Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 11 April 2025

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Good morning to you. Welcome to gather around Friday on five double A this April of the eleventh, Another beautiful day in town. If you're a visitor to our fair city, welcome. We hope you're enjoying your time here if you just arrived today. So much is happening with gather around. Of course, nine wonderful games of footy. One's already gone. I prefer not to talk too much about that, but it was a sensational spectacle. Adelaide Oval looked an absolute treat. The laser show before the game was spectacular. All is that you could not have as a showcase for the whole gather around. It couldn't have started better, would have been a little better at the crowsed one, but well they didn't. And that's football. But still another eight games to come, and we'll we talk a little bit about more about that later on when we're going to have a chat with a famous dad, well a dad of a very famous son who is playing in a game tomorrow. He's an expat. He doesn't play in Adelaide any longer, sadly, because he would be would have been a sensational addition to either the Crows or port. But anyway, enough of that. Also on the show today, a woman has unknowingly given birth to another couple's child after a devastating embryo mix up at monash ivf. It's believed to be the first such case in Australia. He can only just imagine the anguish that has been felt by both sets of parents. The era only came to light after the birth parents, based in Brisbane, tried to transfer their remaining embryos and discovered an extra one still in storage, proving the embryo used had not been theirs. The mistake, which monash IVS is admitted to, was caused by human error and is without question left both families heartbroken. We'll find out a little bit more about that when we speak with a bioethicist about the situation and the position that's been put upon both sets of parents, and hopefully how it will never happen again. Donald Trump's shock reversal on Tariff's sent world stock market's rocketing higher. Well it did initially a temporary reprieve. Who knows what's going to happen next with the US President. In fact, Wall Street overnight share markets have plunged yet again, after the White House clarified that China's tariff rate is actually one hundred and forty five percent. We're going to try to make some sense of it with a senior research fellow and author, Bruce Walpy. A little bit later on, we hear that South Australia and prisons are on the brink of overflowing. The Opposition is calling on the Governor di Urgent the outline their plan for our prison capacity. The wide ranging fifty five million dollar drought support package for South Australian farmers was announced recently by the state government. The new package was on top of eighteen million dollars announced in November and as going towards such measures as rebates, infrastructure, financial counseling and mental health support, as well as assisting charities that transport fodder. But it's welcome news, if a little late, but I want to focus on the mental health aspects and support for our farmers a little bit later on. Now, have you flown with Vergin in Australia in the past five years. You could be in for a nice little refund. We're going to tell you a little bit more about that and spence a safe labour scene in out Adelaide is the biggest beneficiary of the Albaneasi government's social welfare and tax reforms during its first term. We'll tell you more about that too. So a lot is happening on the show, including your cause. I'd love to hear from you on eight double two to three doublow doubleow. Well, there's no question that weather in Adelaide at the moment is absolutely perfect. Go a little bit outside the metro area. It's not perfect, certainly not for our farmers. They want to see rain, but it's not on the horizon at the moment. I'm mentioning that because Australians have been urged to prepare for an unusually warm winter, the Bureau of Meteorology forecasting above average temperatures across the country in the months ahead. Now, while many regions are just beginning to cool off from a record breaking March and a sizzling start to summer or to April, the long range forecast suggests the warmer weather is far from over. From May to July, daytime temperatures a tip to be warmer than usual across most of the country, with a heightened chance of unusually hot days away from the northern tropics. Overnight temperatures are also likely to remain above average nationwide. Okay, now, should we really take the Bureau of Meteorology predictions with a grain of salt? How accurate have they been? Of late? In the summer just gone, the BOMB predicted a sixty to eighty percent chance of above average rainfall across many region. However, areas, including parts of south Eastradia, have experienced significantly low, if any rainfall. This discrepancy led to frustration among farmers and race concerns about the reliability of long range forecasts. So here's the Bureau saying above average rainfall is coming. Well, I think we're entering a third year of a drought here in Southastrada. And if that's not enough. In September twenty twenty three, the Bureau of Meteorology declared an El Nino event, typically associated with hotter and drier conditions. Now, this led many farmers, especially in Victoria, to selling livestock in anticipation of drought. Contrary to expectations, the summer turned out to be wetter than average, resulting in financial losses for those who had the stocked. They're just two examples of where the bomb has got it wrong and dramatically wrong. So when the bureau is saying be prepared for an unusually warm winter, take it with a grain of salt. Your thoughts love to hear them. Eight double two three double o double.

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Once again, if you're a visitor to Adelaide, thanks for coming and enjoying what our city and regional areas have to offer. We hope you enjoy the footy and if you'd like to ring up and have a chat to us about coming over for gather on what your thoughts are about it pro and con let us know. Eight double two three double o double is my number. Give me a call.

Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Good morning, eighteen minutes past nine, five double A on Friday morning, end of the working week, end of the school term too. I believe so exciting times ahead for the kids. I think they're off over Anzac Day and Easter their break. So I don't know about you as a parent. The first week or two was great to have the kids home, and after that you're thinking, h is it time to go back to school now? Well, weather like this, it is great to have the family together and be able to get out and enjoy it. Maybe slip along and see one of the games and gather around. I think they're pretty well all booked out. Sure there must be some tickets to one of the games here or there. A double two to three double is my number. If you were one, or comment on events of the day or something that's taken your fancy. You don't forget your pretty much. The eyes and ears of us here at five double A. So if you're seeing things happening out in your neck of the woods, give us a call and tell us about it. We'd like to hear well. A woman has given birth to another couple's child after a devastating embryo mix up at monash Ivf. It's believed to be the first such case in Australia. The era came to light only after the birth parents, based in Brisbane, tried to transfer their remaining embryos and discovered an extra one still in storage, proving the embryo used had not been theirs. The mistake, which monash ivf Is admitted was caused by human error, has left both families understandably heartbroken and grappling with unimaginable emotional and ethical trauma. The woman carried and gave birth to a child she believed was biologically hers, while the genetic parents were unaware their embryo had already resulted in a child. You just cannot possibly imagine the anguish and concern that this would cause both sets of parents. We'll try and make some sense of this now as we speak with the University of South Eastradia research fellow empirical bioethicist doctor Hillary Bowman, Smart doctor. Good morning to you, Thanks for joining us today.

Good morning Graham.

This is pretty much an unimaginable situation. Have you heard of this happening anywhere before?

Not in Australia. So there have been some incidences in the United States, but not in Australia as far as we're aware. This is the first time that this has happened in Australia.

Now, when the dust settles on this and people come to the realization that this is the case, what are the legal rights do each sete of parents have over the child?

So legally at this stage it's difficult to say, because I there will undoubtedly be legal actions. I don't think there is a legal precedent sort of at this stage, and with a lot of you know, reproductive technologies. Australia legalized mitochondrial replacement therapy in twenty twenty two, and also surrogacy laws. We're sort of having to navigate a lot of legal questions around parentage. But at this stage in Australia, the birth parents are sort of presumed to be the legal parents, and that's the same with surrogacy. We're sort of at birth the surrogate is the legal parent and that's then transferred by court order. So my understanding at this stage is that the you know, the parents, the woman who gave birth to that child's would be the legal parents. But we don't really know exactly what will happen, I suppose with legal action.

So this is the sort of situation which will only be resolved in the courts.

I think there's the legal question, but there's also a much bigger sort of ethical and philosophical and you know, psychological question around who is the parent. And we often talk about, you know, parenthood in terms of genetic parenthood, but you know, like for the mother, for the woman who's given birth, I don't think you know, it's fair to say that that's say a stranger's baby that's that's her baby. She's you know, spent nine months gest stating that baby. She's raised the baby for a few months, so you know, gestation is also a really important thing to consider. It's no simple feat and so it's going to be really challenging to navigate that, you know, just between the sort of these two sets of parents and the two families.

What implications does this case have for current IVF protocols and safety procedures in Australia.

So I think the thing that's important to recognize is that this is very rare, very unusual, and there will be an investigation, but I would think it would be sort of an isolated incident, you know. I think people undergoing IVF should should, you know, be aware that this is very unlikely, and no doubt that, you know, LAB protocols will become even stricter after this incident, even more sort of more precautions put in place.

It would seem logical that they will inevitably be a civil lawsuit against Monash IVF.

Yes, yeah, as as I said before, I would imagine so, And it's really difficult to say how that is going to play out, you know, because there's obviously the element of psychological distress on the part of the parents, and this will have been you know, really you know, devastating for the clinicians and the embryology involved. As to the parents, it's devastating because often there are obviously people dealing with infertility, that's why they're undergoing IVS, So you know, they've given birth to this baby that have tried really hard to have, So there's that element. IVF can be very financially kind of, it can be very expensive, and also just the sort of emotional rollercoaster that pregnancy can be. Another key factor will be something like the best interests of the child and the right to know when they grow up sort of about this situation and about where they came from.

Do you think it's going to cause a level of concern for parents taking part in IVF programs around the country.

I can imagine people hearing this news would feel, you know, very concerned. As you've sort of sort of said before, it's a really it's a nightmare scenario. But again, this would be very rare, and I think you know, it should it should It would most likely be an ie lated incident.

Yeah, I mean, we can only feel for all those involved, the emotional stresses involved that. You know, as a parent, if you thought you had to give up your child because of a mix up like this, you know, it would haunt you for the rest of your life.

Yeah.

The simple sort of factor is that there is no easy answer to this. Even if you know, for example, there's there's legal precedents about around who sort of assumes legal parentage, that doesn't resolve the fact that you know, there's one of parents out there who have created this embryo and were you know, that was going to be their child. And then there's another set of parents who has you know, also created embryos, received the wrong embryos and gone through pregnancy and the emotional toll of ibs and raised that child for you know, my understanding is at least a few months before you know, finding out this fact. So whatever side the law ends falling on, and I think that would be a very complex question to navigate, it's just going to be really hard.

