vehicles, isn't it?

But there is a trend towards larger vehicles, isn't it?

There certainly is, And there's some options you could look at there around how much it costs for registration for some of those larger vehicles. But the cost is consistent certainly with what Lea mentioned with the Udiah report is certainly consistent with what we think it is. But there's additional cost as well that needs to be taking into account. And I'll give you a good example. I was speaking with a developer this morning about this and he said, well, I've got a site at the moment where I've got six allotments that will be on that site, and if something like this comes in then I might only be able to build five, and that reduces obviously the viability of the project, and it could in turn lead to him deciding not to go ahead with it. Now, at a time where we're desperate to build more houses, we need to make it more attractive, not less.

There certainly is, And there's some options you could look at there around how much it costs for registration for some of those larger vehicles. But the cost is consistent certainly with what Lea mentioned with the Udiah report is certainly consistent with what we think it is. But there's additional cost as well that needs to be taking into account. And I'll give you a good example. I was speaking with a developer this morning about this and he said, well, I've got a site at the moment where I've got six allotments that will be on that site, and if something like this comes in then I might only be able to build five, and that reduces obviously the viability of the project, and it could in turn lead to him deciding not to go ahead with it. Now, at a time where we're desperate to build more houses, we need to make it more attractive, not less.

Good on you, Will Will Frogley from the Master Builders, Essa

Good on you, Will Will Frogley from the Master Builders, Essa