Yeah. Look, doctor, thanks so much for your time. It is a very difficult issue and thanks for shedding some light on for us. That's doctor Hilary Bowman Smart, University of South Australia Research fellow and empirical bioethicist on the situation that it just beggars belief. Imagine a woman giving birth to another couple's child. You believe it's yours. After undergoing the IVF for treatment, an embryo mix up has meant that you've given birth to someone else's child. It's believed to be the first such case in Australia. Hopefully it will be the only one ever. If you were in an IVF program at the moment, you would be asking questions, wouldn't you Monash. IVF has admitted it was caused by human error, but that has not, you know, ease the burden of heartbreak on both families who grappling with unimaginable emotional and ethical trauma, and it will no doubt end up in the courts. Your views. Like to hear them at double two three, double oh, Jim, says A Graham. This is what happens when humans try to be God with conception high grame. We should start talking predictions, modeling, experts, and speculation with a grain of salt, as real life outcomes and history shows they are ridiculously erroneous of cause anxiety, social and financial issues. For no reason. Yeah, that's on the predictions of the Bureau of Meteorology that we're in for a warmer than usual winter. But you know, you only have to look into recent history to see the Bureau has been wrong, wrong, wrong, on many occasions. So you know, if they're having trouble predicting three, four, five, six days out, how are they are predicting a month out three months out? And in fact, with all their equipment and so forth, you would think the art of predicting the weather would get better, But I don't know that it is any better than it was twenty or thirty years ago. Your thoughts cases, if I was the baby when I grew up, I'd want to be with my biological family. The baby won't remember this and belongs with that family. Yeah, look, it is It is just a dilemma, isn't it. So if you bring up a child in this situation that isn't biologically yours but your the birth parents, and you know this has been discovered very early on. But if the child grows up to be a teenager believing their parents that they've lived with all their life of their parents, only to find out that their biological parents are somebody else, strangers are in fact your parents. What position would that leave you in? What mental state would that leave you in? It would be just an untenable, unbelievable and harmful situation. And I feel for everyone involved. Hi Graham, jail solution pack em Rackham and Stackham put the bunk beds in for prisoners, per Cell, says Ian Graham. Aren't the Bomb the same mob telling us how bad climate change is going to be? I sometimes wonder what their predictions would have been during the ice age. Good on your Peter, Thank you for that, Graham. Let's pray those at the Bomb don't give for financial advice because they would send people broke in world record time. Thank you so much for that. We're going to take a break for news headlines. Then we're going to be back and bring you the latest on Donald Trump, his tariff's, their impact, and what's happening with the markets around the world. Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty eight to ten, Five Double A on a Friday. Welcome to Adelaide. If you have just arrived here for gather around, hope you enjoy the hospitality, everything that Adelaide has to offer. Let know what game you're going off to see all games. It's amazing the number of people are saying, you know, I'm going to see two or three games, or four or five games, or some are just flying in and flying out to see one game. But whatever, it's an exciting time to be in Adelaide. Well, Donald Trump's shock reversal on tariff's has sent world stock markets rocketing higher. Well, they did, but that was only a temporary reprieve. In fact, Wall Street I chair marckets have plunged yet again after the White House clarified that China's towerf right is actually one and forty five percent. Another day, another change to try to make some sense of it. Joining me now is USSC Senior fellow and author Bruce Walby. Bruce, good morning to you.

Very great to talk with you again, Graham, Thank you so much.

Can we make some sense of this or is this sort of a movable face changing from day to day.

Oh, what's happening is irrational, but what is what is occurring in the aftermath is very rational. As markets and people react, I mean, people were happy that Trump wound back a lot of these so called reciprocal tariffs that also are affecting Australia. Yesterday in the market shot up like a skyrocket when but in the morning after it's clear that the two biggest countries in the economies in the world are at war with each other and that has really difficult, if not catastrophic consequences if nothing is done, and so people are absorbing that there can be now no trade between the US and China because it's too expensive. The goods cost too much after you slap one hundred and forty five percent tariff on stuff coming in from China and stuff going to the US is around one hundred percent eighty percent, So that means that's going to affect everybody, it is, and that's what the markets are doing. They're pricing that in.

I was I was going to say that it isn't it. I mean, it's a trade war terwerfall between the two superpowers. But the trickle down effect is we're all going to be impacted.

Well, but you also have a lack of confidence now in the President of the United States a because of the behavior, b because it's erratic and he has you know, he considers himself in the White House with saying yesterday that was an example of the art of the deal, the grand Master at work. Well, let's just look at that for a moment. We have Trump saying that he wants to end the war in Ukraine. Well, the art of the deal is that war is continuing. He wants to end the war in Gaza, that war is deepening. He wants to have nuclear talks with the Rant. That'll have hap and tomorrow in the Middle I think they're meeting in Oman, they'll be representatives meeting in Oman. Well, that's a long way from being solved. And now we have tariffs around the world, and Trump says he wants to negotiate that and so forth. That's going to take weeks. Well he said it's a ninety day extension. It's going to take months to work out. So we have if you think about it, in the last with before even one hundred days is out, the United States is no longer the leader of the free world. Country from the EU, UK, Canada, Australia, they're looking at this.

They don't like the.

Direction that he's bleeding, and he is, and so we're there's a lot of being absorbed to and we've and we've had the end of the global trading system right now because the US and China are no longer in it. So that's a real problem.

He professes to be wanting to get back what the US deserves all along, and you know that's the US has been suffering at the hands of the rest of the world. But some of these comments amount to little more than bullying. I mean, he's sort of saying that these other countries are literally coming back cap in hand, you know, kissing his ass, you know, I mean, yeah, is this the way? Is this international diplomacy?

I don't know, if you were the prime minister of a country, how would you feel? He'll take not too good and your butt wouldn't feel too good either. And you know when you say something like that, they're you know, kissing my rear with I mean, that's that's humiliation and domination, right, I mean what kind of channel of discussion is that? And and then you think about other things that he has on Greenland, for example, Canada, you know, to make it the fifty first state, and it's sort of like Mike makes right, where the United States where the biggest country we have interest they have to be taken care of, and we're going to do it well, that's a that's a different order of magnitude leadership than we've seen from the United States over the past century.

Some of the comments by Donald Trump about Greenland, the Panama Canal, Canada and forth. If Vladimir Putin was saying that about other countries, where the world would recoil in horror, saying, you know, expansionist, expansionist, he's trying to take over the world.

Well, well, Putin invades Ukraine. NATO is on the you know, defensants and supporting Ukraine. Well, what does Trump want to do invade another NATO ally Denmark. It's it's you know, you can kind of laugh about it, but it is a different world, and we're not sure where he's going to go or the degree to which he goes down these roads that he's outlined, and so that hurts confidence in the economy. It promotes uncertainty, nerves, nervous tension if you're nervous and not going to spend a lot of money, and it's uh, we're living with it and it's not pleasant.

The main game at the moment is that the trade war, the tariff battle with China. Is it a case of who'll blink first.

Well, I don't know about Blink, but I know this that China will not back down unilateral. It's going to it was a mutual build up. It's got to be a mutual back down. And I mean Trump thought that he could out muscle China by raising tariffs to such an extent that China would say, Okay, I give up. That isn't the way China my understanding of the way China is and what its posture has been. So it's going to take some really hard, serious diplomacy and negotiation. And I don't know who's going to leave that discussion, and we don't know what the parameters are. But where we are now, I guess can exist kind of indefinitely. But that isn't an answer either. So this is going to be an ultimate test that his presidency depends in the future of the country and therefore the world depends on what's going to happen over the next six months.

Well, Donald Trump professes to be a grete in Theguisiata, and a deal like this is really going to put him to the test this time.

Well, that's what I'm saying. He says that, but he hasn't closed any deal. He hasn't closed Ukraine, he has not closed Gaza, He's not closed they ran nuclear talks, and he hasn't closed trade. So he talks a big game, but I don't know whether the result is going to be there. I mean, I hate to be so pessimistic. And yeah, I'm a Democrat and people can understand my pedigree. But what I like to is for people to understand why you're seeing what you're seeing. And this man is he does have very strong ideas about what the United States should do, what happened to what's happened to the US over the past four decades, and through his eyes of globalization and bad trade agreements and bad wars and so forth. And I understand that, but to fix it requires something more adroit and capable than what we're seeing right now.

We are seeing it all through the lens of being here in Australia and how it impacts us. What is the feeling of the average person in the street in America? You know, does Trump have the support that he had when he came to pout.

His approval rating is really receded since he won the election just a shy of fifty percent. It was forty nine point five forty nine point eight in the popular vote the law of you know, vote totals, and his approval rating was in the high forties. Today it's at forty percent and it's probably headed into the thirties, which is really bad territory. And it's because it's because of management or mismat of the economy and people see it and they are not happy with what they're seeing. He's very popular on his immigration policies, just like here in Australia where immigration is a red hot issue from time to time and people say, yeah, you know, I want tough stuff at the border. He's giving them that and they like that. But again it's a degree of confidence as to where where the economy is going now for him in political terms, the real question is where is the economy a year from now? Is inflation really beaten or is it? Does inflation go higher because the tariffs and prices and things like that, our interest rates coming down or are they going up?

So the full political.

Impact we won't know. What spooked him yesterday was how the markets were reacting and the experts say, you know, the bond market and so forth. When that filters down to people's house to the household level and they're not sure about what to do. Well, should I buy that house? I can't afford a car. We've got huge tariffs on you know, all imported cars now have twenty five percent tariffs, So those prices are going on. I can't do what I'm doing. Then that will have a political impact. It's choppy times.

It was.

I was in the US for six weeks and came back a couple of weeks ago, and people are just on edge about what's unholding there.

Well, is Donald Trump getting his financial advice from or is he doing it on the run.

It's not doing it on the run. He's been doing this for four decades. If you go back to his speeches in the eighties and so forth, he's been saying the same thing about it. Well, back then, the US was a victim of Japan. Today the US is a victim of China. But the effects are the same. You know, what is happening to the US economy because those powers and how they exercise it is the same. And so the theme is we are not the country we were. We have lost our manufacturing pace. They they're they're ripping us off, They're taking our jobs. Away, taking their investments away. We want to build things in America again. I mean Joe Biden wanted to build things in America again too. Prime Mister Albiniz he wants to build things in Australia again too. But it's a matter of, you know, degree, what can you do to trade with China and also have more investment in Australia. So that's what's uh working through that. But Trump is his own economic advisor. A difference between this term and the first term is the people around him are one hundred percent loyalists.

Now.

In the first term, there were people who said, you can't do that, mister President's too dangerous. That doesn't happen anymore.

Now, Bruce, I've just had a text us. Does Trump have any formal qualifications I economics, politics, law, or business.

He went to Wharton at the University of Pennsylvania. He has been in business. He's been up and down in business. People have varying degrees of his executive ability, CEO abilities and so forth. He's he's not recognized. Let me put it this way, And it was very smart of him yesterday. He watches Fox News all the time, right, So Jamie Diamond the head of JP Morgan goes on Fox News yesterday morning and he says, uh, these tariffs are useful for certain things, but at this moment, we think it's too excessively. Should walk it back a little bit. And that was so this is one of the most powerful and respected business leaders in the country saying that and knowing sensing that Trump would be what you know, is it just a smart move placement? And Trump heard it and that forced him to consider. So he is open to responsible opinion and he can factor it in. But most of the time he believes he's his own best master.

Of the game. So much still to play out. Bruce, thanks so much for your time today.

Thank you, Graham.

That's Bruce Walpy, fellow and author about Donald Trump and the latest twist and turns regarding the tariffs and the impact that's having on the world Texas says Hi Graham. Trump needs to be isolated by all of the strong world economies and they're not so strong. Yeah, that would be interesting and what impact would that have? Would we have to side with China? I think at the moment, let's let China and the US duke it out and the rest of US stand by and see what will happen. Eight double two to three double oh double is the number. If you want to comment on that or anything else that's happening today, give me a call five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings twelve to ten, five double A. On this Friday, April eleven, the last day of the working week, the last day of the school term. You're looking forward to taking a break with the kids. What are you doing? Got any plans? Let's know what you're doing. Eight double two to three double o double oh is the number to ring. Well, let's say prisons are reportedly on the brink of overflowing. Shadow Minister for Correctional Services, Jack Batty says the figures are alarming. He joins me out Jack, good morning.

To you, Good morning Graham.

Just how serious is the situation?

Well, it's very serious and we're calling on the government to urgently outline a plan for prison population and prison capacity. This follows the release yesterday of what I think is fairly shocking new data that shows our prisons could be just months away from reaching capacity. Last month, our prison population peaked at an all time high and we're about one hundred prisoners short of the department's top proved capacity right now.

So based on maximum capacity.

It's three thousand, five hundred and seventy seven and we've got about one hundred to go before we reach that. And it means on current projections and on current capacity, we'll have a short fall of over eight hundred prison beds in five years time. So this is a really sort of impending problem that the government has shown really little interest in dealing with.

Would you like to see happen? Well?

I think we need to see a plan for what's going to happen when the inevitable happens and our prisons are full. So where are labor planning and putting dangerous criminals when the jails are full. I'm sick and tired of seeing dangerous criminals constantly being given bail, or released on suspended sentences or released on parole, often because there's simply nowhere else.

For them to go.

So I think the government should be upfront and tell us what their plans are for capacity over the short to medium term. The former Liberal government funded a business case into a new rehabilitation prison. That report has been gathering dust on the minister's desk while our prison population surges. So I think in light of this new data, the government should release that report so we can have a mature conversation of what our prison capacity is going to look like in the coming years.

I mean, it's a frightening thought to think dangerous criminals could be out on the streets because there's nowhere to put them.

It's terrifying, and I think it needs a little bit more sense of urgency from the government in dealing with it, because at the moment, there is just no plan for where these dangerous criminals would go when the inevitable happens and our prisons are full, when that could be a matter of months away. This isn't happening by accident either. I don't think prisons are full because crime is skyrocketing. We've also got some of the worst criminal court backlogs in the whole country, and the problem with that is that means our prison population is full of a lot of people on remand. And when you're on remand, you're not getting access to any rehabilitation services, but you're also taking up a really valuable prison bed in a system that's already totally overstretched.

If you were in power, would you be looking to build a new prison.

Well, we want to see the business case that was funded by the previous liberal government into doing just that. This is a report that South Australian taxpayers paid for and we deserve to see it, particularly in a lot of this new DA and I think that would allow us to have a mature conversation about whether we need a new prison. But what we will always do as a liberal government empowers have more of a focus on law and order, focus on tackling skyrocketing crime, focus on addressing criminal law backlogs so we don't have thousands of people sitting in prisons on remand, but also importantly focus on our high rates of recidivism. Offenders in custody need to have timely access to rehabilitation and parole services to give them the best chance of reintegration into SARA society and not just keep this endless circle of reoffending.

Should we be looking at alternative ways of treating prisoners, alternatives to incarceration, like electronic monitoring, community service and the light, Well.

We shouldn't be doing that just because our prisons are full. What I'll never abide is a situation where we are seeing people commit crime over and over again, and then being given bail or other diversionary measures ily to go and commit more crime over and over again. And I worry that that's going to happen even more simply because there's nowhere else for these people to go when our prisons are full. But we do need to, of course invest in proper diversionary programs and rehabilitation programs also post parole support to give people the best chance of reintegration and not fill up our prisons.

Do you ask this situation of a prison being on the brink of overflowing unique to south of State or is this a state of wide problem.

I don't know the situation into state, but it's concerning that we've reached our peak here last month. So the eighteenth of March last month, our population in prisons reached hundred and forty six three thousand, four hundred and sixty four, which is just one hundred and thirteen short of that approved capacity. So it's a problem that seems to have crept up on us. While the government has its head and the sand on the issue.

I see the Department is projecting a peak of four three hundred and eighty four prisoners, which is more than eight hundred over the current capacity.

Yeah, that's right. So that's the projection in five years time, a fairly large increase in our prison population up to four thousand, three hundred and eighty four in twenty thirty thirty one. So if we stick with current capacity, that would be about eight hundred and seven more prisoners than our system can currently withhold. So pretty concerning and shows the urgent need for the government to come up with a plan for prison population and capacity.

Jack Batty, thanks for your time, thanks for bringing us up to speed, and we'll wait to hear what the Minister for Corrections has to say about it. Eight double two to three double o double oh. Maria says Trump has given China something to think about. They aren't as cocky as they were six weeks ago when they had three warships in Australian waters and Albo did nothing. Yeah. I don't know if China is cocky. I don't know that. What is it? Indefatigable? Is that the word the term we use for the Chinese. I think they play a pretty cool hand on things. I don't think that there's a knee jerk reaction and I think if it's a blink first situation. I don't know that the Chinese will blink with this trade war, and we'll need that both sides need to be reasonable and get around the negotiating table. The longer they go without doing that, the worse the situation will be. Graham, good morning.

Hey Graham, how are you well?

Thanks?

Can you just talked about bomb vide early on with the forecasting of Ryan et cetera, etc. Yeah, they're also pretty wrong. We have had a warm summ there's no question about that extended summer. But they predicted heat waves. They did, they did this, they never happened. We had and lot had three days over thirty eight, and that was about it. The previous summer day, he said, exactly the same feet and in fact, the previous one was even called we had one day hit forty.

We haven't had a run of days over forty, have we.

We haven't had like one week. We haven't had like you remember, but I think maybe ten years ago we had almost a month where it never dropped below thirty five. Yeah that's heat wave. Yeah yeah, one day over.

Forty is a heatwave?

No, No, I mean they would rationalize it by saying, well, you know that the days on average are higher than normal and the low overnight is higher than normal. But in terms of heat waves, yeah, we haven't had one for.

A while exactly before I just sort of bring that mate, good on.

Your grain, right, thank you, thanks for your call. Yeah that if you just tuned in us on the fact that I was talking about the Bureau of Meteorology forecasting it's going to be a warmer summer than usual and be prepared for that. From May to July. They say daytime temperatures a tip to be warmer than usual across most of the country, with a heightened chances of unusually hot days away from the northern tropics. I said at the time, take it with a grain of salt. Just this summer last gone, the Bureau predicted a sixty to eighty percent chance of above average rainfall across many regions, including South Australia. However, we know what happened in South Australia. We're still waiting for a drop of rain. We've experienced significantly low rainfall in some areas, no rainfall and went into the third year of a drought in some areas. So the Bureau got that horribly wrong. And going back the year before, September twenty twenty three, the Bomb declared an al Nino event typically associated with hotter and drier conditions, and this led many Victorian farmers to sell livestock and anticipation of drought didn't happen, and there were lots of financial losses because a lot of farmers de stocked. So when the Bureau comes to making forecasts other than for the next twenty four hours, I think be very very wary. Good morning, Graham. I would make a suggestion about how Neptune Island's already got a permanent security force white sharks guarantee. But then again, maybe a new prison on Kangaro Island which will cause employment over there. All the best, have a great weekend, go Port Adelaide. Good on you, Gregory says, have a look at Bolivia's prisons. Start spending taxpayers money correctly on the Trump issue. Oh no, not on the footy issue. Love it here at Norwood. Friends from Melbourne and they're going to see foots Graham and Brisbane tomorrow. Great wine here, thanks Gig, Good on you. Sam. I must say that it's great to walk through the streets and see often on a footy weekend you'll see people with port scarves or crow scarves or the teams. You know, you might see two or three different scars, but to see scarves and caps and whatever and regalia of eighteen different teams in the city, it just has a buzz about it. It is really exciting, and you know, the people that come here for the first time say, wow, how good is this? It is a unique event. Was Eddie Maguire. That's likened it to two hour a Super Bowl, And I think that's the sort of effect that it absolutely consumes the city, and the city the size of Adelaide can be consumed by an event of this magnitude, and it's good for all concerned. I'd like to see prisons be a prison, not a holiday camp. Ramp them up and feed them bread and water. Okay, there is nothing untoward placing tariffs on countries of the same value those countries already had in place on the US for years. China were disgruntled with that and counted it. Thank you for that. Eight double two three double O double oh is my number back after the news five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings seven past ten on this Friday morning, I see one of the stars of the Cat's big win at ad laid Over last night. Bailey Smith could been a little bit of hot water. The AFIL is likely to issue Smith with a please explain after he was captured flipping the bird to a van of a fan as he walked down the race after the club's rousing victory over Adelaidh last night. He was a star, He a brilliant player. The Bulldogs must be ruining the day that they lost Bailey Smith, but not called for. I mean, fans are going to call out things that they probably shouldn't call out. But if you are a highly paid player in the AFL that goes with the territory, so to turn around and flip the bird, a double flipping of the bird, he will get a little fine, no doubt, which won't amount to all that much. Few thousand dollars after what Ken Hinckley did, Well, maybe it will be twenty thousand dollars or more. Eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to ring. If you saw what Bailey Smith did, do you think he deserves a fine for that? I'd like to hear your view. Eight double two three double give us a call now well. A wide ranging fifty five million dollar drought support package for South the Standard Farmers was announced recently by the state government, and that package was on top of eighteen million dollars announced in November. It's going towards measures like rebates and infrastructure upgrades and financial counseling and mental health support, as well as assisting charities that transport fodder from interstate. It's all welcome news, if a little late, but I want to focus on the mental health support aspect and joining me in now is rural mental health advocate and facilitator Susie Evans. Susie, good morning to you, Good morning Graham.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's a pleasure.

Now.

There's no question that this ongoing drought has caused financial hardship and mental angst to many many people on the land. Are there challenges unique? I mean a lot of people face mental challenges. What unique challenges do people on the land face?

Yes, thanks Graham, Yeah, absolutely it is and I think rural people are probably the hardest on themselves. They're very much from the old school of tough en up and get on with it and accept it and we can actually learn a lot from the farming community. But when we have the drought impacts like we have at the moment, you know, it's a lot different to how farming was many years ago, and so it raises so many more issues. And I suppose that this funding, why it's welcome the foundation I suppose I'm coming from, is where the fund is going to go? You know, is it going to go to the same agencies and get bottleneck where we are?

Sorry Susan, you just dropped out there for a second. Sorry, where is where does the funding go at the moment?

We don't know. I think they're working through that at the moment where it's going through, but I think a lot of it it's in the agencies and they try and put more people out in the community. But you know, Graham, I've I'm someone who's worked extensively as a metical health fast aid instructor and facilitator educator across South Australia and you know, people need help now today, and so it is while the money is welcome, we really I'm really curious and interested as to where it is going to go. I'm on the ground. We have so for example, where I am. I'm in the Murray Mally and sometimes you know, in the riverland of Murray Maley. You can wait up to eight weeks to get a GP appointment, and that's to get a mental health care plan if you actually need one. So I come from the space of trying to educate people to help themselves a bit and understand what happens to their brain and body connection when they get stressed, and so they've got tools in place that they can help them.

Sorry, Susie, we seem to be losing you there. Are you still there?

Yes, Yes, I'm still here.

Yeah, No, the line is dropping out. Unfortunately, there is the tyranny of distance, isn't there. I mean, if you live in the metropolitan area, you have an access to a great range of GPS and psychologists and the like. In regional areas you don't have the benefit of that.

No, it can be eight weeks. So you can wait eight weeks for a GP and to get a mental health care plan if you need one. And then if you do need one, then you can winte another eight weeks to get to a psychologist. So that's sixteen weeks in total, and in that time you can actually spiral out of you know, you can actually make yourself worse. So if you're only struggling with poor mental health, then you don't have a mental illness. By the time you actually receive the care and the help, you will probably end up with a mental illness because there's no preventative measures. We need to start on the ground it up.

Well, the money is obviously there. What would you like to see happen?

I'd like to see having is programs like my own. I've created a program called work Bench for the Mind, which is accredited with Suicide Prevention Australia, and it's designed to give people the tools to you to give themselves tools to manage their mental health and fitness. I have just successfully implemented a child with the Riverland Secondary School's Alliance and with the Remote and Isolated Children's Exercise RICE and working with isolated mums, and the feedback has been that this is actually this program has actually helped them help them now today, but I can't get the funding to implement it. The ones I've done in schools, schools have actually had to go outside, they've actually had to go to the likes of Rotary and Skill for life to get the funding. So I'd like to see that funding actually hit in our real communities now so that people can access it today where it's needed.

Is there any possibility of getting more mental health professionals into remote and farming areas.

I don't know. I mean it's a cost factor to Graham. You know a lot you know, a lot of gps don't bolt Bill and if they do for the GP, then it's their access to the psychologists. And I know some of the smaller towns or even larger towns only have a visiting psychologist, you know, like once a month or something like that. So I think people just give up. They just think is no point. And I also believe that people need to understand there is a difference between a mental health problem and a mental illness. Like we all have mental health, Like we all have physical health, and just because we're not physically fit doesn't necessarily mean we're disabled. And it's the same with mental health. We've got poor mental health, it doesn't necessarily mean that we've got a mental illness. But if we don't get presentative.

Health helped Susie, we can end up.

Then we can end up with a mental illness.

Now, Yeah, unfortunately you were dropping in and out there, but we got the bulk of what you were saying. Now, tell us about the program that you've instituted, the mental health training in schools. It's being funded outside the education department. Is that sustainable in the long term.

Well, I don't know, but I just don't believe it should be. I mean, I believe that should be offered. I know there is some funding within the schools, and different schools in different communities use different programs. But I'm an instructive with the Mental Health First DAT Australia and the Team peer to peer program is amazing and it's actually teaching students to look out for themselves and others, and in these drought areas, it's not just the farming mum and dad, it's the kids that are suffering from that as well. And I just don't believe that, whether it's me that facilitates it or not, I just don't believe that they can't that the school education schools actually have to go out to local funding. I just think that's crazy. So I'd like to see some of this funding go more through the schools on the grounds or the like the rice like breakthrough mental health and facilitate these programs. I'd like to see those sort of that's where the funding goes, so that they can implement programs like the mental health first aid training and like my workbench in mine and others like that, so that people can get the help now today because that's when they need it. They're struggling, they can't wait another three months or whatever.

And I assume they're the things that you'd be saying if you had the year of government right at the moment.

And I'm trying to be given for that. And again, you know, yes, I believe in my program. The feedback I've had has been wonderful that it actually does help and work, and so why for once it would be nice to have that funding put on the grassroots level so that we can ripple up. You know, research and all that is fantastic and it's amazing, but you know, I grow in our communities it's zero to psychologists. So that's where I'm coming from. There's nothing in between. I'm not a psychologist. I don't claim to be, and those comments and professional advice probably come best from like a doctor Kate Dunn or Steph Schmidt. But for me for what I do. People need that help now while they're waiting to get to that, to get to that psychologist and professional help. We need it now and we need to rip it up to meet the research and to meet the psychologists, wait till it's too bad.

Thanks Susie, you keep up the good work. We had a few problems with the line there, but I'm pretty sure you've got your message across. Mental health advocate and farmer's wife, Susie Evans at seventeen past ten on five double A, five double.

A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Twenty one past ten and five double A on this Friday, the eleventh day of April, the second day of gather around after the forty tonight, I should be a big game at the Adelaide Oval Course. A full weekend of fully coming up and you'll hear all about it here on five double A. Well, it's time for our election news wrap. The Prime Minister has spoken Darwin this morning with a sixty million dollar pledge for age care beds this year, wages for age care workers also rose, with two point six billion dollars earmarked in the latest federal budget to pay for that Albeneazi says these changes are improving the sector and the helping to retain workforce numbers.

When the Caino Office said been an Agecare Royal Commission, the interim report was summed up best in the title neglect.

We had a.

Program of dealing with the immediate issues. Were provided a twenty eight percent in grees in wages of people working in the age care sector. What the Royal Commission found was that unless we address those issues, you simply wouldn't have a workforce.

People were leaving the workforce who.

Were dedicated professionals, dedicated to caring for older Australians, giving them the respect and dignity that they need in their later years.

The PM was also asked about the bomb threat made on Peter Dutton's home.

There's no place whatsoever in politics for any of this, and I have ensured that any time any member of Parliament, regardless of who they are, have asked for support, they have received it.

Meantime, Opposition leader Peter Dutton is speaking at a leadership forum in Perth this morning.

I want to talk today about what I believe is a sliding doors moment for Australia, but for wa in particular. I think you can look at the past three years and you can categorize it in different ways, but what you can't call it is a success for any part of the country. And Chris outlines some of the critique that my opponent regularly provides by way of comment to the media. The reason that he becomes obsessed about me and about our team and his perceptions and what he wants people to believe of me and my character is because there hasn't been a successful period over the course of last three years for many parts of our country.

That's Peter Dutton speaking in Perth and protesters dressed in hazmat suits are rallying against the opposition leader's nuclear plans while he's in town. Energy minist Chris Bowen and would be Energy minist to Ted O'Brien clashed in a debate hosted by Sky News yesterday. The two men sparred over nuclear and renewable costings, power prices, and the sustainability of the coalitionion's domestic gas policy.

You mentioned opposition model Lang whiche I think is our generous term. I mean, this is the document I've seen more detailed menus in a Chinese restaurant in this document.

So it's coming from the minister whose own plan wouldn't fit in a Chinese fortune cookie, if anything, That's probably where it would belong, because your crack it open and all it would be would be a slogan.

It was quite a heated debate between the two politicians, and Ted O'Brien made sure the coalition's message got through.

If you look at the capital cost of a nuclear program under the CSIRO, Chris Barwen and the Labor Party, I'm multiplying that by a factor of five to get to six hundred billion, it is an utter lie. Under our plan it will be up to one hundred and twenty billion dollars, which is consistent with CSIRO.

If Ted is now wrapping himself in the CSIRO, I don't know why mister Dutton and mister little proud less so Ted to be fair have been most improperly.

Ignore numbers.

Ted O'Brien and Chris Bowen at Loggerheads yesterday at the National Press Club. A Liberal Party federal election campaign advertisement blaming Labor for consistently delivering world leading inflation rates has been debunked by experts. Thousands of dollars have been poured into promoting videos that falsely claim inflation under labour has been consistently higher than any major advanced economy, and complaints have also been raised against a Liberal candidate for Benelong, Scott Young, for handing out Easter eggs to students at a primary school in his electorate. Young handed out eggs outside Lane Cove Public School, leading to the school's principal officially raising concerns. And that's what's happening on the campaign trail will keep you abreast of things as the day progresses. Twenty five past ten five A Hi Graham, Trump, love him or hate him, as only doing what every country should be doing, looking after his own country. We've done the opposite in Australia and look where it gottus with electricity, gas, etc. Etc. Not to mention immigration, we could do with a Trump style leader. Here the British is screaming out for help from Trump to save them from Starmer's tyranny. Interesting points you make, Jack, Yeah, he's doing what he thinks is best for his country, But when it comes to tariffs, do you rethink it's what's best for his country? Imposing massive tariffs on who pays for it. Who pays when you put huge tariffs on products. It's the American consumer that pays and the US government that benefits. Because if you're paying tariff, let's pick a figure of just say ten percent one hundred dollars, that's ten dollars that the US consumer has to pay, and that ten dollars goes straight to the government. So the consumers aren't benefiting. So you know, that's the problem with tariff's, and you go slapping them backwards and forwards. And the big game in town, of course, is the battle between the US and China. And no matter which way you look at it, I cannot see China backing down. It is not in their DNA. Andrew says albo Is, saying he can't negotiate tariff whilst in the caretaker period nothing short of a cop out. He knew better than anyone when he was going to call the election, so he needed to be on a plane to the US before that. He's done next to nothing to help negotiate tarot relief for Australia. Good morning, Graham. I would like to see all those prisoners put to good use in a way that would benefit the community instead of sitting around watching TV all day. So it says Len Peter, I cannot read out yours, but thanks for sending it in. Could someone please tell people to stop saying that the Chinese warships were in Australian waters. They were in international waters, freedom to navigate. Yeah, no, that is a fair point, Tony. They were never in Australian waters because there would have been all hell breaking loose if they had. But no, they were in international waters, but very close to our territory. Bill says, hi Gg, how is the price of oil going over the last seven days? When will petrol prices come down? Bill? I don't know when petrol prices will come down, but regarding oil, and I think we go by West Texas Intermediate on April to fourth, petrol or oil closed at sixty two thirty two a barrel move forward to April ten fell by one zero four percent to sixty one dollars seventy per barrel. So that's what it is at the moment. It's dropped marginally by one percent. What impact that'll have on petrol will obviously take some time. My number if you want to call eight double two three double O double Oh we're going to talk to the father of a famous ex Patsarthur strad and footballer who's really looking forward to one of the games. Gather around in fact, that at Norwood Oval, and we're going to take a more in depth look at the energy debate yesterday with Victorian Policy Center Director Professor Bruce Martin.

That's all still to come. Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Twenty eight to eleven five Double A good morning. Thanks for joining us. If it's the first time for you, welcome aboard. Be a contributor. Love to hear from you. See Australia Post is thinking of putting up the price of stamps. Do you still use snail mail? Is anyone out there that does? Australia Post is proposing an increase of a dollar fifty to a dollar seventy to send a letter. Won't impact too many people. Evidently less than three percent of letters being sent by consumers. The rest is going out by your service instrumentalities and businesses and the like. Australia Post letter volumes have declined by ten and a half percent since July last year. That's cost them eighty three point seven million dollars to their letter service, so expect an increase. Do you post letters? In fact, they're suggesting that people on average post five or six letters a year. Do you still post? Do you still use it? Would you miss the service? And would an impost an extra cost of posting a letter from a dollar fifty to a dollar seventy make you change your mind? Tell me now?

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Coulday Tomay Graham the actual visit for their prime minister to day one? Did you follow the whole lot?

No?

Heaven, I must admit no. What can you tell me?

Well, I didn't follow it, but I just just when you played that part there because there was a brief bit of discuss about one of the parties I'm not sure it was labeled live was saying they may try to overturn the lease of the Darwen Wharf. Now, to me, if he's in Darwin, then he had a pair he would actually said there's one hundred percent commitment that lease will no longer be valid. It will be torn up if we get back in a power.

Yeah, I don't believe he said that.

No, I don't believe he will either, because I don't believe he's got any Cahunas. But then again, I don't believe the other stide is either. I mean, this is something very very serious. It should never have happened. At the end of the day, that would at the risk of staying like one of the other cause somebody like Trump would say, that's it, we'll over red Rover. You know, we're tearing it up.

Yeah, I mean, how did it happen in the first place, That's the thing that you know, how could we sell off a prime tactical location to potentially our biggest adversary. I don't get it well.

And also, at end of the day, the local politicians who signed off of this in the territory, why are they behind bars? Well, I'm serious because to me it's treason. To me, it's treason, clear and cut. But evidently I've still got contacts. I lived there for thirty years, I still got contact And evidently even that the idea for at the time, and you know, they actually sort of didn't put up much resistance to it. I mean, I don't understand what the hell was going on at that time, but evidently that nobody else put a bid in I'm sorry to bid in to do it, including the government at the time, you know, and just let it here into Chinese hands. Something's not right here. But the end of the day, if the problem is that did not say anything about it, then you can bet I bet that nothing's going to be done about Yeah.

Well now, thanks for that, Tom. He has said previously to his visit to Darwin that he pledged to regain control of the port, as has the opposition said that, but they've gone to negotiate with private investors. I think it's a company called Landbridge Group. It's not specific specifically saying we will reclaim the Port of Darwin. They're going into deep negotiations. Both sides have said that it would be surprising if the Prime Minister while he's in Darwin didn't say something about the Port of Darwin, so we'll keep an eye on that. Good on you, Tom, thanks for bringing that to our attention. Households and the poorest art of suburban electorates, particularly in the seat of Spence, are among the biggest beneficiaries of the Alban Ezy government's social welfare and tax reforms during its first term. To tell us more about it, Ben Phillips, Associate Professor of A and U Professor, Good morning to you.

Good morning.

Tell us more about this research.

Yeah, so we've looked at the measures of the albert and Easy governments through the first term, so between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty five, and we've looked at their major personal income tax and welfare measures, and we've looked at how those how those changes in fact different ecrits around Australia, and certainly there's a couple that do pretty well in and around Adelaide and South Australia. So Spence is actually ranks number one in terms of the average household gain for about thirteen hundred and sixty dollars per household per year. It's mainly due to the tax cut changes and also some welfare reforms that they've increased some of the payments like Great Assistance and in the pairing payment job seeker payment.

What prompted you to do this research because it seems like a great campaign point for the Labor Party.

It's probably used to be honest, So look, it's something we do every year. So I've done basically exactly the same analysis every single year for every single government. Watch it whichever stripes or color is in charge. So look, we've got a model that does these sorts of things, that looks at looks at taxes and welfare payments in Australia and sort of can work out who wins and who loses from these policies. So it's something we just do really as a standard thing each year. And in this particular year we've looked at the overall alban Easy government because the end of their term, so we thought it was worth while looking at the overall picture. And there wasn't a lot in the most recent budget, so there wasn't a lot of changes, so that wasn't particularly interesting, but the overall position was interesting, so we thought we'd look at that. So yeah, it's the standard thing we do each year.

So it's nominating and naming the biggest and smallest beneficiaries. It's not really suggesting that people are better off than they were numerous a number of years ago.

No, it's really just looking at the taxes in the changes in taxes and welfare policy, so there could be other things in their life, like their wages mightn't be as strong as what they were a couple of years ago. So it's not necessarily saying that you're better off overall, but it's something just with regards to the actual government policy. It does say that most households are better off as a result of the changes of this government.

Well, what about at the other end of the scale. You mentioned that the poorer suburbs, what about the wealthier electorates.

Yeah, so certainly not in Adelaide or rest of South Australia. There's none of Thore's only about fourteen electorates that are worse off, and that's very much centered around inner city Sydney and Melbourne, so areas like Waaringa, Wentworth, not Sydney Brackfield, so all the sort of central suburbs or central electorates of Sydney, and then they're mostly tel electorates. At the moment, I think six out of the seven electorates that were worse off and now were behind by relative to their incomes. Not a lot, but I think Waringa was at the very bottom. They're worse off by nine hundred and seventy dollars a year, but quite a high income area in US because they're Stage two. Tax cuts were changed, so the previous government had a set of tax changes that were more beneficial to very high incomes, and the old and easy government sort of spread those tax cuts a little more evenly across the income distribution, not as much for high income and a little more for low income.

While the research results are interesting, is there anything that positively can be done with them?

Look, I just think I mean probably the look. I think what's probably interesting is that we've obviously had a lot of interesting the last couple of years of our cost of living pressures and for more. And it does show that the government, in terms of where they've tweaked policy, they have tended to tweak policy in a way that would help family that probably are those that are most likely to be struggling to cost pressures, and that's those sort of in the outer suburban areas and those who are our incomes. So from that regard, I think you've probably got to give the government a tick. In that regard, obviously people may argue it wasn't enough for they shouldn't have done it, they should have could have done it in a different way. And we're not the work. He is not really to talk about whether it's beautiful policy change, whether it's perfect policy. It's just looking really at the financial impact.

So from that perspective.

I think probably a bit of a small tick has to go to.

The government for that, professor, thanks for sharing your facts and figures with us. That's a new associate, Professor, Ben Phillips. The poorest urban fringe electorates gaining most from Labour's first term tax and number one on the list was the seat of Spence. Here in South Australia, it's twenty two eleven five A Andrews says, agree with Tim. If our government had some guts, they would have taken back the Darwin Port from China, just as Trump did with the Panama Canal. We need stronger leadership here in Australia. Yeah, look at it surprises me that if the Prime Minister is in Darwin that he doesn't make an announcement, because wherever the Prime Minister goes, wherever the opposition leader goes, they make an announcement to the benefit or something that will impact where they are. So to go there and ignore. Although both the Government and the Opposition have stated already that they want to reclaim the Port of Darwin for Australia, take it out of Chinese hands, it would seem rather an oversight to actually go all the way to Darwin and make some announcements, which the Prime Minister has done but has not mentioned the port of Darwin. I think he really needs to come clean and say exactly what he intends to do. Graham. If the contract is long term, like they did with the ETZA, that means we have to wait for ninety nine years to get the port back in Darwin. Don't know if that's the case. Nick, I know what you're saying. You can just say no, sorry, this is our country. You just draft legislation in Parliament saying we will not allow the ownership foreign ownership of Australian ports. End of story. It can be done. Mail must always exist because some people aren't on the internet and don't have email, and how would they deliver summons as for jury duty by courier? Okay, God only thank you for that. Jury duty is an interesting thing if you ever been called up for jury duty. Why I mentioned it as my daughter has been serving on a jury over the past week or so and enjoying it. Not that she is revealed as you're not allowed to what it's all been about. But have you been I know people have gone through their lives and never ever been called for jury duty and other people who three or four times throughout their life have been called for jury duty. I don't know if it should be just a purely rotational basis. How is it that some people miss out altogether? If you're not probably on an electoral role, you might not get called up. But interesting to find that have you been someone for jury duty? How do we get onto that? Oh we're talking about mail. Yeah, look, I think kay that post snail mail will exist for some time yet, because yes, a lot of people are not on the Internet, not OA with email and the like, so mail must go through the postman always delivers at a dollar seventy a pop. Though that's getting expensive, isn't it. Do you still send out Christmas cards? A lot of people do. In fact, Danne says, I use snail mail for birthday and Christmas cards. So much nicer than text messages. Yeah, text messages and I would agree pretty sterile, aren't they. Let's take a call Mark, Good morning.

Morning Graham?

How awa mate?

Well? Thanks?

Hey?

The Prime Minister who's in Darwen did talk about the Port of Darwin and the lease and the fact that the government's trying to buy it back. And they're talking to private industry. And number of journalists asked him if when this would happen by and he is the anecdote of selling a house. He said, you don't put a time frame. Of course, you don't want the government to sound like you're in a man of Russia's going to be a fire sale. But yes, he's talked about a number of times. It was asked a number of times and that's how he responded.

Good on your thanks for that, Mark, I appreciate that. Great bring us up to speed. We're getting a lot of information through, but nothing so far as talked about the Port of Darwin. No doubt it will come through as the day progresses. But it would have surprised me if the Prime Minister had gone as far as Darwin and not mentioned the Port of Darwin, because that is declared policy of both the major political parties. They've pledged to regain control of the port citing national security. Well, surprise, surprise, Why in the hell do we ever allowed to get out of Australian hands? But are they going to have to pay big money to get it back? What is the situation? Can't they just pass an Act of Parliament a decree and pay, you know, as they governments can acquire land. When you're building a freeway or a highway or whatever. You can say, look, we're just having to take this over and a price on it market price. There you go off, you go, Gregil, you don't need stamps anymore, nobody checks them, trust me, I'm ex post sue. Is that right? Is that right? So if you put you saying that if you put a letter without a stamp in the mail, it would get through? Is that right? Is that the fair thing to do? We must look into that eight double two three double double o. Gg Dutton has pumped a lot of petrol this week and keeps telling us excise will go down and petrol will go down twenty five cents Poleita. But where were the garage oners standing next to him saying yes, nowhere? No one? So is he telling us stories? Wouldn't you get them to agree and back you up? Never happened? June June? You cynic? You cynic? I would suggest that free market forces. I regularly get petrol along Port Road, and I get it there always because it's always cheaper than elsewhere. If there is twenty five cents poleita taken off by excise. I will guarantee you that one service station, one survey will pass it on, then another, then then another. They don't act into cahots. They shouldn't act in cahoots. But I would believe the excise would be passed on and it would be a big saving. Not so much when I've heard people say, oh, it won't do me any good. I haven't got a car. But fuel excise is paid on everything, you know, the farmer on his tractor, the trucks delivering to the farmer, the trucks delivering milk, picking up foods, packets of corn flex. Everything relies on transport, which relies on fuel, and we pay for that time and time again. So an excise cut of twenty five cents eliter. The opposition is proposing for twelve months, but I think it should be permanent. Then it might be incentive, but it would have an impact on the economy, would drag prices done? All being well, my number eight double two three double O double oh back in a moment, five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings, Good morning, welcome to Gatheran City. It's all happening after the big night the big launch Adelaide Oval was sensational last night. It looked great. Got to admit I didn't go because I, as you might have detected a bit of a croaky throat. I thought it might be risky to go along and start shouting, which I would have done, so I stayed at home and watched it on the telly. But it looked at absolute treat, jam packed crowd, fifty plus thousand, the laser show. It was just the greatest advertisement for Ossie Rules football and the game on the Oval. Well that was a great advertisement too, up until about half time. Then it sort of turned sour. Not if you're a Gelong supporter, of course, and there are a lot of impartial supporters in the crowd. It was great to see a real mix of people, supporters from all teams. The result wasn't what I'd liked, but heck, the game's bigger than that and the foot He continues over the next three days at Adelaide Oval, at game tonight, Norwood Oval and in the Barossa. Exciting times and it's a mecca for football at the moment. At eighteen teams, all the footballers, the greatest footballers in the land, in our fair city and one of the best footballers essays ever produced is Brisbane champion Locke Neil, Juel Browno medlist, Premiership captain, you name it. He'll be out on Nordover tomorrow in the match against Western Bulldogs, and a proud dad will be in the crowd, Robbie. Neil who joins me, Robbie, good morning to you.

Good morning, Graham.

How are you going good? Thanks? I hear you heading up from the southeast for the big game.

Yep.

We'll head off the next sort of a couple of hours and get up there tonight.

Enjoy.

We're staying down at glenelgso will enjoy a nice warm evening down there and then look forward to the game tomorrow.

Graham. Now I've got to say, Robbie, how do we lose Lockie? Why didn't either the Crows or Port pick him up? Went? What went wrong?

Yeah, it's a good question. I don't often get asked that we did early days, but casting back to when he was drafted, there was a few clubs that had spoken to him Adelaide. I remember the late now Matt Rendell interviewed him at Adelaide and Matt was really trying to get him, but he wasn't agreed to by the rest of the club and Port didn't talk to him, and he was a Port supporter growing up. So I think when all that was found out after he started to make his mark, I think probably Adelaide and Port would have loved to have kept him there. But look, that's the nature of the draft system. They can go anywhere in the country and at that stage it was Fremantle that he added to.

Yeah, he went over to Fremantle, had a good career there and then moved on to Brisbane. There's another opportunity missed. That has been a success story, hasn't it. I mean, you know, it's been a long time coming, but the premiership last year and they looked pretty pretty good again this year.

Yeah, it was obviously a tough decision after seven years at Fremantle, but he certainly felt there was something brewing at Brisbane and the year in twenty eighteen he was traded at the end of that year after he requested a trade to Brisbane and they only won five games that year. Run about like he saw something that was building. He could see that perhaps this was a side that was on the Rise, and he certainly picked it because since his arrival and along with some other talent that came in Brisbane, all of a sudden became a destination club. And from the year he went there in his first year of two thousand nineteen, they've played finals every year and culminated in the Altomn success last year, which was it was a pretty special moment.

Now, answer me this. They always talk about, you know, you need big body Midfielder's got to have a big body midfielder. Let's be honest. Lockie isn't all that big, is he? How tall is he?

No, he's probably probably stretches it about one seventy five.

So he hasn't stopped him in the.

Old language about five foot ten.

Yeah, no, he certainly.

I mean as he matured, he's sort of got a strong call. But look, you know they do talk about strong bodied midfielders, but then you look at I look at Summer. I don't think it's quite right. I think there's everyone's built differently. That's the great thing about our game is that it's built for all shapes and sizes, and you know, probably for the South Australians. I look at us Connor Rosy at Port Adelaide. He's pretty slightly frame but an absolute gun player.

Yeah, look and luck he's been a treat on two brown Land medals. He could win a third. I mean he's that resilient, he's that tough, and he's in a side where you know they know that he get him the ball and he'll do the right thing by it. So you'll we go out there. You've got many family members going along.

We're just yeah, just immediate family and another close family friends that are coming.

With us to the nord Oval.

Can't put as many in there, Graham, but it's it's a it's a great it's a great specter because you're so close. So in other words, I guess you know we won't be It mon't be fifty and a lot there was there last night nord Over. Not sure, maybe ten, but to be for those that are there, to be that close to the action as gives you another dynamic dimension of the game.

Well, that bring back memories. For Locke was a Glenol player. What do you have played at Norwood before.

He did?

He did, coming up through Glenelg through the sixties, eighteens and then handful of league games before being drafted, so he absolutely loves getting back to Adelaide. All his schoolmates from Saint Peter's College are always keen to catch up with him. But yeah, it does bring that memories he often talks about, you know, the fondness of the s anfl and those suburban grounds and the parade sort of. I know there's something special about the Prey I think. And yeah, so you know wrap that they get to play there again.

Yeah, well it should be a good game against the Police too.

I will be there, very contested side of the Bulldogs, so on that sort of bit smaller ground with not the wings aren't as wide, so it'll make for a fairly hotly contested ball in pretty it'll be pretty warm, I think, Graham, so it might be last man standing.

We're looking forward to it, Robbie. Great to have a chat and locking on for us.

Thanks for having on.

Cheers Graham, Robbie Neil, father of Locke Neil, the one that got away. Jule Brown a Medler's Premiership captain, still a wonderful want to player, a lot of football left in him and he'll be just one of the footballers on display over this weekend. What has it work out twenty three players per team? Eighteen teams? Yeah? What have we got? Six hundred or so players in town at the moment? Quite amazing, Sam says GG. Please call the Bulldog's Foots Gray. You make the Bulldogs members happy that are here, they listen to you on radio. I'm happy to call it. They should be called Foots Gray as an old Melbourne boy, not that I was a Bully supporter, but yeah, Western Bulldogs sort of lost the lost the flavor, hasn't it. I mean Foots Gray. Happy to call him Foots Gray, although if their official name is Western Bulldogs, but I'll try to remember that. If I mentioned the game again, Brisbane versus Footscray, I'll say Brisbane versus Footscray. Happy with that. Does Graham have any feedback as to who won the energy debate between Chris Bowon and Ted O'Brien. My money would be on Ted, as he knows what he is talking about, so says Steve. Steve. I watched the debate. I have preconceived ideas about Chris Bowen. I think Ted O'Brien handled himself very well. There are contentious issues regarding nuclear and maybe the opposition has spelled out, has not spelled out enough. But I think there are quite a few holes in Chris Bowen's story. But that is my opinion. I don't know whether there was no objective or uncommitted group of people to vote on the outcome of it. But if you saw the energy debate yesterday, you watched it from the National Press Club, give us a call and tell us what you thought of it. Eight double two three double double.

Oh.

In fact, are we going to break down the energy debate yesterday? We'll have Victorian Energy Policy Center Director Professor Bruce Martin to talk about it. That's coming up after the News.

Five A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Six past eleven. Good morning to you on this Friday. Gather around, good Friday. It's a good Friday. We have good Friday coming up soon. Do we lots lots of breaks coming up? School holiday break starts today, and then we have Easter, then we have Anzac Day, and then we go into the depths of winter and no long weekends. Andrews says, Albou is just falling short of forcing people to buy evs like the Democrats did in the US. They were voted out people don't want to be told what type of car they can buy. Bill says, how are the TV ratings for the footy last night?

Look?

I don't know, Bill, I haven't seen as yet. I don't know if they've come out for the day. I would assume they'd be pretty good. It would be interesting to see how Channel seven raided up against Fox because they go head to head, Nana they But it would be good because what a great advertisement it was for South Australia, for Adelaide Oval and for gather around. Having watched it on TV myself, it was a wonderful, wonderful spectacle. If you have a view on it, did you think it was done well? Could it have been done better? Let me know a double two to three double?

Oh?

Of course the downside was a result, but we won't go there. The National Press Club yesterday hosted a debate between Energy Minister Chris Bowen and Shadow Minister Ted O'Brien, presenting starkly different visions for Australia's energy future. Thought we might get a view on it from the Victorian Energy Policy Center Director, Professor Bruce Mountin, who joins me in our professor, good morning to you, Hi, Hi, Hello. Both sides have divergent views on a future energy needs. How did you see it?

Yeah, so, Chris Bowen for the government essentially says, thick with the plan they've got now. He says it's going to plan and so they should stick with it. And he says they take advice from the experts and they know the right answer. Ted O'Brien for the opposition said he wants to see more gas in the system as something of a transition fuel. He wants to expand wind and solar and storage, but not as much as the government wants, and alternative forms of energy will be a bigger part of the energy mix in the future as far as he's concerned. He also expressed dissatisfaction with the expertise of the experts that Bowen claims, so those are the essential pitches, and then it descended somewhat into bickering over aspects it.

Certainly then it's sort of like your experts versus my experts, and the poor ol voter is left to wonder what the right answer is.

Yes, exactly exactly, both of them claiming that their experts know and they are seeking the expertise. So there was they you know there was an attempt to deal with the detail to some degree, but quite quickly they they failed to grasp the detail I think with the with the precision necessary, and as so often happens in that circumstance, they then defer to others whose views they like and claim that they are the experts and that they are.

Following their views to the outside of There seem to be chinks in both sides. For a start, Chris Bound defending the commitment to achieve eighty two percent renewable energy by twenty thirty, they're a long way from that at the moment. And on the other side, the nuclear story, we're not getting the full detail and we still don't know exactly what that will be costing.

Yes, I think that's quite right. For the nuclear I think the opposition realize, after having had it on the table for some time that it's not straightforward.

You can build nuclear, but.

Costs are not certain. We don't have the existing expertise and systems for it, and it's going to take time. I think they've realized that, but they don't want to play it up too much, having previously kind of put a lot of weight on it. At least in the public's mind. I think, you know, it's fair to say that they didn't ever say it the large part of the energy mix for the government. I think Chris Bowen is just ingenuous in claims that it's all going to plan and they'll meet targets. That's not the case at all. It's lagging very far behind. I think he's underplayed the many.

Problems that have arisen.

And I was quite worried about the the gung ho claims that were made without actually showing any learning from the substantive problem that on our.

Clear did either Chris Bowen or Ted Obrian suggests that they could guarantee power prices coming down under their plan.

Both try to steer clear of a definitive view of what will happen or claim of what will happen on prices, both knowing full well that such a strategy, which has been employed in past grants, just comes to note because you can't forecast these things accurately. But they both had claims that their policy would bring cheaper prices than otherwise would be the case, and that's what they both claimed, and then there was bickering in arguments over the basis of those claims on both sides.

As an energy expert, which direction should we head?

I think neither of the two main parties have set out I think applausible strategy. Yet I give the opposition credit for recognizing the difficulty far more explicitly than the government has. I think undoubtedly clean energy can produce better and cheaper outcomes, but it's subject to many uncertainties. I think grand claims and grand targets are just a waste of time on both sides. We need to do the things that we can practically do now, and I think we need to be far more candid and honest with the size of the problem, and we need to put customers first, not just in retric So I'm afraid I can't give credit to either of them strongly on that. I do give credit to the opposition for being far more you know, far more sensitive to the to the enormous task that lies ahead. But I don't think that they've worked out a clear strategy to solve the problem. Perhaps such a strategy can't be worked out and be worthwhile saying that. I understand that their job to the voters is to be confidence and tell them that they've got the answer that perhaps voters concede through this and say, well, actually, no one's really got the answer, and we need to put in place processes to learn and we'll judge you on your scope of doing that, And on that basis, I don't think either of them have done terribly well.

The Opposition have spelled out how they see gas playing a role well into the future. It seems the government is also conceding that gas has got a role to play. How long will gas be a major component or a significant component to our future energy supplies.

I think gas will be a very important peaking fuel as it is now bringing on those gas generators that operate relatively short periods of time in the peak of winter or the peak of summer, and without those lights would go out and prices would be even higher, although prices are usually very high when the gas generators come on. I think that role will gradually decline in time, although it'll be heavily affected by cold generation closure. Neither the government nor the opposition rarely are envisaging a big role for gas as a baseload fuel, which I think everyone thought would be the case twenty years ago. But I think both recognize gas is so important to keeping the clist and I think that will carry on being the case, although batteries will increaseingly take market share from it. But neither have a plausible policy yet or set of details on a policy yet to make guests available in the quantities and prices that will bring electricity and gas prices down.

Did either of them give you confidence in the future guarantee of Australia's energy supplies.

No, I was quite disappointed. Neither of them seem, most notably mister Bowen, humbled by the enormity of the task. Usually when people have grasped the difficulty of the problems they're dealing with, they they're quite humbled by them. And I just didn't get a sense of that, and that kind of worries me. I think, you know, the level of confidence express is not in proportion to the upcomes achieved so far and the challenges that lie ahead. We desperately need policy that is actually going to illustrate or not illustrate, but will show that government can learn and can adjust this is the nature of it, and or we just haven't seen that.

I think.

I think the opposition has been grappling with it, but as is evident in the detailed debates that have followed on quite a large amount of the important detail. I don't think they've got it worked out yet.

Bruce, Thank you so much for your insight today. That's Professor Bruce Mountain, director of the Victorian Energy Policy Center. Does that give you cause for positivity about our energy supplies for the future. It certainly doesn't me. I must say, I'm very very concerned. No matter which way you lean, which policies you think best, going renewables all the way or renewables combined with nuclear, there doesn't seem to be a policy spelled out that you can say twenty five years from now we have guaranteed power supplies. I'd like to know your thoughts. Eight double two three double doublow that comes out of the latest debate. It was the debate yesterday afternoon at the National Press Club between the Energy Minister Chris Bowen and his likely alternative, Ted O'Brien. Andrews is Ted O'Brien smashed it, Godea. Thanks for that to Andrew totally says. If I sent ten letters a week, that's seventeen bucks, a lot cheaper than owning a computer and internet access and I keep my sanity. Good on your tourney back shortly five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings, Good morning, welcome to Adelaide. If you've just arrived in town, or if you've been here for the last couple of days, here for gather around and enjoying it. I certainly hope you are. If you want to give us a call, have a chat, tell us what you're thinking, who you support, are they going to win? And if you're a gelongs of what a please don't ring and gloat your team was too good last night. I must concede that the first half I thought we're on here, we're on, We're playing beautiful footing, which we were. But I must come in Chris Scott. Chris Scott has got to be the best coach in the league, doesn't he seen it happen time and time again where Geelong get off to a sluggish start, the opposition team is all over them and by the end of the game Geelong get up. I mean, their success rate is quite remarkable. We always sort of say, oh, they've got the advantage of playing at Condinia Park. Well, that is true. But was Adelaide over last night and they were just too good for Adelaide much and all. So anyway, if other than Gelong supporters bring up and say, how are you enjoying gather around? John says Graham. Energy in the form of wind and solar is a proven disaster. Just ask the Germans. Addie Patterson, former CEO of Australian Nuclear Science Org, is very clear that nuclear can be built in six to eight years and dramatically reduces energy bills. The CSIRO report claiming nuclear is no good even though they are four hundred and ninety three plants worldwide has been discredited as politically motivated. Petty Cole has been shelved and the nonsensical belief it's bad even though the opposite is true. Why is the public so easily duped? Put on your John, Thanks for that, Steve says. My understanding is Labor have backflipped from one hundred percent renewables and are now promoting gas or am I mistaken? Yeah, Well, we have conceded that gas is going to play a role because renewables aren't going to do it, and they talk about batteries and I discussed the matter with the Prime Minister. It was very keen to say how the role batteries could play. But I don't even think the Prime Minister was aware that how little batteries can do intermittent They can fill in for a minute here or there. But as I pointed out with the Hornsdale battery, if Hornsdale was up and running and Adelaide had a total blackout, the battery would keep the lights on an Adelaide for eight minutes. Hardly back up. But anyway, our news election rap and a major IVF provider is being put under a microscopy or microscopic pressure. Incredible story after a Queensland mother unknowingly gave birth to another woman's baby. Federal Minister for Social Service as Amanda Rishworth says, it's shaken the confidence of many families.

You put so much trust in these companies and so I understand there is the conducting and independent review. Obviously SATs and territories regulate that I think they need to set if their regulations are up to scratch.

There would be so many people undergoing IVF treatment at the moment or have had babies through IVF. Now wondering is the baby that I gave birth to actually mine or will there be a knock on the door some time down the future saying that baby that you have is biologically the child of another set of parents. Scary, horrifying stuff and let's hope this is the solo case. Well, I do feel for both sets of parents, because out of this there will be no winners. The Nationals Party is aiming on capturing more minds in this election, pledging to hunt down more seats. Leader David littlprand sat down for an interview with Sky News.

Yeah, we don't take anything for granted, but I think what I did when I became later was to have a reset and to have generational change and made sure that the first thing I did was to a regional tour and particularly listening to women. We lost a lot of women at the last selection and we have to be relevant to them while also staying true to the values of what's important to region Australia and they're intertwined and so what we've done has been able to come forward with cogent policies, but we've also led, I think, over the last three years and set the national agenda more than the other political party who were the first to come out against the voice. We made very clear that we were going to pursue a nuclear energy and Peters come with us on that, divestiture powers and even sensible vating policies. I mean, it was the Nationals that have set the national agenda for three years and I'm proud of that. I'm proud of the team that has had the courage to stand up and do that, and I think that's made us more relevant than we were.

Three years ago. The Prime Minister spoken Darwin this morning with a sixty million dollar pledge for age care beds this year. Wages for age care workers also rose, with two point six billion earmarked in the latest federal budget to pay for that. The Prime Minister says that these changes are improving the sector and helping to retain workforce numbers.

Well, the came to office, there'd been an Age Care Royal Commission. The interim report was summed up best in the title neglect. We had a program of dealing with the immediate issues. Were provided a twenty eight percent increase in wages of people working in the age care sector. What the Royal Commission found was that unless we address those issues, you simply wouldn't have a workforce.

People were leaving the.

Workforce who were dedicated professionals, dedicated to caring for older Australians, giving them the respect and dignity that they need in their lady years.

That's the Prime Minister speaking in Darwin this morning. We were talking just a little earlier about the debate on energy yesterday and Chris Bowen had a clash with Sky's Chris Allman after the debate when the journalists were asking questions.

Now, our interesting crisis arising, aren't theymouister? And if you can't admit that simple fact here today, why should anyone believe anything that you say?

Well, thanks very much for the question, Chris. I'm not exactly sure what your question is really in reality, you've got strong views about it.

Sorry, you are our electricity prices going back, Chris, press you up, Damns.

I didn't interrupt it. I didn't interrupt a question. Do I get to answer? Do I get to answer it?

Thank you.

You've got strong views about these matters, which you express on Sky News in the evenings, and that's your right. I disagree with the way that you look at these matters. I disagree with the approach.

That you take.

Respectfully, I think that renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy. You disagree with me, you disagree with the CSIRO, You're perfectly in total of that point of view. I have said out at the outset in my opening remarks, energy prices are higher than I like them to be. Of course they are. I think everyone would say.

That that's Chris Bowen clashing with the Sky's Chris Allman. It's twenty seven past eleven five double A. We've been talking about the situation with the Port of Arwen this morning and whether the Australian government can just move in and take over. Well, apparently we can. Both the Opposition and the Government have suggested that they want the Port of Darwen back and Australian hands. The acting Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, in Gerald Mayley, says the government has left Territorians in limbo on their plans for the Port of Darwin and in Darwin today, the Prime Minister said the Government is prepared to use compulsory acquisition powers to get the Port of Darwin back in Australian hands, but that there are interested parties the Government is negotiating with to buy it. Now, do they need to buy it. That is an interesting question. They don't need to under the legislation. The government possesses the legal authority to reclaim the Port of Darwin. It's currently under a ninety nine year lease to the Chinese own land Bridge Group. How that possibly could have ever happened? But it wasn't the Federal government that initiated it. It was the Darwin government at the time. They've certainly got a lot to answer for. But as I've said, both the government, Federal government and the Opposition have said they will reclaim the Port of Darwin one way or the back. Shortly five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. So what do we think Bailey Smith's penalty should be for flipping the double bird at a fan at Adelaide Oval last night? Was it just about a year ago that Ken Hinckley just flapped his arms twenty thousand dollars fine Bailey Smith I reckon twenty thousand dollars seems a fair amount for flipping the bird. What are your thoughts? Eight double two to three double o double the number. Well, it's been revealed Opposition leader Peter Dutton was allegedly the target of a terrorist plot. Tim Leicster from seven News is in way with the opposition leader at the moment. Tim, good morning. What can you tell us?

Well, we know, Graham, that police made an arrest in August last year and has since alleged that the sixteen year old private schoolboy in Brisbane was constructing a bomb during the months of June July, oil May through July with the intent they say, of exploding it at Peter Dutton's home. So, if you like, he's accused of planning a terrorist plot using a bomb against the opposition leader. Obviously I didn't go anywhere. His name is still suppressed.

The court.

Is not allowing that to go out and didn't allow details of the incident to go out for some month. But we now know it occurred. Mister dut commented on it about an hour ago for the first time in one sentence, simply saying I'm glad, sheerily, his wife and my kids are all safe and then move right on. So as much as we know, but from what we do know is a deeply worrying, deeply worrying case, at least as it's been outlined by police.

So would appear at the stage he was acting alone there was no one else involved, at.

Least on what we know from the court. Yes, great deal. We don't know, but from what we know from the court it appears he was alone actor making an attempt on the life of the opposition leader.

Thanks Tim. Now you're in Perth with the opposition leader. What's he doing there today?

Well, Graham, it's a bit of a rhythm this campaign. Now he's had an industrial site, we've all and he's got plaid in high us equipment, glasses and the works. I think he's actually without glasses. But the visits that Peter Dutton likes to do are very often to these industrial sites where he can talk about the importance of cheaper electricity for the industrial sector so that all of our goods and everything they produce can be that much cheaper. And he's making the point that he planned reductions would deliver potentially a fifteen percent saving the businesses like this one so very much. The way he does it, the downside of it is it's not getting out and meeting the people, so he's not doing the riskier thing of walking shopping centers where he of course could could be criticized more openly or you know, no doubt his security have a say on that as well. But yeah, in another industrial site.

What's the mood in the opposition at the moment. I mean the polls have been trending towards labor. At the debate Prime Minister albineas he was voted the winner. So how's his mood?

I think it dipped a couple of days ago when the Opposition had to make the reversal on a couple of peace policies, particularly the work at home for public servant policy they had to reverse, and the claim that they were going to sack a number of public servants to get the public service down to forty one thousand fewer people. They've reversed both of those because I think they're polling and their focus groups told them that Australians was deeply worried about them. So his move then was a bit low. I think it's a bit higher now. He looks self assured. He's speaking, you know, with an assurance, meeting people and looks pretty comfortable and pretty happy in what he's doing, which is I think another reason why it's a bit of a shame. He isn't a bit more out pressing the flesh with ordinary Australians in the places where they go, the cafes and the shops and elsewhere.

Good on your Tim, Thanks for the update, appreciate it. That's Tim Leisler, seven News political correspondent on the campaign trail with Peter Dutton. It's now twenty three minutes to twelve on FIVEAA. Andrew says, didn't the state Victorian labor or the State Victoria labor government ban gas on new house bills? Now federal labor? What it shame on labor trying to force people to use other energy with no choice. It's now blowing up in their face. Well, Victoria is a disaster area, there's no question about that. Yes, they did a ban gas on new bills in Victoria. I don't know whether that's being reversed going to be reversed, but that was the plan. Cley Graham. Apparently Australian gas reserves are predicted to be exhausted by twenty thirty five. I don't think that's true. I think the current reserves are due to last until twenty fifty and that's if we just use the known reserves. If we find or discover more reserves, then it will go on beyond that, but I believe we do have gas until twenty fifty. At this stage, let's take a call Jeff, good morning.

Hi.

Listening to mister Bowen, I don't think he steals much courage in people the way he speaks, and I don't think a lot of people actually would have muchmpathy for him when he says that he doesn't believe us when our electricity prices are going higher. It makes perfect sense for a household to have a solar panel and a battery. It makes absolutely no sense for the grid scale to start putting out solar panels and batteries. Just to scale alone requires deforesting, getting rid of infrastructure, getting rid of the areas where you know we can use for farmland. It's just atrocious. We could just put it on our roof and our battery, but of course the powers that be can't make money from that. They can't generate revenue from our solar panels and our batteries that we want to put on our own building, because that just means that they lose money. So of course they need to start rolling out the solar panels and the batteries themselves so that they can make the money don't you see an issue here The incentives don't align.

Yeah, that's the problem. I take your point, Jeff. And as we've seen the case with reduced benefits with people with solar panels, it was all well and good, but now there are that many solar panels on roofs that it's taking away from energy companies. They're not you know, they can't send out as big a bills as they were. Ye, so solar panels are competing with the big energy companies, so there's no benefit for them having solar panels attached to houses. They would sort of like to have their own solar farms. Look, Chris Bowen's story, he doesn't have. I mean, if I'd love to speak with someone who believes what Chris Bowen espouses, but I don't think his story is holding true. And it was very interesting to hear Bruce Martin, who I respect his views, giving a pretty well objective view on what he thought of the energy debate yesterday. While he wasn't there were no gold stamps for either Chris Bowen or Ted O'Brien, he was more firmly the belief that Ted O'Brien had a better grip of what Australia needs for its future energy policy than Chris Bowen. But time alone will tell whether their messages are getting across to the electorate. We will just have to wait and see eight double two three double double the number to ring if you have a view on that. Graham Energy in the form of wind and solar is a proven disaster, just as the Germans. Addie Patterson, former CEO of Australian Nuclear Science Org, is very clear that nuclear can be built in six to eight years and dramatically reduces energy bills. The CSRO report are claiming nuclear is no good even though there are four hundred and ninety three plants worldwide. Has been discredited as politically motivated. Yeah, I still do not know why we cannot look at it. So many countries are considering nuclear, but it's almost a dirty word when it comes to the opposition. We must at least look at it and rule it out by common sense and doing all the sums, doing all the relevancies and finding out just if there is any benefit. And that the timeframe worries me saying that we won't have nuclear for twenty or thirty years. Even if that were the case, we need energy forever for the future. So in the one hundred years from now, that timeframe to get nuclear up and running might have seemed a pretty smart idea. You know, the best time probably to have built nuclear was ten years ago. The second best time is looking at it today. Read the Port of Darwin. The contract already states we can take it back if there's a perceived threat to Australia. Yeah, well, I think we could say at any time there's a perceived threat. Who do we have to justify it to? Would it be the World Court? Yeah? How are the TV ratings for the footy last night? Haven't found out yet. We're still waiting to find out. And when we know, we'll certainly let you know. High Gram Northern Charity government sold the Port of Darwin. They don't need permission from the federal government. It's a separate identity. I heard this long time ago. It might be worth investigating. Yeah, that is in fact the case. The Northern Charrity did sell the Port of Darwin or I think it's a ninety nine year lease. I didn't know that they sold it outright, but it is a ninety nine year lease. So we will keep on top of that. Both the guvern that and the opposition have expressed their desire to reclaim the Port of Darwin, whether it's by negotiation and they do a deal and pay money across to Landbridge, the organization that owns it, the Chinese company, or they just say you're out. We're in eight double two three double O double is the number two ring five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings and the final fifteen minutes or so of the show Always time to say good morning to Stacy Stacey Lee.

How are you today, hallo Graham, I'm good.

How are you?

Yeah?

Really well, thanks, really well.

Well, the beautiful day in Paradise.

It's almost boring, isn't it.

No, it's not, it's not.

Yeah, I know, there's nothing happening, really boring day.

Yeah, no, Look, it's always I feel a little guilty when we say perfect day when you think of the poor farmers on the land, you know, looking at heaven and all they see is blue sky and no rain in sight. But you know, for the next let it rain, Let it rain and rain.

After Monday, after Monday.

Yeah, let's get this gather round over and done with it. It is absolutely perfect at the moment you couldn't I ask for better?

I know, And you know what, a bit of a rainy easter wouldn't be too bad. A few extra days indoors. I'm planning on a puzzle. I want to get a whole puzzle done.

I can't remember what it's like to sort of be rugging up and that sort of thing.

I know.

I mean, I'm a summer person. I like the warmer weather, but there is something appealing about sort of rugging up and being cozy and looking out and seeing cold and windy weather out.

Yeah, I forgot it. It's like I love it. Yeah, get the puzzle out, get going.

What have you got for us today?

This afternoon we're going to be talking about Adelaide City Council because my understanding is the Court of Disputed Returns has just handed down its decision or its verdict as to what should happen in the Central Ward. Obviously, there's been this issue with the votes at the last election, in particularly relating to one councilor Jingle, and the Court understanding is has said that the entire Central Ward should be vacated and there should be a by election for those four councilors elected to the central ward. So we'll talk about that this afternoon. What does that mean now that there's only well what a year ago of this term, there'll be by election for four councilors and three of them apparently had no involvement.

In any of this.

Yeah, it's always contentious to the council issues. It never travels smoothly.

Always, So we'll talk about that this afternoon.

We'll get all the details for you, will break it all down for you and will tell you what happens from here, and then talking about the federal election campaign, Joe Hildebrand will join me, will digest and dissect rather the first leader's debate and the response from both leaders to all of the tariff stories that have been.

Around this week.

I haven't really heard either respond strongly either way, just saying we need to act in Australia's best interest.

Okay, yeah, and are we.

Well that's right. I think it's hands off at the moment. Let's see what happens, you know, because I mean every morning you wake up you don't quite know what Donald Trump's going to do next. You know, the tariffs are on, then they're frozen, then they're increased for China and you know what will and the stockbucker goes down, the stock marker goes up back down again today.

And I was astounded yesterday when I saw that he'd tweeted out on truth Social or you know, put on truth Social a post saying now's a great time to buy. That was just four hours before he made the announcement. But have you seen the latest vision that's around today. He's in the Oval office talking to a group of people and pointing to some of his millionaire mates, and he said, this guy made four million dollars on the stock exchange, kidding no and bragging about it.

And you would be fair to ask. I wonder if Donald Trump also bought some.

Shares well, I posed yesterday. Is it insider trading?

Well, that's the question, isn't it. I mean, you can get a long jail term for insider trading.

I guess if you're including the world in on it, maybe not, but still it's just what sort of world leader?

Anyway?

Anyway, we'll talk about it.

All this sme afternoon and all his supporters Yes, and I got, you know, the classic response from Donald Trump supporters saying it's not insider trading if he's helping everyone out. O.

I'm manipulating the market helping people, sure.

And that's only for those who can actually afford it. I mean exactly, if you're strugging to pay your power bills and energy bills and fill your supermarket trolley, you're not going to be any position who are.

On social media and savvy enough to buy share. I'm not in the share market apart from what my super does and unknowing to me. To me, I find buying and selling shares a form of gambling.

Well, it is.

There's no question about that. It is gambling. It's inform gambling or uninformed gambling is gambling.

Nonetheless, it's a world I don't know a whole lot about, so I don't dip my toe in.

I'd lose a lot of sleep if I dabbled in, And I think, yeah.

Yep, absolutely, So we'll be dissecting that as well. Foody Friday with Chris Jarmut. We of course have a gather around focused foody Friday.

Oh really, it's not cooking up a football.

Anything that's football shaped today. Hot dogs, hot dog? How do you like your hot dog?

I'm very simple, okay, I haven't not a hot dog for a long time. But just the basic tomato, sauce and a hot dog and that's it.

No mustard, no cheese, no no onion, no no no.

I'd like when I got a bunning so sausage, sausage, sausage, sizzle. But I'm in a hot no, I'm very a man of simple tastes. Okay, just sauce and the sausage and a bun. There you go, and I'm smiling.

There you go.

Simple pleasures. Maybe that should be part of the tourism campaign. Just a bun, a sauce and a hot dog.

So Chris Jammer is cooking up that for us this afternoon. And of course Powells have a great local pirate life beer. Plus they've got a giveaway to announce this week. Oh excellent, a beer giveaway. That's all I'm giving away for now.

You need to say no more. We'll all be listening.

So it's all happening. The Sava Graham good only Stacy, thank you.

That's Stacy Lee coming up after the one o'clock news this afternoon on this Friday, the last day of the working week, the second day of gather on the last day before school holidays have you got any plans, what are you gonna do with the kids? Or probably the last opportunity to get out and enjoy the really good weather. Fred says in my humble opinion, the actions of the Hawthorne player were not appropriate. Ken Hinckley, as the coach and being significantly older, should have displayed more maturity and judgment. He instigated the situation and should have walked away just like his players did. Yep, twenty thousand dollars. Fine they Fred? That was pretty savage, wasn't it? And look at the capital that the AFL has made out of it. I mean, all of a sudden from what would have been a pretty good game Port versus Hawthorn, although ladder positions Hawthorne way up there and Port nowhere would not have drawn a huge amount of attension. But because of the clash and the fixture and the animosity, all of a sudden, it's a big game and it cost Ken Hinckley twenty thousand dollars high graand Bailey Smith should cop twice the penalty of a single flipping the bird as he was flipping two birds. Good on you, thank you for that, Rob gg Rea. The bloom are the fish safe to eat that we catch. What are they doing about it? Look, I cannot tell you. I don't know. We will do our best to find out. But when in Dart, I wouldn't eat fish caught anywhere near any algal blooms. Horrifying story. I don't know if you've seen the vision of for the helicopter crash into New York's Hudson River, six people on board. Evidently the pilot worn that they were out of fuel just before the tragedy that killed all six on board. Here's what New York City Mayor Eric Adams had to say.

And a family visited from Spain, what our preliminary information has at this time. Members of the FDNY NYPD harbor units arrived at the scene in divers from both agencies into the water. At this time, all six victims have been removed from the water and sadly six victims have been pronounced a decease.

Yeah, A horrific story. And that question about that. And when you see the vision, it appears that the rotor blades of the chopper became separated from the chopper itself and it just plunged straight into the Hudson River. Quite horrific indeed still up in the air well that isn't unfortunately, but have you flown with Virgin Austrata in the past five years, Well, if you have, you could be in for a nice little earner, a nice little refund. Virginal Austrata has announced that around sixty one thousand customers are eligible to refunds after being overcharged for itinery changes dating back to April twenty twenty. The overcharges were caused by a coding error in the airline's online booking system, which was only discovered recently during the system testing linked to the roll out of a new product. The airline immediately launched an internal investigation to understand the issue and prevent similar incidents in the future. The a Triple C has been notified and is reviewing the matter. To manage the refund process efficiently, Virgin has enlisted Deloitte Austrata and established a seventy person task force. Now, on average, affected customers will receive a refund of fifty five dollars, though approximately fifteen percent of them will receive over one hundred dollars. The total cost of the airline and estimated three point four million dollars, a very expensive mistake. So there you are. Have you flown virgin in the last five years, you could be in for a refund. Good luck to here. That's a nice thought, isn't it. Actually just a little bonus out of nowhere. Thank you very much. Congratulations to you. Almost time to go. I've got to tell you this story. I really have to tell you any golf fans out there, the US Masters has gone to be the Even if you don't like golf, watching the US Masters is something special. It is just unique. It's picture perfect, superb. But something happened today. If you're a golfer, you know what it means to take relief. If you play a shot on the ball is in a position where it's unplayable or for whatever reason, you can take relief. Well, a Spanish ambita golfer, Jose Luis Belesta, has taken relief a little bit differently. He urinated into Ray's Creek from a ledge on Augusta National's thirteenth hole. Yeah, that's what happened. He was completely unapologetic about his actions. Look, if I had to do it again, I do it again. He said. When you got to go, you just got to go, so, I mean, and there he was. He wasn't sort of playing at the back of the field and away from everyone else, because I mean, let's face it, he was or he is an unknown not well he was, he certainly has known now. Louis Malester, who was playing alongside Scottie Scheffler and Justin Thomas, evidently spread it across the fairway after playing his third shot on the par five amid incredible scenes, he earned an ovation from the galleries who were standing watching him as he relieved himself into the Gulf's most iconic water stretch, about sixty meters short of the thirteenth Green. What an incredible story. I don't know would the cameras show that because everything is so perfectly manicure. There's no advertising on the course. Everything is picture perfect, And I wonder if the camera panned across this idyllic scene and here's this young Spanish golfer urinating into the iconic waters. It makes the mind boggle. Look, I hope you have a great day. I hope you have a great weekend. If you're off to the footy, I hope your team does better than mine did last night. If you're visiting from inter state or overseas, Welcome to our fair city. You will enjoy yourselves and tell your friends. Come back again, but you'll have to book early because it's getting bigger and better every year. That's it for me. You have a wonderful, wonderful weekend. We'll be back to do it all again on Monday. Have a great weekend.

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